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Well they definitely played at a different level today, folks were worried for a reason, but let's enjoy this for now, we are in the final, yessss
Don’t rule anyone out in T20 cricket things can go your way and a few wins is all it takes to make the final.
I had doubts over the opening partnership they looked like they failed to deliver but circumstances helped and they played well in the semi final on a UAE type pitch.
There’s one more match to go this will test the team properly hopefully they can overcome this test and win the World Cup the favourites would be England if they play Pakistan.
I had doubts over the opening partnership they looked like they failed to deliver but circumstances helped and they played well in the semi final on a UAE type pitch.
There’s one more match to go this will test the team properly hopefully they can overcome this test and win the World Cup the favourites would be England if they play Pakistan.
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I've said this before and will say it again...
The lack of cricketing knowledge here or just the shear hatred of some of the posters for certain players is astonishing.
The lack of cricketing knowledge here or just the shear hatred of some of the posters for certain players is astonishing.
agree.
Pakistan is blessed to have such great openers, but no, they want sharjeel and fakhars.....
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Had this been on a different pitch the story would have been different. Not everyone is a player worshipper those who were saying to change the opening combination were saying it for the betterment of the PAKISTAN CRICKET TEAM not due to personal hate if these can fire like this every other game and do their job properly don't think anyone will have an issue with this pair
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Credit where it due but have to accept they have been poor . No excuses on that . It’s Pakistan bowling which carry Pakistan through . Batting is still a weak point
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And yet again the criticism on Babar is taken out of context by his fans.
I, and many others have nothing against Babar Azam, the batsman. He is quite easily one of the best Batsmen to represent Pakistan in history and quite possibly. He deserves a place in all formats including T20 cricket but in the right batting position and context.
My criticism is directed towards his role as a captain and his inability to see that we need to change the opening pair. Babars game is best suited for the No.3 role in every way possible, not to forget that the best way to utilize someone like Haris is at the top where a lot of his lofted shots will find the boundary, the same ones that'll land in fielders hands once the powerplay is over.
He isn't a captain. We've seen reinforcing evidence of that over and over. And one good performance at the top doesn't change that fact.
The key to success even today was our bowling attack that has restricted sides to under 160 more than any other bowling attack in the world in the last 2 years. Babar and Rizwan were excellent today but is that a strategy that can work long term , specially in situations when yer chasing 180 and above?. No.
I, and many others have nothing against Babar Azam, the batsman. He is quite easily one of the best Batsmen to represent Pakistan in history and quite possibly. He deserves a place in all formats including T20 cricket but in the right batting position and context.
My criticism is directed towards his role as a captain and his inability to see that we need to change the opening pair. Babars game is best suited for the No.3 role in every way possible, not to forget that the best way to utilize someone like Haris is at the top where a lot of his lofted shots will find the boundary, the same ones that'll land in fielders hands once the powerplay is over.
He isn't a captain. We've seen reinforcing evidence of that over and over. And one good performance at the top doesn't change that fact.
The key to success even today was our bowling attack that has restricted sides to under 160 more than any other bowling attack in the world in the last 2 years. Babar and Rizwan were excellent today but is that a strategy that can work long term , specially in situations when yer chasing 180 and above?. No.
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This is exactly the reason for people saying it not because of personal hatred remember the openers have failed 90% of the time in tournaments and it requires the right conditions for them to succeed.
Some people think it’s other reasons and resort to personal attacks instead of focusing on facts and figures that’s what counts today was only the second time the openers have done well in tournaments while failing in a dozen other matches.
Nobody has personal hatred for players they want what’s best for the team and it required a big slice of luck for the team to qualify it would’ve been easier had the team combination changed at the start of the tournament.
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We have produced one decent player in the last 20 years and our (some)fickle fans have been carping like a bitter old lady. Well done Babar, Riz and the boys, now bring it home
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Well done our bowlers again
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Babar is good player in all conditions, he has scored 100s in Australia against quick bowlers, on bouncy wickets.
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Congratulations to Pakistan fans for the win and proving that Babar and Rizwan have once again showed that they are beasts indeed when the chase is close to 150 runs. Definitely this makes them better than the South African openers who failed to chase 158 vs Netherlands. 
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Need to win the Final to make it more salty for the haters.
Nonetheless great achievement. Rising from the dead.
Nonetheless great achievement. Rising from the dead.
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They have played well in some matches and Wasim/Haris inclusions after the first game have benefited them. But tbf they needed quite a bit of luck (rain washing out SA's match vs Zim and Netherlands defeating SA) to get to the semis.
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Agreed.
What's actually "astonishing" is the fact that it's so easy for the usual green tinted hype brigade to get their heads in the clouds.
What they fail to realise is we've been here before. For example when we lost the Asia Cup final because of this opening pair, it didn't take long for this to be forgotten when they managed to chase 200+ in a ten wicket win against England's C string bowling attack.
The harsh reality is RizBar have been a let down in the shortest format for 90% of the time in important T20I matches including last year's WT20 SF, Asia Cup final and were absolute garbage in the group stage. Their first match winning partnership/contribution in a T20 knockout game doesn't change that.
We can't forget Pakistan made it to the semis because SA bottled it against a non-test playing nation otherwise the same set of fans would've turned on them if we were knocked out of the competition at this stage.
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Over criticizing after two failures.
Over hyping after chasing a small target with 120 SR.
Knee jerk reactions are common in PP. Both are not good.
Over hyping after chasing a small target with 120 SR.
Knee jerk reactions are common in PP. Both are not good.
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[MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION], 27/10/22:
Babar and Rizwan have been coasting against B and C string sides in meaningless bilateral games.
It's amazing how many Pakistan fans had their heads in the clouds after that 10 wicket win against a very weak England side. The green tinted hype brigade got so carried away, they were saying things like "where are the Babar/Rizwan critics hiding?" It was as if the Asia Cup never happened.
Well today they've finally woken up and all of a sudden wanna jump ship.
[MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] Remember when you were getting all smug after that successful wicketless 200+ run chase against England? Funny how all of your predictions always comes come back to bite you in the backside.
Babar and Rizwan have been coasting against B and C string sides in meaningless bilateral games.
It's amazing how many Pakistan fans had their heads in the clouds after that 10 wicket win against a very weak England side. The green tinted hype brigade got so carried away, they were saying things like "where are the Babar/Rizwan critics hiding?" It was as if the Asia Cup never happened.
Well today they've finally woken up and all of a sudden wanna jump ship.
[MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] Remember when you were getting all smug after that successful wicketless 200+ run chase against England? Funny how all of your predictions always comes come back to bite you in the backside.
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Also, [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION], 27/10/22:
I remember how the likes of [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] had their heads in the clouds after chasing 200+ in that 10 wicket win against England C bowling attack.
Pakistan fans and their green tinted delusion is something else!
I remember how the likes of [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] had their heads in the clouds after chasing 200+ in that 10 wicket win against England C bowling attack.
Pakistan fans and their green tinted delusion is something else!
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The bowlers set it up.
What a performance.
to restrict NZ to around 150 is a great performance.
What a performance.
to restrict NZ to around 150 is a great performance.
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There's really no need for this though. It would be like explaining to a 5 year old how quantum physics work. They don't understand cricket so why waste time explaining?
Babar and Rizwan have delivered so many slaps to people who expect Buttler every single game that even these humiliations have lost their impact by now. A person can get used to being wrong so much that it doesn't even bother them anymore.
[MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION] - in future you might want to wait until the end of a tournament before making any predictions in future.
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Hold your horses? We're in the final. How about for once in your life you try to put your childish obsession with Rizwan and Babar aside and support this team...that is, if you really are a fan and aren't more concerned about being right than you are about us winning the World Cup.
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Me having a cricketing view on RizBab doesn’t mean I am not supporting this side
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I got off the BabRiz bandwagon recently. Not getting back on anytime soon, but well-played! We have seen glimpses of their class several times in the past, but imo they are not suited to T20.
They should still be persisted with for now, and the team should be rebuilt around them using England's approach. Players in Haris' mold should be prioritized, but we need more consistency and less dot-playing. Once BabRiz become the Kane Williamson of their side, the decision to continue with them should be re-evaluated.
They should still be persisted with for now, and the team should be rebuilt around them using England's approach. Players in Haris' mold should be prioritized, but we need more consistency and less dot-playing. Once BabRiz become the Kane Williamson of their side, the decision to continue with them should be re-evaluated.
We reached there by luck and we gotta accept that.
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You've just proved my point.
We haven't even won the tournament and you're already on cloud 9.This is just a reflection of the embarrassing small team mentality and delusion of Pakistan fans like yourself.
Also, I'll mention again that RizBar first match winning contribution in a T20 knockout game doesn't change the fact that they're serial failures in important T20I matches as evident by their performances in last year's WT20 SF, Asia Cup final and the group stage games of this tournament.
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It's time to adjust this viewpoint though.
Babar may not be the most tactically astute captain we've had (though he is clearly learning). But he does know how to galvanise a team and get everybody giving 100%.
A tight slap from Babar to Wasim Akran who had the cheek to criticise him when he presided over an era of egos, infighting, partying before games, match fixing and deliberate underperformance to make others look bad.
Babar has won the battle against Wasim Akram and he did it with pure class - by letting the team he leads do the talking.
What luck? What are you on about?
By that logic the matches we lose, we also lose by luck? Other teams make mistakes too. We've made lesser mistakes than them hence we're here.
That's true, but we aren't the only team to benefit from luck in World Cups. Look at the ricochet off Stokes' bat in 2019 WC Final.
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No such thing as luck...only Qudrat Ka Nizam (I'm gonna have that printed on a t-shirt!)
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For the record, I'm not even a supporter of this Rizwan-Babar combo. But the kind of criticism that certain posters dish out here is as ludicrous as it is hilarious. They go to extreme lengths to downplay the quality of this team, which is by no means, perfect. And it's beyond ironic how @topsin 's comments have come back to bite him in the backside.
If he has any guts, he will admit that he was wrong. And should have thought carefully before making the comments that he made.
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Another Pakistan fan who's got his head in the clouds even though we haven't even won the tournament yet.
Green tinted hype brigade acting as if we're favourites to win the final. I genuinely hope we win but if we don't and RizBar fail, you and deadwood will be butt of all jokes on here.
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Most hoping for a Pakistan loss to prove their points
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Nah mate, actually your comments came back to bite you in the backside. Just admit it and move on instead of acting like a petulant child.
Look at the comments you made on Rizwan and Babar and look at how badly they have been proven wrong. Might actually be time for you to "jump ship", I reckon.
Also, think long and hard about mentioning me the next time. Because I won't be as nice as I am this time around.
and if we win with Rizbar than?
Without Netherlands we would not be in the Semi’s.
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Again you're acting like we've won the tournament. Come back to Earth for one minute.
Lets look at the facts, in important T20 games, this how these two have fared:
In games failed - 2021 WT20 SF, 2022 Asia Cup Final and ever single 2022 WT20 group stage game.
That's 7 matches in total.
In games succeeded - 2021 WT20 vs India and today.
They've performed in 2 matches.
That success rate is 2 out of 9 matches which is 22% and more importantly we haven't even won the tournament.
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If one of Rizwan and Babar do well and we win, I'll happily admit Babar and Rizwan have proven me wrong.
But as of now their success rate in important T20 matches is very low (see above) with no trophies.
Will you do the same for SKY?
That's a false logic. SA played poorly and lost against Netherlands. Overall Pakistan had more points than them in the group and they went through. Where's the luck?
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I'll jump ship if one of Babar and Rizwan performs well and Pakistan wins the final.
Until then, as mentioned in the above post, their success rate in important games is too low for my liking and to have "come back and bite me in the backside".
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And some more heartburn coming up ....
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Keep chirping mate. Won't change a single thing. Unlike you, I am a real fan who celebrates when my team wins. And I don't need the advice of a malcontent like you on how to feel.
I do feel sorry for you, though. If this is how you live your life as a cricket fan, where you can't even celebrate our side reaching the final in empathic fashion, then I seriously question why you would even watch this sport or support this team to begin with.
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Completely agree with this. It should never be about point scoring.
I mean the criticism of RizBar have been valid purely for cricketing reasons. For example, before today's game him and Rizwan had the slowest run rate during the powerplay overs in the history of the T20 format.
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Heartburn for some, euphoria for others. Funny how both parties comprise of Pakistan supporters.
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Lol, please show me any reputable list of stats which shows "trophies won" as a parameter for success
I know it hurts but you can control the limit to which you sink. It's ok to admit you are wrong and i'll respect you a lot for it.
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Oh the irony...
What exactly were you doing then when you mentioned me in the Pakistan-Zimbabwe thread? That wasn't point-scoring, right?
There's a difference between criticism and what you said, where you specifically targeted other posters (like me) and their comments. You could have said something less inflammatory instead of going overboard. And now that karma has come back to bite you in the backside, you're conciliatory.
Like I said, there's a lesson here for the likes of you. I hope you learn it.
Sorry, but this argument doesnt apply on everyone.
You see, when we support a team, offcourse a player will never perform everyday, he will have bad days. Issue is as soon as Rizwan and Babar had a slump. Instead of backing them people says drop him, throw them out of the team.
No one is ready to accept no one is gonna talk about that they must be down why not back them.
This argument that we support the same team doesnt mean the same thing. There is a difference in criticism against ours and others.
Other people want to promote their favorite's, while many of us dont have favorites'.
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Beautiful pictures. I was guilty of some pessimism and doubts but always have Pakistan wanting to win as the ultimate goal.
I was wrong on some things and now fully back the boys....
I was wrong on some things and now fully back the boys....
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See this is the thing whenever you're challenged and you have no counter argument you just have to divert to some nonsense about me not celebrating my team wins. But lets discuss this point right here as you've brought this up.
I'm ecstatic that we've won but you just don't get it do you? I'm staying grounded because we haven't won the tournament yet.
Also, it's unreasonable for me to jump ship when our success rate in important T20Is is so low with no major tournament wins to show for it, not even an Asia Cup as yet.
But if one of Babar or Rizwan perform in the final and we win, I'll admit I was wrong and we can move on.
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Lol, please show me any reputable list of stats which shows "trophies won" as a parameter for success
I know it hurts but you can control the limit to which you sink. It's ok to admit you are wrong and i'll respect you a lot for it.
Why are you ignoring the low success rate in important T20I games?
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5 fails and one good performance and now we have to do his pooja? And are people forgetting that Babar was dropped on 0? And yes he played well after that, however the criticism of him is that he and Rizwan don't make a good opening pair, and he should come down the order. Not that he should be dropped. The idea that Babar batting at #3 and not as opener should not be seen as an insult, and does not make one a hater.
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Like I said, I couldn't care less about the advice of a malcontent like yourself. I am on cloud 9 and will be there till the final begins. Because I'm a fan, not a guy who considers himself to be an analyst or a pundit. Nor am I someone who is obsessed with being right, even when I have been badly and empathetically proven wrong.
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Yeah, but even if we do win, he is just going to say it's a fluke. So it's not like anything he says actually matters.
there is 2 years of performance that deserves pooja. Its funny how you take 5 matches but dont like at the past two years.
Pakistan has reached the finals, thats what matters and the strategy worked
They have hatred because both Babar and Rizwan are world class. Have said many times its a classic Pakistani trait to hate and be jealous against your own. Its the one thing we do really well.
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I will give you the refit of the doubt and have you in the least knowledgable category as opposed to jus being a hater of certain players.
You are wrong.
Anyone with a little bit of cricketing sense will tell you that Babar and Rizwan are pure class. Three hundred partnerships (two prior to this) is not because of some fluke.
Have they been out of form. Yes they have. Could one of them have dropped down the order. Yes they probably could have. BUT the best chance of doing well going forward is by having your two best batsman in form. It takes a brave captain and management team to keep with the same openers.
They did and both players hit form.
On any wicket, anywhere in the world, you want to have an inform Babar and Rizwan batting at the top pf the order. Its really as simple as that. Every top pundit outside of Pakistan take this view and we should all be grateful that its finally happened because they got us over the line in the Semi and it gives us our best chance of winning the trophy.
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I note you're very good at running away from things you can't handle.
It was a simple request. Show me the list, or justify why it is important.
Or just admit you were wrong. It actually takes a bigger man to do that.
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The funny thing is that these 50s at a SR 130 are not good performances for Babar and Rizwan. They are more or less normal performances for them, given that’s what they average around overall. That alone goes to show how good these two are.
People have made out that these low scores at sub 100sr are the norm for these two. It isn’t otherwise they would average that. These games early in the world cups were simply a few bad scores. Had Babar and Rizwan performed to their usual standard in the early matches, we would have comfortably beaten India and Zimbabwe.
On the other hand we are led to believe guys who average 15 at a few points higher in SR would somehow regularly score and dominate matches. Those guys hardly win us matches consistently as a result as they only turn up once in a blue moon. Babar and rizwans consistency puts us in a more favourable position to win a match nearly every/every other match. That is far more preferable than waiting 15 games for the unreliable guy to finally win us a match single-handedly.
People have made out that these low scores at sub 100sr are the norm for these two. It isn’t otherwise they would average that. These games early in the world cups were simply a few bad scores. Had Babar and Rizwan performed to their usual standard in the early matches, we would have comfortably beaten India and Zimbabwe.
On the other hand we are led to believe guys who average 15 at a few points higher in SR would somehow regularly score and dominate matches. Those guys hardly win us matches consistently as a result as they only turn up once in a blue moon. Babar and rizwans consistency puts us in a more favourable position to win a match nearly every/every other match. That is far more preferable than waiting 15 games for the unreliable guy to finally win us a match single-handedly.
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Whilst some may be calling for a truce/ceasefire on this great and blessed day of rejoice
I am not. I will not abandon my beliefs which I know in my soul are as a true supporter of this team and not because I hate individuals
So all of you who have been coming for me in the past, keep coming at me now as well.
I’ll take all of you on alone if I must
I am not. I will not abandon my beliefs which I know in my soul are as a true supporter of this team and not because I hate individuals
So all of you who have been coming for me in the past, keep coming at me now as well.
I’ll take all of you on alone if I must
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That's not how it went down and you assume wrong about me "point scoring"
I criticised their batting because of what happened in the Asia Cup Final and rightly so because it was atrocious. Also, it wasn't an one-off as they batted slowly in another important game during last year's WT20 Semi.
After Babar and Rizwan chased 200+ against England in that 10 wicket win, it was actually you who decided to score points and get all toxic.
I then responded to that after we lost against Zimbabwe not to prove a point but get you to understand how easy it is for fans like yourself to forget a series of bad performances in important matches after a meaningless win in a bilateral game against a B/C string bowling attack.
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Was it because of Babar or our elite bowling?
And tournaments matter far more than useless bilaterals. And alot of those bilaterals were against the "B" or even "C" team.
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We should be balanced in both the praise and criticism and stop with this mentality of us v them.
And we should also not get too negtive and not arrogant either. When Pakistan were bowling I read so many posts where posters had given up, some even said score over 130 is beyound our reach, and many said 150+ was too much for Pakistan to chase. We saw what happend in the end.
But then again when Pakistan was going well in PP, people forgot that we are playing against a very good side and anything coulf still have happened, some got too arrogant.
Babar and Rizwan have not had a good tournament so far, fair enough and they deserve criticism for that, but with their form last 12-18 months you knew a good knock was around the corner and they need the backing since they are representing the country.
Again, if they fail in final, all the axes will be out. Let's just support them for now and hope Pakistan can win this cup
And we should also not get too negtive and not arrogant either. When Pakistan were bowling I read so many posts where posters had given up, some even said score over 130 is beyound our reach, and many said 150+ was too much for Pakistan to chase. We saw what happend in the end.
But then again when Pakistan was going well in PP, people forgot that we are playing against a very good side and anything coulf still have happened, some got too arrogant.
Babar and Rizwan have not had a good tournament so far, fair enough and they deserve criticism for that, but with their form last 12-18 months you knew a good knock was around the corner and they need the backing since they are representing the country.
Again, if they fail in final, all the axes will be out. Let's just support them for now and hope Pakistan can win this cup
Gharib Aadmi
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Are people jealous of Afridi? He is in my opinion our best player.
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Big slap to the haters from babar today
Congrats to pakistan and all true fans
Remember form is temporary, class is permanent
Congrats to pakistan and all true fans
Remember form is temporary, class is permanent
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Lol at those fans who called Babar and Rizwan stats padders.
Stats tou Aaj Pad hue hain
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Aaik Aik kar ke so
Tera bhai sab ke liye Akela kaafi hai
Tera bhai sab ke liye Akela kaafi hai
See this is a fan right here who can have an opinion but still back the team when they DO win.
There are many internal snakes among the grass that care more for themselves and their forum brownie points than seeing Pakistan have a successful moment.
These brothers should be called out handsomely as they will sing from the rooftops and arrogantly boast at heartbroken fans if we lose.
We're only fans, nothing more and we should know our place.
Both, its a team sport, and babars good batting helped us clear the line.
Have you watched those series? Pakistan has defeated both there b and A team with its same team.
Its not like we won against their b and c team and lost against the A team in the world cup.
Just excuses you want to hate the team.
Point is, these strategy bought us to final.
Haters can cry
With respect
Why the (insert size 72 font 4 letter word) should anyone care what some hater says about it?
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