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I am comparing the best test match all-time Indo-Pak xi to the all time best test teams of West Indies and Australia .Trying to analyze whether it may be the best test xi of all-time.

India-Pakistan all-time xi

Gavaskar
Tendulkar
Dravid
Kohli
Miandad
Kapil Dev
Imran Khan(C)
Moin Khan(W)
Wasim Akram
Waqar Younus
Bedi


Australian all-time xi

Trumper
Hayden
Bradman
Ponting
Greg Chappell
Miller
Gilchrist
Warne
Lindwall
Lillee
Mcgrath


West Indies all time xi

Greenidge
Hunte
Viv Richards
George Headley
Brian Lara
Gary Sobers
Jeff Dujon
Malcolm Marshall
Andy Roberts
Curtly Ambrose
Michael Holding


Overall not more than a margin of a whisker separates the India-Pakistan xi from all-time West Indies and Australian test teams.On a neutral surface or a genuine cricket wicket a joint all-time Indo-Pak XI may beat an -all time Australian or West Indies team.It has a more varied bowling attack and greater batting depth .It does however not posess as many match-winners amongst batsmen as Australia or West Indies or as mesmerizing pace as West Indies.Possibly on fast Australian ,South African or Caribbean track the Indo-pak xi may take a beating.Still on a seaming English wicket or on a flat tack anywhere in the world Indo-Pakistan team would have an edge.
 
An all time XI means the best 11 players to come.out of India and Pakistan irrespective of the team balance or the all time best playing XI?

putting Sachin to open in tests is a joke if its the second option which you are going for.. Also however bad Dhoni might have been in tests putting moon Khan over him makes your list lose all credibility.

Gavaskar
Sehwag
David
Tendulkar
Kohli
Dhoni/wasim bari/maybe some other oldie keeping stocks are poor in tests for India and Pakistan
IK
Kapil/bedi (depends on pitch)
Wasim
Waqar
Ashwin

I would go with this team.. Miandad as great as he was the way kohli is going will past him by a wide margin so he misses out.
 
Bhaijaan’s Greatest Combined India-Pakistan Test XI:-

Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar (capt)
Kohli
Pant (wk)
Dev
Imran
Kumble
Akhtar
Bedi


This team will beat any country’s best XI.
 
Gavaskar
Dravid
Tendulkar
Kohli
Dhoni
Imran
Dev
Wasim
Ashwin
Kumble
Waqar
Sehwag can be devastating but he can be Vulnerable as well,
Dravid can do the opening job, Tendulkar has a very good technique plus my team has solid six bowling option also upto 10 no can bat all six are match winner with ball.
 
Gavaskar
Hanif

Dravid

SRT
Kohli
Miandad

Imran Khan(C)
Bari(WK)

Wasim Akram
Waqar Younus
Shah

This XI.

You can drop Miandad or VK for extra bowler.
 
Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar
Kohli
Dhoni(wkt)
Imran(c)
Kapil
Kumble/Saqlain
Wasim
Waqar
 
big_gamer007 said:
No Wasim or waqar? Shoaib over them? Lol
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Why do you need Wasim or Waqar when you already have Imran and Kapil?

Akhtar is needed for his extra pace. A unique quality no other Asian bowler had.

I dont know what made you lol unless you think an ATG team needs 7-8 bowlers only.
 
All of you are missing out on an important point .Would the joint India-Pakistan xi beat every other all-time world xi?This was the important question readers.
 
Bubby said:
Gavaskar
Dravid
Tendulkar
Kohli
Dhoni
Imran
Dev
Wasim
Ashwin
Kumble
Waqar
Sehwag can be devastating but he can be Vulnerable as well,
Dravid can do the opening job, Tendulkar has a very good technique plus my team has solid six bowling option also upto 10 no can bat all six are match winner with ball.
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Would it beat an all-time Australian or West Indies xi?
 
Gavaskar
Dravid
Kohli
SRT
Miandad
Dhoni
Imran Khan (c)
Dev (Qadir if 2spinner pitch)
Wasim Akram
Ashwin
Waqar Younis

Definitely beats other nations.
Batting with likes of Akram and Ashwin at 9/10 is quote something and as for bowling

IK
Wasim
Younis
Dev

The above 4 pacers on any pitch is quite something
 
Harsh Thakor said:
I am comparing the best test match all-time Indo-Pak xi to the all time best test teams of West Indies and Australia .Trying to analyze whether it may be the best test xi of all-time.

India-Pakistan all-time xi

Gavaskar
Tendulkar
Dravid
Kohli
Miandad
Kapil Dev
Imran Khan(C)
Moin Khan(W)
Wasim Akram
Waqar Younus
Bedi


Australian all-time xi

Trumper
Hayden
Bradman
Ponting
Greg Chappell
Miller
Gilchrist
Warne
Lindwall
Lillee
Mcgrath


West Indies all time xi

Greenidge
Hunte
Viv Richards
George Headley
Brian Lara
Gary Sobers
Jeff Dujon
Malcolm Marshall
Andy Roberts
Curtly Ambrose
Michael Holding


Overall not more than a margin of a whisker separates the India-Pakistan xi from all-time West Indies and Australian test teams.On a neutral surface or a genuine cricket wicket a joint all-time Indo-Pak XI may beat an -all time Australian or West Indies team.It has a more varied bowling attack and greater batting depth .It does however not posess as many match-winners amongst batsmen as Australia or West Indies or as mesmerizing pace as West Indies.Possibly on fast Australian ,South African or Caribbean track the Indo-pak xi may take a beating.Still on a seaming English wicket or on a flat tack anywhere in the world Indo-Pakistan team would have an edge.
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Younis Khan in for Dravid, the former was purely the better test batsman who could get the big runs when it mattered most. Asia's greatest number three.

I can not disagree so much with the rest but then you get to Bedi....seriously? Saqlain, Qadir, Ajmal and Kumble were all superior spinners, in fact, there is not even a comparison to be had. I would personally have either Kumble or Ajmal.
 
barah_admi said:
Younis Khan in for Dravid, the former was purely the better test batsman who could get the big runs when it mattered most. Asia's greatest number three.

I can not disagree so much with the rest but then you get to Bedi....seriously? Saqlain, Qadir, Ajmal and Kumble were all superior spinners, in fact, there is not even a comparison to be had. I would personally have either Kumble or Ajmal.
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Younis over Dravid lol seriously And to say he is the Asia's greatest no 3 lol seriously
 
Sunny
Sehwag (Did have weakness, but no one more destructive than him in the history of the game)
Kohli
Sachin
Dravid
Miandad
Dhoni (wk/captain)
Imran
Waqar
Wasim
Bedi/Saqlain
 
barah_admi said:
Younis Khan in for Dravid, the former was purely the better test batsman who could get the big runs when it mattered most. Asia's greatest number three.

I can not disagree so much with the rest but then you get to Bedi....seriously? Saqlain, Qadir, Ajmal and Kumble were all superior spinners, in fact, there is not even a comparison to be had. I would personally have either Kumble or Ajmal.
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:)) Dravid has the highest average of all Asian batsman outside Asia. He was a top tier ATG, Younis isn't even an ATG, he is just a Pakistani great.
 
Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar
Kohli (c)
Imran
Dhoni (wk)
Jadeja
Wasim
Waqar
Bumrah

Quite possibly the best team of all time. With no Pakistani batsman in the ranks, this team will not struggle on bouncy pitches. The bowling attack of course is incredible. Wasim and Bumrah to open the bowling with Waqar and Imran utilising the old ball.

I went with Jadeja as the sole spinner - his accuracy is fantastic and he is a very decent batsman. He pips Ashwin because of his vastly superior fielding. However, on rank turners, Ashwin can come in for Waqar.

Kohli as captain because his record is phenomenal. He is fearless, aggressive and does not play for draws. This lineup will not lose a single series in Asian conditions and compete extremely well overseas.
 
Sehwag
Gavaskar
Dravid
Tendulkar
Kohli
Dhoni Wk and Captain
Imran
Kapil
Wasim
Waqar
Kumble/Chandra
 
Hanif Mohammad
Gavaskar
Dravid
Tendulkar
Kohli
Dhoni(WK)
Imran(C)
Kapil
Wasim
Waqar
Ajmal

Ajmal was a superb spinner and arguably the greatest after Murali so I would have him as my specialist spinner as his variations allowed him to perform in any conditions.
Wasim, Waqar and Imran bowling in tandem would be more than any batting side could handle and Kapil could be thrown in for some spells when they need a rest.
 
as-95 said:
Hanif Mohammad
Gavaskar
Dravid
Tendulkar
Kohli
Dhoni(WK)
Imran(C)
Kapil
Wasim
Waqar
Ajmal

Ajmal was a superb spinner and arguably the greatest after Murali so I would have him as my specialist spinner as his variations allowed him to perform in any conditions.
Wasim, Waqar and Imran bowling in tandem would be more than any batting side could handle and Kapil could be thrown in for some spells when they need a rest.
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Sorry no chucker allowed
 
Bubby said:
Sorry no chucker allowed
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Ajmal or Murali? Both were cleared for large portions of their career and ended up amongst the greatest spinners of all time so their legacy cannot be taken away by people on the internet whose views carry little significance :)))
 
as-95 said:
Ajmal or Murali? Both were cleared for large portions of their career and ended up amongst the greatest spinners of all time so their legacy cannot be taken away by people on the internet whose views carry little significance :)))
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Listen pal for all his legacy he was banned by icc for illegal action in case you don't know, also he withdraw his name from 2015 wc as he was unable to rectify his action, and what's up putting emoji's by that logic even ur view is insignificant.
 
Beside this thread is about indo pak 11 not indo pak sl 11,the thing is murli wasn't banned Ajmal was he tried to rectify but wasn't able to do that so that ends the discussion
 
My eleven would be -

1. Gavaskar
2. Tendulkar
3. Y Khan
4. Kohli
5. Yousuf
6. Dhoni wk (not the best keeper but the best bat)
7. I Khan c
8. Akram
9. Akhtar
10. Younis
11. Kumble

That's about as good a team as one can have..

For me, the two Ws, Tendulkar, both khan's and Gavaskar are a lock. The others may be debated.
 
Gavaskar
Dravid(sehwag had some weaknesses)
Miandad
Sachin
Kohli
Dhoni(lol at Moin khan)
Imran
Kapil(4th seamer, best option)
Wasim
Kumble/chandra/bedi. (lol at ajmal)
Waqar.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Why do you need Wasim or Waqar when you already have Imran and Kapil?

Akhtar is needed for his extra pace. A unique quality no other Asian bowler had.

I dont know what made you lol unless you think an ATG team needs 7-8 bowlers only.
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Wasim is best left armer the game has ever seen and bringgs a new dimension to the bowling attack.

Waqar was better than Shoaib he was little slower but way more devastating at his peak. He was ranked 1 for 6 years. Shoaib doesn't bring anything additional peak waqar brought the same thing but only slightly slower.

No one who has seen the three of them play will chose Shoaib over either of them
 
1. Gavaskar
2. Sehwag/Anwar
3. Dravid
4. Tendulkar
5. Miandad
6. Imran
7. Dhoni (wk)
8. Kapil/Mankad
9. Wasim
10. Kumble
11. Waqar

Both Anwar and Sehwag are at par. Anwar has advantage of being Lefthander , Sehwag was more attacking.

While Kapil is superior A/R. Mankad gives variety to bowling with his left arm spin. Also being compliment opener makes good batsman against second new ball. For most conditions i'll go with Kapil , but on turning tracks, Mankad could be better option.

Ashwin/Yasir Shah might replace Kumble in future. But not as of now.

Kohli might be a future contender for Tendulkar/Miandad's slot.
 
Gavaskar
Tendulkar
Dravid
Kohli
Miandad
Kapil
Pant
Imran (C)
Akram
Bumrah
Murali
 
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Gavaskar
Tendulkar
Dravid
Kohli
Laxman
Imran
Dhoni
Akram
Saqlain (Mushtaq outside Asia)
Waqar
Shoaib (Bumrah outside Asia)
 
big_gamer007 said:
Wasim is best left armer the game has ever seen and bringgs a new dimension to the bowling attack.

Waqar was better than Shoaib he was little slower but way more devastating at his peak. He was ranked 1 for 6 years. Shoaib doesn't bring anything additional peak waqar brought the same thing but only slightly slower.

No one who has seen the three of them play will chose Shoaib over either of them
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Waqar is a legend of the game but so are Imran and Kapil who are both world class players and can play as batsmen.

Wasim is indeed the greatest left arm pacer but that can't be your Bhaijaan's criteria to select teams.

As great as Wiqi was in his prime, no one brings the storm quite like the Rawalpindi Express. Shoaib Akhtar is one bad man! A must have.
 
When you're up against the greatest ever ROW XI you want some one like Shoaib Akhtar to rattle some top batsmen with a bouncers barrage for either of Kapil or Imran to pounce on later.
 
Rishabh Pant is the finest batting wicket keeper talent ever to come from India/Pakistan. Talking about test cricket of course.
 
barah_admi said:
Younis Khan in for Dravid, the former was purely the better test batsman who could get the big runs when it mattered most. Asia's greatest number three.

I can not disagree so much with the rest but then you get to Bedi....seriously? Saqlain, Qadir, Ajmal and Kumble were all superior spinners, in fact, there is not even a comparison to be had. I would personally have either Kumble or Ajmal.
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Hilarious joke. Tell us more.
 
Mamoon said:
Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar
Kohli (c)
Imran
Dhoni (wk)
Jadeja
Wasim
Waqar
Bumrah

Quite possibly the best team of all time. With no Pakistani batsman in the ranks, this team will not struggle on bouncy pitches. The bowling attack of course is incredible. Wasim and Bumrah to open the bowling with Waqar and Imran utilising the old ball.

I went with Jadeja as the sole spinner - his accuracy is fantastic and he is a very decent batsman. He pips Ashwin because of his vastly superior fielding. However, on rank turners, Ashwin can come in for Waqar.

Kohli as captain because his record is phenomenal. He is fearless, aggressive and does not play for draws. This lineup will not lose a single series in Asian conditions and compete extremely well overseas.
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Agree with this post entirely though i would like IK as skipper .
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] though Chandra was a complete liability as a fielder & batsmen , his bowling was difficult to pick by many . I wonder if he should be ahead of Jadeja who is a absolute panther on field .
 
ManFan said:
Gavaskar
Tendulkar
Dravid
Kohli
Laxman
Imran
Dhoni
Akram
Saqlain (Mushtaq outside Asia)
Waqar
Shoaib (Bumrah outside Asia)
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Too early to put Bumrah in all time Ind-Pak XI. Let him get 100 wickets first.
 
Seems hardly fair to put up two countries all time xi (one of which has a larger pool than all other cricketing nations combined) against only one country. How about making it a real contest and pitting them against Australia/West Indies combined all time xi? That team will have the greatest test batsman, fast bowler, all-rounder and spinner of all time.
 
Hitman said:
Inzamam, the wicket keeper?
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I’d have Dhoni as WK but then i’d have to take out either inzi or yousuf, so I’m left with no option but to make inzi WK. He was great in the slips, so I’d expect him to be better with the gloves.
 
ILcricket said:
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] though Chandra was a complete liability as a fielder & batsmen , his bowling was difficult to pick by many . I wonder if he should be ahead of Jadeja who is a absolute panther on field .
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The reason why I picked Jadeja is that even as a pure spinner, he has been brilliant in Tests. When you factor in his batting as well as his fielding, it is very hard to pick someone else ahead of him.

Similarly, Ashwin as a second spinner because he too is a very competent batsman (although poor in the field). The Jadeja and Ashwin combination is a massive luxury for India. They would have had a lot of value even if they were tail-enders, but their batting ability makes them very illustrious players.
 
Mamoon said:
Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar
Kohli (c)
Imran
Dhoni (wk)
Jadeja
Wasim
Waqar
Bumrah
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:))) :))) :)))

Okay now. Bumrah who doesn't even have 100 Test wickets, or hasn't even played 40 Tests is now an ATG?

Forget about that. Imran, arguably the greatest captain of all time and made his team a competitive force in an era full of ATG players in Eng/Aus/WI is now behind Kohli?

Disagreements in politics should not come to cricket.


YousafTheBeast said:
Gavaskar
Sehwag
Kohli
Miandad
Yousuf
Inzamam (wk)
Khan (c)
Akram
Kumble
Younis
Akhtar
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Lol Inzi as keeper? :))) :))) :)))

WHAT?
 
Hawkeye said:
Forget about that. Imran, arguably the greatest captain of all time and made his team a competitive force in an era full of ATG players in Eng/Aus/WI is now behind Kohli?

Disagreements in politics should not come to cricket.
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As a captain, Kohli's record far outshines Imran's. Of course that's only one of the ways to judge a captain though.
 
Sachin136 said:
As a captain, Kohli's record far outshines Imran's. Of course that's only one of the ways to judge a captain though.
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Misbah ul Haq is our most successful Test captain.

Sangakkara has a far better record than Tendulkar.

Younis Khan is the highest Test scorer for Pak.

Have some sense.

Cannot compare someone like Imran with Kohli when it comes to captaincy and leadership.
 
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YousafTheBeast said:
I’d have Dhoni as WK but then i’d have to take out either inzi or yousuf, so I’m left with no option but to make inzi WK. He was great in the slips, so I’d expect him to be better with the gloves.
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Good quality post. Great insight.
POTW.
Bhaijaan i know u want to include more Pakistani players but..... Aise mazaak to na karo.
 
Hawkeye said:
:))) :))) :)))

Okay now. Bumrah who doesn't even have 100 Test wickets, or hasn't even played 40 Tests is now an ATG?

Forget about that. Imran, arguably the greatest captain of all time and made his team a competitive force in an era full of ATG players in Eng/Aus/WI is now behind Kohli?

Disagreements in politics should not come to cricket.
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After 6 years on this forum and doing my own research, I have come to the conclusion that Imran's captaincy is greatly overstated on this forum. Sure he was a great captain, undoubtedly the best in Pakistan's history, but calling him the greatest captain ever is over-selling it.

He did not win enough games and he also lost to Sri Lanka in the 80's when they were proper minnows. Kohli has made mistakes as captain, but you cannot argue against his ability to win matches. He still has many years of captaincy left and it is hard to see anyone toppling India as the number one team for years to come.

I have stated multiple times that Imran the politician and Imran the cricketer are two different people for me. I have tremendous admiration and respect for the latter and what he has done for Pakistan cricket, but there is no doubt that he is overrated on PP because of hero worshipping and the obvious Pakistan bias.

He is an ATG player and an ATG leader, but not the greatest cricketer and greatest captain of all time as he is frequently portrayed here.

As far as Bumrah is concerned, yes he is quite inexperienced at the moment, but some players make it very obvious early in their careers that they will go down in history as one of the greats. I find Bumrah in that category, and under the leadership of Kohli and the guidance of BCCI, only a serious injury will stop him from having a fantastic career.
 
Gavaskar
Sehwag in Asia/Hanif Muhammad outside Asia
Dravid
Tendulkar
Miandad in Asia/Kohli outside Asia
Dhoni in Asia as WK/Farokh Engineer as WK outside Asia
Imran (C)
Kapil
Wasim
Waqar
Fazal/Shoaib depending in conditions

Think this team can beat all comers, yes you can have some people saying that there's no spinner there and it's a slightly valid point, but when you have 4 ATG front line pacers and India's best pacer from the 20th century, you will absolutely knock over any ATG batting line-up though I do feel that India and Pakistan lack a spinner that's on the level of a Murali or a Warne, so you can't quite add that extra dimension that a more expansive range could provide.
 
Mamoon said:
After 6 years on this forum and doing my own research, I have come to the conclusion that Imran's captaincy is greatly overstated on this forum. Sure he was a great captain, undoubtedly the best in Pakistan's history, but calling him the greatest captain ever is over-selling it.

He did not win enough games and he also lost to Sri Lanka in the 80's when they were proper minnows. Kohli has made mistakes as captain, but you cannot argue against his ability to win matches. He still has many years of captaincy left and it is hard to see anyone toppling India as the number one team for years to come.

I have stated multiple times that Imran the politician and Imran the cricketer are two different people for me. I have tremendous admiration and respect for the latter and what he has done for Pakistan cricket, but there is no doubt that he is overrated on PP because of hero worshipping and the obvious Pakistan bias.

He is an ATG player and an ATG leader, but not the greatest cricketer and greatest captain of all time as he is frequently portrayed here.

As far as Bumrah is concerned, yes he is quite inexperienced at the moment, but some players make it very obvious early in their careers that they will go down in history as one of the greats. I find Bumrah in that category, and under the leadership of Kohli and the guidance of BCCI, only a serious injury will stop him from having a fantastic career.
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I am afraid your research on Imran Khan is very biased. Nevermind...
Agreed on Bumrah, he has potential.
 
Buffet said:
Too early to put Bumrah in all time Ind-Pak XI. Let him get 100 wickets first.
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Would be interested to see your AT XI.

One thing I'm annoyed about is the clean sweep of Indian batsmen in most PPer's lists in that they're clearly better than all the Pakistani batsmen, having said that, I think you can definitely slip in Miandad with the right stipulations/conditions.
 
gazza619 said:
I am afraid your research on Imran Khan is very biased. Nevermind...
Agreed on Bumrah, he has potential.
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He may have potential, but as history has shown us many times, potential doesn't mean you already belong on ATG lists.
 
Haroon786 said:
Gavaskar
Sehwag in Asia/Hanif Muhammad outside Asia
Dravid
Tendulkar
Miandad in Asia/Kohli outside Asia
Dhoni in Asia as WK/Farokh Engineer as WK outside Asia
Imran (C)
Kapil
Wasim
Waqar
Fazal/Shoaib depending in conditions

Think this team can beat all comers, yes you can have some people saying that there's no spinner there and it's a slightly valid point, but when you have 4 ATG front line pacers and India's best pacer from the 20th century, you will absolutely knock over any ATG batting line-up though I do feel that India and Pakistan lack a spinner that's on the level of a Murali or a Warne, so you can't quite add that extra dimension that a more expansive range could provide.
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Oops, totally forgot about Fazal.

IK, 2Ws and Fazal + any containing spinner to rest/rotate pacers. Good luck opposition :D
 
Kohli has made mistakes as captain, but you cannot argue against his ability to win matches
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Yes you can. There's a mega thread around. Most people "arguing" are Indians and VK's fans.

Perfection doesn't exist.

But IK is the closest cricketer/skipper to perfection! Never lost to WI. Played weeks against them yet remained invincible. That's as good as you can get in the great game as far as captaincy is concerned :viv
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
Oops, totally forgot about Fazal.

IK, 2Ws and Fazal + any containing spinner to rest/rotate pacers. Good luck opposition :D
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Not to forget, I also have Kapil in there too, so maybe he can play outside Asia as a fast bowling AR and a spinning AR like Afridi, Mushtaq Mohammad (iirc) or Yuvraj in Asia would be great.
 
Haroon786 said:
Would be interested to see your AT XI.
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Problem with these XIs are that my list can change each day , but most players pick themselves up here. Your XI is not far off from what I will pick. I don't normally like outside Asia or inside Asia conditions, because best XI should be the best considering all conditions. In short, I think you pick players who provide the best balance assuming XI is going to play in all conditions.

But I will leave that, make one change in your XI. I will slot Ashwin instead of Faizal/Akhtar you listed.

Your XI already has IK, Wasim, Waqar and Dev. I will pick 5th spinner rather than a pacer. Ashwin with his batting gets a nod for me.
 
My IX:


Sunil Gavasker
Rahul Dravid
Sachin Tendulkar
Virat Kohli
Javed Miandad
Mahender Singh Dhoni -WK
Imran Khan - C
Kapil Dev
Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
Saqlain Mushtaq

Reserve:

Ravinder Jaideja
Anil Kumble
Mohammed Yousuf
Bumrah
 
Buffet said:
Too early to put Bumrah in all time Ind-Pak XI. Let him get 100 wickets first.
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Besides the big 4 of Pakistan, no Indian pacer had done as well as quickly as Bumrah abroad.

In his first tours to SA, ENG, and AUS, he has performed tremendously and was a key part to why India did well.

Yes, the AUS and SA teams are weaker than they have been for some time but for an Asian pacer to make impact on his first tours and take five-wicket-hauls in every country shows he is far superior to anything India has produced since.

Asif is Bumrah’s only competition for the spot but as soon as the pitch became flat, so did he.

Bumrah is consistently 15-20 kph faster on average for the same length of spells and can hold things tight when the pitch is unresponsive.

Of course, he can fade into obscurity like many Indian pacers before him but as of now, he has great stats outside and at home.
 
ManFan said:
Besides the big 4 of Pakistan, no Indian pacer had done as well as quickly as Bumrah abroad.

In his first tours to SA, ENG, and AUS, he has performed tremendously and was a key part to why India did well.

Yes, the AUS and SA teams are weaker than they have been for some time but for an Asian pacer to make impact on his first tours and take five-wicket-hauls in every country shows he is far superior to anything India has produced since.

Asif is Bumrah’s only competition for the spot but as soon as the pitch became flat, so did he.

Bumrah is consistently 15-20 kph faster on average for the same length of spells and can hold things tight when the pitch is unresponsive.

Of course, he can fade into obscurity like many Indian pacers before him but as of now, he has great stats outside and at home.
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I wasn't doubting his caliber. I was simply picking on him for not playing enough to be in contention for ATG teams. Even 100 wickets won't be enough.
 
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YousafTheBeast said:
I’d have Dhoni as WK but then i’d have to take out either inzi or yousuf, so I’m left with no option but to make inzi WK. He was great in the slips, so I’d expect him to be better with the gloves.
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The thousands of squats means he will lose weight and that will disturb his balance while batting. I ain't making this up btw. Ask Inzi. (2003 WC)
 
Buffet said:
Problem with these XIs are that my list can change each day , but most players pick themselves up here. Your XI is not far off from what I will pick. I don't normally like outside Asia or inside Asia conditions, because best XI should be the best considering all conditions. In short, I think you pick players who provide the best balance assuming XI is going to play in all conditions.

But I will leave that, make one change in your XI. I will slot Ashwin instead of Faizal/Akhtar you listed.

Your XI already has IK, Wasim, Waqar and Dev. I will pick 5th spinner rather than a pacer. Ashwin with his batting gets a nod for me.
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If it's in all conditions, then I'd have to pick very reluctantly, Hanif over Sehwag and the other two changes would be easy: Kohli over Miandad, Dhoni over Engineer and probably a spinner like Mushy or Ashwin over Fazal/Shoaib. That's a line-up who on any given day, can each score a 100 all the way up to number 8 or 9 and you have at least 4 bowlers who at their pomp could knock over anyone upon their beck and call. Think this XI rivals any team in history, with the only weaknesses being lacking an ATG spinner and wicketkeeper.
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
Yes you can. There's a mega thread around. Most people "arguing" are Indians and VK's fans.

Perfection doesn't exist.

But IK is the closest cricketer/skipper to perfection! Never lost to WI. Played weeks against them yet remained invincible. That's as good as you can get in the great game as far as captaincy is concerned :viv
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Firstly, please quote me properly next time so that I can get a notification. I don't always reply, but I still deem it rude not to, so it is easy to miss posts unless I am notified.

As an all-rounder he might be (although he wasn't explosive with the bat), but as a captain, Imran is by no means the closest skipper to perfection. He deserves credit for not losing to West Indies, but that was effectively cancelled out when he lost a Test in Sri Lanka in 1986, when they were genuine minnows.

No wonder he stopped playing against minnows after that.

Kohli has achieved something incredible by winning a series in Australia, but if he were to lead India to a defeat in Zimbabwe, that Australian success will be evened out by this immense failure.

If we are to be objective, we should talk about Imran's embarrassing defeat in Sri Lanka as much as we glorify his success in the West Indies. Moreover, Kohli is downplayed for beating a weak Australian team, but Imran failed to beat a weak Australian side in 1989-90.

Kohli took India from number 7th to the undisputed number 1 in the world. They are probably going to maintain their ranking for many years because it is hard to see any team challenging them, they have all the basis covered and the core of their team has many years left.

Yes Indian fans are critical of his captaincy, but that is because of their high standards. When the team is mediocre for so many years, the fans also become mediocre. That is why Pakistani fans have minnow mentality today and celebrate a solitary win against a good team for years. We have reached a point where even winning a home series has become an achievement.

The success that India has enjoyed over the last 15 years has raised the expectations and the demands of the Indian fans. They critical of Kohli's captaincy because they think they could have won in South Africa and England as well. They have reached a level where they expect India to win every series in every format everywhere in the world.

In today's environment, if Pakistan had someone like Kohli who would have led the team to a series win in Australia, we would be erecting statues in his honour. Unfortunately the truth is that we have never and probably will never produce a cricketer of his calibre and pedigree.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Waqar is a legend of the game but so are Imran and Kapil who are both world class players and can play as batsmen.

Wasim is indeed the greatest left arm pacer but that can't be your Bhaijaan's criteria to select teams.

As great as Wiqi was in his prime, no one brings the storm quite like the Rawalpindi Express. Shoaib Akhtar is one bad man! A must have.
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So is Wasim, Kapil and Imran bring same skillset.. Wasim on the other hand brings in a new dimension altogether.. Every top batsmen struggle against left handers who swing the ball in both directions with pace because such bowlers are extremely rare .

Wasim also was a half decent batsmen in test and is a must in any team.. He is a sureshot in most world XIs as well let alone this India Pakistan XI.

I agree Shoaib was lethal and if you want to go with him it's ok, however most people would chose waqar over him because waqar was even more lethal during his peak years and was consistently bowling at 148+ which itself is a very high pace.. Shoaib was quicker but wasn't as consistent and lethal as Peak waqar ever in his career.
 
Haroon786 said:
Gavaskar
Sehwag in Asia/Hanif Muhammad outside Asia
Dravid
Tendulkar
Miandad in Asia/Kohli outside Asia
Dhoni in Asia as WK/Farokh Engineer as WK outside Asia
Imran (C)
Kapil
Wasim
Waqar
Fazal/Shoaib depending in conditions

Think this team can beat all comers, yes you can have some people saying that there's no spinner there and it's a slightly valid point, but when you have 4 ATG front line pacers and India's best pacer from the 20th century, you will absolutely knock over any ATG batting line-up though I do feel that India and Pakistan lack a spinner that's on the level of a Murali or a Warne, so you can't quite add that extra dimension that a more expansive range could provide.
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No place for Kohli?
 
Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Sachin
Kohli
Dhoni/pant (wk)
Kapil
Imran (c)
Wasim
Waqar
Akhtar

No need of spinner on green/sporting/flat tracks with this gun pace attack.
If there is minefield then kumble, ashwin (these 2 are best in destroying opposition taking fifers in heap) in place of akhtar and kapil.
 
Gavaskar
Sehwag/Hanif (you could select either and not be wrong)
Dravid
Sachin
Miandad (Kohli will eventually overtake him the way he is going)
Imran (c)
Dhoni (wk)
Ashwin
Wasim
Kumble
Waqar

Given that this team can bat till 9, with even Kumble capable of scoring, I would even be tempted to play Kapil Dev instead of Miandad.
 
Sidilicious said:
Gavaskar
Sehwag/Hanif (you could select either and not be wrong)
Dravid
Sachin
Miandad (Kohli will eventually overtake him the way he is going)
Imran (c)
Dhoni (wk)
Ashwin
Wasim
Kumble
Waqar
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^ Miandad ahead of Kohli makes no sense. Also, Sehwag was too uni dimensional to warrant a spot.
 
Haroon786 said:
If it's in all conditions, then I'd have to pick very reluctantly, Hanif over Sehwag and the other two changes would be easy: Kohli over Miandad, Dhoni over Engineer and probably a spinner like Mushy or Ashwin over Fazal/Shoaib. That's a line-up who on any given day, can each score a 100 all the way up to number 8 or 9 and you have at least 4 bowlers who at their pomp could knock over anyone upon their beck and call. Think this XI rivals any team in history, with the only weaknesses being lacking an ATG spinner and wicketkeeper.
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That team will be pretty much close to the best team anyone can pick. PPers can argue over 1-2 spots, but 9-10 spots will be pretty much picking themselves. I suspect by the time Ashwin hangs his boot, his stature will go up. So your team won't look that weak in spin.
 
Lol at Kohli in the all-time Indo-Pak test XI. What has he helped his team achieve?

The real Indo-Pak all-time test XI:

1) Sunil Gavasker
2) Sachin Tendulker
3) Rahul Dravid
4) Javed Miandad
5) Younis Khan
6) Imran Khan (c)
7) MS Dhoni/Moin Khan (wk)
8) Wasim Akram
9) Waqar Younis
10) Saqlain Mushtaq
11) Anil Kumble/Beshin Bedi
 
Buffet said:
That team will be pretty much close to the best team anyone can pick. PPers can argue over 1-2 spots, but 9-10 spots will be pretty much picking themselves. I suspect by the time Ashwin hangs his boot, his stature will go up. So your team won't look that weak in spin.
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I think Ashwin is improving overseas and he always takes heaps of wickets in Asia, so I agree, his numbers could be right up there with the very best but it's whether there is substance behind the numbers in terms of match winning performancrs away from home that is major in determining whether he will be an ATG once his career winds up.
 
Bilal7 said:
Lol at Kohli in the all-time Indo-Pak test XI. What has he helped his team achieve?

The real Indo-Pak all-time test XI:

1) Sunil Gavasker
2) Sachin Tendulker
3) Rahul Dravid
4) Javed Miandad
5) Younis Khan
6) Imran Khan (c)
7) MS Dhoni/Moin Khan (wk)
8) Wasim Akram
9) Waqar Younis
10) Saqlain Mushtaq
11) Anil Kumble/Beshin Bedi
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Younis Khan over Virat Kohli.... 😂😂
 
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