"All my life, I've come across small men occupying big offices" : Imran Khan's response to Modi

[reversehook]

I am loyal to Pakistan which is why I want us to stop wasting our resources in Kashmir. It has not benefited us in anyway. We need to leave India and the people of J&K sort it between themselves. However, that would require diplomacy that is not riddled with emotions and rhetoric. I wonder how much more this war will cost us before we finally realize that we should not be interfering in this.

if there is ever a war, you loyal sir, wiĺl be the first one to run away and post online about how useless the war is, while the rest will be making their way to the front lines...

 

[reversehook]

Shocking to read the extent to which some Pakistanis will stoop to look good in front of Indians.

I can understand having a balanced view but this is beyond me.

sadly there are too many gloaters and online image persona's.... hell with pleasing others, jab tak saansain hain, chahay sahi ho ya ghalat, apnay mulk ka khoob difaa karain gey... sar uthaa ke jeyo...

 

[last_knight]

Hate, na brother I could care less about him or any politicians in Pakistan. I just feel that he shouldnt profess a false bravado of being this ultra dominant male that has earned everything through being morally correct, when he himself could not pass stand up to radicalism in Pakistan. If he is so great a man as compared to all the so called smaller men that he has come across, why does he not focus on strengthening what he can do himself and that is his own economy? There a thousand issues in Pakistan that need to be addressed before he should even think about 'peace talks' with Modi or India, as if this is one epic Hollywood movies and his character is to charm his way through every obstacle that the leaders and politicians of Pakistan had to suffer before.

Be the big man and focus on your country, apna ghar saaf nahi aur doosro per laan taan!

Life is not a buffet where you can chose what you like and can ignore what you don't like. It's a package where you get somethings you like and also somethings that you may not like. All our lives, we have to deal with whatever comes with package, and deal simultaneously. We have to accept IK as a package, some positives and some not positives.

 

[Bewal Express]

Shocking to read the extent to which some Pakistanis will stoop to look good in front of Indians.

I can understand having a balanced view but this is beyond me.

On the other hand, not a single Ind on here or elsewhere dare criticise the rape and murder of Kashmiris.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Planning to be buried in Pakistan or out of Pakistan?

I hardly care.

I would gladly die outside of Pakistan if it meant Pakistanis seeing light instead of cursing the darkness.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Arrogantly putting down every Pakistani with dimwitted knowledge of history and example of amputating legs for suggesting to solve this issue with dialogue and suggesting Pakistan pull their chadi down and bend over for peace with India is probably the dumbest thing I have heard from ex-pat Pakistani who do not want anything to with Pakistan and never want to return to Pakistan.

His solution for peace is to Pakistan to stop supporting people of Kashmir, a region that belong half to Pakistan and other half openly support Pakistan. Laughable.

Your hatred for India has blinded you into doing actually anything viable for your own country.

Who knows?

Maybe you do a lot but just like to hate on India and other Indians out of religious or cultural necessity.

 

[slipcatch]

Your hatred for India has blinded you into doing actually anything viable for your own country.

Who knows?

Maybe you do a lot but just like to hate on India and other Indians out of religious or cultural necessity.

You probably use the word 'hate' as much as a teenager girl would.

No sir, I do not hate Indian, they are always going to be Pakistani neighbors.

Do not confuse my criticism of their army killing of innocents, raping female and keeping Kashmiri oppress with hate for Indians.

Do not confuse my criticism of rise in radicalized extremists hinduism in India and Indian government with hate for Indians.

Before you go on asking me what I think of rise in extremism in Pakistan, I'll use your favorite word to describe, I hate it.

You have no idea what I am capable of doing for Pakistan and what I have done, so lets not assume, my assumption regarding you has been based on what you have said multiple times, " you have no interest in going back to Pakistan and you do not want anything to do with Pakistan".

Dialogue is the only solution to this issue, which you seem to have problem, no country in the world would just walk away the way you want Pakistani government, Pakistani people and Pakistani army to walk away, it isn't realistic and probably only happen in teenage fairy tale movies.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

You probably use the word 'hate' as much as a teenager girl would.

No sir, I do not hate Indian, they are always going to be Pakistani neighbors.

Do not confuse my criticism of their army killing of innocents, raping female and keeping Kashmiri oppress with hate for Indians.

Do not confuse my criticism of rise in radicalized extremists hinduism in India and Indian government with hate for Indians.

Before you go on asking me what I think of rise in extremism in Pakistan, I'll use your favorite word to describe, I hate it.

You have no idea what I am capable of doing for Pakistan and what I have done, so lets not assume, my assumption regarding you has been based on what you have said multiple times, " you have no interest in going back to Pakistan and you do not want anything to do with Pakistan".

Dialogue is the only solution to this issue, which you seem to have problem, no country in the world would just walk away the way you want Pakistani government, Pakistani people and Pakistani army to walk away, it isn't realistic and probably only happen in teenage fairy tale movies.

In all honesty if I use the word "hate" many times, its probabaly people force me to use it because of their disturbing emotions related to every sensitive topic be it religion, economy or political affiliations of the people.

I personally dont care what you think of me or whether I come back to Pakistan.

Dialogue seems a good solution. BETTER than a FAILED war like attitude.

I just worry if it will work though considering it has been tried many times before.

 

[Mamoon]

if there is ever a war, you loyal sir, wiĺl be the first one to run away and post online about how useless the war is, while the rest will be making their way to the front lines...

If there is ever a war, I would probably be working overtime trying to save lives. That is the nature of my job and I have done that in the past when there were terror attacks in Pakistan on almost daily basis. On the other hand, people like you and others who are criticizing me would be doing what they do best - sit in the West and show their patriotism and love for Pakistan over the Internet.

I do not need lectures about what it means to be patriotic and loyal to your country from people who are permanently settled abroad, usually North America and UK, and come up with a thousand excuses for why they cannot return and serve the country.

When it comes to practically, the better standard of living, the free healthcare in Canada, the money and the other perks are more dear to them. However, when it comes to exhibiting cheap, meaningless patriotism, they have social media to show their fake love for Pakistan.

I was born and brought up in Pakistan, I was educated there and worked there as well. I have been abroad for the last 3 years because of my post-grad, but I will return to Pakistan upon completion (next year) and will work in my country and try to use my expertise and knowledge to make things better.

You are proudly sporting a Canadian flag, but if you are not one of those overseas Pakistanis who is settled in Canada permanently and will come up with a million excuses to justify why you cannot return to Pakistan, please accept my apology.

However, I know for a fact that there are other hypocrites on this forum who are criticizing me but perfectly fit into the criteria that I explained. Their patriotism belongs in the garbage.

 

[slipcatch]

If there is ever a war, I would probably be working overtime trying to save lives. That is the nature of my job and I have done that in the past when there were terror attacks in Pakistan on almost daily basis. On the other hand, people like you and others who are criticizing me would be doing what they do best - sit in the West and show their patriotism and love for Pakistan over the Internet.

I do not need lectures about what it means to be patriotic and loyal to your country from people who are permanently settled abroad, usually North America and UK, and come up with a thousand excuses for why they cannot return and serve the country.

When it comes to practically, the better standard of living, the free healthcare in Canada, the money and the other perks are more dear to them. However, when it comes to exhibiting cheap, meaningless patriotism, they have social media to show their fake love for Pakistan.

I was born and brought up in Pakistan, I was educated there and worked there as well. I have been abroad for the last 3 years because of my post-grad, but I will return to Pakistan upon completion (next year) and will work in my country and try to use my expertise and knowledge to make things better.

You are proudly sporting a Canadian flag, but if you are not one of those overseas Pakistanis who is settled in Canada permanently and will come up with a million excuses to justify why you cannot return to Pakistan, please accept my apology.

However, I know for a fact that there are other hypocrites on this forum who are criticizing me but perfectly fit into the criteria that I explained. Their patriotism belongs in the garbage.

I disagree with you on almost every point of view regarding how to make Pakistan better but that highlighted point will be always appreciated from me.

Not many would return.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I disagree with you on almost every point of view regarding how to make Pakistan better but that highlighted point will be always appreciated from me.

Not many would return.

I don't know why Mamoon does either to be honest, imagine living voluntarily in a place you don't like among people you don't connect with. Sounds like an utterly miserable existence, one that I could never envy.

 

[Napa]

Do not confuse my criticism of their army killing of innocents, raping female and keeping Kashmiri oppress with hate for Indians.

Spare us your fake outrage. Whatever the Indian Army does to keep Kashmir is India is no worse that what the Pakistani Army does in Baluchistan or did in Bangladesh in 1971.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

I don't know why Mamoon does either to be honest, imagine living voluntarily in a place you don't like among people you don't connect with. Sounds like an utterly miserable existence, one that I could never envy.

Its because its his home and identity.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Its because its his home and identity.

Home I can concur. Identity...no I don't think he identifies with the vast majority of the population at all, and that is what must be difficult.

 

[slipcatch]

Spare us your fake outrage. Whatever the Indian Army does to keep Kashmir is India is no worse that what the Pakistani Army does in Baluchistan or did in Bangladesh in 1971.

Bangladesh happened even before you were born, so lets stop the fake outrage as if you care even if you know anyone who was involved.

Baluchistan insurgency which is supported by Indian government has died down because there isn't any support within the people of Baluchistan.

Kashmir's struggle is still alive and kicking against the oppressor.

But I understand why you call it fake.

and please do no come back with your bias copy and paste job suggesting people of Baluchistan are suffering worse than Kashmiri.

 

[Napa]

Bangladesh happened even before you were born, so lets stop the fake outrage as if you care even if you know anyone who was involved.

The issue is not whether I know anyone involved, the issue is the behavior. You are outraged at the behavior of the Indian Army, but are okay with worse behavior elsewhere. That makes you a raging hypocrite.

Baluchistan insurgency which is supported by Indian government

More hypocrisy from you, Indians can similarly say the Kashmiri insurgency is supported by the Pakistani government.

and please do no come back with your bias copy and paste job suggesting people of Baluchistan are suffering worse than Kashmiri.

Obviously the source of any information (whether copied from somewhere else or not) isn't important. What is important is whether it is true.

No more replies from me unless I see something sensible.

 

[slipcatch]

The issue is not whether I know anyone involved, the issue is the behavior. You are outraged at the behavior of the Indian Army, but are okay with worse behavior elsewhere. That makes you a raging hypocrite.

When did I say I am okay? please point it out. Thank you

More hypocrisy from you, Indians can similarly say the Kashmiri insurgency is supported by the Pakistani government.

It is, Pakistan has openly admitted that they support Kashmiri struggle against the oppressive forces who brutally kill innocents and rape. were you under the impression that Pakistan isn't? lol, I understand that India has always denied their role in Baluchistan.


Obviously the source of any information (whether copied from somewhere else or not) isn't important. What is important is whether it is true.

It isn't

No more replies from me unless I see something sensible.

Lol at no more reply from me unless I see something sensible as if you have ever copied pasted something sensible regarding Pakistan other than copy pasted what Indian media and politician have spit out to stroke the ego of nationalist Indians.

 

[Vitaly]

He should behave as a PM of a country did not expect such talks from Imran. His twitter will soon look junior Trump twiiter by calling other country/leaders names.

 

[Master Blaster]

Got to understand that no PM in complete control of his office would have said such a thing in such a haste. Have to play to the gallery every now and then to appease the real bosses. People need to stop being too harsh on T-Khan.

 

[Bewal Express]

Got to understand that no PM in complete control of his office would have said such a thing in such a haste. Have to play to the gallery every now and then to appease the real bosses. People need to stop being too harsh on T-Khan.

I suppose your stupidity means that we cant be too harsh on you.

 

[Syed1]

I suppose your stupidity means that we cant be too harsh on you.

Take it easy on the kid... he is suffering from stunted growth

 

[Bewal Express]

Take it easy on the kid... he is suffering from stunted growth

Arent all Nooras?

 

[Mamoon]

I don't know why Mamoon does either to be honest, imagine living voluntarily in a place you don't like among people you don't connect with. Sounds like an utterly miserable existence, one that I could never envy.

For me, your country is like your parents. They might be the most despicable people in the world, but you owe duty to them because you are their son/daughter. Nothing is going to change that fact.

I think Pakistan is a wretched country with a very dark future. In fact, I think it would have been better if it was not created in the first place, but none of that matters anymore. I belong to Pakistan and it is my home and my identity, so I have no choice but to serve it even if I do not want to.

 

[Syed1]

Arent all Nooras?

Think its part of the job description of being a Noora

 

[Napa]

Through Ghazwa-e-Hind war as foretold by the Prophet(saw) that Pak will lead many Muslim countries in war defeating then invading India. The rest off your comment has been answered many times. Of course you won't believe in the Ghazwa-e-Hind prediction.

Amazing that after 1,300+ years later people are still believing and waiting for Ghazwa-e-Hind.

 

[dhonixi]

Yeah we know about Barey log like you who can only spread terrorism in region. First stop terrorism then we can talk about peace. Pakistan is asking Chanda for dams and people here are saying Naya pakistan.lol

 

[dhonixi]

Trump part 2 all over, doing everything on Twitter. He is little bit amateur to be hold such big chair.

 

[MenInG]

Yeah we know about Barey log like you who can only spread terrorism in region. First stop terrorism then we can talk about peace. Pakistan is asking Chanda for dams and people here are saying Naya pakistan.lol

Chanda we are asking of our own people and its payback to our country, what's it to you?

 

[dhonixi]

[MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] Its a good step and i appreciate it. It's just for people like Syed1 who is making fun of Poors of India. Nothing more.

 

[PakLFC]

Amazing that after 1,300+ years later people are still believing and waiting for Ghazwa-e-Hind.

Medina or Rome were not built in a day. The Holy Prophet(saw) did not give a date or time for the Ghazwa to start or finish. Many hadith's have come true already. Amongst other things the terrible condition of Muslim people today was also foretold by the great one.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

For me, your country is like your parents. They might be the most despicable people in the world, but you owe duty to them because you are their son/daughter. Nothing is going to change that fact.

I think Pakistan is a wretched country with a very dark future. In fact, I think it would have been better if it was not created in the first place, but none of that matters anymore. I belong to Pakistan and it is my home and my identity, so I have no choice but to serve it even if I do not want to.

I am going to be charitable and say that by highlighting the dark future and wretchedness of the country, you are hastening it's fall and assimilation into Akhand Bharat. A man needs a vision, and isn't it better to have one like that to give your words some sense of purpose?

 

[InziRules]

I think of myself as patriotic. That said, if Pakistan and Pakistanis stood for everything that I was against, I would not have feelings that [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] has. I do respect him for that, but I think if Pakistan were what Mamoon wants it to be, I'd rather go abroad and stay there.

 

[Pakistanian]

I am going to be charitable and say that by highlighting the dark future and wretchedness of the country, you are hastening it's fall and assimilation into Akhand Bharat. A man needs a vision, and isn't it better to have one like that to give your words some sense of purpose?

i don't think [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] 's a bad guy, he's a just extremely pessimistic by nature lmao

 

[Hitman]

Medina or Rome were not built in a day. The Holy Prophet(saw) did not give a date or time for the Ghazwa to start or finish. Many hadith's have come true already. Amongst other things the terrible condition of Muslim people today was also foretold by the great one.

Would like to know which hadiths have come true till date? Mind you, I'm not poking you or anyone here at all. I'm genuinely interested. Would be really nice if you or anyone else educates me on the matter.

Thanks.

 

[PakLFC]

Would like to know which hadiths have come true till date? Mind you, I'm not poking you or anyone here at all. I'm genuinely interested. Would be really nice if you or anyone else educates me on the matter.

Thanks.

As I said the condition of Muslim people and how they are being killed in one hadith that has come true. That a time will come when Muslim's will be mighty in numbers but so weak that it will seem as if they are being expelled from the world. Today over 2 billions Muslim's yet being killed everywhere. The anti-Christ having one eye has also been foretold. Interesting to see that the one eyed sign is used everywhere now in all forms of entertainment.

 

[axis]

As I said the condition of Muslim people and how they are being killed in one hadith that has come true. That a time will come when Muslim's will be mighty in numbers but so weak that it will seem as if they are being expelled from the world. Today over 2 billions Muslim's yet being killed everywhere. The anti-Christ having one eye has also been foretold. Interesting to see that the one eyed sign is used everywhere now in all forms of entertainment.

I think such hadiths can be proven to come true in any era.. "there will come a time when" .. I am not a strong believer on Hadith reliability though.. when Qur'an is enough, it's enough.

 

[PakLFC]

I think such hadiths can be proven to come true in any era.. "there will come a time when" .. I am not a strong believer on Hadith reliability though.. when Qur'an is enough, it's enough.

Some hadith's are to be questioned. I disagree, the things said by the Prophet(saw) in the seventh century coming true today is no coincidence. To predict that people will be talking on mobile phones or ladies dressed yet undressed in ancient is divine knowledge for sure.

 

[axis]

Some hadith's are to be questioned. I disagree, the things said by the Prophet(saw) in the seventh century coming true today is no coincidence. To predict that people will be talking on mobile phones or ladies dressed yet undressed in ancient is divine knowledge for sure.

Most of Prophet's sayings pointed out in the video are symbolic sayings. They don't mean anything to be related to 21st century.

With enough interpretations we can make anything mean anything we want. Unless Prophet said exactly something which turned true, these sayings should not be attributed to him as predictions.

Anyone can claim "there will be a time when ... " of course in the thousand years later some time will come where something will happen..

Let's not use these tricks to make Prophet something like a future teller. He clearly said he was a normal human with no miracles except the Qur'an.

 

[PakLFC]

Most of Prophet's sayings pointed out in the video are symbolic sayings. They don't mean anything to be related to 21st century.

With enough interpretations we can make anything mean anything we want. Unless Prophet said exactly something which turned true, these sayings should not be attributed to him as predictions.

Anyone can claim "there will be a time when ... " of course in the thousand years later some time will come where something will happen..

Let's not use these tricks to make Prophet something like a future teller. He clearly said he was a normal human with no miracles except the Qur'an.

Of course the sayings apply to today when men are marry men amongst other things predicted. As Hamza says in the video this is a relatively recent phenomena now made common in the world.

As far as I am concerned these predictions are as accurate as can be expected. There is no grey area in a man marrying another man. It comes down to faith, either one believes in it or will continue to question it whatever the explanation given. Indeed. there are many hadith's that are doubtful as well.

People have been predicting things for centuries like Nostradamus said a lot of stuff as well. According to him the world was supposed to end by 2012 or something like that. There was even a website dedicated to him that has now been removed As a Muslim I will not compare the Prophet(saw) to anyone else at all.

Prophet's predictions are not a miracle or anything like that at all. Of course he was as human as anyone else yet had divine wisdom as well. Hazrat Isa(as) and Musa(as) did perform acts that can be seen as miracles if you are in to that kind of thing.

 

[axis]

Of course the sayings apply to today when men are marry men amongst other things predicted. As Hamza says in the video this is a relatively recent phenomena now made common in the world.

As far as I am concerned these predictions are as accurate as can be expected. There is no grey area in a man marrying another man. It comes down to faith, either one believes in it or will continue to question it whatever the explanation given. Indeed. there are many hadith's that are doubtful as well.

People have been predicting things for centuries like Nostradamus said a lot of stuff as well. According to him the world was supposed to end by 2012 or something like that. There was even a website dedicated to him that has now been removed As a Muslim I will not compare the Prophet(saw) to anyone else at all.

Prophet's predictions are not a miracle or anything like that at all. Of course he was as human as anyone else yet had divine wisdom as well. Hazrat Isa(as) and Musa(as) did perform acts that can be seen as miracles if you are in to that kind of thing.

The world coming to an end prediction, if it gave specific time like 2012, had more value, as we can question if it goes wrong.

The supposed sayings of the holy Prophet sbuh, don't have any basis, as he (or more importantly things attributed to him) never gave any definite statement.

I refuse to treat the Prophet as a future teller, and a mystic.. divine wisdom, yes, but that wisdom was only permitted for the purpose of religion, by Allah swt, not for predicting future mobile phones or towers or gay marriages happening in 21st century..

These sayings are rubbish and should belong to the dustbin, in my opinion. For his message, Qur'an is good enough to guide the humanity.

 

[axis]

As for comparing Prophet to anyone else, I understand your point.. but it doesn't mean he was a better future teller than others.. or he was a better cricketer than others..

He was the best human in terms of morals and character, in the religion.. the best Muslim, we can say.. let's just keep it at that.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Most of Prophet's sayings pointed out in the video are symbolic sayings. They don't mean anything to be related to 21st century.

With enough interpretations we can make anything mean anything we want. Unless Prophet said exactly something which turned true, these sayings should not be attributed to him as predictions.

Anyone can claim "there will be a time when ... " of course in the thousand years later some time will come where something will happen..

Let's not use these tricks to make Prophet something like a future teller. He clearly said he was a normal human with no miracles except the Qur'an.

If he told about the future, it was by will of Allah and Allah's guidance and knowledge.

The Prophet was a human.

 

[axis]

If he told about the future, it was by will of Allah and Allah's guidance and knowledge.

The Prophet was a human.

"If he told about the future" .. but it is not known that he did.

Such symbolic sayings can be attributed to mean anything.

Qur'an is clear and enough.. we don't need anything else to create an image of the Prophet.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

"If he told about the future" .. but it is not known that he did.

Such symbolic sayings can be attributed to mean anything.

Qur'an is clear and enough.. we don't need anything else to create an image of the Prophet.

Quran doesnt tell us how to pray.

The Prophet does.

His life has meaning and not everything is described in detail in the Quran.

 

[axis]

Quran doesnt tell us how to pray.

The Prophet does.

His life has meaning and not everything is described in detail in the Quran.

If something is not specified in Qur'an, it probably is not that important.

I think we are digressing from the main thread context, so let's discuss in separate thread if you prefer.

His life has meaning, but not his future telling methods. I have been repeatedly saying that we don't know if he said those things or if he did, what was his intention. Was he deliberately misleading and giving an ambiguous statement or was he directly referring to a future event. Let's use one consistent methodology to evaluate the future telling capabilities.

There is no purpose in the religion of Islam, served by such Prophesies indicating use of mobile phones 1400 years later.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

If something is not specified in Qur'an, it probably is not that important.

I think we are digressing from the main thread context, so let's discuss in separate thread if you prefer.

His life has meaning, but not his future telling methods. I have been repeatedly saying that we don't know if he said those things or if he did, what was his intention. Was he deliberately misleading and giving an ambiguous statement or was he directly referring to a future event. Let's use one consistent methodology to evaluate the future telling capabilities.

There is no purpose in the religion of Islam, served by such Prophesies indicating use of mobile phones 1400 years later.

Or maybe that "something didn't exist 1400 years ago". How is Quran supposed to tell people about television, airplanes, cars and computers when they simply didn't exist 1400 years ago?

Anyhow yes it should be discussed in a separate thread.

 

[shaaik]

Please stick to the topic and do not derail the thread. Any irreverent posts from here on will be deleted.

 

[Sidilicious]

I expected better from Immy. Immy is an educated fellow who should be able to curb is frustration and rise above others. He does not need to go the Trump way.

I am Indian and definitely do not agree with the way Modi did things. But, if Immy is hoping to be taken seriously he should not be doing such stuff and disrespecting the heads of the other nations, or even the past PMs of his nation.

He also needs to understand the game of foreign diplomacy. If he wants talks with India, he needs to take into consideration the election and other internal situation in India before doing so.

All in all, quite poor from Immy, and now makes me wonder if he is truly the leader or just another politician playing to masses and the army.

 

[Napa]

Hate, na brother I could care less about him or any politicians in Pakistan. I just feel that he shouldnt profess a false bravado of being this ultra dominant male that has earned everything through being morally correct, when he himself could not pass stand up to radicalism in Pakistan. If he is so great a man as compared to all the so called smaller men that he has come across, why does he not focus on strengthening what he can do himself and that is his own economy? There a thousand issues in Pakistan that need to be addressed before he should even think about 'peace talks' with Modi or India, as if this is one epic Hollywood movies and his character is to charm his way through every obstacle that the leaders and politicians of Pakistan had to suffer before.

Be the big man and focus on your country, apna ghar saaf nahi aur doosro per laan taan!

Indians do not believe IK has any say on Pakistan's India policy. For this issue the Pakistani Army has all the power. The Army needs India as an external enemy to justify its domination of Pakistani civilian matters.

Talking to IK would be a useless drama that would distract from the real issue, so the Indian government rightly said no.

You are right, IK should try to improve the economy rather than insulting other leaders.

 

[Napa]

Medina or Rome were not built in a day. The Holy Prophet(saw) did not give a date or time for the Ghazwa to start or finish. Many hadith's have come true already. Amongst other things the terrible condition of Muslim people today was also foretold by the great one.

If your countrymen thought like you, would it not be logical for India to attack and destroy Pakistan to prevent Ghazwa from happening? Everybody has a right to self-defense.

 

[PakLFC]

If your countrymen thought like you, would it not be logical for India to attack and destroy Pakistan to prevent Ghazwa from happening? Everybody has a right to self-defense.

You are missing the point of a divine prediction here. India can attack Pak to avoid the Ghazwa-e-Hind then see how we respond.

 

[Napa]

You are missing the point of a divine prediction here. India can attack Pak to avoid the Ghazwa-e-Hind then see how we respond.

Obviously Indians do not believe in a "divine prediction" that Pakistan and other Muslim nations are going to conquer India. However, if Pakistanis like you keep keep believing this, then there will be war between the nations forever.

 

[slipcatch]

Indians do not believe IK has any say on Pakistan's India policy. For this issue the Pakistani Army has all the power. The Army needs India as an external enemy to justify its domination of Pakistani civilian matters.

Talking to IK would be a useless drama that would distract from the real issue, so the Indian government rightly said no.

You are right, IK should try to improve the economy rather than insulting other leaders.

Modi and Indian army needs Pakistan and Muslims as an external and internal enemy to justify their killing of Kashmiri, raping of female and to win election.

Insulting a radicalized extremists PM and working on economy can be done simultaneously.

 

[PakLFC]

Obviously Indians do not believe in a "divine prediction" that Pakistan and other Muslim nations are going to conquer India. However, if Pakistanis like you keep keep believing this, then there will be war between the nations forever.

Of course there is gonna be a final war but I won't be the reason like you are suggesting))! This is what the Ghazwa-e-Hind prophecy predicts!! War is gonna happen whether you or I like it or not.

 

[Napa]

Of course there is gonna be a final war but I won't be the reason like you are suggesting))! This is what the Ghazwa-e-Hind prophecy predicts!! War is gonna happen whether you or I like it or not.

Of course your sort of thinking which believes in "divine predictions" guarantees that there will be war. And you may find the idea of war funny, but believe me you won't find it funny if you actually end up fighting in one.

 

[Thomaskutty]

A week after Pak requests India for peace talks, Imran's cabinet minister sits and enjoys a chai with jihadi supremo Hafiz Saeed

NDTV: A minister in Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan's cabinet was photographed at an event with 26/11 mastermind Hafiz Saeed in Islamabad on Sunday, a day after Pakistan assured the United Nations General Assembly that it was doing all it can to act against terrorism.

The image showed Noor-Ul-Haq Qadri, the Minister for Religious Affairs and Interfaith Harmony in the Pakistan government, seated near Hafiz Saeed as he addressed an All Parties Conference organised by the Difa-e-Pakistan Council. Significantly, a banner in the background indicated that the conference was in "defence of Pakistan", and mentioned "Kashmir" as well as "threats from India".

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/pak...cabinet-shares-stage-with-hafiz-saeed-1925074

 

[Pakistanian]

I expected better from Immy. Immy is an educated fellow who should be able to curb is frustration and rise above others. He does not need to go the Trump way.

I am Indian and definitely do not agree with the way Modi did things. But, if Immy is hoping to be taken seriously he should not be doing such stuff and disrespecting the heads of the other nations, or even the past PMs of his nation.

He also needs to understand the game of foreign diplomacy. If he wants talks with India, he needs to take into consideration the election and other internal situation in India before doing so.

All in all, quite poor from Immy, and now makes me wonder if he is truly the leader or just another politician playing to masses and the army.

This was a very respectful and clever rebuttal to the Indian MEA dissing him, not Trump-like at all.

 

[PakLFC]

Of course your sort of thinking which believes in "divine predictions" guarantees that there will be war. And you may find the idea of war funny, but believe me you won't find it funny if you actually end up fighting in one.

You fail to understand the point! I am laughing at you for holding me responsible for the coming war)) I fully acknowledge the tragedy and suffering of innocent people during any conflict that you need not tell me about. Pak will never start a war, it is for India to decide if it wants to or not. If you are such a humanitarian then spare a thought for all the innocents murdered, raped, beaten and humiliated by your army in IoK. It is on video so you can't even deny the cruelty of your so called army.

 

[Napa]

You fail to understand the point! I am laughing at you for holding me responsible for the coming war)) I fully acknowledge the tragedy and suffering of innocent people during any conflict that you need not tell me about. Pak will never start a war, it is for India to decide if it wants to or not. If you are such a humanitarian then spare a thought for all the innocents murdered, raped, beaten and humiliated by your army in IoK. It is on video so you can't even deny the cruelty of your so called army.

Pretty neat trick, this attempt to be a warmonger while claiming to be peaceful.

So on one hand you fantasize that the conquest of India by Pakistan is inevitable, and on the other hand you claim that Pakistan will never start a war.

Instead of fantasizing about conquering India, you should try to do some good for your country which is now begging the IMF for its 16th bailout. Posting to internet forums about how Ghazwa is predestined, only makes you look delusional, while your country sinks deeper into a hole. Perhaps you should search for prophecies about how modern industries will develop in Pakistan.

 

[Hitman]

A week after Pak requests India for peace talks, Imran's cabinet minister sits and enjoys a chai with jihadi supremo Hafiz Saeed



https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/pak...cabinet-shares-stage-with-hafiz-saeed-1925074

All I can do is laugh. I wonder whether this too will be called propaganda of the Indian media. And Pakistan wants to have peace talks .....

 

[PakLFC]

Pretty neat trick, this attempt to be a warmonger while claiming to be peaceful.

So on one hand you fantasize that the conquest of India by Pakistan is inevitable, and on the other hand you claim that Pakistan will never start a war.

Instead of fantasizing about conquering India, you should try to do some good for your country which is now begging the IMF for its 16th bailout. Posting to internet forums about how Ghazwa is predestined, only makes you look delusional, while your country sinks deeper into a hole. Perhaps you should search for prophecies about how modern industries will develop in Pakistan.

Ahh so now your real anger comes out when I ask you to condemn Indian atrocities in IoK that are on many video's which you won't do! Instead like a true hypocrite you call me a war monger when I mention Ghazwa-e-Hind but your terrorist soldiers are hero's to you. Yes, Pakistan will never start a war rather India will. Where did I say that Pak will start the Ghazwa-e-Hind war, ehh? What my Prophet(saw) said is a belief shared by hundred's of million's of my coreligionists so deal with it! If it doesn't bother you then why are you so terrified?? The Pak economic situation has nothing to do with Ghazwa as for begging you people first go and build toilets in India before lecturing us, okay? It would also help if you'd stop killing people for eating beef as well amongst many other things. So you have no beggars in India?? Pak is fine, things are improving and we have industries as well. What India should do is stop blaming Pak for it's starving soldiers being killed by Kashmiris. Tell your poor about your industrialist instead of a Pakistan like me who doesn't give a damn about them.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Seriously there are people except lal topi who believe in Ghazwe Hind? Lol

Crazy lunatics who hate people who don't follow their faith.

 

[BreadPakoda]

If the Indian army is annihilating the Ghazwe Hind dreamers in the valley, then I am cool with every single atrocity being done. Good job, you have my support.

 

[Akki malhotra]

On the other hand, not a single Ind on here or elsewhere dare criticise the rape and murder of Kashmiris.

we criticized 1000 times about kashmiri pundits who got raped,tortured and still living as refugee in their own country.Other then religion we find 0 reason why kashmiri dnt want to settle in secular country.so kashmir is not going anywhere that is untill 125 crore people get killed first

 

[Bewal Express]

we criticized 1000 times about kashmiri pundits who got raped,tortured and still living as refugee in their own country.Other then religion we find 0 reason why kashmiri dnt want to settle in secular country.so kashmir is not going anywhere that is untill 125 crore people get killed first

So criticise the murder of Hindus( which i also do) but are happy for the muslims to be killed and raped then you talk about secularism.

 

[Akki malhotra]

So criticise the murder of Hindus( which i also do) but are happy for the muslims to be killed and raped then you talk about secularism.

That's what indians have been talking about mate.I Hope you got the point.We need to talk abt everything.

 

[Romali_rotti]

If you are such a humanitarian then spare a thought for all the innocents murdered, raped, beaten and humiliated by your army in IoK.

Yes spare a thought for the Kashmiri Pandits. If they weren't driven out by the peaceful Muslim majority, Indian army most likely wouldn't have been there now. Like it says in our holy book the Gita wayyyy before Quran came; if you are not willing to suffer the consequences for your actions, DONT DO IT!

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

Yes spare a thought for the Kashmiri Pandits. If they weren't driven out by the peaceful Muslim majority, Indian army most likely wouldn't have been there now. Like it says in our holy book the Gita wayyyy before Quran came; if you are not willing to suffer the consequences for your actions, DONT DO IT!

Kashmiri Pandits misery is in the past. No one can change it, even if you convince us.

Are you trying to avenge them by killing and oppressing the Kashmiri Muslims till they're history?

The torture on Kashmir can be ended right now and you know it.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Kashmiri Pandits misery is in the past. No one can change it, even if you convince us.

Are you trying to avenge them by killing and oppressing the Kashmiri Muslims till they're history?

The torture on Kashmir can be ended right now and you know it.

Every reaction has an opposite reaction, Karma doesn't discriminate my friend....

 

[Hitman]

 

[Vegitto1]

Lol - No sympathies for any indian scums who justify the killings of Kashmiris, even if they are pandits.

 

[Hitman]

Lol - No sympathies for any indian scums who justify the killings of Kashmiris, even if they are pandits.

LOL, not like anyone of us want your sympathy, it means nothing to us.

 

[PakLFC]

Yes spare a thought for the Kashmiri Pandits. If they weren't driven out by the peaceful Muslim majority, Indian army most likely wouldn't have been there now. Like it says in our holy book the Gita wayyyy before Quran came; if you are not willing to suffer the consequences for your actions, DONT DO IT!

I do believe that the pundits should be allowed home as well. Indian army is there killing innocent people and tying them to jeeps in case it missed you. If the pundits want to make a difference then return to the valley and fight for what they believe in. So what if the Bhagvad Gita came before the Qur'an? That does not prove a thing at all. It is your army that is suffering the consequences as much as the oppressed people of the valley are. Blaming Pak won't get you anywhere. Understand clearly that the Kashmiris are never gonna accept Indian slavery.

 

[PakLFC]

If the Indian army is annihilating the Ghazwe Hind dreamers in the valley, then I am cool with every single atrocity being done. Good job, you have my support.

In that case I am hundred times more happy seeing your soldiers being put in their place then taken home in coffins. Kashmiris are not fighting for Ghazwa-e-Hind at all, they have never said that. They are fighting for Independence from India. I have absolutely no sympathy for your soldiers at all.

 

[El Generico]

LOL, not like anyone of us want your sympathy, it means nothing to us.

Then why post emotional "heart wrenching" videos on this thread? If Pakistan's opinion dosen't matter to you then why spend hours debating on a Pakistani forum lol?

 

[El Generico]

Every reaction has an opposite reaction, Karma doesn't discriminate my friend....

So blinding and killing kids is justified because of something that someone related to those kids may have done in the past? What kind of psychotic logic is that?

 

[Hitman]

Then why post emotional "heart wrenching" videos on this thread? If Pakistan's opinion dosen't matter to you then why spend hours debating on a Pakistani forum lol?

That was not to draw sympathy, merely to make a point. Debating with someone doesn't necessarily mean you have to agree with everything the other party says. That's not how a debate works.

 

[Hitman]

So blinding and killing kids is justified because of something that someone related to those kids may have done in the past? What kind of psychotic logic is that?

Have you ever wondered how those kids get hurt in the first place? Does the army invade their home and shoot them with pallet guns? Could it be that they join the adults in creating havoc and menace for the army, and then the army is compelled to use measures to curb the menace?

 

[Romali_rotti]

So blinding and killing kids is justified because of something that someone related to those kids may have done in the past? What kind of psychotic logic is that?

Consequences for the actions Muslims have done in Kashmir, killing, raping, throwing out the Kashmiri Pandits. Now their next generation is suffering for the acts of their elders, it is the law of the universe, what goes around will come around...

 

[topspin]

Some disturbing posts on here from some far right nationalists it seems. This isn't about Pakistan v India, it's about the bloodshed of innocents but some on here are justifying these acts and war crimes committed by their govt.

Personally it doesn't matter what religion, race or country the person comes, bloodshed of innocents has to be condemned. if that is a bitter pill to swallow because you feel your patriotism will be called into question then best to sit down and shut up rather than behaving like some militant who is merely a keyboard warrior.