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[Romali_rotti]

it's about the bloodshed of innocents but some on here are justifying these acts and war crimes committed by their govt.

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Awwww what a cute nice post... So its all about Pakistanis are angels vs the all evil India. Pathetic how you wont acknowledge the suffering of the Kashmiri Pandits not once...... If they were not tortured, killed and thrown out of their homeland, Indian army wouldn't be in Kashmir now.. Their suffering needs to be heard all around the globe.. I have a friend who is a Christian Arab from Egypt who told me similar sentiments to what the Kashmiri Pandits went through, his entire family was thrown out of their house, all the rights taken away by the muslims and asked to leave the country... It is time to look at this properly, is there something in the Quran that is making muslims make life harder for the non believers ? I am not anti muslim, I am not anti any religion, I have called out hinduism many times in the past for its terrible practices...

 

[BlackShadow]

So blinding and killing kids is justified because of something that someone related to those kids may have done in the past? What kind of psychotic logic is that?

Pakistanis should reserve these crocodile's tears for their army butchering thousands of innocent in their own country.

No one is blinding or killing kids. Terrorists trained and equipped by Pakistani militant groups have to be taken down.

Young guys throwing themselves to the crossfire isn't army's fault.

Let's have no doubts that Kashmir struggles transformed into a religiously motivated Jihadist movement ever since Kashmiri Pandits were murdered, raped and driven out from the valley. None of this will ever be tolerated in India or in any part of the world. If Pakistanis really care so much about Kashmiris, go shut down your Jaish-e-Muhammad training schools in PoK.

 

[topspin]

Awwww what a cute nice post... So its all about Pakistanis are angels vs the all evil India. Pathetic how you wont acknowledge the suffering of the Kashmiri Pandits not once...... If they were not tortured, killed and thrown out of their homeland, Indian army wouldn't be in Kashmir now.. Their suffering needs to be heard all around the globe.. I have a friend who is a Christian Arab from Egypt who told me similar sentiments to what the Kashmiri Pandits went through, his entire family was thrown out of their house, all the rights taken away by the muslims and asked to leave the country... It is time to look at this properly, is there something in the Quran that is making muslims make life harder for the non believers ? I am not anti muslim, I am not anti any religion, I have called out hinduism many times in the past for its terrible practices...

let me make it very clear again I condemn all bloodshed and oppression regardless of race, religion and colour that includes Indians and Hindus.

But you crossed the line, not only did you defend, but gave your support and justified the acts of killings of innocent people. Notice in this line I didn't mention the race, religion or the origin of the oppressors and those oppressed because I condemn the actions regardless of who they are, while you support these war crimes.

 

[Romali_rotti]

let me make it very clear again I condemn all bloodshed and oppression regardless of race, religion and colour that includes Indians and Hindus.

Ok good to know you finally condemn it after I brought the Kashmiri Pandit issue to life in this thread. You had no choice, your earlier post was purely selective, nice try...

But you crossed the line, not only did you defend, but gave your support and justified the acts of killings of innocent people. Notice in this line I didn't mention the race, religion or the origin of the oppressors and those oppressed because I condemn the actions regardless of who they are, while you support these war crimes.

Not really you said: it's about the bloodshed of innocents but some on here are justifying these acts and war crimes committed by their govt.
You are clearly targeting India here but not a peep about the suffering of the Pandits in that post of yours. Now you acting all morale, oh please. You are one of those typical blind Pakistanis that will always say Pakistan is right ...

Bold..

 

[topspin]

Bold..

Stop playing the victim card - I didn't target India whatsoever, I targeted sick minded individuals like yourself who support and justify such grave war crimes and you can't even deny it because you know you've been exposed. Luckily for the greater good of this world you're just a keyboard warrior.

Rather than deflecting by turning this into a Pakistan v India debate you should reflect on your earlier posts and have some shame.

This also goes out to any far right nationalists (including Pakistani ones) who hold the same extremist views as this individual.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Rather than deflecting by turning this into a Pakistan v India debate you should reflect on your earlier posts and have some shame.

I do not need to reflect on my post, I stated what I believe to be true, what you put out is what you will get back, Karma will always find you.........

 

[El Generico]

That was not to draw sympathy, merely to make a point. Debating with someone doesn't necessarily mean you have to agree with everything the other party says. That's not how a debate works.

I never said anything about agreeing,you claimed to not care about what Pakistanis think. So why debate for hours with people whose opinion you don't care about?

 

[El Generico]

Consequences for the actions Muslims have done in Kashmir, killing, raping, throwing out the Kashmiri Pandits. Now their next generation is suffering for the acts of their elders, it is the law of the universe, what goes around will come around...

I stand by what I said. Its barbaric to justify killing people because something their past generations may have done. The logic you are using can be used to justify violence against any group, in fact thats the kind of logic people use to justify genocide. You are pretty much saying that Kashmiri lives are worth less because something that may have happened in the past.

 

[El Generico]

Pakistanis should reserve these crocodile's tears for their army butchering thousands of innocent in their own country.

No one is blinding or killing kids. Terrorists trained and equipped by Pakistani militant groups have to be taken down.

Young guys throwing themselves to the crossfire isn't army's fault.

Let's have no doubts that Kashmir struggles transformed into a religiously motivated Jihadist movement ever since Kashmiri Pandits were murdered, raped and driven out from the valley. None of this will ever be tolerated in India or in any part of the world. If Pakistanis really care so much about Kashmiris, go shut down your Jaish-e-Muhammad training schools in PoK.

I don't care about this Pakistan vs India garbage. If Pakistan is doing something on this scale or even something smaller then thats wrong too. People on both sides need to stop trying to prove their patriotism by cheering on torture and murder.

 

[Hitman]

I never said anything about agreeing,you claimed to not care about what Pakistanis think. So why debate for hours with people whose opinion you don't care about?

You suffer from comprehension issues? Read my post again. I do not have to necessarily agree with the other party during a debate, just like you don't have to agree with me.

 

[El Generico]

You suffer from comprehension issues? Read my post again. I do not have to necessarily agree with the other party during a debate, just like you don't have to agree with me.

Lol One of us has comprehension issues but I don't think its me. This is the post of yours that I initially quoted.

LOL, not like anyone of us want your sympathy, it means nothing to us.

You said that Pakistan's sympathy doesn't mean anything to you and you essentially don't care about what Pakistanis think. So that's why I asked, why spent hours debating with people whose opinion means nothing to you? My point was never about agreeing or disagreeing, my point was simple if you are spending hours debating with someone then you clearly care about their views.

Hopefully I made it clear this time around, I really didn't think what I said was that confusing to begin with.

 

[Hitman]

Lol One of us has comprehension issues but I don't think its me. This is the post of yours that I initially quoted.



You said that Pakistan's sympathy doesn't mean anything to you and you essentially don't care about what Pakistanis think. So that's why I asked, why spent hours debating with people whose opinion means nothing to you? My point was never about agreeing or disagreeing, my point was simple if you are spending hours debating with someone then you clearly care about their views.

Hopefully I made it clear this time around, I really didn't think what I said was that confusing to begin with.

Kindly once again read my post. Let me post it for you -

LOL, not like anyone of us want your sympathy, it means nothing to us.

Where exactly did I mention about not caring what Pakistanis think?

 

[Romali_rotti]

. You are pretty much saying that Kashmiri lives are worth less because something that may have happened in the past.

No I did not say Kashmiri lives are worthless in this thread.. The Universe sees and listens to everything, you do wrong it will send that bad Karma your way on a royal platter, meaning you will get it back much worse than what you or your elders gave... It is the law of the universe, you have to pay your debts back to the society, those innocent Kashmiri Pandits were mercilessly killed, raped and driven away from their land all because they were not muslim, now Karma has returned in the form of Indian army and they will suffer forever.... You cant stop what cannot be stopped, India will never give up their side of Kashmir, it is now their fate..

 

[shaaik]

No I did not say Kashmiri lives are worthless in this thread.. The Universe sees and listens to everything, you do wrong it will send that bad Karma your way on a royal platter, meaning you will get it back much worse than what you or your elders gave... It is the law of the universe, you have to pay your debts back to the society, those innocent Kashmiri Pandits were mercilessly killed, raped and driven away from their land all because they were not muslim, now Karma has returned in the form of Indian army and they will suffer forever.... You cant stop what cannot be stopped, India will never give up their side of Kashmir, it is now their fate..

How many Kashmiris Pandits were raped and killed?? Does anyone have know the official count ??

 

[topspin]

No I did not say Kashmiri lives are worthless in this thread.. The Universe sees and listens to everything, you do wrong it will send that bad Karma your way on a royal platter, meaning you will get it back much worse than what you or your elders gave... It is the law of the universe, you have to pay your debts back to the society, those innocent Kashmiri Pandits were mercilessly killed, raped and driven away from their land all because they were not muslim, now Karma has returned in the form of Indian army and they will suffer forever.... You cant stop what cannot be stopped, India will never give up their side of Kashmir, it is now their fate..

So going by this logic, would you have the same stance say if a group of Indians decided to attack UK and kill Brits as an act of revenge for the bloodshed they caused during the Colonial regime (1858 - 1947)?

Or

Does this Karma only apply to Pakistani and Muslims?

 

[El Generico]

No I did not say Kashmiri lives are worthless in this thread.. The Universe sees and listens to everything, you do wrong it will send that bad Karma your way on a royal platter, meaning you will get it back much worse than what you or your elders gave... It is the law of the universe, you have to pay your debts back to the society, those innocent Kashmiri Pandits were mercilessly killed, raped and driven away from their land all because they were not muslim, now Karma has returned in the form of Indian army and they will suffer forever.... You cant stop what cannot be stopped, India will never give up their side of Kashmir, it is now their fate..

Others have already responded to you,so I won't repeat what they said. But i will repeat this, your thinking is arrogant and inhumane and can be used to justify violence literally against anybody.if you look at the past you would find unsavoury things in every group's history, it does not justify violence against innocent people in the present.

Also be careful trying to pass judgement on people's "fate", times can change pretty quick. No random poster on the internet has the authority to decide the fate of an entire population.

 

[Pakistanian]

No I did not say Kashmiri lives are worthless in this thread.. The Universe sees and listens to everything, you do wrong it will send that bad Karma your way on a royal platter, meaning you will get it back much worse than what you or your elders gave... It is the law of the universe, you have to pay your debts back to the society, those innocent Kashmiri Pandits were mercilessly killed, raped and driven away from their land all because they were not muslim, now Karma has returned in the form of Indian army and they will suffer forever.... You cant stop what cannot be stopped, India will never give up their side of Kashmir, it is now their fate..

Indian soldiers have veen occupying Kashmir for the last 70 years lmao, stop acting like they only came in the 90s. You hate Kashmiris and are only concerned about a community no more than 5% of the population at any given point in the last 2 centuries.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Indian soldiers have veen occupying Kashmir for the last 70 years lmao,.

You do realise that the Indian soldiers who were occupying Kashmir for the last 70 years included the current day Pakistanis ?

 

[Romali_rotti]

So going by this logic, would you have the same stance say if a group of Indians decided to attack UK and kill Brits as an act of revenge for the bloodshed they caused during the Colonial regime (1858 - 1947)?

Or

Does this Karma only apply to Pakistani and Muslims?

Karma comes for everyone, India wont give up their side of Kashmir, and you supposed so called Kashmiri well wishers from Pakistan use them as pawns brain washing them to cause trouble for India, Result = peace is not an option for them..............

 

[Romali_rotti]

Also be careful trying to pass judgement on people's "fate", times can change pretty quick. No random poster on the internet has the authority to decide the fate of an entire population.

You cannot change a damn thing, India holds all the card, they wont let go of Kashmir. Indian army will be there for as long as the end of time now. Pakistan's divine Islamic army unfortunately will keep using Kashmiri's as pawns as Pakistani establishment know they will never get Indian Kashmir so the best they can do is brain wash them into causing trouble for India....... You can keyboard warrior your way ala King _Khan from UK about how one day they would be liberated etc lol however one day we may all see crows flying upside down also....

 

[Romali_rotti]

bout a community no more than 5% of the population at any given point in the last 2 centuries[/B].

Those minority Kashmiris were killed/driven away from their homeland because they were not muslims and now these muslim Kashmiris getting paid back with interest for their crimes against humanity and they are crying foul... Life doesn't work like that child, you have to face consequences for your actions, from generations to generations...

 

[Pakistanian]

You do realise that the Indian soldiers who were occupying Kashmir for the last 70 years included the current day Pakistanis ?

Idk what you're trying to say, are you saying that there's Pakistanis in the Indian army?!

 

[Pakistanian]

Those minority Kashmiris were killed/driven away from their homeland because they were not muslims and now these muslim Kashmiris getting paid back with interest for their crimes against humanity and they are crying foul... Life doesn't work like that child, you have to face consequences for your actions, from generations to generations...

But that's none of your business, why doesn't India send troops to Syria or Afghanistan or other countries to protect minority? Kashmir is a separate country and once it's free from india then the communal conflict will be an internal issue for Kashmiris to deal with, Indians can worry about their own country not another.

 

[Romali_rotti]

But that's none of your business, why doesn't India send troops to Syria or Afghanistan or other countries to protect minority? Kashmir is a separate country and once it's free from india then the communal conflict will be an internal issue for Kashmiris to deal with, Indians can worry about their own country not another.

Once Pakistan was formed, they attacked Kashmir, trying to take over the land which they had no right to to begin with, so don't preach morals here... If you love Kashmiris so much, why don't you ask your government to stop using them as pawns....

Ahh who gives a damn ?? all that will come out of this is a few keyboard warriors typing the war of words, Indian Kashmir will always be India's............

Its a lost case for those Kashmiri muslims, maybe had they known what would happen if they kill off the Pandits prior to doing the genocide, they would have settled for peace and harmony but oh well the past cant be changed and they are paying the dues for their crimes....

Nothing will stop, things will go just the way it is. If it makes you feel better type a few words on here about how things will change as per your wishes, for your own self gratification...................Reality will stay they way it is, till the end of time....

 

[Hitman]

Kashmiris are the biggest loser in the whole mess. Neither Pakistanis nor the rest of us Indian are suffering. It's them who have been living in hell for so many years.

Reality is different from fantasy. India will never give up Kashmir till eternity. And Pakistan can't snatch Kashmir away from India, they have tried multiple times and failed. As for Kashmiri separatist movements, sure they can create trouble but they can't achieve their goal in a million years fighting against the Indian army. Any person with a brain knows that. The next option, international pressure on India. The international community doesn't even bother to speak on the issue. There might be some individual people, but the internal community as a whole doesn't care.

The only good solution for Kashmiris is to stop this struggle and live a normal life. Were there any atrocities in Kashmir till the 80's? No. So do they want such a life, or do they want a life like they have been living since then? The choice is theirs.

 

[BlackShadow]

But that's none of your business, why doesn't India send troops to Syria or Afghanistan or other countries to protect minority? Kashmir is a separate country and once it's free from india then the communal conflict will be an internal issue for Kashmiris to deal with, Indians can worry about their own country not another.

- Kashmir joined India the same way Balochistan joined Pakistan, signing "instrument of accession". If anything, Pakistan did it by force, while Kashmir's king joined India voluntarily.

- If Balochistan is a part of Pakistan, then learn to live with the fact that Kashmir belongs to India.|

The only change in status-quo possible here is India reclaiming the land grabbed by Pakistan. Rest are all khayaali pulaav that your past, present and coming generations will continue cooking.

 

[cricketjoshila]

But that's none of your business, why doesn't India send troops to Syria or Afghanistan or other countries to protect minority? Kashmir is a separate country and once it's free from india then the communal conflict will be an internal issue for Kashmiris to deal with, Indians can worry about their own country not another.

Then how is it Pakistans business?

Afghanistan or syria didnot acede to India. Kashmir did.

We know how minorities were treated in Pakistan and BD and millions of them migrated to India. Certainly we are not going to let that happen in Kashmir.

Pakistanis should worry about their own country and let kashmiris and indians deal with the issue.

 

[MenInG]

Then how is it Pakistans business?

Afghanistan or syria didnot acede to India. Kashmir did.

We know how minorities were treated in Pakistan and BD and millions of them migrated to India. Certainly we are not going to let that happen in Kashmir.

Pakistanis should worry about their own country and let kashmiris and indians deal with the issue.

Thats the problem. You are unable to deal with the Kashmir issue. If killing people everyday is a solution then its everyone's right to get involved.

 

[BlackShadow]

Thats the problem. You are unable to deal with the Kashmir issue. If killing people everyday is a solution then its everyone's right to get involved.

- Militants being killed every day.
- Part of solution is Pakistan shutting down the training camps of these militants and minding it's own business. Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Muhammad chief is regularly seen partying with Pakistani politicians. Why support these groups when you know the mess they create in Indian side of the Kashmir?


Besides, if human right groups in Pakistan really need a reason to cry, look at your Baloch countrymen being butchered in thousands every year by your army. Several UN reports on that, yet for some reason, Pakistanis haven't been able to get their priorities straight.

 

[topspin]

Karma comes for everyone, India wont give up their side of Kashmir, and you supposed so called Kashmiri well wishers from Pakistan use them as pawns brain washing them to cause trouble for India, Result = peace is not an option for them..............

I actually think the Kashmir issue should be left to the UN and India - Pakistan shouldn't be involved.

I'm actually concerned with your extremist far right wing views where you provide support and justify the rape and killing of innocents. You conveniently ignored my question without trying to answer it and you then deflected it on to the Kashmir issue because your "karma" only applies to a certain group of people.

You ought to learn from a hero like Mahatama Gandhi when he said: "an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind".

 

[Romali_rotti]

. You conveniently ignored my question without trying to answer it and you then deflected it on to the Kashmir issue because your "karma" only applies to a certain group of people.

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You need to learn to read properly, I replied to your question in post 339 qoute below:

Karma comes for everyone, ..............

Bold & I am not going to change my stance, Kashmiri muslims are paying their debts back to the universe which they owe as a result of the genocide on the Pandits.... Nothing will change, nothing, all the fake tears in front of UN or the begging in front of other muslim countries wont make any difference, all that will happen is keyboard wars, reality stays the same.....

 

[pakistan cricket fan]

- Kashmir joined India the same way Balochistan joined Pakistan, signing "instrument of accession". If anything, Pakistan did it by force, while Kashmir's king joined India voluntarily.

- If Balochistan is a part of Pakistan, then learn to live with the fact that Kashmir belongs to India.|

The only change in status-quo possible here is India reclaiming the land grabbed by Pakistan. Rest are all khayaali pulaav that your past, present and coming generations will continue cooking.

Kashmir joined India the same way Balochistan joined Pakistan)
I thought some of our people are brainwashed but reading your post you a lot are in higer level brainwashed.

 

[Romali_rotti]

You ought to learn from a hero like Mahatama Gandhi when he said: "an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind".

Awww how convenient huh ? Where was this qoute when the Pandits were killed off ? Sorry you cant just use qoutes or narratives when things are going against you but when things are in your favour it is game over ala minorities either have no rights, live in fear and hardship or wiped out... Every reaction has an opposite reaction, you do bad, bad things will happen to you, and when times get hard after the consequences of your actions, you don't have the right to use the moral tactics as you never had it to begin with....

 

[pakistan cricket fan]

- Militants being killed every day.
- Part of solution is Pakistan shutting down the training camps of these militants and minding it's own business. Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Muhammad chief is regularly seen partying with Pakistani politicians. Why support these groups when you know the mess they create in Indian side of the Kashmir?


Besides, if human right groups in Pakistan really need a reason to cry, look at your Baloch countrymen being butchered in thousands every year by your army. Several UN reports on that, yet for some reason, Pakistanis haven't been able to get their priorities straight.

Wrong again we are finishin or catching RAW terrorist.
Hint Kulbushan Terrorist Jadav

 

[topspin]

You need to learn to read properly, I replied to your question in post 339 qoute below:




Bold & I am not going to change my stance, Kashmiri muslims are paying their debts back to the universe which they owe as a result of the genocide on the Pandits.... Nothing will change, nothing, all the fake tears in front of UN or the begging in front of other muslim countries wont make any difference, all that will happen is keyboard wars, reality stays the same.....

No you've come up with a blanket statement.

I'll ask you again, yes or no - " Do British Civilians deserve the same treatment as the atrocities committed by the colonial regime by the British during their rule of India from 1858 -1947? It's a very simple question.

 

[Romali_rotti]

No you've come up with a blanket statement.

I'll ask you again, yes or no - " Do British Civilians deserve the same treatment as the atrocities committed by the colonial regime by the British during their rule of India from 1858 -1947? It's a very simple question.

The British civilians had to leave India, majority of them were born in India, they would have been crushed to leave their homeland where they established their lives, homes etc in 1947 and go back to Britain, once again Karma struck .. Now to answer your question directly, it is not up to me to decide whether the British citizens in Britain deserve what the previous generation have done, its up to Karma, if Karma says so, then they will in time, so how I feel personally is a deflecting tactic you are using as always...I am not Karma, neither you or me speak on its behalf..

 

[cricketjoshila]

Thats the problem. You are unable to deal with the Kashmir issue. If killing people everyday is a solution then its everyone's right to get involved.

Dealing with terrorism is every country's right. When armed terrorists go around killing people or policemen then they have to be taken care of. That terrorists are active in Pakistan is a widely accepted fact. Such organisations are banned world wide.

Yes there have been innocent collateral damage. Thats the sad part of this. But taken any war instituted by any country againist terrorism and collateral damage has occured.

 

[MenInG]

 

[Napa]

I think IK should worry about how to modernize Pakistan's economy. That is what would lead to the maximum benefit for the Pakistani people. Insulting Modi, throwing Shabaz Sharif into a windowless cell and complaining about Kashmir isn't going to improve the lives of ordinary Pakistanis one iota.

 

[Napa]

The British civilians had to leave India, majority of them were born in India, they would have been crushed to leave their homeland where they established their lives, homes etc in 1947 and go back to Britain, once again Karma struck

I am not sure the British "had" to leave. Ruskin Bond and a few others stayed behind. Most left, but it was their "choice" to leave. I assume if they lost their employment they didn't have many options.