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Manchester United completed the £36m signing of Monaco forward Anthony Martial, making him the world's most expensive teenage footballer. The fee could rise to £58m.

This is what Arsene Wenger had to say about the signing "The problem at the moment is finding the players that guarantee you are a better team."

He added: "What happened last night with Monaco, who sold Martial to Manchester United for 80 million euros - Martial scored 11 goals in the French championship - that sums it up well.

"That means it's not the money that's missing at the moment, it's not the desire of investment that is missing, it's the number of players available who can strengthen the big clubs."

What are your thoughts on the signing of Martial?
 
Well its a gamble but hes a talented kid whos going to develop and is already better than Sterling and City paid £49M for him.
 
Well its a gamble but hes a talented kid whos going to develop and is already better than Sterling and City paid £49M for him.

This post is not even funny. Players like Anthony are present in dozens in City academy only. First it was Depay is better than Sterling and now this. United is a club living in delusion.

Aguero> whole United team.
 
You pay what the market demands.
 
true, heres what vice president of monaco says:
http://www.goal.com/en/news/11/tran...neymar-money-for-martial?ICID=TP_HN_HP_RI_1_2

Thats a massive increase, looks like a desperate buy or maybe other clubs wre looking at him.

Thing is man utd fans have always laughed at clubs like ,city,chelsea - saying they spend too much and have increase value off the market- being sugar daddy clubs, but when they do it - very quiet isn't it

Man United does it from the funds the club generates through fans and sponsorship

Man City and Chelsea do it through their owners' wealth and hence are rightly called sugar daddy clubs
 
This post is not even funny. Players like Anthony are present in dozens in City academy only. First it was Depay is better than Sterling and now this. United is a club living in delusion.

Aguero> whole United team.

Typical 12 year old response what you can only expect from a City boy.

You have so many Anthony's in your academy yet you spend £49M on inferior products. Now who is delusional.
 
You pay what the market demands.

In this case united have had their pants taken down and been spanked! they have paid way to much money for an unknown and unproven player.
 
In this case united have had their pants taken down and been spanked! they have paid way to much money for an unknown and unproven player.

He is certainly not unknown. Unproven maybe but in footballing circles he has been tipped to be among the best for a few years now.

I def think it is a good deal in terms of buying talent.

Whether financiallly its a good deal is a debate. I would say no. There is not lot of upside. If he fails then we lose a lot of money but if he comes off then the fee rises upto 58MM pounds. Now the problem here is that there wont be a much of a return because even if he goes to the next level it might go upto 70MM pounds which means that a potential profit on the deal is not good.

In short I am not happy with the numbers. But in terms of potential the lad is right up there with among the best young players in Europe in the last 10 years.
 
There you have it, yet some deluded city fans still think hes not worth it yet pay £49M for Sterling.
 
Here we go again. Name me a single player from United that would make it to City's team. About Raheem Sterling yes he didn't score too many goals as yet but that's since he's surrounded by superstars all around. Iheancho scored with his touch yesterday against the toughest team in the league yesterday yet you don't see any City fan going on about how he is better than this and that from United. It's really simple, City is a team that looks to match the standards of Barca and Madrid.
 
I think Man U might have got a bargain here. His goal was phenomenal yesterday!
 
Here we go again. Name me a single player from United that would make it to City's team. About Raheem Sterling yes he didn't score too many goals as yet but that's since he's surrounded by superstars all around. Iheancho scored with his touch yesterday against the toughest team in the league yesterday yet you don't see any City fan going on about how he is better than this and that from United. It's really simple, City is a team that looks to match the standards of Barca and Madrid.

Yeh youve been matching those standards in the champions league... Also de gea would get in your team i would take darmian over sagna and a struggling zabeleta shaw over clichy and kolarov. Also carrick/sweiny/snidedlin would get in your midfield over the crap u have there bar yaya toure. I would take your front 4 for sure. Not as one sided as u make out lets see how u react to an aguero injury if hes missing for a month or two u will struggle for goals.
 
Here we go again. Name me a single player from United that would make it to City's team. About Raheem Sterling yes he didn't score too many goals as yet but that's since he's surrounded by superstars all around. Iheancho scored with his touch yesterday against the toughest team in the league yesterday yet you don't see any City fan going on about how he is better than this and that from United. It's really simple, City is a team that looks to match the standards of Barca and Madrid.

Yes you match standards of RM and Barca but cant even get past the group stages in CL.

FACT, is you wasted £49M on an over hyped over rated english player. Whereas we paid £36M for a future potential great.
 
Lastly, alot of our players would get into your team, GK-DeGea, LB-Shaw, CD-Smalling, RB-Darmian, CM-Carrick, CM-Schweinsteiger, CM-Schienderlin, CAM-Rooney, RM-Mata and then anyone from Depay, Young, Martial would replace Sterling.

Infact from your team, only Aguero, Silva, Toure, Kompany can make it in MU. De Bryne and Ottamendi ofcourse still have to prove themselves here in EPL.
 
Lastly, alot of our players would get into your team, GK-DeGea, LB-Shaw, CD-Smalling, RB-Darmian, CM-Carrick, CM-Schweinsteiger, CM-Schienderlin, CAM-Rooney, RM-Mata and then anyone from Depay, Young, Martial would replace Sterling.

Infact from your team, only Aguero, Silva, Toure, Kompany can make it in MU. De Bryne and Ottamendi ofcourse still have to prove themselves here in EPL.

Well said bro
 
Lastly, alot of our players would get into your team, GK-DeGea, LB-Shaw, CD-Smalling, RB-Darmian, CM-Carrick, CM-Schweinsteiger, CM-Schienderlin, CAM-Rooney, RM-Mata and then anyone from Depay, Young, Martial would replace Sterling.

Infact from your team, only Aguero, Silva, Toure, Kompany can make it in MU. De Bryne and Ottamendi ofcourse still have to prove themselves here in EPL.

I think kompany,otamendi(rate him although not pl proven) yaya,silva, de byune, sterling, aguero would get in uniteds team atm but smalling has been a beast this year he would challenge the 2 cbs. Also sterling isnt worth 49m but hes pl proven so ill take him over depay mata isnt a good rw he is best at no 10 but i wouldnt take him over Silva. De bryune is a fantastic player who i believe will be better then sterling so i would take him.
 
Lastly, alot of our players would get into your team, GK-DeGea, LB-Shaw, CD-Smalling, RB-Darmian, CM-Carrick, CM-Schweinsteiger, CM-Schienderlin, CAM-Rooney, RM-Mata and then anyone from Depay, Young, Martial would replace Sterling.

Infact from your team, only Aguero, Silva, Toure, Kompany can make it in MU. De Bryne and Ottamendi ofcourse still have to prove themselves here in EPL.

de Gea, Shaw, Darmian, Smalling (current form, Otamendi can easily prove to be better) are the only players who'll get into the Man City lineup.

Silva wipes the floor with Rooney as a CAM and Aguero wipes the floor with Rooney as a ST, so your captain fantastic can only make Man City's bench, and that's the truth whether you believe it or not.

Toure and Fernandinho have been brilliant and none of your CMs will be able to replace them at the moment. Carrick and Bastian's best days are behind them although Morgan S is very good, but Man City have been very good in the middle of the park.

Mata cannot start for Man City, he'd be a backup. Silva is a better CAM than him and although KDB is untested yet, he is a terrific player and much more suited than Mata on the flanks. He has better pace, dribbling and movement.

Lol at Depay, Young and Martial would replace Sterling. Depay is a poor man's Sanchez and hasn't proved himself to be a better player than Sterling yet, who has had a slow start but he's a proven performer and the hottest young English player. Yes they have overpaid but what do you expect for a young English player in today's market, when you look at what you paid for Martial. The irony is lost somewhere.

Young? A player who has been deeply mediocre for years has had a good year or so and is 30 already. Yes they will take him over a player who has far greater potential and is 10 years younger. Only reason you think Sterling is overrated is because of his association with the two clubs you hate the most, if he was at Man United, he would have been the next big thing.

The typical Man United hype machine at it again - one cracking goal and Martial is a future great - give the kid a couple of seasons and then judge, don't put undue pressure on him. I've liked what I seen but it is way too early. Interestingly, Man United young attackers all follow the same trend: they start with a bang, are dubbed as future stars by the fans, and then fade away. Macheda, Welbeck, Hernandez, Januzaj etc. all made an immediate impact but failed to deliver in the long run. Let's see if Martial bucks that trend and goes onto become a success.

According to you, only 4 Man City players can make it to your team yet they will be the one winning the PL in the end while your best shot for silverware this season are the domestic cups. Now isn't this funnily ironic. Yet, you blame Man City fans for being deluded.
 
de Gea, Shaw, Darmian, Smalling (current form, Otamendi can easily prove to be better) are the only players who'll get into the Man City lineup.

Silva wipes the floor with Rooney as a CAM and Aguero wipes the floor with Rooney as a ST, so your captain fantastic can only make Man City's bench, and that's the truth whether you believe it or not.

Toure and Fernandinho have been brilliant and none of your CMs will be able to replace them at the moment. Carrick and Bastian's best days are behind them although Morgan S is very good, but Man City have been very good in the middle of the park.

Mata cannot start for Man City, he'd be a backup. Silva is a better CAM than him and although KDB is untested yet, he is a terrific player and much more suited than Mata on the flanks. He has better pace, dribbling and movement.

Lol at Depay, Young and Martial would replace Sterling. Depay is a poor man's Sanchez and hasn't proved himself to be a better player than Sterling yet, who has had a slow start but he's a proven performer and the hottest young English player. Yes they have overpaid but what do you expect for a young English player in today's market, when you look at what you paid for Martial. The irony is lost somewhere.

Young? A player who has been deeply mediocre for years has had a good year or so and is 30 already. Yes they will take him over a player who has far greater potential and is 10 years younger. Only reason you think Sterling is overrated is because of his association with the two clubs you hate the most, if he was at Man United, he would have been the next big thing.

The typical Man United hype machine at it again - one cracking goal and Martial is a future great - give the kid a couple of seasons and then judge, don't put undue pressure on him. I've liked what I seen but it is way too early. Interestingly, Man United young attackers all follow the same trend: they start with a bang, are dubbed as future stars by the fans, and then fade away. Macheda, Welbeck, Hernandez, Januzaj etc. all made an immediate impact but failed to deliver in the long run. Let's see if Martial bucks that trend and goes onto become a success.

According to you, only 4 Man City players can make it to your team yet they will be the one winning the PL in the end while your best shot for silverware this season are the domestic cups. Now isn't this funnily ironic. Yet, you blame Man City fans for being deluded.

Firstly, Rooney would fit in the team, because if hes there you would have to accommodate him by shifting Silva to the left or right.

Secondy, Toure is only in on current form otherwise he wouldnt be here either and then you can only be a waste man if you think Fernandinho would be picked ahead of any of Carrick, Bastian or Schneiderlin. Yes Carrick and Bastian have aged but still they are far far better than Fernandinho.

As for Mata, if Debryne does do well, you would have to put Mata on the other side because only an idiot will pick Sterling ahead of him.

As for Depay you are only assessing him on 5 games, (its obvious you havnt seen him before), the talent is there and he is just adjusting to the EPL, He has already done better at PSV than what Sanchez did at Udinese and was no better when he was 21, so try and speak with some logic next time rather then hate.

As for calling Sterling proven i dont know how you have come to that conclusion, as Martial already has slightly better stats then him for last season at Monaco and they played the same number of game. Maybe you read too much of Daily Mail.

As for hating, i dont base my opinions on hate like you, i support football and will appreciate great football when its played which i do, e.g Courtinho, Aguero, Silva, Kompany. But one thing is CRYSTAL CLEAR Sterling is an average footballer who only has pace and thats it. I bet you he wouldn't even be in your starting 11 in a few months time.

...and Young has been average for a few years but right now he is playing the best football of his life and is in good form.

As for comparing Martial to players like Macheda, Welbeck, Hernandez, Januzaj, then you dont know what your talking about. Martial was already known as a top talented and a future great prospect, he was on the radar for all major clubs, apparently Mourinho put in a similar offer as us for him. Which is different to all other players because they were not heard of before they made there debuts here and then yes like all clubs and supporters we hype our players like all supporters do. Unfortunatly a city fan will never understand that as you hardly have any home grown players and your academy has been a joke for decades.

As for winning the season, its a bit to earlier for that so hold your pants kids, we will come back to that in May unless you havnt run off in embarrassment.
 
Too soon to say anything. I like what I say the other day. He can become what Falcao failed to
 
United fans be like De Bruyne and Otamendi haven't proven themselves in PL yet Depay is better than Sterling since he has better records over the last year lol. De Gea would probably be gone next January and people are probably forgetting Zaba has been the best right back for many years now and is actually injured right now. Left back position is the only position you guys make case for.
 
Actually Nasri who cannot start in City now is a far better player than the likes of Carrick , Fellaini, Herrera, Schneiderlin, Mata and an over the hill Shweinestiger. Only Rooney is better.

De Bruyne, Silva(top 5 player whole world), Aguero, Toure are players which would start in clubs like Barca and Madrid. Who do you have? Don't say De Gea because he doesn't want to be there and you forced him into staying.
 
Here we go again. Name me a single player from United that would make it to City's team. About Raheem Sterling yes he didn't score too many goals as yet but that's since he's surrounded by superstars all around. Iheancho scored with his touch yesterday against the toughest team in the league yesterday yet you don't see any City fan going on about how he is better than this and that from United. It's really simple, City is a team that looks to match the standards of Barca and Madrid.

De Gea, Darmian, Shaw, Rojo (last season), Smalling (current form) will walk into Man City;s team

lol at matching standards of Barca and Real.

Try to get to QF of champions league first
 
De Gea, Darmian, Shaw, Rojo (last season), Smalling (current form) will walk into Man City;s team

lol at matching standards of Barca and Real.

Try to get to QF of champions league first

Lol you are forgetting people called Kompany and otamendi play for Manchester city. I didn't say City has matched the standards I am saying they're perfectly on their way
 
Firstly, Rooney would fit in the team, because if hes there you would have to accommodate him by shifting Silva to the left or right.

No, that is your delusion. He might still be a superstar for you but he is no longer the player he once was. Moving the best CAM in the PL to the right just accommodate a past it Rooney when he is not as good as him in this position is not the best idea in the world. Your captain and talisman is not good enough to start for Man City, simply because Man City has the best ST and CAM in the PL, and those are the only two positions Rooney can fit in.

Rooney will still walk into every other PL XI.

Secondy, Toure is only in on current form otherwise he wouldnt be here either and then you can only be a waste man if you think Fernandinho would be picked ahead of any of Carrick, Bastian or Schneiderlin. Yes Carrick and Bastian have aged but still they are far far better than Fernandinho.

Yaya Toure is a true box-to-box midfielder with endless energy, and Man City will look at someone like Pogba to replace him. Similarly, Fernandinho is more dynamic than Carrick, Bastian and Morgan S. His attacking contribution has been very good, and the names you mentioned might be better than him but they do not fit into the current setup of Man City; to accommodate any of them, City will have to change their playing style and tactics drastically, and it might not work. There is a reason why they didn't show any interest in signing Bastian and Morgan S, and if you offer them Carrick they'll probably turn him down, so no they won't walk into the playing XI of Man City as you think.
As for Mata, if Debryne does do well, you would have to put Mata on the other side because only an idiot will pick Sterling ahead of him.

Mata is a lovely footballer, my favorite in Man United at the moment, but he is a central player and that is where he's at his best; he has played out wide many times but he does not have the pace, energy and movement for those positions. His passing and vision is excellent and they are better utilized in the middle.

KDB on the other hand is a better dribbler, quicker and more combative. Time will tell if he's a better footballer than Mata, but he's certainly a better option out wide.

As for Depay you are only assessing him on 5 games, (its obvious you havnt seen him before), the talent is there and he is just adjusting to the EPL, He has already done better at PSV than what Sanchez did at Udinese and was no better when he was 21, so try and speak with some logic next time rather then hate.

You are the only one showing irrational hate here with your comments about Sterling. Depay is a very good talent who has been great for PSV, but he has shown nothing yet to suggest that he is anything more than an inferior version of Alexis. I will call him that until he proves that he is superior.

Different players progress at different levels, you just cannot compare two players on how they were at the same age.

Pedro at 21-22 looked like a world beater who should now have been in the top 5 players in the world, but he didn't progress as expected and never lived up to the original hype. Time will tell if Depay will go on to become a top player or fail to live to expectations. You shouldn't take offense when nothing has been proven yet.

As for calling Sterling proven i dont know how you have come to that conclusion, as Martial already has slightly better stats then him for last season at Monaco and they played the same number of game. Maybe you read too much of Daily Mail.

I actually watch football, and not buy into the Man United hype machine where every player is the next XYZ. No player at 20 is 'proven' in the sense you're using the word; he's a proven talent at this level but he has a long way to go before he can be considered a top class player, but to say that City overpaid for him when you bough Martial yourself is a very deep exhibition of hypocrisy.

There is no logic in comparing stats across different leagues in different systems. There is no substitute to watching football; watch Sterling play a few times rather than looking at his numbers and you will see that is not just English media hype. He's a 20 year old footballer with great potential and ability, and if he works hard he can go on to become a heck of a player.

Yes he underperformed last year but Liverpool lost the best ST in the world and Sturridge barely played, along with Balotelli proving to be a miserable flop. All these need to be factored in.

Again you should not take offense to someone suggesting that you should not criticize Man City for paying so much for him when you yourself paid a fortune for Martial based on the same thing that City did - 'potential' and future investment. Martial might go on to become the next Thierry Henry and Sterling might fail completely as no one can see the future, but to say that he will replace Sterling after one good performance vs. Liverpool and is a future great is beyond absurd.

As for hating, i dont base my opinions on hate like you, i support football and will appreciate great football when its played which i do, e.g Courtinho, Aguero, Silva, Kompany. But one thing is CRYSTAL CLEAR Sterling is an average footballer who only has pace and thats it. I bet you he wouldn't even be in your starting 11 in a few months time.

And you assumed that I support Man City just because I highlighted your double standards for mocking his fee when you paid so much for Martial for the exact same thing. I actually support Arsenal and have no liking for Man City in any way, but I am not afraid of calling a spade what it is, a spade, yet you accuse me of not appreciating good football lol, when you yourself are so biased.

Sterling will be in Man City's lineup for years to come.

...and Young has been average for a few years but right now he is playing the best football of his life and is in good form.

And he is not getting into Man City's XI.

As for comparing Martial to players like Macheda, Welbeck, Hernandez, Januzaj, then you dont know what your talking about. Martial was already known as a top talented and a future great prospect, he was on the radar for all major clubs, apparently Mourinho put in a similar offer as us for him. Which is different to all other players because they were not heard of before they made there debuts here and then yes like all clubs and supporters we hype our players like all supporters do. Unfortunatly a city fan will never understand that as you hardly have any home grown players and your academy has been a joke for decades.

Another assumption that I'm a Man City fan :)), says it all thats needs to be said about your mentality and comprehension skills. Where did I exhibit support for Man City? all I'm saying is that Sterling is not a crap player as you make him look to be and they look favorites for the title. How does that equate to 'supporting' Man City. Logic: how does it work?

Again, you are lacking perspective here. Welbeck is a home-grown player who started his career at a big club like Man United. Remember 17 year old Welbeck's goal on PL debut vs. Stoke? Now imagine had he scored that for a Stoke or Hull in the PL, the big PL teams would all have lined up for him. Similarly, Januzaj was an unknown quantity when he came to Man United but he made a great early impression and looked like a future star. When he was reluctant to sign that contract, a lot of clubs were lining up for him. Just because he didn't live up to your usual hype machine does not mean that you revise history.

Similarly, the likes of Macheda made their name in Man United, rather than at some foreign club, and thus big teams were not lining up for them.

Imagine if someone like Wilshere wasn't at Arsenal, but Fulham. Don't you reckon the likes of Man United, Chelsea, Man City etc. would be in for him? Of course the will be, look at how Man United and Arsenal fought for Ramsey.

The point is that if a young player makes a good impression at a lowly team OR a foreign club that is in a weak league and cannot hold on to its talented players from moving on to more prestigious leagues and teams, he will always draw the attention of the big clubs more than a player who is already at a big club.

Buying a player from Monaco is much easier than buying one from Man United. Martial might be a better talent than all of them but to say that Chelsea etc. were interested in him does not mean anything.

As for winning the season, its a bit to earlier for that so hold your pants kids, we will come back to that in May unless you havnt run off in embarrassment.

Fail assumption #3.

Don't worry, we will get back to this in May. I will leave you to your devices now, and you can continue to imagine that only 3-4 Man City players will get into the Man United and 7-8 of your players are good enough to start for them. All of this will mean nothing of course if Man City finish above Man United and might possibly win the league as well. Mind you, triumphing in Manchester derbies means nothing; any team can lose to any other team in the league on any given day, but do Man United have the quality to attain more points than Man City after 38 games? I don't think so.

We will get back to this in May, no point in bickering over it now with the whole season still left to play, but I am sure you'll have your excuses ready.
 
So you have gone on to write a whole essay, just repeating what you said before, :))) are you for real

No, that is your delusion. He might still be a superstar for you but he is no longer the player he once was. Moving the best CAM in the PL to the right just accommodate a past it Rooney when he is not as good as him in this position is not the best idea in the world. Your captain and talisman is not good enough to start for Man City, simply because Man City has the best ST and CAM in the PL, and those are the only two positions Rooney can fit in.

Rooney will still walk into every other PL XI.

Yes hes not good enough to play for you yet Bony is:facepalm:

Like i said, If Rooney was in City your manager will have to find a way to accommodate him in the team.

Yaya Toure is a true box-to-box midfielder with endless energy, and Man City will look at someone like Pogba to replace him. Similarly, Fernandinho is more dynamic than Carrick, Bastian and Morgan S. His attacking contribution has been very good, and the names you mentioned might be better than him but they do not fit into the current setup of Man City; to accommodate any of them, City will have to change their playing style and tactics drastically, and it might not work. There is a reason why they didn't show any interest in signing Bastian and Morgan S, and if you offer them Carrick they'll probably turn him down, so no they won't walk into the playing XI of Man City as you think.

You complain about Carrick and schweiny being on there last legs BUT what about Toure, he was useless last year? ...and keep dreaming about Pogba he is not coming to City or Chelsea.

As for the other position, both MU and City play similar formations and style, therefore Fernandinho wouldn't even make the bench. Yes maybe he would have walked into our team last season or before that BUT now we have strengthened in the center and he is no where near as good as our three generals.

Mata is a lovely footballer, my favorite in Man United at the moment, but he is a central player and that is where he's at his best; he has played out wide many times but he does not have the pace, energy and movement for those positions. His passing and vision is excellent and they are better utilized in the middle.

KDB on the other hand is a better dribbler, quicker and more combative. Time will tell if he's a better footballer than Mata, but he's certainly a better option out wide.

Mata is a no.10 and should be utilised there which i agree with you, but he is playing some of his best football on the right since he arrived here and is a versatile player who can play down the middle or on the left or right.

KDB has to prove himself first, right now even City is not starting him.


You are the only one showing irrational hate here with your comments about Sterling. Depay is a very good talent who has been great for PSV, but he has shown nothing yet to suggest that he is anything more than an inferior version of Alexis. I will call him that until he proves that he is superior.

Different players progress at different levels, you just cannot compare two players on how they were at the same age.

Pedro at 21-22 looked like a world beater who should now have been in the top 5 players in the world, but he didn't progress as expected and never lived up to the original hype. Time will tell if Depay will go on to become a top player or fail to live to expectations. You shouldn't take offense when nothing has been proven yet.

eerrr, no, if you go to the topic which was started here on Sterlings transfer almost everyone called him overrated and not worth the money, even before the transfer happened and he was at Liverpool, City fans though he was overrated now to them hes the best thing ever.

Pedro, never looked like a world beater, yes he looked good but thats it, why he was sidelined was obvious, but comparing him to Depay is stupid, Depay is talented, has pace and strength and has got the attributes to succeed in the EPL but right now he has just started in a new territory and will need time to adapt.

I actually watch football, and not buy into the Man United hype machine where every player is the next XYZ. No player at 20 is 'proven' in the sense you're using the word; he's a proven talent at this level but he has a long way to go before he can be considered a top class player, but to say that City overpaid for him when you bough Martial yourself is a very deep exhibition of hypocrisy.

I already said it was a gamble paying so much for a 19 year old, but was comparing it to City paying £49M for an overrated english kid. We got a better deal then City.

You essentially bought another Young for £49M, yes and Young was hyped in the same way when he was that age.

There is no logic in comparing stats across different leagues in different systems. There is no substitute to watching football; watch Sterling play a few times rather than looking at his numbers and you will see that is not just English media hype. He's a 20 year old footballer with great potential and ability, and if he works hard he can go on to become a heck of a player.

Yes he underperformed last year but Liverpool lost the best ST in the world and Sturridge barely played, along with Balotelli proving to be a miserable flop. All these need to be factored in.

Again you should not take offense to someone suggesting that you should not criticize Man City for paying so much for him when you yourself paid a fortune for Martial based on the same thing that City did - 'potential' and future investment. Martial might go on to become the next Thierry Henry and Sterling might fail completely as no one can see the future, but to say that he will replace Sterling after one good performance vs. Liverpool and is a future great is beyond absurd.

And you assumed that I support Man City just because I highlighted your double standards for mocking his fee when you paid so much for Martial for the exact same thing. I actually support Arsenal and have no liking for Man City in any way, but I am not afraid of calling a spade what it is, a spade, yet you accuse me of not appreciating good football lol, when you yourself are so biased.

Sterling will be in Man City's lineup for years to come.

If Sterling is in your lineup for years to come, then they must be deteriorating really badly.

Ohh so your an Arsenal fan, now i can see the hate, getting bossed by us since the beginning of the EPL, not able to beat us so now you want City to do it :)))

And he is not getting into Man City's XI.

On current form, i will take Young over Sterling anyday, ye he has been average for years but right now he walks all over Sterling.

Another assumption that I'm a Man City fan :)), says it all thats needs to be said about your mentality and comprehension skills. Where did I exhibit support for Man City? all I'm saying is that Sterling is not a crap player as you make him look to be and they look favorites for the title. How does that equate to 'supporting' Man City. Logic: how does it work?

Again, you are lacking perspective here. Welbeck is a home-grown player who started his career at a big club like Man United. Remember 17 year old Welbeck's goal on PL debut vs. Stoke? Now imagine had he scored that for a Stoke or Hull in the PL, the big PL teams would all have lined up for him. Similarly, Januzaj was an unknown quantity when he came to Man United but he made a great early impression and looked like a future star. When he was reluctant to sign that contract, a lot of clubs were lining up for him. Just because he didn't live up to your usual hype machine does not mean that you revise history.

Similarly, the likes of Macheda made their name in Man United, rather than at some foreign club, and thus big teams were not lining up for them.

Imagine if someone like Wilshere wasn't at Arsenal, but Fulham. Don't you reckon the likes of Man United, Chelsea, Man City etc. would be in for him? Of course the will be, look at how Man United and Arsenal fought for Ramsey.

The point is that if a young player makes a good impression at a lowly team OR a foreign club that is in a weak league and cannot hold on to its talented players from moving on to more prestigious leagues and teams, he will always draw the attention of the big clubs more than a player who is already at a big club.

Buying a player from Monaco is much easier than buying one from Man United. Martial might be a better talent than all of them but to say that Chelsea etc. were interested in him does not mean anything.

Most young players get hyped by there clubs from a young age, but you need to differentiate hype from talent, then sometimes injurys suffer a players development and other times a player just stops developing.

In Martials case, he still has a long way to go but looking at him you can see he is extremely talented and is more matured and stronger than most 19 year olds, time will tell but he has the attributes to turn into a great player.


Fail assumption #3.

Don't worry, we will get back to this in May. I will leave you to your devices now, and you can continue to imagine that only 3-4 Man City players will get into the Man United and 7-8 of your players are good enough to start for them. All of this will mean nothing of course if Man City finish above Man United and might possibly win the league as well. Mind you, triumphing in Manchester derbies means nothing; any team can lose to any other team in the league on any given day, but do Man United have the quality to attain more points than Man City after 38 games? I don't think so.

We will get back to this in May, no point in bickering over it now with the whole season still left to play, but I am sure you'll have your excuses ready.

So from City winning the league you have gone to 'we will get back to this in May' and then to 'might possibly win the league' :))) keep it up kid.

Lastly, i dont need any excuses, i never claimed we will win the league, we are aiming for a top 3 finish and now with De gea back, our defence and MF strengthened we will fight it out to get to the top. Its you who was so confidently claiming City will win the league. So much for assumptions.
 
This is a Martial thread. Not a City one. Please talk about Raheem Sterling and his inability to score in your own thread. It is ok to be a fan, just don't be a fan boy who polls useless troll posts.

Getting this topic to where it should be, I thought Martial did a pretty good job yesterday. His hold up play is very good (hard to believe he is 19) and he is definitely mature for his age. He knows to play the better pass than try for the Hollywood goal (though we know he is capable of it, see Sunday). I was impressed with his maturity. He will definitely get better with age.
 
So you have gone on to write a whole essay, just repeating what you said before, :))) are you for real

If you don't like essays, maybe Twitter's 140 characters will suit you better, but you have to respond waffle with waffle at times.
Yes hes not good enough to play for you yet Bony is:facepalm:

Bony doesn't start for City. Rooney is more than good enough for their bench.

Like i said, If Rooney was in City your manager will have to find a way to accommodate him in the team.

Like I said, that is your delusion, nothing more.

You complain about Carrick and schweiny being on there last legs BUT what about Toure, he was useless last year? ...and keep dreaming about Pogba he is not coming to City or Chelsea.

Toure doesn't have many years left in him either, but you missed the context as usual - Toure suits Man City's formation and playing style better, and they will not swap him for Carrick or Bastian, so your comment that they will walk into City's lineup is not true.
As for the other position, both MU and City play similar formations and style, therefore Fernandinho wouldn't even make the bench. Yes maybe he would have walked into our team last season or before that BUT now we have strengthened in the center and he is no where near as good as our three generals.

He is doing a perfect job this season for Man City and has been very good, so no none of your CMs will displace him on current form, and your comment regarding XYZ will walk into the City team is again not holding true.

Mata is a no.10 and should be utilised there which i agree with you, but he is playing some of his best football on the right since he arrived here and is a versatile player who can play down the middle or on the left or right.

KDB has to prove himself first, right now even City is not starting him.

He has only played 1 PL game, he will be ease into the playing XI and will be a fixture by Nov/Dec. Mata vs. KDB is debatable, no indication yet on who is the better player, but on paper, KDB has better characters for playing out wide than Mata, who is a very good central player. At least we agree on this.



eerrr, no, if you go to the topic which was started here on Sterlings transfer almost everyone called him overrated and not worth the money, even before the transfer happened and he was at Liverpool, City fans though he was overrated now to them hes the best thing ever.

He is not overrated, but overpriced - there is a difference. Will he be a success and improve City? yes, but you have to pay what the market demands. I am not against the fee United paid for Martial; they say potential in him and paid him because they think he will prove to be a good investment - City did the same, yet you are criticizing them while not commenting on the fee United paid for Martial. That is hypocritical.
Pedro, never looked like a world beater, yes he looked good but thats it, why he was sidelined was obvious, but comparing him to Depay is stupid, Depay is talented, has pace and strength and has got the attributes to succeed in the EPL but right now he has just started in a new territory and will need time to adapt.

Pedro scored 22 goals for Barcelona at the age of 22-23, he looked like a player who could go onto become a 30+ goal player, but he never kicked on from that point, and Barcelona had to invest in the likes of Neymar and Suarez because they weren't getting from Pedro what they had hoped.

I already said it was a gamble paying so much for a 19 year old, but was comparing it to City paying £49M for an overrated english kid. We got a better deal then City.

Just because you think he's overrated does not make him one, and calling Martial a future great after one wonderful goal and one good season for Monaco is overrating as well, but this isn't the first time you have shown double standards. Both are good players with a good future, should they work hard. Right now, Sterling is more proven, but that does not mean that he will always be a better player, but you on the other hand seem very adamant that Sterling is crap and Martial is the next Henry. Put Sterling in Man United and Martial in Man City, and your stance will change.
You essentially bought another Young for £49M, yes and Young was hyped in the same way when he was that age.



If Sterling is in your lineup for years to come, then they must be deteriorating really badly.

Ohh so your an Arsenal fan, now i can see the hate, getting bossed by us since the beginning of the EPL, not able to beat us so now you want City to do it :)))

How old are you? still a teenager? so what if I'm an Arsenal fan, I still enjoyed watching United under SAF even though they would always beat us post 2005. They played exciting football and had wonderful players. United are shaping up a decent squad again but they are playing mundane football under LvG, but it is still better than Moyes era which is a total disaster.

In spite of being an Arsenal fan, I'd say that United are superior than Arsenal at the moment in most departments, and our summer window was a disaster. I have no issues with calling a spade a spade, unlike you.

On current form, i will take Young over Sterling anyday, ye he has been average for years but right now he walks all over Sterling.

I won't. Young's legacy as a mediocre footballer is cemented, and I won't take him over a 10 years younger talent who has the potential to be a much better player than Young. It is like preferring Giroud to an out of form Martial. Giroud is mediocre and nothing will change that, but Martial has the potential to be much better.


Most young players get hyped by there clubs from a young age, but you need to differentiate hype from talent, then sometimes injurys suffer a players development and other times a player just stops developing.

That is not what you said; your point was that so-and-so showed interest in so-and-so and thus he must be better. My point is that a player playing for a major club already will not have many other big clubs trying to buy him because it is difficult. A young talent always catches the headlines more in a weaker team/league because he gets more attention.


In Martials case, he still has a long way to go but looking at him you can see he is extremely talented and is more matured and stronger than most 19 year olds, time will tell but he has the attributes to turn into a great player.

I agree with this, he certainly has great potential, but to call him future legend and better than Sterling after one goal is overhyping.

So from City winning the league you have gone to 'we will get back to this in May' and then to 'might possibly win the league' :))) keep it up kid.

So you are taking offense to me adding likely/possibly? Okay, here it is then:

Man City will win the PL this season, because Chelsea have lost too much ground and United and Arsenal do not have the quality to go all the way. Let's not even talk about Liverpool.

They will have to mess it up badly from here on to not win the title.

Lastly, i dont need any excuses, i never claimed we will win the league, we are aiming for a top 3 finish and now with De gea back, our defence and MF strengthened we will fight it out to get to the top. Its you who was so confidently claiming City will win the league. So much for assumptions.

You said that 7-8 United players will walk into the Man City team and only 3-4 of Man City players are good enough for Man United, so if Man City finished above Man United, what will be your excuse and reasoning? If what you said is true, Man United should be finishing well above Man City. You have dug a hole for yourself.
 
This is a Martial thread. Not a City one. Please talk about Raheem Sterling and his inability to score in your own thread. It is ok to be a fan, just don't be a fan boy who polls useless troll posts.

Getting this topic to where it should be, I thought Martial did a pretty good job yesterday. His hold up play is very good (hard to believe he is 19) and he is definitely mature for his age. He knows to play the better pass than try for the Hollywood goal (though we know he is capable of it, see Sunday). I was impressed with his maturity. He will definitely get better with age.

I did not initiate this discussion. I simply responded to his comment regarding Sterling and then this argument took place.

Try reading more thoroughly next time before engaging, it is not that hard.
 
I did not initiate this discussion. I simply responded to his comment regarding Sterling and then this argument took place.

Try reading more thoroughly next time before engaging, it is not that hard.

I was talking more so about Mrhandsome, city fan boy who veered this discussion needlessly.

And no, I don't want to read your rants or thoughts on a topic unrelated. If I wanted to, then I would go to that topic. So I will not waste my time as reading "thoroughly" in a discussion I have little interest in.
 
If you don't like essays, maybe Twitter's 140 characters will suit you better, but you have to respond waffle with waffle at times.


Bony doesn't start for City. Rooney is more than good enough for their bench.



Like I said, that is your delusion, nothing more.



Toure doesn't have many years left in him either, but you missed the context as usual - Toure suits Man City's formation and playing style better, and they will not swap him for Carrick or Bastian, so your comment that they will walk into City's lineup is not true.


He is doing a perfect job this season for Man City and has been very good, so no none of your CMs will displace him on current form, and your comment regarding XYZ will walk into the City team is again not holding true.



He has only played 1 PL game, he will be ease into the playing XI and will be a fixture by Nov/Dec. Mata vs. KDB is debatable, no indication yet on who is the better player, but on paper, KDB has better characters for playing out wide than Mata, who is a very good central player. At least we agree on this.





He is not overrated, but overpriced - there is a difference. Will he be a success and improve City? yes, but you have to pay what the market demands. I am not against the fee United paid for Martial; they say potential in him and paid him because they think he will prove to be a good investment - City did the same, yet you are criticizing them while not commenting on the fee United paid for Martial. That is hypocritical.


Pedro scored 22 goals for Barcelona at the age of 22-23, he looked like a player who could go onto become a 30+ goal player, but he never kicked on from that point, and Barcelona had to invest in the likes of Neymar and Suarez because they weren't getting from Pedro what they had hoped.



Just because you think he's overrated does not make him one, and calling Martial a future great after one wonderful goal and one good season for Monaco is overrating as well, but this isn't the first time you have shown double standards. Both are good players with a good future, should they work hard. Right now, Sterling is more proven, but that does not mean that he will always be a better player, but you on the other hand seem very adamant that Sterling is crap and Martial is the next Henry. Put Sterling in Man United and Martial in Man City, and your stance will change.


How old are you? still a teenager? so what if I'm an Arsenal fan, I still enjoyed watching United under SAF even though they would always beat us post 2005. They played exciting football and had wonderful players. United are shaping up a decent squad again but they are playing mundane football under LvG, but it is still better than Moyes era which is a total disaster.

In spite of being an Arsenal fan, I'd say that United are superior than Arsenal at the moment in most departments, and our summer window was a disaster. I have no issues with calling a spade a spade, unlike you.



I won't. Young's legacy as a mediocre footballer is cemented, and I won't take him over a 10 years younger talent who has the potential to be a much better player than Young. It is like preferring Giroud to an out of form Martial. Giroud is mediocre and nothing will change that, but Martial has the potential to be much better.




That is not what you said; your point was that so-and-so showed interest in so-and-so and thus he must be better. My point is that a player playing for a major club already will not have many other big clubs trying to buy him because it is difficult. A young talent always catches the headlines more in a weaker team/league because he gets more attention.




I agree with this, he certainly has great potential, but to call him future legend and better than Sterling after one goal is overhyping.



So you are taking offense to me adding likely/possibly? Okay, here it is then:

Man City will win the PL this season, because Chelsea have lost too much ground and United and Arsenal do not have the quality to go all the way. Let's not even talk about Liverpool.

They will have to mess it up badly from here on to not win the title.



You said that 7-8 United players will walk into the Man City team and only 3-4 of Man City players are good enough for Man United, so if Man City finished above Man United, what will be your excuse and reasoning? If what you said is true, Man United should be finishing well above Man City. You have dug a hole for yourself.

You are getting like a 5 year old girl now

FACT is Sterling is just another Young, so call Young whatever you want but don't tell me Sterling is not over rated and average at best, which was evident last night and in all games this season and last season.

....and YES right now on current form, Young wipes the floor in comparison to Sterling,

Now stop trying to divert the attention away from Martial, Sterling does not come close to him in terms of talent and potential.
 
I was talking more so about Mrhandsome, city fan boy who veered this discussion needlessly.

And no, I don't want to read your rants or thoughts on a topic unrelated. If I wanted to, then I would go to that topic. So I will not waste my time as reading "thoroughly" in a discussion I have little interest in.

Apologies, thought you were referring to me. Anyhow, I won't engage in this discussion further. Back on topic.
 
You are getting like a 5 year old girl now

FACT is Sterling is just another Young, so call Young whatever you want but don't tell me Sterling is not over rated and average at best, which was evident last night and in all games this season and last season.

....and YES right now on current form, Young wipes the floor in comparison to Sterling,

Now stop trying to divert the attention away from Martial, Sterling does not come close to him in terms of talent and potential.

Believe what you will, I am waiting for May to see what excuses you will come up with when Man City finishes above Man United, a team whose 3-4 players only can get into Man United's illustrious squad according to you, so you will have some explaining to do when Man City finishes above Man United.

One excuse I can think of already: Shaw broke his leg, which is bad, but your squad is still much better than Man City (7-8 players to 3-4) so it shouldn't be much of a problem.

No, Sterling is not just another young; repeating it over and over again does not make it a fact.

Anyhow, back on Martial. Don't have anything more to add to this off-topic discussion.
 
Believe what you will, I am waiting for May to see what excuses you will come up with when Man City finishes above Man United, a team whose 3-4 players only can get into Man United's illustrious squad according to you, so you will have some explaining to do when Man City finishes above Man United.

One excuse I can think of already: Shaw broke his leg, which is bad, but your squad is still much better than Man City (7-8 players to 3-4) so it shouldn't be much of a problem.

No, Sterling is not just another young; repeating it over and over again does not make it a fact.

Anyhow, back on Martial. Don't have anything more to add to this off-topic discussion.

you are delusional

Yes only 3-4 city players will get into MU which is a FACT as you couldn't counter my points at all, YET that does not mean MU will win the title, there is a reason why Fergie won the title season after season with a MF consisting of Cleverly/Anderson/Nani/Valencia/Young, and an ageing Evra and Rio in defence and not to forget injury prone Rafael. In those days your whole MF would have fit into our team.

Players dont win trophies, teams do and right now i dont think we have the right tactics, manager and all the new players need to gel in together.

...and dont talk about repeating when you have just written 2 long essays saying basically the same thing without adding anything new apart from rants.

Sterling might not be another Young because he will probably turn into something worse, Sterling by the time he's 30 will probably end up playing for some mid-table table team. Young at least has revived himself now.
 
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You are getting like a 5 year old girl now

FACT is Sterling is just another Young, so call Young whatever you want but don't tell me Sterling is not over rated and average at best, which was evident last night and in all games this season and last season.

....and YES right now on current form, Young wipes the floor in comparison to Sterling,


Now stop trying to divert the attention away from Martial, Sterling does not come close to him in terms of talent and potential.

That is just so not true, man. Sterling has crazy potential, he has a very good all round game and only needs to work on his finishing (which is pretty poor at the moment).

Young is in good form and even then he's not better then Sterling.

Also, Martial and Sterling are in the same bracket of player (young players with potential to be world class).
 
Believe what you will, I am waiting for May to see what excuses you will come up with when Man City finishes above Man United, a team whose 3-4 players only can get into Man United's illustrious squad according to you, so you will have some explaining to do when Man City finishes above Man United.

One excuse I can think of already: Shaw broke his leg, which is bad, but your squad is still much better than Man City (7-8 players to 3-4) so it shouldn't be much of a problem.

No, Sterling is not just another young; repeating it over and over again does not make it a fact.

Anyhow, back on Martial. Don't have anything more to add to this off-topic discussion.

How's your prediction coming along that London was going to take over the premier league this season?

Thought Chelsea and Arsenal would finish first and second according to you.
 
De Gea

Darmian/Zabaleta (not sure if Zaba can get back to his top level) - Kompany - Smalling - Shaw

Toure - Basti

Silva - Mata - Sterling

Aguero​

That's how I would pick the teams, pretty evenly split with 1/2 positions open for discussion. Mangala doesn't make it, Otamendi might but he hasn't even played yet and KDB could easily slot into that front 4 as could Memphis on the left for Sterling.

There's no real argument to pack the side with a majority of players from one team or the other. It's all superfluous anyway as both sides play a different brand of football so you'll have players with different skill-sets for each position from either side.
 
How's your prediction coming along that London was going to take over the premier league this season?

Thought Chelsea and Arsenal would finish first and second according to you.

Don't remind me of that man, this summer transfer window has been a total nightmare. Chelsea's form is a bit inexplainable but they are better placed than Arsenal and Man United of finishing second but they need to get their act together quickly.

Worst transfer window in years, especially when it was the first time since 2005 that Arsenal had a realistic shot at the title with a couple of right signings.

Nonetheless, whatever the reason(s), I got it wrong, and I would expect the same from Petrodollars that his statement of 7-8 Man United players walking into the Man City lineup was incorrect should Man City finish above Man United, and I will acclaim his statement if the opposite happens.

It is a fair deal.
 
Don't remind me of that man, this summer transfer window has been a total nightmare. Chelsea's form is a bit inexplainable but they are better placed than Arsenal and Man United of finishing second but they need to get their act together quickly.

Worst transfer window in years, especially when it was the first time since 2005 that Arsenal had a realistic shot at the title with a couple of right signings.

Nonetheless, whatever the reason(s), I got it wrong, and I would expect the same from Petrodollars that his statement of 7-8 Man United players walking into the Man City lineup was incorrect should Man City finish above Man United, and I will acclaim his statement if the opposite happens.

It is a fair deal.

Fair do's, I guess you didn't expect Arsenal to sign no outfield players and for Chelsea to have such a drop off in form.

If Chelsea fail to win against Arsenal this weekend, they'll be in trouble in regards to finishing 2nd, even 3rd. I guess they're fortunate the likes of Liverpool/Tottenham/Everton aren't good enough to challenge them for a 4th spot.

Should Chelsea lose to Arsenal, and City/United also win, they'll be 14 points off City and 9 behind United/Arsenal. That's not easy to make up even this early in the season.
 
Fair do's, I guess you didn't expect Arsenal to sign no outfield players and for Chelsea to have such a drop off in form.

If Chelsea fail to win against Arsenal this weekend, they'll be in trouble in regards to finishing 2nd, even 3rd. I guess they're fortunate the likes of Liverpool/Tottenham/Everton aren't good enough to challenge them for a 4th spot.

Should Chelsea lose to Arsenal, and City/United also win, they'll be 14 points off City and 9 behind United/Arsenal. That's not easy to make up even this early in the season.

Yeah, but I expect the clueless Wenger to help Jose get back on track. A draw would be a great result, but in prepared for a defeat.
 
That is just so not true, man. Sterling has crazy potential, he has a very good all round game and only needs to work on his finishing (which is pretty poor at the moment).

Young is in good form and even then he's not better then Sterling.

Also, Martial and Sterling are in the same bracket of player (young players with potential to be world class).

The same was said about Young in his early days and was even awarded PFA Young Player of the Year, which Sterling is still yet to receive. He will go the same way as Young and Walcott, typical English media hype for an over rated player who fascinated the nation because he had pace.
 
Don't remind me of that man, this summer transfer window has been a total nightmare. Chelsea's form is a bit inexplainable but they are better placed than Arsenal and Man United of finishing second but they need to get their act together quickly.

Worst transfer window in years, especially when it was the first time since 2005 that Arsenal had a realistic shot at the title with a couple of right signings.

Nonetheless, whatever the reason(s), I got it wrong, and I would expect the same from Petrodollars that his statement of 7-8 Man United players walking into the Man City lineup was incorrect should Man City finish above Man United, and I will acclaim his statement if the opposite happens.

It is a fair deal.

Errrr, no, you obviously didn't read my last post did you.
 
Errrr, no, you obviously didn't read my last post did you.

Couldn't counter? I effectively countered your delusions about only 3-4 City players getting into the United team while you didn't even know what you are talking about when you brought Bony in comparison to Rooney, who is not even a starter. :))

Speaking of 'facts', it is a fact that your captain fantastic is not good enough to start for City at the moment, because they have vastly superior players in the two positions he can play.

Again, Yaya Toure and Fernandinho have been brilliant this season. None of your CMs will get into the their team and to say that they would take Young over Sterling is nonsense, a claim even your fellow United fan rubbished, so clearly you have no idea what you are talking about and are clearly extremely biased.

Darmian is better than Sagna but it Zabelata has been the best right-back in the league for a number of years now, but he's injured at the moment.

Only position you have a clear-cut advantage is de Gea, who is among the top 2 goal-keepers in the world.

As far as your last post is concerned, yes SAF was a genius, so what? LvG isn't, but that doesn't mean that your players are better than City's.

Let's all blame the tactics and cohesion between the players rather than that admit the 'fact' that City simply have a stronger playing XI - Aguero, Silva, Sterling, KDB is comfortably in comparison to a unproven 19 year old quantity as the number 9, a past it Rooney, a 30 year old winger whose mediocrity has been cemented and a quality playmaker who is being played out of position.

Memphis is the only player who has the potential to explode this season and displace someone like Sterling or KDB in City's XI.

I think is time for you to simply accept that you got carried away with your bullish statement over how only 3-4 City players will get into the United team when their front four is alone is quite superior to yours.
 
Couldn't counter? I effectively countered your delusions about only 3-4 City players getting into the United team while you didn't even know what you are talking about when you brought Bony in comparison to Rooney, who is not even a starter. :))

Speaking of 'facts', it is a fact that your captain fantastic is not good enough to start for City at the moment, because they have vastly superior players in the two positions he can play.

Again, Yaya Toure and Fernandinho have been brilliant this season. None of your CMs will get into the their team and to say that they would take Young over Sterling is nonsense, a claim even your fellow United fan rubbished, so clearly you have no idea what you are talking about and are clearly extremely biased.

Darmian is better than Sagna but it Zabelata has been the best right-back in the league for a number of years now, but he's injured at the moment.

Only position you have a clear-cut advantage is de Gea, who is among the top 2 goal-keepers in the world.

As far as your last post is concerned, yes SAF was a genius, so what? LvG isn't, but that doesn't mean that your players are better than City's.

Let's all blame the tactics and cohesion between the players rather than that admit the 'fact' that City simply have a stronger playing XI - Aguero, Silva, Sterling, KDB is comfortably in comparison to a unproven 19 year old quantity as the number 9, a past it Rooney, a 30 year old winger whose mediocrity has been cemented and a quality playmaker who is being played out of position.

Memphis is the only player who has the potential to explode this season and displace someone like Sterling or KDB in City's XI.

I think is time for you to simply accept that you got carried away with your bullish statement over how only 3-4 City players will get into the United team when their front four is alone is quite superior to yours.

ohh here we go again, third essay without nothing new.

Repeating and ranting are not effective arguments.

Only 3/4 city players would get into MU, ITS FACT, based on player-to-player comparison, most of our players are better. Does that mean we will easily win the EPL, NO and i answered that in my previous post.

In terms of getting carried away, i think thats you on how you are going on about an overrated average player like Sterling who will end up like Walcott, Young, Lennon and other hyped up English kids. Maybe you are to blind to see it right now but in a few years time you yourself will label him mediocre.
 
ohh here we go again, third essay without nothing new.

Repeating and ranting are not effective arguments.

Only 3/4 city players would get into MU, ITS FACT, based on player-to-player comparison, most of our players are better. Does that mean we will easily win the EPL, NO and i answered that in my previous post.

In terms of getting carried away, i think thats you on how you are going on about an overrated average player like Sterling who will end up like Walcott, Young, Lennon and other hyped up English kids. Maybe you are to blind to see it right now but in a few years time you yourself will label him mediocre.

Aguero > > > > > Martial
Silva > Rooney
Sterling > Young
KDB >= Mata (depending on which position they operate, but I do think KDB is a bigger talent than Mata in any case)
Depay can prove to be better than Sterling and KDB though.

Kompany will start for you while Otamendi can easily prove to be better than Smalling. Yes he has had a great season so far but only 12 months ago he was rubbish and United fans wanted him to be off-loaded.

Darmian is good but Zabaleta has proven himself to be a top right-back over a number of years.

Only three United players are at a different level to their counterparts in Man City - de Gea, Shaw and Bastian, but the latter is in decline now.

The combined United - City XI is closer to what L_L posted, although I disagree with a couple of his choices but it is far more reasonable than 'only 3-4 City players will get into the United XI and we have a far superior squad'.

There is only one fact here - the fact that you are incredibly biased. Now please excuse me because I do not wish to engage with you over this meaningless argument further because you are only viewing things with your rose-tinted glasses.

The fact that a fellow United fan himself is disagreeing with you over your assessment regarding Sterling/Young says it all really.

You can continue to blame LvG and his tactics and the lack of chemistry between the players when City comfortably finish with more points. To the neutral audience, that is a pretty convincing proof of the 'fact' that City are simply stronger, and you don't have to look further than the 'fact' that they have the best ST and CAM in the league, who are well ahead of their counterparts in any team.

Thanks.
 
Aguero > > > > > Martial
Silva > Rooney
Sterling > Young
KDB >= Mata (depending on which position they operate, but I do think KDB is a bigger talent than Mata in any case)
Depay can prove to be better than Sterling and KDB though.

Kompany will start for you while Otamendi can easily prove to be better than Smalling. Yes he has had a great season so far but only 12 months ago he was rubbish and United fans wanted him to be off-loaded.

Darmian is good but Zabaleta has proven himself to be a top right-back over a number of years.

Only three United players are at a different level to their counterparts in Man City - de Gea, Shaw and Bastian, but the latter is in decline now.

The combined United - City XI is closer to what L_L posted, although I disagree with a couple of his choices but it is far more reasonable than 'only 3-4 City players will get into the United XI and we have a far superior squad'.

There is only one fact here - the fact that you are incredibly biased. Now please excuse me because I do not wish to engage with you over this meaningless argument further because you are only viewing things with your rose-tinted glasses.

The fact that a fellow United fan himself is disagreeing with you over your assessment regarding Sterling/Young says it all really.

You can continue to blame LvG and his tactics and the lack of chemistry between the players when City comfortably finish with more points. To the neutral audience, that is a pretty convincing proof of the 'fact' that City are simply stronger, and you don't have to look further than the 'fact' that they have the best ST and CAM in the league, who are well ahead of their counterparts in any team.

Thanks.


Sterling, no matter how hard you try to make him look good, he is average a bit like your arguments and posts. Young came on against Liverpool and changed the game, he kept Di Maria out of the team, on this form, like i said he walks all over Sterling. In fact i expect him to replace Depay in the next match who is already better than Sterling.
...and it doesnt matter if a MU fan likes Sterling im sure there's a lot when you have a fan base stretching from LA to Tokyo, BUT THE FACT IS THAT CITY FANS THOUGHT STERLING WAS OVER RATED AND AVERAGE before his move to there, now he's the next Ronaldo.

KDB and Ottmendi, cant be judged because there not even starting yet, and we saw what happened with Mangala last season after all that hype.

..and Smalling was not rubbish 12 months ago, HE WAS INJURED, and NO we did not want him to be off loaded, so that's another FAIL FOR YOU.

Darmian, is 25 and inexperienced, yet he has fitted in superbly well in this team and adjusted to the EPL so quickly. He will be the best RB in the EPL and even when Zabaleta returns, i don't think he will perform as good as Darmian, and the he is now in his 30s.

Therefore only Kompany from Citys defence makes it in a MU team, as for the MF's you already admitted that Carrick, Bastian, Schneiderlin are all better than Fernandinho but saying you want to keep him because you play a different style to us is being delusional, when we have the same formation and Bastian is basically playing the same role as Fernandinho, the FACT is he wouldnt even make the bench at MU.


...and i never argued against Aguero or Silva BUT said any manager would make a way to accommodate Rooney if he was in City, just like LVG did when he had RVP and Falcao, Rooney is versatile and can play along in any of the from 4 attacking positions.

I have not been biased and gave you facts with logic, the only thing you keep coming back with is your rants.
 
Martial went from Henry to Sanogo real quick during the PSV game.
 
Martial went from Henry to Sanogo real quick during the PSV game.

And now back to Henry. That's why these lopsided comparisons are useless at this point. Let's wait and see.

Calling him a future great etc. is as bad as calling him rubbish at this point.
 
di Maria was a chicken himself, can't blame LvG entirely for that. He also was unsettled by the burglary, and it is pretty clear that he always wanted to join PSG.
 
di Maria was a chicken himself, can't blame LvG entirely for that. He also was unsettled by the burglary, and it is pretty clear that he always wanted to join PSG.

Maybe he was scared of the physical side of the EPL, but the fact was that he started off so well then LVG moved him out of position for no reason and his downfall began.
 
His movement,speed, hold up play,dribbling and ice cold finishing is beyond his years its early but the signs are good.
 
Martial has some serious pace which is what we have missed in a striker for a long time. it's still early days but so far the signs are promising. If he can get 20 goals this season, I would be more than happy. Rooney is past it and should only play as a midfielder.
 
I keep thinking maybe Wenger made a mistake in not going for him, then i remember its Wenger and he would never spend that much on a young player unless it was an injured playmaker
 
Well its a gamble but hes a talented kid whos going to develop and is already better than Sterling and City paid £49M for him.

There you have it, yet some deluded city fans still think hes not worth it yet pay £49M for Sterling.

Yes you match standards of RM and Barca but cant even get past the group stages in CL.

FACT, is you wasted £49M on an over hyped over rated english player. Whereas we paid £36M for a future potential great.


You are getting like a 5 year old girl now

FACT is Sterling is just another Young, so call Young whatever you want but don't tell me Sterling is not over rated and average at best, which was evident last night and in all games this season and last season.

....and YES right now on current form, Young wipes the floor in comparison to Sterling,

Now stop trying to divert the attention away from Martial, Sterling does not come close to him in terms of talent and potential.

ohh here we go again, third essay without nothing new.

Repeating and ranting are not effective arguments.

Only 3/4 city players would get into MU, ITS FACT, based on player-to-player comparison, most of our players are better. Does that mean we will easily win the EPL, NO and i answered that in my previous post.

In terms of getting carried away, i think thats you on how you are going on about an overrated average player like Sterling who will end up like Walcott, Young, Lennon and other hyped up English kids. Maybe you are to blind to see it right now but in a few years time you yourself will label him mediocre.

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This is the thread I was talking about. Check what he claimed about Sterling, and he was not an unknown quantity at the time. He had already proved his talent at Liverpool.

Then he has the gall to call others delusional :91:
 
[MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION]

This is the thread I was talking about. Check what he claimed about Sterling, and he was not an unknown quantity at the time. He had already proved his talent at Liverpool.

Then he has the gall to call others delusional :91:

Clearly your feeling the heat now that I have absolutely embarrassed your backing of Arteta, you want to carry this on in 3 threads,:))) you've become an embarrassment

Btw. let me remind you, im not the only one who thinks your delusional, it happens in almost every thread you enter, any topic you talk about :)))

Btw. what's wrong with those posts about sterling, is there anything you can point out, he still an over rated over hyped English player, nothing more. you obviously seem desperate as you can't defend your backing of the clown Arteta, that must be one of the worse things anyone has claimed on this forum.
 
[MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION]

This is the thread I was talking about. Check what he claimed about Sterling, and he was not an unknown quantity at the time. He had already proved his talent at Liverpool.

Then he has the gall to call others delusional :91:


I bet he hasn’t even Martial play 5 times and he thought he was better than Sterling. :)))

I still think him saying Ole is better than Pep and Klopp is much more delusional. But thinking Martial is better than Sterling just sums his lack of knowledge up.
 
I bet he hasn’t even Martial play 5 times and he thought he was better than Sterling. :)))

I still think him saying Ole is better than Pep and Klopp is much more delusional. But thinking Martial is better than Sterling just sums his lack of knowledge up.

Martial has bought his own downfall for being lazy, but he was one of the most talented players breaking though

Anyway, you can't be more delusional than backing Arteta, then call me the same for thinking Ole is better than pep and klopp when he's already above one in the table, backing areta is probably the most delusional thing on this forum, yet you two want to save yourself the embarrassment by bringing in more nonsense :)))
 
Martial has bought his own downfall for being lazy, but he was one of the most talented players breaking though

Anyway, you can't be more delusional than backing Arteta, then call me the same for thinking Ole is better than pep and klopp when he's already above one in the table, backing areta is probably the most delusional thing on this forum, yet you two want to save yourself the embarrassment by bringing in more nonsense :)))


What is wrong in me backing my manager? I have not said he is better than Klopp or Pep like you. That is what you call delusional.

This season we have the 2nd best defensive record in the league, if Arteta can’t coach how is that possible? Most of our defenders are average and yet we still have the 2nd best defence in the league. He also gotten the best out of Xhaka something which Emery and Wenger failed to do. He has also improved Saka and Smith Rowe. Pep, Poch, and Wenger have said he will be a top coach. And most of the City players have said what a top coach he was whilst he was there. These are the reasons why I am backing Arteta, if you want to call me delusional for it I really really do not care. I don’t know pass checks from you on not being delusional and football knowledge.
 
What is wrong in me backing my manager? I have not said he is better than Klopp or Pep like you. That is what you call delusional.

This season we have the 2nd best defensive record in the league, if Arteta can’t coach how is that possible? Most of our defenders are average and yet we still have the 2nd best defence in the league. He also gotten the best out of Xhaka something which Emery and Wenger failed to do. He has also improved Saka and Smith Rowe. Pep, Poch, and Wenger have said he will be a top coach. And most of the City players have said what a top coach he was whilst he was there. These are the reasons why I am backing Arteta, if you want to call me delusional for it I really really do not care. I don’t know pass checks from you on not being delusional and football knowledge.

You have let in more goals than Chelsea too
But Does any of that matter when you are struggling at the bottom half of the table?
Only if you could win extra points for it, unfortunately not, its results that determine your overall position

Btw. you might have not said Areta is better than Klopp or Pep, but the guy above you clearly thinks so :)))
so you could call him delusional too.
I decide to call you delusional, because you were wrong about ole and still are, yet embarrassed to admit it, yet back a manger who takes your team from competing for top4 to top 10.

You keep backing him because some players he worked with called him great, that's like writing a LinkedIn profile and called everyone you know to write a recommendation on your profile :))) do you realise how ridiculous you sound?

You talk about Saka and Xhaka like anyone cares, what about Auba, who was the most lethal striker in the league before he came, all your talented players like torreino, guez and saliba are gone, because of your manager. you call him a good coach, he's a disaster.
you need pass checks from someone as you can't accept the fact you were wrong and continue to be.
 
Anthony Martial wishes to leave Manchester United in the January transfer window, his agent has told Sky Sports News.

The France forward is not satisfied with the amount of playing time he has had this season and wishes to consider options elsewhere when the window reopens next month.

His representative Philippe Lamboley, executive director of USFA Management, told Sky Sports News: "Anthony wishes to leave the club in January.

"He just needs to play. He doesn't want to stay in January and I will speak to the club soon."

Martial, 26, has started only twice in the Premier League this season and has made five more appearances from the bench.

He also made only two appearances in the Champions League group stage, starting only in the match against Villarreal.

Martial, who joined United from Monaco in 2015, still has at least three years left on his contract at Old Trafford, having signed a new deal in 2019 that includes an option to extend for a further year.

Manchester United have been contacted for comment.

SKY
 
Anthony Martial: Manchester United striker tells club he wants to leave

French striker Anthony Martial has told Manchester United interim manager Ralf Rangnick he wants to leave.

Rangnick said he "spoke at length" on Wednesday with the 26-year-old, who told him "it's the right time for a change".

Martial has started just two Premier League games this season, scoring once.

Despite his desire to leave Old Trafford, Rangnick confirmed the club had not yet received an offer for the forward.

The player's agent Philippe Lamboley confirmed earlier this month Martial wanted to leave the club in January, adding he would "speak to the club soon".

Rangnick said: "He explained to me that he's been at Manchester United now for the last seven years and he feels it's the right time for a change, to go somewhere else."

Martial signed for United in 2015 from Monaco for £36m, making him the world's most expensive teenage footballer at the time.

He has scored 79 goals in 268 appearances for the Red Devils but has become a fringe player following the arrivals of Cristiano Ronaldo, Edinson Cavani and Jadon Sancho.

He not featured in any of Rangnick's games in charge so far and has made just 10 appearances in all competitions this season.

"I think in a way it is understandable," added Rangnick.

"I could follow his thoughts but on the other hand, it's also important to see the situation of the club. We have Covid times, we have three competitions in which we have high ambitions and want to be as successful as we can be.

"So far, as far as I know, there has been no offer from any other club and as long as this is the case he will stay."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/59796266
 
<b>Anthony Martial: Manchester United reject Sevilla's loan offer for striker.</b>

Manchester United have rejected a loan offer from Sevilla for Anthony Martial.

On Wednesday the France striker, 26, told interim boss Ralf Rangnick that he wants to leave the club.

However, Rangnick said that will only happen if a deal presents itself that suits United.

Sevilla thought they could get Martial during January's transfer window but it is understood the offer only covered half of his wages, which are thought to be around £150,000 a week.

United are yet to decide if they will let Martial leave on loan in the first place and they will only do so for a deal that brings in a loan fee and covers all of the player's wages.

Martial signed for United in 2015 from Monaco for £36m, making him the world's most expensive teenage footballer at the time.

He has scored 79 goals in 268 appearances for the Red Devils but has become a fringe player following the arrival of Cristiano Ronaldo, Edinson Cavani and Jadon Sancho.

He has not featured in any games since Rangnick took charge and has made just 10 appearances in all competitions this season.
 
Martial needs someone who understands his mentality. Difficult for him to revive his career now but he needs to continue making the impact he did on the weekend.

Surely he was worth that money.
 
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