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All-time joint India-Pakistan Test XI - Best Test team of all time?

Bilal7 said:
Lol at Kohli in the all-time Indo-Pak test XI. What has he helped his team achieve?

The real Indo-Pak all-time test XI:

1) Sunil Gavasker
2) Sachin Tendulker
3) Rahul Dravid
4) Javed Miandad
5) Younis Khan
6) Imran Khan (c)
7) MS Dhoni/Moin Khan (wk)
8) Wasim Akram
9) Waqar Younis
10) Saqlain Mushtaq
11) Anil Kumble/Beshin Bedi
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Eight bonafide ATGs, two very good spinners and two decent options for the keeping slot.
 
I’ll keep it simple.

Let India have the top 7, and Pakistan the last 4.

Sunil Gavaskar
Virender Sehwag
Sachin Tendulkar
Rahul Dravid
Virat Kohli
MS Dhoni (WK)
Kapil Dev
Imran Khan
Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
Fazal Mehmood

You have batsmen there who will get you 500 totals and pace bowling quartet of Imran, Wasim, Waqar and Fazal who know how to rip apart batting line ups (and Kapil around to let them have a rest :) )

No need for specialist spinners — they won’t get a chance with this bowling attack, if needed then Sachin and Sehwag can do a few overs.
 
Haroon786 said:
I think Ashwin is improving overseas and he always takes heaps of wickets in Asia, so I agree, his numbers could be right up there with the very best but it's whether there is substance behind the numbers in terms of match winning performancrs away from home that is major in determining whether he will be an ATG once his career winds up.
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I don't think he is at Murali level and Sl had over all a weaker team, but just to put things it perspective..

Murali has good performance in 9 away wins for SL against non-minnows.

2 each against NZ and Eng. 5 against Pakistan.

Ashwin just has one win in Aus and I am not counting SL here. He is not playing Pakistan otherwise I would have expected good performances from him in wins against Pakistan as well.

So so far, just one in Aus. If he can produce 3-4 more performances like that and bowl tightly on other matches then I think it will be very good output from him.

This was not to show that Ashwin is at Murali's level. Simply to show that he needs 3-4 more matches in wins with good performance. Not far fetched to see him do that right now. He needs to get better with his fitness level.

Warne had more in away wins, but it was mainly due to him being a part of one of the greatest team in history.

Ashwin has to land some where ahead of Murali in contributions in away wins or at least near him to go down as an ATG because India does have a stronger team than SL.
 
Buffet said:
I don't think he is at Murali level and Sl had over all a weaker team, but just to put things it perspective..

Murali has good performance in 9 away wins for SL against non-minnows.

2 each against NZ and Eng. 5 against Pakistan.

Ashwin just has one win in Aus and I am not counting SL here. He is not playing Pakistan otherwise I would have expected good performances from him in wins against Pakistan as well.

So so far, just one in Aus. If he can produce 3-4 more performances like that and bowl tightly on other matches then I think it will be very good output from him.

This was not to show that Ashwin is at Murali's level. Simply to show that he needs 3-4 more matches in wins with good performance. Not far fetched to see him do that right now. He needs to get better with his fitness level.

Warne had more in away wins, but it was mainly due to him being a part of one of the greatest team in history.

Ashwin has to land some where ahead of Murali in contributions in away wins or at least near him to go down as an ATG because India does have a stronger team than SL.
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Fair points.

We shall see if Ashwin can continue improving in away tours...
 
Majid Khan said:
I’ll keep it simple.

Let India have the top 7, and Pakistan the last 4.

Sunil Gavaskar
Virender Sehwag
Sachin Tendulkar
Rahul Dravid
Virat Kohli
MS Dhoni (WK)
Kapil Dev
Imran Khan
Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
Fazal Mehmood

You have batsmen there who will get you 500 totals and pace bowling quartet of Imran, Wasim, Waqar and Fazal who know how to rip apart batting line ups (and Kapil around to let them have a rest :) )

No need for specialist spinners — they won’t get a chance with this bowling attack, if needed then Sachin and Sehwag can do a few overs.
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Very fair team good work
 
mahmed said:
My IX:


Sunil Gavasker
Rahul Dravid
Sachin Tendulkar
Virat Kohli
Javed Miandad
Mahender Singh Dhoni -WK
Imran Khan - C
Kapil Dev
Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
Saqlain Mushtaq

Reserve:

Ravinder Jaideja
Anil Kumble
Mohammed Yousuf
Bumrah
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Tendulkar not a better opener than Dravid?Remeber a ODI record.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Bhaijaan’s Greatest Combined India-Pakistan Test XI:-

Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar (capt)
Kohli
Pant (wk)
Dev
Imran
Kumble
Akhtar
Bedi


This team will beat any country’s best XI.
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Very good selection But why no Waqar Younus? And why apart who has hardly proved himself?
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Bhaijaan’s Greatest Combined India-Pakistan Test XI:-

Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar (capt)
Kohli
Pant (wk)
Dev
Imran
Kumble
Akhtar
Bedi


This team will beat any country’s best XI.
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Bubby said:
I think it can, as the batting and bowling has all basis covered.
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Even on fast wickets in Australia?Or in South Africa?Remember match winners in West Indies and Australia?
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Bhaijaan’s Greatest Combined India-Pakistan Test XI:-

Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar (capt)
Kohli
Pant (wk)
Dev
Imran
Kumble
Akhtar
Bedi

This team will beat any country’s best XI.
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Mamoon said:
Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar
Kohli (c)
Imran
Dhoni (wk)
Jadeja
Wasim
Waqar
Bumrah

Quite possibly the best team of all time. With no Pakistani batsman in the ranks, this team will not struggle on bouncy pitches. The bowling attack of course is incredible. Wasim and Bumrah to open the bowling with Waqar and Imran utilising the old ball.

I went with Jadeja as the sole spinner - his accuracy is fantastic and he is a very decent batsman. He pips Ashwin because of his vastly superior fielding. However, on rank turners, Ashwin can come in for Waqar.

Kohli as captain because his record is phenomenal. He is fearless, aggressive and does not play for draws. This lineup will not lose a single series in Asian conditions and compete extremely well overseas.
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Great post .Would it beat West Indies or Australia all time teams overseas on fast wickets?Consider match winners amongst opponents.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Bhaijaan’s Greatest Combined India-Pakistan Test XI:-

Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar (capt)
Kohli
Pant (wk)
Dev
Imran
Kumble
Akhtar
Bedi


This team will beat any country’s best XI.
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barah_admi said:
My eleven would be -

1. Gavaskar
2. Tendulkar
3. Y Khan
4. Kohli
5. Yousuf
6. Dhoni wk (not the best keeper but the best bat)
7. I Khan c
8. Akram
9. Akhtar
10. Younis
11. Kumble

That's about as good a team as one can have..

For me, the two Ws, Tendulkar, both khan's and Gavaskar are a lock. The others may be debated.
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Beat all time Australia or West Indies overseas on quick wickets?Enough match-winners to combat opponents?
 
Harsh Thakor said:
Would this side beat all time Australia or West Indies teams?
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In Asia, they would be beaten. However, it doesn't matter what team people come up with, the all-time Australian and Windies would have the edge in their own conditions. In England, we would have an amazing contest.
 
Bilal7 said:
Lol at Kohli in the all-time Indo-Pak test XI. What has he helped his team achieve?

The real Indo-Pak all-time test XI:

1) Sunil Gavasker
2) Sachin Tendulker
3) Rahul Dravid
4) Javed Miandad
5) Younis Khan
6) Imran Khan (c)
7) MS Dhoni/Moin Khan (wk)
8) Wasim Akram
9) Waqar Younis
10) Saqlain Mushtaq
11) Anil Kumble/Beshin Bedi
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LOL, Kohli is not just better, but better by a mile than any batsman Pakistan has produced till date :))

Don't believe me? Ask some of the Pak posters. Younis Khan averages less than 40 outside Asia and 42 in SENA. Miandad averages 29 against the West Indies.

It's an insult to the game to compare Kohli with any Pakistani batsman.
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
 
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Bilal7 said:
Lol at Kohli in the all-time Indo-Pak test XI. What has he helped his team achieve?

The real Indo-Pak all-time test XI:

1) Sunil Gavasker
2) Sachin Tendulker
3) Rahul Dravid
4) Javed Miandad
5) Younis Khan
6) Imran Khan (c)
7) MS Dhoni/Moin Khan (wk)
8) Wasim Akram
9) Waqar Younis
10) Saqlain Mushtaq
11) Anil Kumble/Beshin Bedi
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And it funny how you were saying how the other day that that chucker was the best spinner of this decade :))

What exactly did he help his team achieve other than defeats and humiliations?
 
TBh only

Wasim,Waqar, Imran, Sachin, Gavaskar are automatic selections

rest are all subjective

anyways mine

Majid Khan
Hanif Muhammad
Javed Minadad
Younis Khan
Sachin Tendulkar
MS Dhoni(wk)
Imran Khan(c)
Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
Shoiaib Akhtar
Yasir Shah(in Asia)/Fazal(in SENA)
 
Harsh Thakor said:
Beat all time Australia or West Indies overseas on quick wickets?Enough match-winners to combat opponents?
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I dunno, but if it is a 5 match series, might go something like 2-2-1.

Favaskar and Tendulkar are consistent run getters, the former is very stubborn. yOu then have the rear guard master yof Khan, the aggression and stroke play of Kohli and the pure elegance of Yousuf. Add Dhoni, Khan and Akram who can get runs too and its a formidable batting line up.

Then the pace, swing and consistency on offer form the bowlers is just as remarkable.

All hypothetical of course haha
 
amax said:
TBh only

Wasim,Waqar, Imran, Sachin, Gavaskar are automatic selections

rest are all subjective

anyways mine

Majid Khan
Hanif Muhammad
Javed Minadad
Younis Khan
Sachin Tendulkar
MS Dhoni(wk)
Imran Khan(c)
Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
Shoiaib Akhtar
Yasir Shah(in Asia)/Fazal(in SENA)
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I would add Miandad to that list. The opening spot was the most difficult for me to decide on because I don't rate Sehwag at all and apart from Sunny, none of the other openers produced by either team can be said to be truly 'great'.

However, Sachin at his best could bat anywhere in the top six and do well. In test cricket at least, he was a very versatile player.
 
The amount of overhype of Younis Khan. Lol. People believe he is better than Kohli. Lol.


Pakistan has produced no batsman who comes within a mile of Virat Kohli as a batsman.
 
cricketjoshila said:
The amount of overhype of Younis Khan. Lol. People believe he is better than Kohli. Lol.


Pakistan has produced no batsman who comes within a mile of Virat Kohli as a batsman.
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Replace Kohli with Dravid. Kohli is a distant dream :))
 
gavaskar , Dravid , Sachin , Miandad , Imran , Wasim are certainties. Rest are debatable.

Gavaskar
Hanif Mohammad
Dravid
Tendulkar
Miandad
Dhoni
Imran
Wasim
Shoaib
Kumble
Waqar
 
All-time Indian/Pakistan combined Test XI from a neutral POV

I was asked by a friend to select an all-time greatest Test XI made up of Indian and Pakistan players.

I decided on the following. What would your XI be?

Combined Ind/Pak all-time Test XI

Gavaskar
Sehwag
Kohli
Tendulkar
Dravid/Miandad
Dhoni+
Imran*
Kapil
Ashwin
Wasim
Waqar


12th Man Javed Miandad


The easy selections were

Gavaskar
Kohli
Tendulkar
Dhoni
Imran
Kapil
Wasim & Waqar



The tougher selections were

Sehwag, while I don't think there's been any better openers, I was tempted to open with Dravid to allow Miandad to bat 5, but in the end I went for Sehwag the opening specialist, and Dravid just pips Miandad. On another day I may have selected Miandad.

The only other tough call was the spinner, and I was really tempted to go with Kumble and thought about both Qadir and Jadeja, but you can't argue with Ashwin's record, and the fact he has 5 test hundreds averaging 27 sealed it for him,

No surprises that India dominate my batting, while Pakistan dominate my pace bowling.

Imran captains the side.

What would your XI be?
 
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Instead of picking between dravid and miandad I would replace sehwag with miandad.
Otherwise , nothing else.
This is a very deep batting order, wasim should bat above ashwin
 
Pretty much your same team.

Although I would say Pant will make this team ahead of Dhoni in a few years.
 
Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar
Kohli (c)
Imran
Pant (wk)
Ashwin
Wasim
Kumble/Asif (depending on the conditions)
Bumrah
 
While we're at it here's my combined ODI XI

Sharma
Anwar
Kolhi
Tendulkar
Zaheer Abbas
Imran* 3
Dhoni+
Dev 4
Wasim 2
Saqlain 5
Waqar 1
 
sindhiboy said:
Instead of picking between dravid and miandad I would replace sehwag with miandad.
Otherwise , nothing else.
This is a very deep batting order, wasim should bat above ashwin
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Yeah, I'd timed out to be able to edit further, but since I did go with Dravid just over Miandad, I would bat Dravid at 3 & Sachin 4 & Kohli 5.
 
sindhiboy said:
Instead of picking between dravid and miandad I would replace sehwag with miandad.
Otherwise , nothing else.
This is a very deep batting order, wasim should bat above ashwin
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I think there's enough evidence now to be certain that Ashwin is a more technically capable batsman thasn Wasim was, even though Wasim could be more devastating on his day. I'll stay with Ashwin batting ahead of him.
 
Mamoon said:
Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar
Kohli (c)
Imran
Pant (wk)
Ashwin
Wasim
Kumble/Asif (depending on the conditions)
Bumrah
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You have Bumrah ahead of Waqar already? wow, and Asif too for that matter?
 
Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar
Kohli
Pant(wkt) :inti
Imran(c)
Ashwin
Wasim
Kumble
Waqar

Pace Bowling - Imran, Wasim, Waqar
Spin Bowling - Ashwin, Kumble

Reserves:-

Javed Miandad
Kapil Dev
MS Dhoni
Saeed Anwar
 
I get Pant is vey promising and has made a great start to his career, but surprised to see a few already have him ahead of Dhoni when he's only been around for 5 minutes (well 20 tests).

Bit premature innit?
 
Snatch said:
You have Bumrah ahead of Waqar already? wow, and Asif too for that matter?
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I rank Asif as a better Test bowler than Waqar. I think if they played together in the same team, Asif would have done better than him. He had magical skills with the new ball and prime Asif opening the bowling with prime Wasim would have been an opening batsman’s nightmare.

Waqar was a huge beneficiary of ball-tampering. If he played today, he would have been a lesser bowler with a lesser record, while the likes of Wasim and Imran would have been equally effective.

They also benefited from tampering, but they were also very skilled with the new, undoctored ball, something that Waqar took over a decade to master and only demonstrated that skill effectively after 2000.

Nevertheless, if Waqar and Bumrah bowled today with the same type of balls, Bumrah would be more effective.

Similarly, one can imagine the carnage Bumrah would have created in the late 80’s and early 90’s with those heavily tampered-balls against tail-ender batsmen who could barely hold a bat and were genuinely scared of facing anything above 85 mph.
 
Snatch said:
I get Pant is vey promising and has made a great start to his career, but surprised to see a few already have him ahead of Dhoni when he's only been around for 5 minutes (well 20 tests).

Bit premature innit?
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It is not just about stats and low sample but it is the legacy which matters. Pant's sample is low but in test cricket, he has already created a long lasting legacy and at age of 23 is seen as one of the most feared batsman in the world cricket today.

Before the last home series Vs England, he only got to play away matches but he was still maintaining an average of 44 which is fantastic to begin with. He has already won his team two test series wins in Australia, one and the bigger win of the two as the standout performer. His home performance is quite phenomenal too based on low samples.

To conclude, he is probably 90% as good as MSD in subcontinent but much better than him in tests outside subcontinent and that is why gets the nod by few posters over here.

In LOI, MSD is miles ahead though and it will take a career of defining performances to overtake him in that format.
 
I just love players who thrive in difficult match situations. Not interested in stats or technical brilliance.

Sehwag
Gavaskar
Dravid
Kohli
Inzy
VVS
Dhoni
Imran(c)
Wasim
Ashwin
Asif
 
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1) Gavaskar
2) Sehwag
3) Dravid
4) Sachin
5) Miandad
6) Dhoni(wk)
7) Imran(c)
8) Jadeja
9) Ashwin
0) Akram
1) Younis

• Leaving out Kapil paji was tough but necessary for balance ( 3 pacers + 2 spinners). Also I rate Jadeja highly. He's a genuine 3D player and performs really well against top teams on big stages. Plus he's a lefty.

Overall an extremely strong team with crazy depth in batting and still 5 bowlers (of different varities). Would give tough fight to ATG WI and Aus teams.
 
Combined ODI XI

Sachin
Rohit
Kohli
Yuvi
Dhoni
Hardik/Afridi - on dry turners
Kapil
Wasim
Saqlain
Akhtar
Bumrah
 
1) Gavaskar
2) Sehwag
3) Kohli
4) Sachin
5) Younis / Miandad
6) Dhoni
7) Imran
8) Wasim
9) Kumble / Ashwin
10) Akhtar
11) Asif
 
From those whom I've watched live..

Virender Sehwag
Azhar Ali
Rahul Dravid
Sachin Tendulkar
Virat Kohli
Younis Khan
MS Dhoni
Ravi Ashwin
Mohammad Asif
Jasprit Bumrah
Mohammed Shami
 
Gavaskar
Sehwag
Virat Kohli
Sachin
Javed Miandad
Dhoni ( Rishab Pant in 2 yrs time )
Kapil Dev
Imran Khan
Wasim Akram
Anil Kumble / R Ashwin
Abdul Qadir
 
Pant's body of work in tests is already large and impressive enough to feature in an Indian ATG XI. Already has scored half of Dhoni's centuries and a third of his career runs. If his form holds for the next 10 months, Pant would have scored half of Dhoni's career runs. All of that before he even turns 25. Superlative stuff.

In ODI, it's premature to have him over Dhoni. But not as premature as people seem to think. If Pant can have an average of 40 with a SR of 115-120 by the time he plays 100 ODIs, he'd have made a solid case for himself over Dhoni in the ATG XI.
 
Gavasker
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar
Kohli (Cap) :inti
Pant(wk) :inti
Imran Khan
Kapil Dev/ Jadeja
Ashwin
Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
.
Batting lineup ends at number 10
 
Gavasker
Dravid
Miadad
Tendulkar
Kohli
Rizwan
Imran
Kavil Dev
Wasim
Kumble
Waqar
 
Indo- Pak all time XI ( as of Dec'2022):-

Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar
Kohli
Pant(wkt)
Imran
Wasim
Kumble
Shoaib
Waqar

In subcontinent, Indo-Pak XI will win. Outside Asia, Aus XI or Windies XI will win.
 
Australian all-time xi

Hayden
Langer
Bradman
S Smith
Border(c)
Miller
Gilchrist
Warne
Cummins
Lillee
Mcgrath


West Indies all time xi

Greenidge
Haynes
Viv Richards
Brian Lara
Clive Lloyd (c)
Gary Sobers
Jeff Dujon
Malcolm Marshall
Andy Roberts
Curtly Ambrose
Michael Holding
 
Virendra Sehwag
Sunil Gavaskar
Rahul Dravid
Sachin Tendulkar
Virat Kohli (captain)
Imran Khan (vc)
Rishabh Pant (wk)
Ravi Ashwin
Wasim Akram
Anil Kumble
Waqar Younis
12th man- Javed Miandad
 
Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Sachin
Kohli/Miandad
Pant
IK (c)
Wasim
Kumble
Waqar
Bedi
Kapil Dev - 12th man
Ashwin - Backup spinner


1. Replace one Kumble/Saqlain with Kapil Dev when playing in SENA
2. Ashwin to come in as a 3rd spinner in place of Waqar, when playing in the sub continent.
3. Very difficult to choose between Miandad and Kohli. I am slightly tilted towards Kohli due to his ability to dominate and counter attack, but felt Miandad was slightly better in sub continent.
4. Pant by simply his contribution in SENA has proven to be the best sub continent WK bat.
5. The captaincy debate was between Kohli and IK. Both were tactically poor, but were very good leaders of men. However, IK has a permanent spot in the XI, whereas Kohli is still competing with Miandad for the spot in the XI.
6. The off spinner spot was between Bedi and Saqlain. But Bedi's contribution to a weak Indian team in wins in SENA won the spot for Bedi.
 
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