Alleged Indian government involvement in plots to assassinate Sikh separatists living in the West

"We Expect India To...": US, UK Back Canada Over Withdrawal Of Diplomats
Analysts say the US and the UK do not want to damage ties with India, which they view as a counterbalance to their main Asian rival China.

Washington: The United States and Britain on Friday urged India not to insist Canada reduce its diplomatic presence in India and expressed concern after Ottawa pulled out 41 diplomats amid a dispute over the murder of a Sikh separatist.
Canada has alleged Indian involvement in the June murder in a Vancouver suburb of Canadian citizen and Khalistani terrorist Hardeep Singh Nijjar. India denies the allegation.

"We are concerned by the departure of Canadian diplomats from India, in response to the Indian government's demand of Canada to significantly reduce its diplomatic presence in India," US State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller said.

"Resolving differences requires diplomats on the ground. We have urged the Indian government not to insist upon a reduction in Canada's diplomatic presence and to cooperate in the ongoing Canadian investigation. We expect India to uphold its obligations under the 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, including with respect to privileges and immunities enjoyed by accredited members of Canada's diplomatic mission," the statement said.

Washington has said it took Canada's allegations seriously and, along with London, urged India to cooperate with Canada in the murder probe even as Western powers have been reluctant to openly condemn India.

Analysts say the US and the UK do not want to damage ties with India, which they view as a counterbalance to their main Asian rival China.

But Friday's statements from the US State Department and Britain's Foreign Office have been the most direct criticism by Washington and London of New Delhi thus far in this case.

"We do not agree with the decisions taken by the Indian government that have resulted in a number of Canadian diplomats departing India," a spokesperson for Britain's Foreign Office said.

Canada withdrew 41 diplomats from India after New Delhi last month asked Ottawa to reduce its diplomatic presence following Canada's allegations over Nijjar's killing. Canada on Friday said it was temporarily suspending in-person operations at consulates in several Indian cities and warned of visa processing delays.

Britain's Foreign Office also cited the Vienna Convention. It said "the unilateral removal of the privileges and immunities that provide for the safety and security of diplomats is not consistent with the principles or the effective functioning of the Vienna Convention."


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India is don't care what is UK and US think .we do what we want to do .
No one can interfere in foreign policy of India .
 
"We Expect India To...": US, UK Back Canada Over Withdrawal Of Diplomats
Analysts say the US and the UK do not want to damage ties with India, which they view as a counterbalance to their main Asian rival China.

Washington: The United States and Britain on Friday urged India not to insist Canada reduce its diplomatic presence in India and expressed concern after Ottawa pulled out 41 diplomats amid a dispute over the murder of a Sikh separatist.
Canada has alleged Indian involvement in the June murder in a Vancouver suburb of Canadian citizen and Khalistani terrorist Hardeep Singh Nijjar. India denies the allegation.

"We are concerned by the departure of Canadian diplomats from India, in response to the Indian government's demand of Canada to significantly reduce its diplomatic presence in India," US State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller said.

"Resolving differences requires diplomats on the ground. We have urged the Indian government not to insist upon a reduction in Canada's diplomatic presence and to cooperate in the ongoing Canadian investigation. We expect India to uphold its obligations under the 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, including with respect to privileges and immunities enjoyed by accredited members of Canada's diplomatic mission," the statement said.

Washington has said it took Canada's allegations seriously and, along with London, urged India to cooperate with Canada in the murder probe even as Western powers have been reluctant to openly condemn India.

Analysts say the US and the UK do not want to damage ties with India, which they view as a counterbalance to their main Asian rival China.

But Friday's statements from the US State Department and Britain's Foreign Office have been the most direct criticism by Washington and London of New Delhi thus far in this case.

"We do not agree with the decisions taken by the Indian government that have resulted in a number of Canadian diplomats departing India," a spokesperson for Britain's Foreign Office said.

Canada withdrew 41 diplomats from India after New Delhi last month asked Ottawa to reduce its diplomatic presence following Canada's allegations over Nijjar's killing. Canada on Friday said it was temporarily suspending in-person operations at consulates in several Indian cities and warned of visa processing delays.

Britain's Foreign Office also cited the Vienna Convention. It said "the unilateral removal of the privileges and immunities that provide for the safety and security of diplomats is not consistent with the principles or the effective functioning of the Vienna Convention."


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Canada is funny as hell, first went public and now suddenly talking about diplomacy should be in private.
And now it is confirmed they literally have no proof and none was shared with india.

At max they would have an intercepted a conversation between Indian diplomats cheering nijjar's death. Almost everyone who bothered about the killing in June and July would have simply said "well done"
 
Those consulates of Canada wont open anytime soon. US-UK ofcourse are now trying to douse the fire as India goes up the escalation ladder. But as long as Trudeau is PM there will not be any descalation.
 
Those consulates of Canada wont open anytime soon. US-UK ofcourse are now trying to douse the fire as India goes up the escalation ladder. But as long as Trudeau is PM there will not be any descalation.
Trudeau sacrificed Canada's international standing to save his domestic politics. Jagmeet Singh is playing a masterstroke. Gaining as trudeau fumbles and still supporting liberal govt.
 
India says relations with Canada passing through difficult phase

India on Sunday said its relationship with Canada is passing through a difficult phase and there had been "continued interference" by Canadian personnel in New Delhi's internal affairs.

The Indian government is angry that Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau last month suggested Indian agents might have been involved in the June murder of a Sikh separatist leader in British Columbia. India denies the allegation.

"The relationship right now is going through a difficult phase. But I do want to say the problems we have are with a certain segment of Canadian politics and the policies which flow from that," India’s foreign affairs minister S. Jaishankar said at an event.

Trudeau said on Friday the Indian government's crackdown on Canadian diplomats was making normal life difficult for millions of people in both countries.

Jaishankar said India had invoked diplomatic parity under the Vienna convention, "because we had concerns about continuous interference in our affairs by Canadian personnel".

"We haven't made much of that public. My sense is over a period of time more stuff will come out and people will understand why we had the kind of discomfort with many of them which we did”, Jaishankar said in a video clip shared by news agency ANI.



 
India Resumes Canadian Visa Services

India has decided to resume visa services for Canadians after suspending them in September amid recent frosty diplomatic relations, India’s High Commission in Ottawa announced Wednesday.

Foreign Minister S. Jaishankar earlier promised to reopen visa offerings if Canada addressed “security threats” that New Delhi claimed its diplomats were facing.

In Wednesday’s press release, India’s High Commission in Ottawa promised to allow Canadians to apply for entry, business, medical and conference visas “after a considered review of the security situation” found that Canada has made progress in improving “the security situation.”

Ottawa has long affirmed its commitment to the safety of foreign diplomats. India did not identify specific threats to its ambassadors.

The development comes in the weekslong fallout of what Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau called “credible allegations” of Indian involvement in the murder of Hardeep Singh Nijjar, an Indian expatriate living in suburban Vancouver. India has denied any role in the killing.

Since Trudeau leveled that accusation, the two nations have ousted each other’s top diplomats. In early October, India issued an advisory to its citizens, including students studying abroad, to exercise utmost caution when in Canada.


 
It’s been over a month and we are still waiting for the credible proofs that Trudeau believes he has.
 
High-Level Canadian Official Damaged Probe In Hardeep Nijjar's Killing: Indian Envoy
Indian High Commissioner Sanjay Kumar Verma said India has not received any credible evidence from Canada or its allies to support the allegation that Indian agents were involved in the killing.

New Delhi: Canada's top Indian diplomat has demanded Ottawa produce evidence to substantiate its allegation that "Indian agents" killed Khalistani terrorist Hardeep Singh Nijjar in British Columbia, a claim that shattered bilateral ties between India and Canada when Prime Minister Justin Trudeau made it public in September.
Indian High Commissioner Sanjay Kumar Verma told The Globe and Mail that India has not received any credible evidence from Canada or its allies to support the allegation that Indian agents were involved in the June killing of Nijjar.

"There is no specific or relevant information provided in this case for us to assist them in the investigation," Mr Verma said. "Where is the evidence? Where is the conclusion of the investigation? I would go a step further and say now the investigation has already been tainted. A direction has come from someone at a high level to say India or Indian agents are behind it."

Nijjar, 45, was an Indian terrorist and chief of the banned Khalistan Tiger Force (KTF) and was killed outside a gurdwara in Surrey, British Columbia, on June 18. He was one of India's most wanted terrorists who carried a cash reward of ₹ 10 lakh.

Relations between Canada and India have been strained since late September, when India revoked the diplomatic immunity of 41 Canadian diplomats, forcing them to leave India by October 20.

Canadian intelligence sources claim that they intercepted communications and received intelligence from an undisclosed Five Eyes (an intelligence-sharing alliance made up of the US, Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) ally that ties Indian operatives to Nijjar's killing.

While adamantly denying any Indian role in the killing, Mr Verma stressed that all diplomatic discourse is privileged and cannot be used as evidence in court or released to the public.

"You are talking about illegal wiretaps and talking about evidence. Conversations between two diplomats are secure by all international law," he said. "Show me how you captured these conversations. Show me that someone did not mimic the voice."

Pressed on whether Canada had sought the extradition of any suspects in the killing, Mr Verma responded, "Those conversations are between the two governments." The envoy stressed, however, that New Delhi has made 26 extradition requests to Ottawa over the past five to six years, yet none have been processed.

Threats To Indian Diplomats
Mr Verma revealed that he has been granted Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) security protection due to threats to his safety. The High Commissioner's office released images of posters that have been circulating online and appearing in public places in Vancouver and Toronto, targeting him and the Indian consuls general in those cities. Some posters label the Indian diplomats as "enemies of Canada," while others accuse them of operating a "terror house" or offer bounties for their assassinations.

"I feel that is hate speech and an incitement to violence," Mr Verma said. "I am concerned about my safety and security. I am concerned about the safety and security of my consul generals. God forbid if something happens."

 
"We Take Every Threat Seriously": Canada On Khalistani Terrorist's Video

The videos, posted online in the last week, feature Gurpatwant Singh Pannun, the general counsel for the Khalistani outfit, Sikhs for Justice.

Ottawa:

Canada's federal police are investigating a warning in videos circulating online not to fly Air India starting November 19, the transportation minister said Thursday. "We take every threat seriously, especially when it concerns airlines," Transportation Minister Pablo Rodriguez told reporters in Ottawa.

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police, he added, "is doing an investigation."

The videos, posted online in the last week, feature Gurpatwant Singh Pannun, the general counsel for the Khalistani outfit, Sikhs for Justice.

He warns Sikhs in the video: "Don't fly Air India after November 19, your lives may be in danger."

He told Canadian media this was not a threat, but rather a call to boycott Indian businesses. Canada is home to some 770,000 Sikhs, who make up about two percent of the overall population.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in September raised allegations that Indian agents played a role in the June murder of a Canadian Sikh leader, near Vancouver, and expelled an Indian diplomat believed to have a link to the slaying.

India dismissed as "absurd" the bombshell accusation. Relations between India and Canada have plunged over the unsolved murder, and Indian unhappiness over how Ottawa has handled Sikh separatists.​

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"We Take Every Threat Seriously": Canada On Khalistani Terrorist's Video

The videos, posted online in the last week, feature Gurpatwant Singh Pannun, the general counsel for the Khalistani outfit, Sikhs for Justice.

Ottawa:

Canada's federal police are investigating a warning in videos circulating online not to fly Air India starting November 19, the transportation minister said Thursday. "We take every threat seriously, especially when it concerns airlines," Transportation Minister Pablo Rodriguez told reporters in Ottawa.

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police, he added, "is doing an investigation."

The videos, posted online in the last week, feature Gurpatwant Singh Pannun, the general counsel for the Khalistani outfit, Sikhs for Justice.

He warns Sikhs in the video: "Don't fly Air India after November 19, your lives may be in danger."

He told Canadian media this was not a threat, but rather a call to boycott Indian businesses. Canada is home to some 770,000 Sikhs, who make up about two percent of the overall population.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in September raised allegations that Indian agents played a role in the June murder of a Canadian Sikh leader, near Vancouver, and expelled an Indian diplomat believed to have a link to the slaying.

India dismissed as "absurd" the bombshell accusation. Relations between India and Canada have plunged over the unsolved murder, and Indian unhappiness over how Ottawa has handled Sikh separatists.​

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Sure. thats why they did such a great job of invetigation the AI kanishka bombing which killed 200+ canadian citizens
 
"We Take Every Threat Seriously": Canada On Khalistani Terrorist's Video

The videos, posted online in the last week, feature Gurpatwant Singh Pannun, the general counsel for the Khalistani outfit, Sikhs for Justice.

Ottawa:

Canada's federal police are investigating a warning in videos circulating online not to fly Air India starting November 19, the transportation minister said Thursday. "We take every threat seriously, especially when it concerns airlines," Transportation Minister Pablo Rodriguez told reporters in Ottawa.

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police, he added, "is doing an investigation."

The videos, posted online in the last week, feature Gurpatwant Singh Pannun, the general counsel for the Khalistani outfit, Sikhs for Justice.

He warns Sikhs in the video: "Don't fly Air India after November 19, your lives may be in danger."

He told Canadian media this was not a threat, but rather a call to boycott Indian businesses. Canada is home to some 770,000 Sikhs, who make up about two percent of the overall population.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in September raised allegations that Indian agents played a role in the June murder of a Canadian Sikh leader, near Vancouver, and expelled an Indian diplomat believed to have a link to the slaying.

India dismissed as "absurd" the bombshell accusation. Relations between India and Canada have plunged over the unsolved murder, and Indian unhappiness over how Ottawa has handled Sikh separatists.​

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This guy is openly threatening to blow up airlines, how is this free speech?

Canada has to answer once and for all why they are harbouring terrorists who threaten other countries.
 
In his fresh remarks on the diplomatic face-off with India, Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has said that the world will become "more dangerous" for everyone "if bigger countries can violate international law without consequences".

Ties between New Delhi and Ottawa have been strained ever since Trudeau accused Indian agents of involvement in the killing of Khalistani terrorist Hardeep Singh Nijjar. Nijjar, 45, was shot dead outside a gurdwara in Canada's British Columbia in June. He was chief of the banned Khalistan Tiger Force and one of India's most wanted terrorists. India has termed the allegations "absurd" and "motivated".

The Canadian Prime Minister was addressing the media at the launch of a countrywide smart energy grid. Responding to a question on whether the US should take up the matter with India on Canada's behalf, he said, "From the very beginning, when we learnt of credible allegations that agents of the Indian government are involved in the killing of a Canadian citizens on Canadian soil, we reached out to India to ask them to work with us in getting to the bottom of this matter. We also reached out to our friends and allies, like the United States, and others to work on these really serious violation of international law and sovereignty of a democracy. This is something we are taking very very seriously, we will continue to work with all partners as law enforcement and investigative agencies continue to do their work."

"Canada is a country that will always stand up for the rule of law because if might starts to make right, if bigger countries can violate international law without consequences, then the whole world gets more dangerous for everyone," he added.

Asked if Canadian MP Chandra Arya's invitation to Indian envoy Sanjay Kumar Verma for an event was appropriate amid the diplomatic face-off, Trudeau said Canada wants to "work constructively" with India on this "very serious matter". "We have reached out to the Indian government and to partners around the world to get to the bottom of this, to take it seriously. That's why we were so disappointed when India violated the Vienna convention and arbitratrily revoked the diplomatic immunity of over 40 Canadian diplomats in India," he said.

"We have serious reasons to believe that agents of the government of India could have been involved in the killing of a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil. And India's response is to kick out a whole bunch of Canadian diplomats by violating their rights under the Vienna convention. That is of concern to countries around the world because if a given country," the Canada Prime Minister added.

Trudeau said Canada has tried to "work constructively" with India and that it will continue to do so. "This is not a fight we want to be having right now but we will always unequivocally stand up for the rule of law," he said.

The Ministry of External Affairs is yet to respond to Trudeau's latest remarks.

In a firm response to Trudeau's allegations, External Affairs Minister Dr S Jaishankar has said that they have told Ottawa that "this is not the government of India's policy". "We told them that look, if you have something specific, if you have something relevant, let us know. We are open to looking at it," he said.

"In the last few years, Canada actually has seen a lot of organised crime relating to the secessionist forces, organised crime, violence, extremism. They're all very, very deeply mixed up," he added.

Source: NDTV


 
U.S. thwarts plot to kill Sikh separatist in America, issues warning to India: report

U.S. authorities have thwarted a plot to kill a Sikh separatist in the United States and issued a warning to India over concerns that the Indian government was involved, the Financial Times reported on November 22, citing unnamed sources.

There was no immediate response from the Ministry of External Affairs on the report.

The Financial Times said that the sources did not say if the protest to India resulted in the plot being abandoned by the plotters, or if it was foiled by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).

The protest to New Delhi was registered after Prime Minister Narendra Modi was welcomed on a state visit by President Joe Biden in June, the report said.

The report comes two months after Canada said there were "credible" allegations linking Indian agents to the June murder of a Khalistani leader Hardeep Singh Nijjar in a Vancouver suburb. India has rejected Canada's accusations, calling the charges “motivated” and “absurd”.

Source: The Hindu


 
Secret Intelligence Documents Show Global Reach of India's Death Squads
The Indian government’s intelligence agency, the Research and Analysis Wing, or RAW, has been planning assassinations targeting Sikh and Kashmiri activists living in foreign countries, according to secret Pakistani intelligence assessments leaked to The Intercept.

The intelligence documents identify a series of threats against people living in Pakistan from RAW, which Pakistani security officials believe is working in conjunction with local criminal and dissident networks to carry out assassinations and other attacks. According to the documents, RAW is targeting individuals and religious institutions alleged to support an armed insurgency in the disputed territory of Kashmir, as well as militant Sikh activists living in Pakistan and wanted by the Indian government.

The documents offer compelling substantiation for the sensational claim that India has been carrying out a transnational assassination program against its political enemies. The Canadian government first made headlines in September with the accusation that Indian intelligence agents orchestrated the assassination of Sikh Canadian activist Hardeep Singh Nijjar on Canadian soil. Nijjar was gunned down outside a gurdwara — a Sikh temple — this summer in Surrey, British Columbia.

In October in Britain, the family of activist Avtar Singh Khanda called for an inquest into his sudden death, alleging that he had been poisoned by Indian intelligence agents following a series of public threats to his life. In September, The Intercept reported on threats to Sikh activists in the U.S. after the FBI warned a number of Sikh Americans about intelligence showing that their lives were in danger after the killing of Nijjar. In 2022, a 75-year-old Sikh Canadian man named Ripudaman Singh Malik, who had been acquitted of involvement in a deadly bombing of an Air India flight in 1985, was shot to death in front of his family business in Canada under circumstances that remain unclear. Despite these accusations of involvement in international assassinations, which have caused increased friction in India’s foreign relations, so far little intelligence — Canadian, Pakistani, American, or otherwise — has been made publicly available about these killings.

According to a Pakistani intelligence assessment, this summer RAW was also targeting two Sikh activists in Pakistan for assassination in the cities of Lahore and Islamabad. One alleged target in Islamabad is unnamed, while another is Lakhbir Singh Rode, a prominent Sikh separatist leader living in Pakistan since the 1990s who has long been accused of terrorism by India’s government. Rode was involved in a movement that aimed to create an independent nation in the region of Punjab known as Khalistan in the 1980s and ’90s. That campaign was crushed by a brutal counterinsurgency that claimed the lives of thousands of Sikhs, while forcing many more into exile.

Rode’s son, a Canadian citizen named Bhagat Singh, is, like his father, prominent in the diaspora movement for Sikh separatism. He told The Intercept that his father has long been living under threat from Indian intelligence.

“It is a well-known fact that he has been on the Indian government’s hit list for years,” Singh said, adding that he was also warned by Canadian intelligence about threats to his own life following the assassination of Nijjar this summer, which he presumes are from Indian intelligence.

“When [Nijjar] was killed, the response from many of us to our governments was, ‘We told you so,’” added Singh, referring to the community of diaspora Sikh activists. “But there is also a lot of anger that a foreign government could simply come here and murder a Canadian citizen.”

The Pakistani, Indian, and Canadian embassies did not provide comment for this story. The pace of suspected attacks inside Pakistan against individuals wanted by India appears to have accelerated in recent weeks. On November 13, India media reported the killing of another militant connected to an Islamist group in Karachi. The possible assassination followed the killings of two other Islamist militants wanted by India that had taken place recently in Pakistan’s tribal regions and the disputed territory of Kashmir. While covered in great detail by the Indian press, these killings have gone almost unmentioned in Pakistan, where local media and civil society are under de facto military control following the removal of former Prime Minister Imran Khan.

The lack of attention to the suspected assassinations of both political dissidents and militants has prompted calls for more pressure on India from some members of its diaspora.

“Anyone who speaks out against the Indian government anywhere in the world is under threat,” said Singh.

The secret documents, which were produced by Pakistan’s Intelligence Bureau, a civilian-controlled security agency somewhat akin to the FBI, show serious concern that Indian intelligence will carry out more killings on its soil in the future.

In May, the Pakistan Intelligence Bureau warned that Indian intelligence agents based in two other countries, the United Arab Emirates and Afghanistan, are being activated to carry out operations in Pakistan, suggesting that Indian operatives have a footprint throughout the region. In September, an Intelligence Bureau document again warned that the Indian government’s intelligence agency was planning “terrorist attacks” and assassinations against targets inside Pakistan: RAW agents were operating from a militant training camp in the Afghan city of Spin Boldak, it said, “to target wanted / prominent Sikh personalities in Pakistan.”

The documents are marked “Not to be disclosed/Communicated to any unauthorized person,” and The Intercept is not publishing them in full in order to protect the source who provided them. The documents specifically name threats to militants involved in the Kashmiri and Sikh separatist causes, as well as conservative Islamic movements in Pakistan. One document states that, “it has been learnt through reliable sources that hostile intelligence agency (RAW) with the collaboration of sub-nationalist groups / anti-state activists and local criminal networks is already planning to carry out terrorist attacks on the marakiz / masjid / religious seminaries / leaders / notables of Ahl-e-Hadith sect linked with organizations remained active in the Kashmir Jihad.”

Inside Pakistan, a spate of assassinations and other attacks in recent years targeted people alleged to be involved in Sikh and Kashmiri separatism as well as Islamist militancy inside India. This October, the Pakistani government arrested people it says were involved in targeted killings of suspected militants inside Pakistan. The killings were attributed in public statements to a “hostile spy agency,” a common reference to Indian intelligence in Pakistani official communications. This summer, a former commando in Pakistan’s elite Rangers paramilitary unit was also arrested on accusations of running a network carrying out assassinations of accused militants on behalf of RAW.

“The general perception in the West is that India can do no wrong and that when Pakistan accuses India of doing these types of things, they’re just being paranoid. But that is not borne out by history,” said Arif Rafiq, a scholar at the Middle East Institute and specialist on Pakistan. “Usually, the truth of these things are only fully known decades later, but India has a long history of these types of actions. When you piece it all together, it seems clear that there is a campaign today by India’s government to take an offensive strategy against these groups.”

The Pakistani government has periodically accused RAW of involvement in bombings and targeted killings inside Pakistan, including attacks against Chinese nationals working in the country and bombings targeting militant leaders wanted by India. These attacks have often been claimed publicly by separatist or extremist groups at war with the Pakistani state, including in the restive provinces of Balochistan and Sindh, that Pakistan accuses of being supported by India. The Indian government, for its part, has denied involvement in these operations or patronage of Pakistan-based militant groups, while accusing Pakistan of supporting Sikh and Kashmiri militants who have fought against it in the past.

This March, the Atlantic Council, an American think tank, published an anonymous article titled, “Who is Behind the Killings of Kashmiri Militants in Pakistan?” The article pointed to the recent killings of several former Kashmiri insurgents living in Pakistan whom the author claimed had been murdered by Indian intelligence in attacks that were left unsolved, attributed to Pakistan-based separatist groups, or deemed by the police to have been robberies gone wrong. Many of the killings targeted people who had been involved in fighting during the peak of the 1990s-era insurgency in Kashmir, but had later settled down to live and work inside Pakistan.

The article warned that the killings by Indian intelligence may torpedo attempts at rapprochement between India and Pakistan by inviting reprisals from militant groups themselves, stating, “While militant groups that have operated in Kashmir are not as strong as they used to be, they still possess significant capabilities to strike back. The assassination of their former comrades, whether perceived or real, may trigger an angry response, thus endangering peace and stability in the region.” The article also cited a former militant criticizing Pakistan’s military establishment for turning a blind eye to the killing of ex-militants on its soil as the Kashmir dispute has lost priority in Pakistan’s foreign policy.

The anonymously authored article was subsequently pulled from the Atlantic Council website. The article was replaced with a note stating it had been removed “because it did not go through the Atlantic Council’s standard editorial process prior to publication.”

Rode, the individual named as a target in Pakistani intelligence documents, is the nephew of Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale, the Sikh militant leader of the 1980s separatist insurrection. That family connection has kept him on the radar of Indian authorities, who announced the confiscation of land belonging to Rode in India this fall amid a broader crackdown on diaspora Sikh dissidents and their families.

Rode, who is living in Lahore, was described in a Pakistani intelligence document as having already been surveilled by Indian intelligence agents at a housing complex and gurdwara in the city. Information about his place of residence and the gurdwara that he frequents are included in the report, which suggests that he and another Sikh activist are at imminent risk from Indian agents or locals acting under Indian instruction. The documents warn Pakistani officials to use “heightened vigilance” and “foolproof security measures” to guard them.

According to family members, threats to Rode have increased in recent years, forcing him to go deeper into seclusion. His son, Bhagat Singh, says that surveillance photographs of his father’s car and residence had previously been sent to Pakistani authorities by Indian intelligence, as part of a demand by India to Pakistan to turn him over.

Singh said that he himself had been placed on Canada’s no-fly list after the Indian government accused him of involvement in planning terrorist attacks in India. Singh, who is seeking legal means to remove himself from the list, strongly rejects these accusations, saying that they are part of an international campaign by the Indian government to silence dissidents in its diaspora.

“The Sikh diaspora holds protests and lobbies Western governments to speak up against the Indian government, and it is for this that we are being targeted,” Singh said. “They don’t have to prove anything in court when they make these accusations. They simply label anyone as a terrorist who fights for their rights or says that they don’t want to live under their rule anymore after what has been done to them.”

Though the Khalistan movement has been mostly suppressed in Indian Punjab, supporters have continued to rally for the cause in the diaspora, including from Pakistan and Western countries. As a result of recent protests in Western countries, some of which have resulted in vandalism and threats to Indian consular staff, the Indian government has angrily accused foreign states of nurturing the Khalistan movement in exile. Many Sikhs themselves reject what they say is an attempt by the Indian government to extend its political authority over them even as they live and gain citizenship in foreign countries.

“The diaspora is an extension of people from Punjab,” said Harinder Singh, senior fellow at the Sikh-related public education organization the Sikh Research Institute. “When dissent is being crushed, even at the level of using extrajudicial killings inside Punjab, the people who manage to escape will of course find ways to talk about these issues from abroad.”

In addition to high-profile suspected murders in Western countries, recent years have also seen at least two killings of supporters of the Khalistan movement in Pakistan. In May, Paramjit Singh Panjwar, the leader of a Pakistan-based Sikh militant organization was shot to death by an assailant on a motorcycle while out for a walk near his home in Lahore. His killing came two years after the murder of another Sikh activist in Pakistan named Harmeet Singh, who was also shot to death in Lahore near the same gurdwara frequented by Rode.

“India has been carrying out activities like this in South Asia for years. The only difference is that today they have been discovered doing it in a Western democracy,” said Harinder Singh. “Despite many hypocrisies among Western democracies, one thing that they still do take very seriously is a foreign power taking the lives of their own citizens.”

Following the assassination of Nijjar in Canada this summer, Pakistan again publicly alleged that India was running a “network of extra-territorial killings” that had now gone global. The Indian government has responded angrily to accusations from Canada and other Five Eyes countries that it is running a transnational assassination program.

But as more details on the scope and nature of its operations come to light, the crisis over the killing of Nijjar, and potentially other Sikh dissidents, seems unlikely to disappear. The targeting of Rode and other Sikhs in foreign countries suggest that India is taking a more aggressive stance in targeting perceived enemies across borders, including through violent means.

“These killings show that India feels emboldened and that it has the geopolitical space to take these kinds of risks. There has never been an instance where it has been held to account for its excesses,” said Middle East Institute’s Rafiq. “Frankly, nobody would care if they were only killing people in Pakistan. It’s only until something happens on the other side of the world that people start paying attention.”

 
It seems the cat is out of the bag. Indians regulary plan to kill Sikhs and Kashmiris around the world.

This is not good for India, its breaking Int law, these are acts of terrorism. It will also cause a response where Indian BJP/government ministers could be targetted.
 
India restored electronic visa services for Canadian nationals, an Indian foreign ministry official said Wednesday, two months after Canada alleged the South Asian nation was involved in the assassination of a Sikh separatist in Canada.

The electronic visa was back in order on Wednesday, the official told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to speak to reporters.
 
Sikh leader Gurpatwant Singh Pannu responds after India kill plot exposed on American soil
"Threat to an American citizen on American soil is a challenge to America's sovereignty," Pannun says

sovereignty," Pannun says
By Murtaza Ali ShahNovember 23, 2023
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Pro-Khalistan Sikh leader and Sikhs For Justice (SFJ) General Counsel Gurpatwant Singh Pannun (centre), Indias most wanted man speaks during a protest rally. — Photo by author
Pro-Khalistan Sikh leader and Sikhs For Justice (SFJ) General Counsel Gurpatwant Singh Pannun (centre), India's most wanted man speaks during a protest rally. — Photo by author
LONDON: Pro-Khalistan Sikh leader and Sikhs For Justice (SFJ) General Counsel Gurpatwant Singh Pannun said India has directly challenged the United States' sovereignty and national security by plotting to kill him on American soil through its death squads.

In his first reaction after the Financial Times (FT) exposed that the US authorities, at the last minute, foiled an Indian state plot to kill the Khalistani leader on American soil, Pannun said he was not scared and will not be deterred by the Indian state’s plots against him.

Meanwhile, the US government, in a statement, said that it has taken up the issue of India’s attempts to kill Pannun "at the senior-most levels" with the Narendra Modi government.

Pannun, who is a New York-based Attorney at Law, said: "India's transnational terrorism has become a direct challenge to the sovereignty of the United States, so I will let the US government respond to the issue of threats to my life on American soil from the Indian operatives.

“My concern is that the Sikh Community is facing existential threat at the hands of successive Indian regimes from 1984 Operation Blue Star, November 1984 Genocide, decade-long (1984-97) extra-judicial killings of Sikhs to suppress the movement for right to self-determination and now the forced suicide of farmers of Punjab.

"At this time my focus is not threats to my life but to organise American Phase of Khalistan Referendum which is scheduled to start from San Francisco, CA on January 28, 2024, under the supervision of Punjab Referendum Commission, a panel of independent experts on direct democracy.

“Believing that independence from Indian occupation and establishment of Khalistan is the only solution, Sikh sovereignists have launched the global Khalistan Referendum initiative to peacefully advance the cause of liberating the Indian-held Punjab.

"Being General Counsel of SFJ my responsibility is to organise the secessionist Khalistan Referendum for liberation of Indian-held Punjab and to follow UN Charter and domestic laws of the countries where voting is being organised to ensure compliance with the democratic norms.

“Just like Canadian Citizen Hardeep Singh Nijjar's assassination by the Indian agents on Canadian soil was a challenge to Canada's sovereignty, the threat to an American citizen on American soil is a challenge to America's sovereignty, and I trust that the Biden Administration is more than capable to handle any such challenge.”

In a statement after the kill plot was exposed, the White House said it was "treating this issue with utmost seriousness".

Adrienne Watson, the National Security Council (NSC) spokesman, said the US had raised the issue with New Delhi "at the seniormost levels".

Watson said: "We understand the Indian govt is further investigating this issue and will have more to say about it in the coming days. We have conveyed our expectation that anyone deemed responsible should be held accountable."


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So any proof yet by the Canadians on the killing of the empy lander Hardeep Nijjar?????

Are we still at could have, may have, have proofs?





Yaaaawwwnnnnn

Boringgggg
 
It seems the cat is out of the bag. Indians regulary plan to kill Sikhs and Kashmiris around the world.

This is not good for India, its breaking Int law, these are acts of terrorism. It will also cause a response where Indian BJP/government ministers could be targetted.
Nahhh not really bro, what you are saying if more of Pakistani hope...

Real world don't work like that..

Putin and Saudi's Bin Salman does this to their enemies aint nobody gonna do anything about it, same for the Indians.. Life goes on, you may hear a few pakistanis causing hoohaa to have a platform to have a go at India which no important player in the international scene cares about anyway....
 
Nahhh not really bro, what you are saying if more of Pakistani hope...

Real world don't work like that..

Putin and Saudi's Bin Salman does this to their enemies aint nobody gonna do anything about it, same for the Indians.. Life goes on, you may hear a few pakistanis causing hoohaa to have a platform to have a go at India which no important player in the international scene cares about anyway....

I dont have any horse in this race bro, nothing to do with any hope.

Its only view. Modi is not Putin or MSB . India has seen multiple leaders assassinated and it was a Sikh who killed Indra Ghandi, this is the same conflict still in motion decades later. These Sikhs are seriously militant now, there are many in the UK who now openly abuse India, BJP and Modi. Lets hope there is no assassination and no further escalation as we saw in 84 when Sikhisms most holy place was riddled with bullets.
 
Pakistan slams Indian plot to kill Sikh on US soil

Pakistan on Thursday condemned the Indian conspiracy to assassinate a Sikh leader in the United States, which was foiled, expressing concerns that India’s network of espionage and extra territorial killings had gone global in clear violation of the international law.

At the briefing, the spokesperson’s attention was drawn towards a Financial Times report that the US authorities had thwarted a plot to kill a Sikh separatist, Gurpatwant Singh Pannun, in the United States, and issued a warning to India over concerns the government in New Delhi was involved.

The report also said that a protest was lodged with New Delhi after Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi was welcomed on a state visit by President Joe Biden in June.

The report came two months after Canada linked Indian agents to the murder of a Sikh separatist leader, Hardeep Singh Nijjar, in Vancouver.

On the conspiracy, Mumtaz recalled that Pakistan had long been a target of India's state-sponsored terrorism and espionage.

“India's network of espionage and extra-territorial killings has gone global. India's irresponsible and reckless conduct is a clear violation of international laws,” she said.


 
The US says it foiled an alleged plot to assassinate an American citizen in New York who advocated for a Sikh separatist state.

Nikhil Gupta, an Indian national, was charged on Wednesday. He was directed by an Indian government employee, according to the indictment.

He has been charged with murder-for-hire over the plot, which prosecutors said was orchestrated from India.

The alleged target was not named in the court documents.

The Indian government earlier said it had started an investigation of security concerns aired by the US in relation to the plot.

Shortly after the indictment was unsealed, the White House said it had raised the issue with the Indian government at the most senior levels. It added that Indian officials responded with "surprise and concern".

"The defendant conspired from India to assassinate, right here in New York City, a US citizen of Indian origin who has publicly advocated for the establishment of a sovereign state for Sikhs," US Attorney Damian Williams said.

"We will not tolerate efforts to assassinate US citizens on US soil," he added.

Sikhs are a religious minority that make up about 2% of India's population. Some groups have long called for a separate homeland for Sikhs.

The Indian government has often reacted sharply to demands by Sikh separatists in Western countries for Khalistan, or a separate homeland.

Source: BBC

 
Those Sikhs are nationals of Canada and America. If India is killing them, then India is certainly challenging their sovereignty.
 
Don't think India can show the proverbial two fingers to the US like they did Canada. Wont be surprised to see US announce at least punitive sanctions. Another disaster for Indian intelligence (or lack thereof) after the Qatari episode.

Will be interesting to see how India's diplomatic machinery tries to wriggle out of this one.
 
Right on the heels of conducting a successful one in Canada, which they seemed to vociferously deny and even the Bharatis here were tooting the horn of their government and claiming this was all fake, and the guy just managed to die on his own without an indian involvement.

Well now we have this and the Americans dont mince words. Charges have been filed:


NEW YORK, Nov 29 (Reuters) - An Indian government official directed an unsuccessful plot to assassinate a Sikh separatist on U.S. soil, the U.S. Justice Department said on Wednesday, in announcing charges against a man accused of orchestrating the attempted murder.

Federal prosecutors in Manhattan said Nikhil Gupta, 52, worked with the Indian government employee, whose responsibilities included security and intelligence, to assassinate a New York City resident who advocated for a Sikh sovereign state in northern India.
 
Nahhh not really bro, what you are saying if more of Pakistani hope...

Real world don't work like that..

Putin and Saudi's Bin Salman does this to their enemies aint nobody gonna do anything about it, same for the Indians.. Life goes on, you may hear a few pakistanis causing hoohaa to have a platform to have a go at India which no important player in the international scene cares about anyway....
Try doing something on US soil to US Citizens and it will be a FAFO event for you. It seems Indian government will be having one now that they tried it and it didnt work. Charges have been filed.
 
Will Indians again pretend to play stupid/dumb and pretend it's just not possible India can do something like this and that India never supports terrorism or killings like this?

I wouldn't be surprised if they still pretend to have their head stuck in the sand.
 
Indians seem to be pleased with this while outwardly pretending that allegations are false. Small man syndrome.
 
Try doing something on US soil to US Citizens and it will be a FAFO event for you. It seems Indian government will be having one now that they tried it and it didnt work. Charges have been filed.
Oh right, so the Pakistani talk has now moved onto wait and see what happens now, Canadians couldn't do anything but the Americans now will,, talk.

Hint to you: No one cares about an Empty lander, they are not even worth dirt at the bottom of a shoe in the international political scene, India/American alliance have a common interest and bigger fish to fry aka China threat.

No matter how much you Pakistanis cry, it won't make any difference. The Americans may openly say a few words that the Indians wont agree with but that is about all that will happen and nothing else, all the talk just for show...

I think some of you Pakistanis need to calm down, look in the mirror, count to 10 and realize no matter how much you cry, complain about India no one in the international scene barring ofcourse China will listen to you..


Let it go...
 
Oh right, so the Pakistani talk has now moved onto wait and see what happens now, Canadians couldn't do anything but the Americans now will,, talk.

Hint to you: No one cares about an Empty lander, they are not even worth dirt at the bottom of a shoe in the international political scene, India/American alliance have a common interest and bigger fish to fry aka China threat.

No matter how much you Pakistanis cry, it won't make any difference. The Americans may openly say a few words that the Indians wont agree with but that is about all that will happen and nothing else, all the talk just for show...

I think some of you Pakistanis need to calm down, look in the mirror, count to 10 and realize no matter how much you cry, complain about India no one in the international scene barring ofcourse China will listen to you..


Let it go...
The blessing of an inefficient hit squad!

Read the whole thing if you think nobody cares. The Indian government was warned directly by the US president. You think any country in the world especially the US will sit idly by when their citizens are assassinated by foreign governments?
You can kill them nonchalantly in your own country but that won’t happen on US soil. Like I said FAFO. If they were successful it could have been really ugly. But I don’t think Chaiwalla has the cojones to try again.
 
By the way this Gupta dude’s Indian behind will be cannon fodder for the brothers in jail till he dies. Don’t think he will be getting out.
 
The blessing of an inefficient hit squad!

Read the whole thing if you think nobody cares. The Indian government was warned directly by the US president. You think any country in the world especially the US will sit idly by when their citizens are assassinated by foreign governments?
You can kill them nonchalantly in your own country but that won’t happen on US soil. Like I said FAFO. If they were successful it could have been really ugly. But I don’t think Chaiwalla has the cojones to try again.
Ok well Stewie let's hope for your peace, happiness along with Pakistan' economy and prosperity sake US punishes India.
 
Ok well Stewie let's hope for your peace, happiness along with Pakistan' economy and prosperity sake US punishes India.
It will all die down in a few days, as it did with Trudeau in Canada. No one will be convicted.
A few days ago this Pannu theatened that he would blow up an Air India jet. The US authorities should have arrested him for that. They didn't. It did not even occur to them that American lives would be lost if Pannu's nutjobs had blown up the plane over American soil and it had crashed into an American city.
Anyone thinking that the US is 'concerned' about its citizen being assassinated by a foreign funded hit squad is living in lala land. They don't even bother when their own people are being gunned down in their hundreds by their fellow citizens thanks to their free for all gun laws. Fat chance they will worry about Pannu and some Indian fruitcake who allegedly hired a hit squad to take his life.

This is just some posturing attempt to bully India, and the Indians won't care.
 
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What a stupidity by Indian agencies, by killing pro khalistani leaders that have inspired a new life into this movement. Won't be surprised if this renew tensions in indian punjab in future.
 
By doing all this, the Indian government is making the Khalistan movement an international cause.
 
What a stupidity by Indian agencies, by killing pro khalistani leaders that have inspired a new life into this movement. Won't be surprised if this renew tensions in indian punjab in future.
The 'new life' is being inspired - in the US and Canada, and not India.
Maybe the Americans or Canadians should allow Pannu and his merry gang to create a Khalistan in America or Canada. The US can give them a piece of scorpion infested desert in Arizona to start a new country.
 
This is just some posturing attempt to bully India, and the Indians won't care.

US attorneys (federal) have high conviction rate and rarely bring cases to court unless they're confident of the evidence they have.
 
It will all die down in a few days, as it did with Trudeau in Canada. No one will be convicted.
A few days ago this Pannu theatened that he would blow up an Air India jet. The US authorities should have arrested him for that. They didn't. It did not even occur to them that American lives would be lost if Pannu's nutjobs had blown up the plane over American soil and it had crashed into an American city.
Anyone thinking that the US is 'concerned' about its citizen being assassinated by a foreign funded hit squad is living in lala land. They don't even bother when their own people are being gunned down in their hundreds by their fellow citizens thanks to their free for all gun laws. Fat chance they will worry about Pannu and some Indian fruitcake who allegedly hired a hit squad to take his life.

This is just some posturing attempt to bully India, and the Indians won't care.
No one cares about this empty lander everyone maybe even the Pakistanis deep down know it, they may not admit it but truth is hard for a few lol.

At worst US will use this Emptylander Pannu as a pawn to irritate India everytime the Americans feel the Indians are giving too much support to the Russians or do something that doesn't align the American way..

It wouldn't even surprise me if the Americans themselves one day kill Pannu and try to bring the blame on India depending on how strongly the Americans feel at the time the Indians are not aligning to their liking...

Either way Pannu is dead one day in the near future, either the Indians or the Americans will turn him into chappati and Dhaal 😂

lol Khalistan -= Empty landddd, everytime I hear that word, I die of laughter.... :amir2
 
US attorneys (federal) have high conviction rate and rarely bring cases to court unless they're confident of the evidence they have.
Not really. According to Pew Research, the conviction rate is high only if the cases are brought to trial. But most cases are not even brought to trial. Only about 2.5% of them are.

 
With Indian posters it’s all about what will happen, nothing will happen, blah blah blah beating around the bush of the real issue here which is state sponsored terrorism.

Complain about Pakistan to high heaven but can’t look at their own face in the mirror for once, maybe?
 
Ok well Stewie let's hope for your peace, happiness along with Pakistan' economy and prosperity sake US punishes India.
As an American, I hope for harsh penalties on state sponsored terrorism conducted by India in the US and an end to attempted extra judicial killings of Americans by the Indian government.
 
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No one cares about this empty lander everyone maybe even the Pakistanis deep down know it, they may not admit it but truth is hard for a few lol.

At worst US will use this Emptylander Pannu as a pawn to irritate India everytime the Americans feel the Indians are giving too much support to the Russians or do something that doesn't align the American way..

It wouldn't even surprise me if the Americans themselves one day kill Pannu and try to bring the blame on India depending on how strongly the Americans feel at the time the Indians are not aligning to their liking...

Either way Pannu is dead one day in the near future, either the Indians or the Americans will turn him into chappati and Dhaal 😂

lol Khalistan -= Empty landddd, everytime I hear that word, I die of laughter.... :amir2
Well the Indian Government sure seems to be threatened by the concept of Khalistan.

Why risk ruining foreign relations with US and Canada if this was not even a concern to them? New Delhi doesn’t seem to be dying of laughter now, does it?
 
Well the Indian Government sure seems to be threatened by the concept of Khalistan.

Why risk ruining foreign relations with US and Canada if this was not even a concern to them? New Delhi doesn’t seem to be dying of laughter now, does it?
US or Canada will not risk ruining relations with India over some irrelevant terrorists like the Khalistanis. This is just the left wing Biden and Trudeau supporting each other in the time of need.
 
US or Canada will not risk ruining relations with India over some irrelevant terrorists like the Khalistanis. This is just the left wing Biden and Trudeau supporting each other in the time of need.
Not sure about US. But Canada under Trudeau won't back down from their principal stand. He may downgrade the relations with india if such activities persist in future.
 
US or Canada will not risk ruining relations with India over some irrelevant terrorists like the Khalistanis. This is just the left wing Biden and Trudeau supporting each other in the time of need.
These are activists who are now citizens of US and Canada and I don’t think the Indians here understand how western countries take the safety of their citizens on their own soil seriously.
If this guy was visiting India and got whacked there I’m sure you guys point would stand.

But when India goes so far as to soliciting help to get these guys assassinated on US soil, it becomes a serious matter. American citizenship is not a lallu panju matter like third world countries. They protect their people even if they are alleged criminals or activists or whatever other classification people like to slap on them.
 
These are activists who are now citizens of US and Canada and I don’t think the Indians here understand how western countries take the safety of their citizens on their own soil seriously.
If this guy was visiting India and got whacked there I’m sure you guys point would stand.

But when India goes so far as to soliciting help to get these guys assassinated on US soil, it becomes a serious matter. American citizenship is not a lallu panju matter like third world countries. They protect their people even if they are alleged criminals or activists or whatever other classification people like to slap on them.
Activists do not participate in Terror activities in India. These days everyone is an activist or an influencer.

You think US really cares about Khalistani Terrorists? This is just a bone that Brandon threw at a struggling Trudeau to make him not look like a total clown. Now Trudeau can at least say, hey its not just us that is crazy, even US is saying this.
 
If this guy is a proven criminal, India should go through proper channels and get him extradited to India to stand trial. I don’t see india making any efforts to go through legal channels to get these guys out of Canada or USA. If relations with India are such a big deal for the west and there is any merit to India’s stance on these people, then their legal efforts would bear fruit but I don’t see India even try any such thing. They just tried to use state sponsored terror route.

Makes you wonder if India themselves even believe their stance on these guys is righteous or not, maybe?
 
Not sure about US. But Canada under Trudeau won't back down from their principal stand. He may downgrade the relations with india if such activities persist in future.
India will not miss Canada under Trudeau. Anyway, that dude is on his way out. The next Canadian Government will be more friendly towards India.
 
Activists do not participate in Terror activities in India. These days everyone is an activist or an influencer.

You think US really cares about Khalistani Terrorists? This is just a bone that Brandon threw at a struggling Trudeau to make him not look like a total clown. Now Trudeau can at least say, hey its not just us that is crazy, even US is saying this.
If he is a terrorist then get him extradited. Why use surreptitious methods such as hiring someone in the US and paying him to organize taking someone out?

How is this Biden throwing anyone a bone here by the way? There is visible evidence, and proper court proceedings for attempted murder here. You are making it sound like Biden orchestrated the whole thing to make Trudeau feel better? Lol
How much sense does that make? Did you even read the news report?
 
If this guy is a proven criminal, India should go through proper channels and get him extradited to India to stand trial. I don’t see india making any efforts to go through legal channels to get these guys out of Canada or USA. If relations with India are such a big deal for the west and there is any merit to India’s stance on these people, then their legal efforts would bear fruit but I don’t see India even try any such thing. They just tried to use state sponsored terror route.

Makes you wonder if India themselves even believe their stance on these guys is righteous or not, maybe?
India could not even get Frickin Vijay Malya from UK. Its been 4 years since India has been trying and Mallya is just a financial frauder and not a separatist Terrorist like these Khalistani ones.
 
India could not even get Frickin Vijay Malya from UK. Its been 4 years since India has been trying and Mallya is just a financial frauder and not a separatist Terrorist like these Khalistani ones.
Make up your mind, friend. On one hand you claim India is a mighty enough power that US and Canada cannot afford to ruin foreign relations with them over terrorists.

One the other you admit India has failed at making any progress on achieving their goals of bringing their culprits living in foreign lands to justice.

Which is which?
 
Either you over estimate the claims of indian strength on international stage or ..


These guys are not terrorists like you guys claim
 
These are activists who are now citizens of US and Canada and I don’t think the Indians here understand how western countries take the safety of their citizens on their own soil seriously.
If this guy was visiting India and got whacked there I’m sure you guys point would stand.

But when India goes so far as to soliciting help to get these guys assassinated on US soil, it becomes a serious matter. American citizenship is not a lallu panju matter like third world countries. They protect their people even if they are alleged criminals or activists or whatever other classification people like to slap on them.
Every day, 327 people are shot in the United States. Among those, 117 people are shot and killed. When it comes to 'whacking' people Pakistan, India do not even come close. In the latter two one is more likely to die of cardiovascular issues, disease or maybe a road accident. Getting shot and killed, as Borat would say... America... no.1!

America really protects their people, apart from getting shot and killed, overdose or opioid addiction.
 
It will all die down in a few days, as it did with Trudeau in Canada. No one will be convicted...


This is just some posturing attempt to bully India, and the Indians won't care.
If USA wanted to let it die down, they wouldn't have mentioned it in the first place, they could have just swept it under the carpet and who would have known any better? Bharat is being given warning shots not to get too far ahead of themselves. That too a third world country, imagine what would be the scenario if they posed an actual threat to American interests.
 
Every day, 327 people are shot in the United States. Among those, 117 people are shot and killed. When it comes to 'whacking' people Pakistan, India do not even come close. In the latter two one is more likely to die of cardiovascular issues, disease or maybe a road accident. Getting shot and killed, as Borat would say... America... no.1!

America really protects their people, apart from getting shot and killed, overdose or opioid addiction.
Thanks for trying to take this into a different direction.

For around 2,996 people killed on 911 (the number of people killed domestically in just 25 days), affected country went to war for 22 years and decimated two countries and millions of people.

Domestic murder and crime vs threats from foreign factors on your sovereignty… if you don’t grasp this concept, I have nothing more to say to you.
 
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Make up your mind, friend. On one hand you claim India is a mighty enough power that US and Canada cannot afford to ruin foreign relations with them over terrorists.

One the other you admit India has failed at making any progress on achieving their goals of bringing their culprits living in foreign lands to justice.

Which is which?
India is strong enough to maintain the status quo with the west But both India and West cannot put any additional pressure on each other which can ruin their relations over scoundrels and terrorists.

The weight of India will only increase with time and the balance will slowly shift in India's favor.
 
India is strong enough to maintain the status quo with the west But both India and West cannot put any additional pressure on each other which can ruin their relations over scoundrels and terrorists.

The weight of India will only increase with time and the balance will slowly shift in India's favor.

Based on what? All the innovation comes from the west, until Bharat shows the imagination to start inventing and leading rather than copy and pasting, then the gap will remain. This is the same shortcoming which is evident in other rising economies like China.
 
India is strong enough to maintain the status quo with the west But both India and West cannot put any additional pressure on each other which can ruin their relations over scoundrels and terrorists.

The weight of India will only increase with time and the balance will slowly shift in India's favor.
Maybe they should have waited for that happening then rather than taking out some dude like a third rate mafioso.

Gulla tor ke $100,000 de diey aik serdar ko marwaney Keliey. The jokes will write themselves here.
 
Based on what? All the innovation comes from the west, until Bharat shows the imagination to start inventing and leading rather than copy and pasting, then the gap will remain. This is the same shortcoming which is evident in other rising economies like China.
The difference here is other territories like Puerto Rico want to become the 51st state of the American union whereas the next big super power working on their 150 year plan to become the next US is whacking nothing people like Mumbai gangsters usually do.. and are scared of losing punjab
 
Based on what? All the innovation comes from the west, until Bharat shows the imagination to start inventing and leading rather than copy and pasting, then the gap will remain. This is the same shortcoming which is evident in other rising economies like China.
Mmehh not really! Innovation comes mostly from the US, not the West. Maybe a little in pharma, German auto but absolutely negligible elsewhere. Just look at the stock market, what tech companies does Europe boast of? Not including the UK, where the stock market is turning into a basket case. China, Taiwan, Japan up there after the US. Look at the global R&D spends Amazon, Apple, Alphabet, Samsung, Intel, Tencent.... maybe the German auto giants but little elsewhere. But like I said it's predominantly the US. Nowadays, most of the large Asian economies do much better in innovation than the rest of the West incl. Europe, UK etc..
 
Maybe they should have waited for that happening then rather than taking out some dude like a third rate mafioso.

Gulla tor ke $100,000 de diey aik serdar ko marwaney Keliey. The jokes will write themselves here.
Terrorism does not wait for India to evolve into a bigger power.
 
Based on what? All the innovation comes from the west, until Bharat shows the imagination to start inventing and leading rather than copy and pasting, then the gap will remain. This is the same shortcoming which is evident in other rising economies like China.
Economic power. The bigger the economy, the bigger the clout a country has in world politics.
 
lol@ Brits trying to include themselves as innovative West.

Start competing with Estonia first who would shame all your innovation.

Netherlands Germany are so ahead of UK its not even funny.
 
Mmehh not really! Innovation comes mostly from the US, not the West. Maybe a little in pharma, German auto but absolutely negligible elsewhere. Just look at the stock market, what tech companies does Europe boast of? Not including the UK, where the stock market is turning into a basket case. China, Taiwan, Japan up there after the US. Look at the global R&D spends Amazon, Apple, Alphabet, Samsung, Intel, Tencent.... maybe the German auto giants but little elsewhere. But like I said it's predominantly the US. Nowadays, most of the large Asian economies do much better in innovation than the rest of the West incl. Europe, UK etc..
Netherlands is actually very very good and Estonia as well
 
Facts are, theres millions who can't put food on the table daily in India. What's your take on that
There is poverty in America as well probably much more compared to say England.
It will be an issue if GOI are not addressing it but they are rapidly creating systems to eradicate them.
 
Facts are, theres millions who can't put food on the table daily in India. What's your take on that
Do not conflate the poverty in India with the Economy of India. As bad as poverty in India is, there are millions who can afford expensive life and West will want their money to be spent on their products. There will definitely be competition to gain the market of huge middle and upper middle class India. US and West will want a piece of that pie and will not jeopardize their chances over some irrelevant Sikh separatist.
 
Economic power. The bigger the economy, the bigger the clout a country has in world politics.

For a country with such a bigger economy it's quite a shame that it still looks like Bangladesh. Now I get that you are projecting into the future, maybe very far into the future, but I still don't see much coming out of India which has the rest of the world going WOW!

India is like a giant factory, they can provide the labour and manpower, the leadership and innovation still comes from the west.
 
Thanks for trying to take this into a different direction.

For around 2,996 people killed on 911 (the number of people killed domestically in just 25 days), affected country went to war for 22 years and decimated two countries and millions of people.

Domestic murder and crime vs threats from foreign factors on your sovereignty… if you don’t grasp this concept, I have nothing more to say to you.

2996 people killed, four planes hijacked and flown into three important targets, including the Pentagon and apparently the White house would elicit the same response from the US government as an alleged assassination attempt of one American citizen with a shady background who has threatened to blow up an Indian jet?
I'm sure the US Government has a better idea of scale and commonsense than some people here.
 
Thanks for trying to take this into a different direction.

For around 2,996 people killed on 911 (the number of people killed domestically in just 25 days), affected country went to war for 22 years and decimated two countries and millions of people.
In the process lost around 2,500 of their own men (+ lot more allies and American mercenaries), lost to the Taliban and ran away in the most humiliating manner possible. Hey your example of bravado, not mine.

Your statement on America protecting its people, ie. 'how western countries take the safety of their citizens' hence my point. Americans taking on Americans is fair game, point taken.
 
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2996 people killed, four planes hijacked and flown into three important targets, including the Pentagon and apparently the White house would elicit the same response from the US government as an alleged assassination attempt of one American citizen with a shady background who has threatened to blow up an Indian jet?
I'm sure the US Government has a better idea of scale and commonsense than some people here.
Once again, taking it into a different direction. The example is meant to show the difference between american lives lost at home to foreign powers vs american lives lost overseas. By no means its equating the scale of the two. You have to have pretty poor comprehension skills to arrive at such a conclusion.

Do you believe if someone walks into India and assassinates an Indian there or tries to assassinate an indian, the indian govt will sit still and wont take notice? I am talking about the india from 150 years from now, the goal you are trying to get to, not that the india of today. You guys talk a lot about ghar mein ghuss ker marna, but everybody knows such things only happen in bollywood films.
 
In the process lost around 2,500 of their own men (+ lot more allies and American mercenaries), lost to the Taliban and ran away in the most humiliating manner possible. Hey your example of bravado, not mine.

Your statement on America protecting its people, ie. 'how western countries take the safety of their citizens' hence my point. Americans killing Americans is fair game, point taken.
a friendly suggestion for you: kindly open a separate thread about the mind blowing fallacies of american policies. Lets just not derail this thread. This is an important discussion that should be used to highlight the state sponsored terrorist activities conducted by India in foreign lands. Thank you.
 
a friendly suggestion for you: kindly open a separate thread about the mind blowing fallacies of american policies. Lets just not derail this thread. This is an important discussion that should be used to highlight the state sponsored terrorist activities conducted by India in foreign lands. Thank you.
Hey why blame me, I did not raise the points of how seriously America protects its citizens, or taking revenge on the Taliban etc...

Focussing on the topic. I forsee sanctions against India because it helps Biden hit two birds with a stone. One it teaches India a lesson for their comical stupidity plus he gets to screw staunch Republican donors ie. the Blue family. On the other hand if the 3 dozen odd predator sales goes through (unlikely due to the above mentioned two points), there are more important forces at play here than the life of the Sikh activist.
 
"Take It Very Seriously": US After Indian Charged In Alleged Murder Plot
While speaking at a press briefing, John Kirby said, "India remains a strategic partner, and we are going to continue to work to improve and strengthen that strategic partnership with India."

Washington:
The White House National Security Council spokesperson, John Kirby, stressed on Friday that the US continues to improve its strategic partnership with India. On the other side, he added that the US "takes this very seriously," referring to the indictment by the US Department of Justice against an Indian in an alleged foiled assassination plot.

While speaking at a press briefing, Kirby said, "India remains a strategic partner, and we are going to continue to work to improve and strengthen that strategic partnership with India."

Referring to the US Justice Department indictment of an Indian national in an alleged foiled assassination plot in the US, Kirby added, "At the same time, we take this very seriously. These allegations and this investigation, we take very seriously."

He further said that we are glad to see that India is also taking it seriously by announcing their "own efforts to investigate this."

"We have been clear that we want to see anybody that's responsible for these alleged crimes to be held properly accountable...," Kirby stressed.

The US Department of Justice unsealed an indictment against an Indian national for his alleged involvement in a foiled plot to assassinate a US-based leader of the Sikh Separatist Movement and a citizen in New York.

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Hey why blame me, I did not raise the points of how seriously America protects its citizens, or taking revenge on the Taliban etc...

Focussing on the topic. [/b]I forsee sanctions against India [/b]because it helps Biden hit two birds with a stone. One it teaches India a lesson for their comical stupidity plus he gets to screw staunch Republican donors ie. the Blue family. On the other hand if the 3 dozen odd predator sales goes through (unlikely due to the above mentioned two points), there are more important forces at play here than the life of the Sikh activist.

The US and India do nearly 200 billion dollars worth of trade each year. The Predator drones are a very small part of it. I know America may have gone woke and all that but they still ain't stupid to lose out on good business by sanctioning India. A half witted ex-plumber fantasizing about blowing up airplanes and running his own country is possibly the most expendable thing for the Americans right now.
 
Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), India’s premier intelligence agency, has reportedly halted operations at its North American stations for the first time since its inception in 1968, according to The Print.

The move came in anticipation of impending criminal charges against an Indian citizen accused of conspiring to assassinate a pro-Sikh activist in New York.

The US Justice Department said on Wednesday that an Indian government official directed an unsuccessful plot to assassinate a Sikh separatist on US soil, announcing charges against a man accused of orchestrating the attempted murder.

Federal prosecutors in Manhattan said Nikhil Gupta, 52, worked with the Indian government employee, whose responsibilities included security and intelligence, to assassinate a New York City resident who advocated for a Sikh sovereign state in northern India.

"The defendant conspired from India to assassinate, right here in New York City, a US citizen of Indian origin who has publicly advocated for the establishment of a sovereign state for Sikhs," Damian Williams, the top federal prosecutor in Manhattan, said in a statement.

This comes two months after Canada said there were "credible" allegations linking Indian agents to the June murder of a Sikh separatist leader, Hardeep Singh Nijjar, in a Vancouver suburb, something India has rejected.

Responding to the reports, Pakistan’s Foreign Office had said that the news of India’s involvement in an extrajudicial killing in Canada had shown that the country’s “network of extra-territorial killings had now gone global”.

The Print in its report quoting sources stated that two senior RAW officers were asked to leave their stations in major Western cities earlier this summer, ahead of a decision by United States prosecutors. It added that RAW was also blocked from replacing its station head in Washington DC.

“Expelling the officers was part of a series of moves intended to signal anger against what the United States, Canada and the United Kingdom saw as violations of the unwritten conventions which govern the operations of RAW in those countries,” the report said.

It said that the officers were the head of the RAW station in San Francisco and the second-in-command of its operations in London.

The Print said that the shuttering of RAW’s stations in San Francisco and Washington DC, coming on the back of the publicly-declared expulsion of its station chief in Ottawa, Pavan Rai, has left the Indian agency unrepresented in North America for the first time since it was founded in 1968.

The report stated that the prosecutors in the US claimed that alleged drug dealer Nikhil Gupta was offered up to $150,000 by an individual claiming to work for the Indian intelligence services to arrange the murder of an unnamed Khalistan lawyer and activist.

The Print, quoting sources, said in its report that the expulsion of the RAW officer in San Francisco, the Indian government was intended to underline their message that the US would not cooperate with Indian intelligence if the agency continued offensive operations in the West.

India has complained about the presence of Sikh separatist groups overseas, including Canada and the United States. The groups have kept alive the movement for Khalistan, or the demand for an independent Sikh state to be carved out of India.

Sikh activists were blamed for the 1985 bombing of an Air India Boeing 747 flying from Canada to India that killed all 329 aboard.

Source: Express Tribune

 
It is connecting the Khalistan movement to an international cause. Now, the whole world should look into this matter and stop India from killing innocent Sikhs.
 
It is connecting the Khalistan movement to an international cause. Now, the whole world should look into this matter and stop India from killing innocent Sikhs.

India are actually doing more damage to their own cause by killing Sikhs, innocent or otherwise. With the rise of hindutva, there is a clear drive to blur out any religions which claim separation from the hindu faith the goal being to amalgamate them into Hinduism itself.
 
US prosecutors have charged an Indian man with a plot to kill at least four Sikh separatists in North America. The indictment links the case to the murder of a Canadian citizen earlier this year, and has prompted questions about what US agents knew in the days before his death.

Short presentational grey line on 18 June, Nikhil Gupta watched a video of a Sikh separatist leader who had been shot dead in Canada in his car, his bloody body slumped over the steering wheel.

Mr Gupta then forwarded the video to a man he is accused of hiring as a hitman for another murder, in a different country. On the phone the next day, Mr Gupta told the man that the Canadian activist had been a "target", "#4, #3" on a list.

"We have so many targets," Mr Gupta said. "The good news is this: now no need to wait."

Those alleged conversations were outlined in an indictment unsealed by US prosecutors on Wednesday. The US Justice Department has charged Mr Gupta with an elaborate plot to assassinate a dual US-Canadian citizen based in New York, a plot allegedly directed by an Indian government employee.

While the target was not named by prosecutors, US media reported it was Gurpatwant Singh Pannun, a dual US-Canadian citizen and member of a US-based Sikh separatist group.

That particular scheme was thwarted. The hitman in New York who Mr Gupta allegedly agreed to pay $100,000 was in fact an undercover agent.

But the 15-page charging document also provides new details on the attack that did succeed - the fatal shooting of Hardeep Singh Nijjar in British Columbia. These details raise fresh questions about that murder on Canadian soil, about who knew what, and when.

The brazen killing of Mr Nijjar - a 45-year-old leader who campaigned to establish a Sikh state independent of India - shocked Canadians.

The murder also spun into a diplomatic disaster a few months later in September, when Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said there were "credible allegations" that India had been involved.

Mr Trudeau's accusation - dismissed by India as "absurd" - widened a growing rift between the two countries and the prime minister faced pressure to reveal some of the evidence behind his claims. Speaking on Wednesday, Mr Trudeau said only that the US charges emphasised India's need to take Canada's allegations seriously.

But experts say the US indictment has added weight to his claims.

"Today's proof goes a lot further than what Trudeau said [in September]," Stephanie Carvin, professor of international affairs at Carleton University in Ottawa, told the BBC. "This makes it clear there was a conspiracy to kill four individuals, three in Canada… The killing of Mr Nijjar was not a one-off."

At the time of Mr Trudeau's allegation, the public response from Canada's closest ally seemed muted. US officials expressed concern over the incident but stopped short of either echoing Mr Trudeau's claims or condemning India outright.

We now know the White House knew of the US investigation into the murder-for-hire plot weeks before Mr Trudeau went public after the G20 summit in India. A senior administration official confirmed that President Joe Biden had raised concerns with his Indian counterpart, Narendra Modi, at that same global meeting.

Mr Gupta, US officials allege, was involved in international narcotics and weapons trafficking before he was recruited by an Indian government official in May 2023 to arrange the assassination.

Mr Pannun, an associate of Mr Nijjar, is the general counsel for Sikhs for Justice, an organisation based in the US that supports the broader Khalistan movement, which calls for an independent homeland for Sikhs, who make up about 2% of India's population.

The movement was at its peak in the 1980s in the state of Punjab, which witnessed several violent attacks and deaths. It lost traction after armed forces ran special operations against the movement, which is now banned in India, but supporters in the diaspora have continued their calls for a separate state.

Mr Pannun, like Mr Nijjar, has been designated a terrorist by India, charges they both denied.

For weeks, the indictment alleges, Mr Gupta tracked and monitored Mr Pannun, following orders from the Indian government employee - who described himself in communications as a "senior field officer" with training in "battle craft".
The document reveals how US law enforcement infiltrated the alleged plot, setting him up with a phoney hitman, who was actually an undercover agent.
As the alleged murder plot moved forward, Mr Gupta alluded to a long list of targets that would follow the assassination of Mr Pannun. "More jobs, more jobs", he said in a June phone call, cited in the indictment.
Those prospective "jobs" included cross-border operations. On 12 June, Mr Gupta told the US law enforcement source there was a "big target" in Canada.
Six days after that, on 18 June, Mr Nijjar was shot dead by two gunmen wearing dark clothes with hoods outside a Sikh temple in Surrey, British Columbia.

Canada's national police force, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, are still actively investigating Mr Nijjar's death, and offered no comment in the wake of the US indictment. US prosecutors do not allege any of the accused plotters were involved in that crime, but claim Mr Gupta and his Indian handler discussed it in the immediate aftermath.

Mr Gupta told the Indian government employee he wished he had personally carried out the killing, according to the indictment. Soon after, he called the US law enforcement source, identifying Mr Nijjar as the potential Canadian "job" he had referenced days earlier.

"This is the guy, I send you the video," Mr Gupta said. "Some other guy did this job."

And, court documents suggest, Mr Nijjar's murder seemed to spur Mr Gupta on. He told the US source that Mr Pannun's murder should be done "quickly". And after that was done, Mr Gupta allegedly said, they had three more "jobs" to do before the end of June - all three in Canada.

The details included in Wednesday's indictment have raised new questions about the threats to Canadians, including Mr Nijjar.

Mr Nijjar was reportedly warned by Canadian law enforcement that his life was in danger soon before he was killed. But it's unclear how much that warning was informed by US intelligence on the threat to Canadian citizens gathered through the undercover operation.

"It strikes me as extremely unlikely that any information available to the FBI wouldn't have been made known almost immediately to Canadian authorities," Wesley Wark, a senior fellow at the Centre for International Governance Innovation, told the BBC. He described the Canada-US law enforcement relationship as "very tight and very close".

The more likely story, he said, was that there was less "actionable intelligence" - details that could be reliably acted upon - in the case of Mr Nijjar compared to the case of Mr Pannun.

But why was the US able to thwart a murder plot while Canada was not?

"I think it would be too soon to assume that there was some kind of major breakdown of law enforcement or intelligence on the Canadian side in terms of trying to protect Mr Nijjar," he said.

The reality may be scarier, Mr Wark said. The US indictment - combined with Mr Trudeau's allegations - suggest there may have been multiple hit teams on the loose, with one able to evade detection and carry out its mission.

On Wednesday, the White House confirmed it had raised the alleged plot with the Indian government at the most senior levels, adding that Indian officials responded with "surprise and concern". The Indian government said it had launched an investigation into security concerns raised by the US in relation to the plot.

But neither the US or India will want to undermine their budding diplomatic relationship, said Professor Carvin, the international affairs expert.

"I strongly suspect there were a lot of calls from Washington to Delhi to try and sort this out as quietly and quickly as possible," she said.

While we wait for any diplomatic fallout, Wednesday's revelations have already offered validation to Canadian Sikhs, said Gurpreet Singh, a Sikh journalist and radio host based in British Columbia.

"People generally feel vindicated because this is what we've been saying for a very long time - that the Indian government is interfering, that they're trying to muzzle voices of dissent," he said. "In a way, Hardeep Singh Nijjar has been vindicated posthumously."

Source: BBC

 
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