Arab trade groups boycott French products over insults

[Muddaser]

Anything on point 5240,4875,4251,5310 5070 and point 5608?

You failed to reclaim all of the lost terrority in Kargil war and Tiger Hill isn't the highest point.

Contrary to what you claim.

 

[OldWarHorse]

Wasn't it a billion dollar Covid loan you received from China since you couldn't manage the pandemic? Funny enough it was during the time when you were getting a beating with punches and kicks in the disputed territory of Ladakh.

Wasnt any loan from China but the AIIB. India, as the second highest shareholder, has shares worth upto 8 billion dollars there.

 

[gani999]

Let's get back to the topic of the thread.

It would be really interesting to see if other Islamic nations also boycott French products and whether this will have any effect on the French economy.

Will Turkey and Pakistan follow Kuwait's lead?

 

[El Generico]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wow, <br><br>France urges Middle Eastern countries not to allow retailers to boycott French goods — BBC</p>— Ragıp Soylu (@ragipsoylu) <a href="https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1320424708802777091?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/France?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#France</a>'s Foreign Ministry calls on Islamic countries not to boycott French products</p>— MTV English News (@MTVEnglishNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/MTVEnglishNews/status/1320413762671775748?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The Indian experts in this thread were claiming that the boycott won’t even be noticeable by the French let alone hurt them in anyway. So why the desperate plea by their minister?

Keep in mind this is after a few groups announced it, there hasn’t been any large scale boycott yet.

 

[El Generico]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ar" dir="rtl">لا شيئ يجعلنا نتراجع، أبداً. <br>نحترم كل أوجه الاختلاف بروح السلام. لا نقبل أبداً خطاب الحقد وندافع عن النقاش العقلاني. سنقف دوماً إلى جانب كرامة الإنسان والقيم العالمية.</p>— Emmanuel Macron (@EmmanuelMacron) <a href="https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1320420864526065665?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lol this seems pretty desperate. Macron now tweeting in Arabic to lessen the impact of his idiotic move.

If he has any decency left, he should at least apologize for the hate he and his country displayed.

 

[Vegitto1]

The way our resident Indian/Hindu/Atheist posters have come out of the wood work in defence of France, leaves no doubt in my mind how things are right now in the World.

There is a clear divide, no longer hidden, but brazenly clear.


Stage 1
You have Non-Muslims vs Muslims. However at the next step its:

Stage 2
The West+NATO and their allies (Israel, India, Saudi Arabia etc) vs China, Russia, Iran and their allies.

Non- Muslims will continue to blame Muslims for terrorism because they made the rule book and they decide what is what. They can justify destroying a nation in a war, they can justify killing hundreds of civilians due to some rockets which crossed the border and killed no one. But if a Muslim retaliates it automatically becomes “terrorism”.

China and Russia will not come out in support of Muslims because it’s not their problem what happens at stage 1.

However the minute things move to national sovereignty, they will step in to protect their allies.

I just find it hilarious when I see Indians coming in here and talking about Muslims engaging on violence etc, it’s simply hilarious from a Country and a religion (whichever way you want to look at it) which is steeped in violence and glorifies it.

 

[Gilly]

I don't know if this is the right response. Apart from giving the story more air time what is the desired outcome from this. From a public relations exercise I can see this harming Islam even more. France's leader in the face of Islamic extremism has come out and criticized the radicalization of muslims that has shocked the nation. There is a real possibility that the French could see this as supporting the extremists.

A more calm and measured response that underlined the understanding that Islam invokes when these crisis emerge. Now is not the time for Islamic countries to lash out at France, this is the time Islamic countries stands with France, a time to listen and engage in constructive and sincere dialogue. Escalating the issue will only strengthen the division between the two parties.

I'm not French or Muslim so my opinion is from a neutral position.

 

[El Generico]

I don't know if this is the right response. Apart from giving the story more air time what is the desired outcome from this. From a public relations exercise I can see this harming Islam even more. France's leader in the face of Islamic extremism has come out and criticized the radicalization of muslims that has shocked the nation. There is a real possibility that the French could see this as supporting the extremists.

A more calm and measured response that underlined the understanding that Islam invokes when these crisis emerge. Now is not the time for Islamic countries to lash out at France, this is the time Islamic countries stands with France, a time to listen and engage in constructive and sincere dialogue. Escalating the issue will only strengthen the division between the two parties.

I'm not French or Muslim so my opinion is from a neutral position.

It was France and their government who escalated it by projecting the objectionable caricatures on government buildings.

Anyone who is capable of rational thought can see that Muslim countries aren’t supporting extremism rather they are protesting the unprecedented hate displayed by the French government.

An economic boycott is a peaceful and effective way to protest, not sure what the issue is.

 

[Gilly]

It was France and their government who escalated it by projecting the objectionable caricatures on government buildings.

Anyone who is capable of rational thought will know that this action would only be an affront to Islamic extremists. Moderate muslims accept that the French government is within their rights to do this even if they dont agree.

Anyone who is capable of rational thought can see that Muslim countries aren’t supporting extremism rather they are protesting the unprecedented hate displayed by the French government.

Anyone who is capable of rational thought knows that France has been provoked by extremists and are reeling from the violence, this will not help.

An economic boycott is a peaceful and effective way to protest, not sure what the issue is.

An economic boycott is making a religious issue a political one, plus you are punishing businesses that have nothing to do with the whole issue.

 

[El Generico]

Anyone who is capable of rational thought will know that this action would only be an affront to Islamic extremists. Moderate muslims accept that the French government is within their rights to do this even if they dont agree.

Sure obviously France has the right to do what they want but Muslim countries have also the right to boycott their products don’t they? You might not agree with it but that doesn’t really change anything. It’s not extremism in anyway to boycott a product or products.

Anyone who is capable of rational thought knows that France has been provoked by extremists and are reeling from the violence, this will not help.

Ok so in return they chose to attack all practising Muslims? If that is the case then France need better leaders that don’t react like emotional children

An economic boycott is making a religious issue a political one, plus you are punishing businesses that have nothing to do with the whole issue

Sure it’s sad that innocent business owners may suffer economic loses but France chose to hurt a billion Muslims based on the action of one individual. No one has had or would have had an issue if they went after extremist but instead they chose to insult a the beliefs of every Muslim.

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Answers in bold.

 

[El Generico]

A bit off topic but iirc [MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION] you also had a problem with the BLM protest. So you are not ok with people protesting on the street and you seem to have an issue with a peaceful economic boycott. Is there any form of protest that is acceptable in your view?

 

[Gilly]

A bit off topic but iirc [MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION] you also had a problem with the BLM protest. So you are not ok with people protesting on the street and you seem to have an issue with a peaceful economic boycott. Is there any form of protest that is acceptable in your view?

You misunderstand my intentions. I'm not anti-islam and I'm not pro french. I'm discussing the most sincere approach that Islam can take towards the issue. Protesting by street marching or economic bans is not the issue. My take is that the islamic countries would come out of this far better if they showed empathy with france regarding the extremist attacks they have endured and open dialogue with macron regarding his concerns with Islam in a non confrontational manner.

 

[James]

I stand with the boycotters on this one.

A very robust and powerful move.

 

[Savak]

Indians don't know from their head to their *** and toes. They should just stick to doing Abhinandhans and quit commenting on the affairs of the Islamic world

 

[Mamoon]

The usual boycott drama that is going to fizzle out in no time and have no long-term consequences and implications.

It is quite interesting how convenient this boycott drama tends to be. These boycotters don’t really have the guts to put their money where their mouth is.

So the likes of Qatar will show unity for the ummah by taking off some French jam or yoghurt from their supermarkets, but will not give up ownership of PSG.

Why? Well because it is inconvenient. Qatar makes a fortune out of PSG so when it comes to making money, all this unity and solidarity drama goes out of the window.

 

[Mamoon]

I stand with the boycotters on this one.

A very robust and powerful move.

These boycotts are usually never robust or powerful. They are shallow and steeped in hypocrisy and double-standards.

Qatar will take off some French shampoos and hair sprays for a while but will not end their association with PSG.

Making billions is more important than uniting against Islamophobia.

 

[Mamoon]

You misunderstand my intentions. I'm not anti-islam and I'm not pro french. I'm discussing the most sincere approach that Islam can take towards the issue. Protesting by street marching or economic bans is not the issue. My take is that the islamic countries would come out of this far better if they showed empathy with france regarding the extremist attacks they have endured and open dialogue with macron regarding his concerns with Islam in a non confrontational manner.

But this is what people don’t understand. They get offended at the drop of a hat and shoot from the hip with no long-term solutions. This is not the first shallow boycott by Muslim countries. What was the result of the previous boycotts? Nothing changed.

We will never recognize our own role in spreading Islamophobia and we will never accept the fact that the anti-Muslim sentiment is self-inflicted to a significant extent.

If only throwing out French shampoos and jams while supporting PSG was the solution.

 

[Varun]

If only throwing out French shampoos and jams while supporting PSG was the solution.

I just want us to get our hands on these Rafales somehow:

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

The way our resident Indian/Hindu/Atheist posters have come out of the wood work in defence of France, leaves no doubt in my mind how things are right now in the World.

There is a clear divide, no longer hidden, but brazenly clear.


Stage 1
You have Non-Muslims vs Muslims. However at the next step its:

Stage 2
The West+NATO and their allies (Israel, India, Saudi Arabia etc) vs China, Russia, Iran and their allies.

Non- Muslims will continue to blame Muslims for terrorism because they made the rule book and they decide what is what. They can justify destroying a nation in a war, they can justify killing hundreds of civilians due to some rockets which crossed the border and killed no one. But if a Muslim retaliates it automatically becomes “terrorism”.

China and Russia will not come out in support of Muslims because it’s not their problem what happens at stage 1.

However the minute things move to national sovereignty, they will step in to protect their allies.

I just find it hilarious when I see Indians coming in here and talking about Muslims engaging on violence etc, it’s simply hilarious from a Country and a religion (whichever way you want to look at it) which is steeped in violence and glorifies it.

Just don't feed the trolls.

If only it were up to Internet forums/social media comment sections the 3rd world war would have started a very long long time ago.

Macron is just a typical hypocrite opportunistic politician who miserably tried to earn some alt right votes. A truly pathetic and spineless individual. Nothing more.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Supermarkets in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jordan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Jordan</a> is marking French product and removing it from the shelf putting a sign “ this is in solidarity with prophet Mohammed , the boycott camping gaining ground in the arab and Muslim world. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/France?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#France</a> <a href="https://t.co/uNUGyobRyp">pic.twitter.com/uNUGyobRyp</a></p>— Nasser Atta (@nasseratta5) <a href="https://twitter.com/nasseratta5/status/1320725147515559938?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[gani999]

Splendid. Now Jordan should stop using the Airbus planes in its national airline, made as they are in France.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Splendid. Now Jordan should stop using the Airbus planes in its national airline, made as they are in France.

They aren't just made in France, there are divisions in many parts of Europe, and also some of the manufacturing is done as far away as the US and China.

 

[Syed1]

Splendid. Now Jordan should stop using the Airbus planes in its national airline, made as they are in France.

Although Airbus was founded in France, they are currently headquartered in Netherlands and market themselves as a European airspace company.

 

[MenInG]

France has called the boycott of its products by several countries in the Middle East “baseless”, saying the move is being perpetuated by “a radical minority”.

Bolstered by social media, the campaign asks Arabs and Muslims not to buy French products in response to President Emmanuel Macron’s statements this month describing Islam as a religion in crisis.

Macron has drawn further anger from some Muslims for backing the publishing of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad in the spirit of “freedom of expression”.

The prophet is deeply revered by Muslims and any kind of visual depiction is forbidden in Islam. The caricatures in question are seen by them as offensive and Islamophobic because they are perceived to link Islam with terrorism.

As the boycott dispute escalated, Macron on Sunday doubled down on his stance and promised that his country will not “give in, ever”.

“We do not accept hate speech and defend reasonable debate,” he said on Twitter. “We will always be on the side of human dignity and universal values.”

Political leaders such as Pakistan’s Imran Khan, Turkey’s foreign minister and the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) have said Macron’s rhetoric alienates his country’s six million Muslims – the largest Muslim minority in Europe – and spreads a culture of hatred.

So what is behind the boycott of French products and the backlash against Macron’s comments on Islam?

Since 1905, France has adopted the laicite or secularism value, which forces the state to remain neutral – that is, to neither support nor stigmatise any religion.

With the collapse of the French empire following World War II, France’s largely homogenous society in the metropolitan areas changed overnight and became home to many former colonial subjects and their descendants, mainly from North and West Africa.

Yet the country’s reaction towards Islam on its own turf, spurred in part by its traumatic defeat in Algeria, has led to regulations that have targeted the visibility of Islam. According to the state, French Muslims live in a counter-society.

In 2004, France became the first and only European country to ban the hijab, a veil worn by some Muslim women, in public schools. A few years later, it also passed a law that banned the wearing of the niqab, or face covering.

And while a 1978 law forbids the French state from collecting statistics on race, religion or ethnicity, the rise of Islamophobia in recent years has been documented by human rights and civil society groups such as the Collective against Islamophobia in France, also known as CCIF.

Macron’s comments of seeking to reform Islam – a religion that is more than 1,400 years old and is followed by two billion people around the world – is an ambitious and provocative move; several activists have said the government should instead invest more effort in addressing the marginalisation of French Muslims in the banlieues, or surburban ghettos in the country.

Residents of these areas, often with ancestry in Africa and the Middle East, are alienated; they suffer from high levels of unemployment and poor social housing. They are marginalised in every sense of the word – public transport from the banlieues to the centre of Paris, for instance, is severely lacking.

Since 2012, there have been 36 attacks carried out by a fringe minority of Muslims on French soil.

Yet instead of tackling the root causes of this phenomenon – which some, including Macron himself, have argued include social alienation, the state instead has turned its attention to focusing on the entirety of its Muslim citizens, as though they are a monolith, while not directing the same energy towards white supremacists and Nazis in the country.

Macron has promised to put forward a draft law on December 9 to combat what he terms “Islamist separatism” by banning the “importation” of foreign-financed and trained imams.
He is also proposing tax breaks and state funding to mosques that sign a charter accepting French principles of secularism, democracy and the rule of law.

These measures in an increasingly populist political environment against France’s embattled Muslim community could be seen in the context of shoring up Macron’s base ahead of the 2022 presidential elections.

Immediately following his “Islam in crisis” speech, several analysts said Macron was pandering to the far right.

Currently, Macron is polling neck and neck with far-right National Rally leader Marine Le Pen, who outwardly espouses Islamophobic views. In 2017, Macron and Le Pen made it to the second and final round of the election; he is desperately trying to avoid the same scenario emerging in two years’ time.

But sometimes, little differentiates his administration’s commentary on Muslims from the populists.

Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin has said France is fighting a “civil war”: secularism against “Islamist separatism”. He has also called for ethnic food aisles in supermarkets to be shut down – a statement that was immediately mocked on social media.

Last month, a parliamentarian and member of Macron’s En Marche party, said a hijab-wearing citizen is somehow incompatible with participation in the public and civic sphere.

“I cannot accept that someone comes to participate in our work at the National Assembly wearing a hijab,” Anne-Christine Lang said, before walking out in protest against the presence of a Muslim woman in the headscarf at the institution.

Two years earlier, Macron himself said that the hijab was “not in accordance with the civility of our country”.

World reaction

It is against this backdrop that Macron has irked Muslims around the world.

Pakistan’s Prime Minister Imran Khan has accused Macron of being divisive and encouraging Islamophobia.

“This is a time when Pres[ident] Macron could have put healing touch & denied space to extremists rather than creating further polarisation & marginalisation that inevitably leads to radicalisation,” Khan said in a series of tweets.

On Friday, the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) condemned what it said was France’s continued attack against Muslims.

The OIC said it was surprised that offensive rhetoric was being used by top officials, and warned that this moment, for the sake of political party gains, could fuel hatred.

Kuwait’s foreign ministry has also weighed in and criticised discriminatory policy linking Islam to terrorism, saying it “represents a falsification of reality, insults the teachings of Islam and offends the feelings of Muslims around the world”.

Jordan’s foreign ministry did not criticise Macron directly but condemned the “continued publication of caricatures of Prophet Muhammad under the pretext of freedom of expression”. It also denounced any “discriminatory and misleading attempts that seek to link Islam with terrorism”.

Turkey’s foreign minister said Europe’s “spoiled” politicians must stop their “fascist mindset”.

“When truth is spoken to their faces, Europe’s loser racists show up and try to exploit Islamophobia and xenophobia. Time has come to stop Europe’s spoiled politicians with fascist mindset,” Mevlut Cavusoglu said.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/26/whats-behind-the-middle-east-boycott-of-french-products

 

[KingKhanWC]

Good to see boycotts.

Ive been boycotting France for years, only because it's such a hate filled dump of a nation.

Now you have the French crying over these boycotts. The idiots need to understand there is also freedom to react to your secular extremism.

I think Muslims are now fed up esp knowing the tide is changing. Europe is going backwards while Muslim nations are developing.

 

[Firebat]

Huge Bangladesh rally calls for boycott of French products

Tens of thousands of people have marched through the Bangladeshi capital, Dhaka, demanding a boycott of French goods amid a row over France's tougher stance on radical Islam.

They burned an effigy of President Emmanuel Macron, who has defended cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.

Police blocked the marchers from reaching the French embassy.

Mr Macron has become a target in several Muslim-majority countries after his defence of French secularism.

He spoke out after a teacher was beheaded earlier this month for showing cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad. Paying tribute to the teacher, Mr Macron said France "will not give up our cartoons".

On Monday, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan also called for a boycott of French goods.

In a televised speech, he said Muslims were now "subjected to a lynch campaign similar to that against Jews in Europe before World War II". He said "European leaders should tell the French president to stop his hate campaign".

The backlash led the French foreign ministry to issue a warning to French citizens in Indonesia, Bangladesh, Iraq and Mauritania on Tuesday, advising them to exercise caution.

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What happened in Dhaka?

Police estimated that about 40,000 people took part in the march, which was organised by Islami Andolan Bangladesh, one of Bangladesh's largest Islamist parties.

Protesters chanted "Boycott French products" and called for President Macron to be punished.

"Macron is one of the few leaders who worship Satan," senior Islami Andolon leader Ataur Rahman told protesters.

He urged the Bangladeshi government to expel France's ambassador.

"France is the enemy of Muslims. Those who represent them are also our enemies," said another of the group's leaders, Nesar Uddin.

Police used barbed wire to barricade a road about three miles (5km) from the French embassy, keeping marchers away.

What other reaction has there been?

Saudi Arabia has issued an official statement condemning cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, but did not mention France by name.

A foreign ministry statement said the country "rejects any attempt to draw connections between Islam and terrorism" adding that it also "condemned all acts of terrorism, regardless of the perpetrator".

Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov accused Mr Macron of provoking Muslims.

In a strongly-worded statement on Tuesday, he said the French president was "himself beginning to look like a terrorist".

"By supporting provocations, he covertly calls on Muslims to commit crimes," he said.

Chechnya is a Muslim-majority autonomous republic in southern Russia.

In a tweet on Sunday, Pakistan's Prime Minister Imran Khan accused the French president of "attacking Islam", while French products have been removed from some shops in Kuwait, Jordan and Qatar. There have also been protests in a number of other countries, including Iraq, Libya and Syria.

However, European leaders have expressed support for France. Germany spoke of "solidarity" with Mr Macron after Mr Erdogan's comments, with government spokesman Steffen Seibert calling the remarks "defamatory" and "completely unacceptable".

Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said the Netherlands "stands firmly with France and for the collective values of the European Union", while Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte also expressed his "full solidarity" with Mr Macron.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-54704859

 

[Local.Dada]

Too many jobless people in our part of the world. If this mob focus on their family and their well being and worked hard, then there won’t be people running around beheading others in the name of religion. Now I am not justifying the cartoons either but it is scary that there are people who get riled up to take a sword and cut another humans head. No wonder Subcontinent will always be backward.

 

[Local.Dada]

Good to see boycotts.

Ive been boycotting France for years, only because it's such a hate filled dump of a nation.

Now you have the French crying over these boycotts. The idiots need to understand there is also freedom to react to your secular extremism.

I think Muslims are now fed up esp knowing the tide is changing. Europe is going backwards while Muslim nations are developing.

Can you name a few Muslim developing nations? Don’t say Arab countries because they are driven on ethnic lines and not religious.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Can you name a few Muslim developing nations? Don’t say Arab countries because they are driven on ethnic lines and not religious.

Malaysia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Turkey....there's a few. Do they count?

 

[Local.Dada]

Malaysia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Turkey....there's a few. Do they count?

I didn’t ask you a list of Islamic nations.
I am competent with Google and Wikipedia but wanted to know more about the ones that are booming in the fields of science,arts,technology,education etc etc and over taking Europe and North America.

 

[gani999]

They aren't just made in France, there are divisions in many parts of Europe, and also some of the manufacturing is done as far away as the US and China.

The bulk of the assembly is still done in France, as is the testing and delivery.

Even though the components are made in many countries, Airbus is still a French company for all intents and purposes.

 

[JaDed]

I think Muslims are now fed up esp knowing the tide is changing. Europe is going backwards while Muslim nations are developing.

Which ones are doing anything in tech ,science compared to Europeans?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I didn’t ask you a list of Islamic nations.
I am competent with Google and Wikipedia but wanted to know more about the ones that are booming in the fields of science,arts,technology,education etc etc and over taking Europe and North America.

That's not what you asked, you said:

Can you name a few Muslim developing nations? Don’t say Arab countries because they are driven on ethnic lines and not religious.

All those countries I mentioned are developing nations. If you wanted a different answer then maybe you should phrase your questions clearly.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The bulk of the assembly is still done in France, as is the testing and delivery.

Even though the components are made in many countries, Airbus is still a French company for all intents and purposes.

I believe it started out as a French company but is now considered a European venture with many investors from outside of France. So maybe better to choose another example.

 

[Zaz]

Too many jobless people in our part of the world. If this mob focus on their family and their well being and worked hard, then there won’t be people running around beheading others in the name of religion. Now I am not justifying the cartoons either but it is scary that there are people who get riled up to take a sword and cut another humans head. No wonder Subcontinent will always be backward.

If jobs status n money had everything to do with non violence then modi n his cohorts wouldnt have been involved in the butchering in gujurat and the lynching going on in india at the moment

 

[Local.Dada]

That's not what you asked, you said:

Can you name a few Muslim developing nations? Don’t say Arab countries because they are driven on ethnic lines and not religious.

All those countries I mentioned are developing nations. If you wanted a different answer then maybe you should phrase your questions clearly.

Sorry English is not my first language but now since you were smart enough to figure it out my question still remains.

 

[Local.Dada]

If jobs status n money had everything to do with non violence then modi n his cohorts wouldnt have been involved in the butchering in gujurat and the lynching going on in india at the moment

India is definitely doing better than Pakistan and Bangladesh for sure.

Now sure you can bring up toilets, poor people etc or some article of how Indian Economy is struggling to make yourself feel better but even now as of day and as of this time of this post India is way ahead of most if not all SC nations in terms of economy,global presence,education,science and technology and even minority rights

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Sorry English is not my first language but now since you were smart enough to figure it out my question still remains.

Can you rephrase it please so I can understand exactly what you are asking?

 

[Kroll]

I actually feel sorry for these French companies if the boycotts hold, since they weren't involved.

But its necessary to send a message to the French government, that these repeated attacks against our beloved Prophet PBUH won't be tolerated.

 

[Varun]

Ive been boycotting France for years, only because it's such a hate filled dump of a nation.

Curious to know how you fly. Do you pick Boeings over Airbuses?

What a Hobson's choice that is - dumping France for the evil Satan instead.

 

[Kroll]

Curious to know how you fly. Do you pick Boeings over Airbuses?

What a Hobson's choice that is - dumping France for the evil Satan instead.

As many have pointed out, Airbus is a European multinational aerospace corporation.

Other thing to note is that when you buy a flight ticket, you're not paying or buying it off Boeing or Airbus are you?

 

[Varun]

As many have pointed out, Airbus is a European multinational aerospace corporation.

Call it what you will but no Airbus plane flies without the French profiting from it.

Other thing to note is that when you buy a flight ticket, you're not paying or buying it off Boeing or Airbus are you?

You can make your decision on the basis of aircraft type if you're into these boycotts sure. Hence the question - if you shun France in what is a duopoly, are you going to turn to the USA? Come on.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Curious to know how you fly. Do you pick Boeings over Airbuses?

What a Hobson's choice that is - dumping France for the evil Satan instead.

lol Airbus doesnt just belong to France.

Secondly you dont have to boycott everything to make a difference. Boycott what you can. I.e If I want to drive Spain, I will drive through France, pay tolls. You dont boycott what is needed by youself, but what you dont need.

Dont worry yourself over something which is not relevant to you.

 

[Kroll]

Call it what you will but no Airbus plane flies without the French profiting from it.



You can make your decision on the basis of aircraft type if you're into these boycotts sure. Hence the question - if you shun France in what is a duopoly, are you going to turn to the USA? Come on.

Corona has put paid to flying for the time being anyway. The boycott is mainly to do with consumer goods which would be keenly felt by companies such as the big French fashion houses and beauty & cosmetic companies.

 

[Varun]

lol Airbus doesnt just belong to France.

Secondly you dont have to boycott everything to make a difference. Boycott what you can. I.e If I want to drive Spain, I will drive through France, pay tolls. You dont boycott what is needed by youself, but what you dont need.

Now here come the * Terms & Conditions Apply.

Not dissimilar to your decision to reside in the UK, my dear Anjum.

 

[Nadeemp]

The boycott will be forgotten by end of next week. Money talks and.............. walks.

 

[Madplayer]

The boycott will be forgotten by end of next week. Money talks and.............. walks.

You are with the French on this issue arent you?

 

[Nadeemp]

You are with the French on this issue arent you?

No. I think this is the correct response. Boycott and peaceful protest is the right reaction. Not violence in streets , death threats and murder. This should have been the response for the salman Rushdie affair also and then Muslims would have been in a much position in the world. However the best response in my opinion is to totally ignore it. After a few tries these people get tired and move on.

 

[Madplayer]

No. I think this is the correct response. Boycott and peaceful protest is the right reaction. Not violence in streets , death threats and murder. This should have been the response for the salman Rushdie affair also and then Muslims would have been in a much position in the world. However the best response in my opinion is to totally ignore it. After a few tries these people get tired and move on.

But the problem is this wasnt some random person who insulted the Prophet (pbuh). It was the French government and this warrants a response. Muslims around the globe might raise objections when individuals do it but they havent really come out collectively in support of a boycott like this prior to this event. So in case of individuals doing it, muslims by and large ignore it.

 

[Mamoon]

Now here come the * Terms & Conditions Apply.

Not dissimilar to your decision to reside in the UK, my dear Anjum.

Of course they do. He also claims to have “boycotted” Israel but does not feel guilty about the fact that he pays money to Liverpool who spent millions on Benayoun (former Israel captain) and paid his wages.

lol Airbus doesnt just belong to France.

Secondly you dont have to boycott everything to make a difference. Boycott what you can. I.e If I want to drive Spain, I will drive through France, pay tolls. You dont boycott what is needed by youself, but what you dont need.

Dont worry yourself over something which is not relevant to you.

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I almost spilled my tea reading this. You are basically confirming your hypocrisy and double-standards with this laughable logic, and exposing how shallow and fake your boycott of Israel and France is.

If you stop using products/items that you don’t need anyway, then it is not a boycott in the first place.

You don’t “boycott” something that you have no need for; you only boycott things that you need but sacrifice them because of what you stand for and what you believe in.

So if your anti-Israel and anti-France claims had any shred of credibility, you wouldn’t be making exceptions and setting rules for yourself in order to justify your hypocrisy.

And this is the problem with this fake boycott drama. It has been done many times in the past and it has led to nothing. Life goes on and people stop this drama after some time.

Look at Qatar. They will show their fake solidarity for Islam by taking off French hair products and fruit jams from supermarkets, but they will not dissociate themselves from PSG.

Why? Because when it comes to billions, who cares about solidarity.

 

[saeedhk]

Of course they do. He also claims to have “boycotted” Israel but does not feel guilty about the fact that he pays money to Liverpool who spent millions on Benayoun (former Israel captain) and paid his wages.



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I almost spilled my tea reading this. You are basically confirming your hypocrisy and double-standards with this laughable logic, and exposing how shallow and fake your boycott of Israel and France is.

If you stop using products/items that you don’t need anyway, then it is not a boycott in the first place.

You don’t “boycott” something that you have no need for; you only boycott things that you need but sacrifice them because of what you stand for and what you believe in.

So if your anti-Israel and anti-France claims had any shred of credibility, you wouldn’t be making exceptions and setting rules for yourself in order to justify your hypocrisy.

And this is the problem with this fake boycott drama. It has been done many times in the past and it has led to nothing. Life goes on and people stop this drama after some time.

Look at Qatar. They will show their fake solidarity for Islam by taking off French hair products and fruit jams from supermarkets, but they will not dissociate themselves from PSG.

Why? Because when it comes to billions, who cares about solidarity.

Man, I have pointed out this before. He pays his taxes to the UK government which is responsible for the mass-slaughter of Muslims worldwide. He is funding the bombs that drop off the backs of Typhoons and onto hapless Muslims. This whole talk of boycott is nonsensical! At the end, money is what matters!

 

[Vegitto1]

Too many jobless people in our part of the world. If this mob focus on their family and their well being and worked hard, then there won’t be people running around beheading others in the name of religion. Now I am not justifying the cartoons either but it is scary that there are people who get riled up to take a sword and cut another humans head. No wonder Subcontinent will always be backward.

As scary as people getting riled up lynch people of allegations of beef eating? or more?

 

[Vegitto1]

To all the posters saying the boycott is irrelevant and it won't make a difference, why are you getting burned?

Let us boycott and relax if it wont make a difference.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

To all the haters saying the boycott is irrelevant and it won't make a difference, why are you getting burned?

Let us boycott and relax if it wont make a difference.

Fixed it for you.
Just pathetic haters, nothing more.

 

[Nadeemp]

But the problem is this wasnt some random person who insulted the Prophet (pbuh). It was the French government and this warrants a response. Muslims around the globe might raise objections when individuals do it but they havent really come out collectively in support of a boycott like this prior to this event. So in case of individuals doing it, muslims by and large ignore it.

I agree with you. Do boycott that’s a fair response

 

[MenInG]

To all the posters saying the boycott is irrelevant and it won't make a difference, why are you getting burned?

Let us boycott and relax if it wont make a difference.

Something tells me that the boycott is hurting given the responses here.

 

[Zaz]

Something tells me that the boycott is hurting given the responses here.

The parosis seem to have got upset for some reason on matters which dont affect them

 

[Gayle_Force]

To all the posters saying the boycott is irrelevant and it won't make a difference, why are you getting burned?

Let us boycott and relax if it wont make a difference.

+1

Don’t understand what the problem is with people choosing to boycott French products whether completely or partially. It is a legitimate way to protest and well within peoples rights.

The funny thing is the same people are acting like they are champions of freedom of speech in other threads.

 

[Nadeemp]

+1

Don’t understand what the problem is with people choosing to boycott French products whether completely or partially. It is a legitimate way to protest and well within peoples rights.

The funny thing is the same people are acting like they are champions of freedom of speech in other threads.

Who is against boycotts. Serious question.

 

[Gayle_Force]

Who is against boycotts. Serious question.

Have you read through this thread? Serious question

 

[Nadeemp]

Have you read through this thread? Serious question

Nobody is outright against it. I actually said it was the right choice. Better than the alternative response that Muslims had been giving.

 

[Varun]

Don’t understand what the problem is with people choosing to boycott French products whether completely or partially. It is a legitimate way to protest and well within peoples rights.

There is no problem boycotting at all. Go for it. I said this last night too.

Unfortunately, there is no boycott. A few trade groups in the Gulf decided to not stock French products for the coming month (November) and that made the headlines, but there has been little action besides that and elsewhere.

 

[Gayle_Force]

Nobody is outright against it. I actually said it was the right choice. Better than the alternative response that Muslims had been giving.

There we go again. Act of one person does not mean all Muslims support that response. All Muslims leaders in France immediately condemned the murder. Even Erdogan has condemned the act.

Don’t forget two Muslim girls got stabbed in Paris by French women in the aftermath that does not mean all the people in France are racist murders. Also, btw I didnt see Macron condemning the act either.

 

[El Generico]

According to marcon France is one the verge of being overwhelmed with Covid and are heading towards a second lockdown.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54716993

This was a bad time by the French to pull of their hateful stunts because it seems like their economy is suffering anyways. Even a partial boycott would just add to the problems.

 

[Gayle_Force]

There is no problem boycotting at all. Go for it. I said this last night too.

Unfortunately, there is no boycott. A few trade groups in the Gulf decided to not stock French products for the coming month (November) and that made the headlines, but there has been little action besides that and elsewhere.

Again who cares if individual people are boycotting or not. It is the individual right.

There is definitely boycott at individual level but yes not at government level and maybe it will fizzle out.

I just don’t get why some people are getting overworked. Especially the really dumb argument to stop flying airbus etc. People have a right to protest the way they want as long as they are not physically hurting anyone. I think it would be fair to just leave it at that.

 

[El Generico]

Again who cares if individual people are boycotting or not. It is the individual right.

There is definitely boycott at individual level but yes not at government level and maybe it will fizzle out.

I just don’t get why some people are getting overworked. Especially the really dumb argument to stop flying airbus etc. People have a right to protest the way they want as long as they are not physically hurting anyone. I think it would be fair to just leave it at that.

Yeah, what a lot of posters here don’t get is that while there might not a state level boycott yet, there is definitely a movement of individual boycotts. Not saying that would make a huge difference but it is an effective way of protesting.

 

[Kroll]

The parosis seem to have got upset for some reason on matters which dont affect them

This might help:

 

[Nadeemp]

There we go again. Act of one person does not mean all Muslims support that response. All Muslims leaders in France immediately condemned the murder. Even Erdogan has condemned the act.

Don’t forget two Muslim girls got stabbed in Paris by French women in the aftermath that does not mean all the people in France are racist murders. Also, btw I didnt see Macron condemning the act either.

I think u have to be a bit honest. Nobody , nor do I believe all Muslims support that brutal murder. But violent reaction to criticism of Islam has too many instances to say it’s an isolated event. There are many people who are not active but quietly support that point of view. Did you see the funeral of mumtaz qadri the murderer of salman tasser. There were plenty of people there. And that’s is not one instance . Many more. Macron is a piece of garbage do not condemning those attacks i

 

[Gayle_Force]

I think u have to be a bit honest. Nobody , nor do I believe all Muslims support that brutal murder. But violent reaction to criticism of Islam has too many instances to say it’s an isolated event. There are many people who are not active but quietly support that point of view. Did you see the funeral of mumtaz qadri the murderer of salman tasser. There were plenty of people there. And that’s is not one instance . Many more. Macron is a piece of garbage do not condemning those attacks i

Yes but I can guarantee you those are a minority and vast majority of Muslims condemned Salman Taseers murder.

Again ignorance such as the one you pointed out is not exclusive to the Muslim world. There are many Americans and Europeans that believe in white supremacy and are violent about it. Cow vigilantism in India is a reality along with many other extremist actions.

These acts from members of the group do not define the entire population. Unfortunately, same case is not applied for Muslims.

 

[Bigboii]

Yes but I can guarantee you those are a minority and vast majority of Muslims condemned Salman Taseers murder.

Again ignorance such as the one you pointed out is not exclusive to the Muslim world. There are many Americans and Europeans that believe in white supremacy and are violent about it. Cow vigilantism in India is a reality along with many other extremist actions.

These acts from members of the group do not define the entire population. Unfortunately, same case is not applied for Muslims.

I agree with you on Salman Taseers murder majority of people were disgusted
but the cartoon killings if we are being completely honest majority of Muslims around the world agree with it (not this guy I am talking about Charlie Hebdo attacks)

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

I just want us to get our hands on these Rafales somehow:

Bro "US" to aise bol rahe ho ke tumhare backyard mein laa ke park kareun gai

 

[Nadeemp]

Bro "US" to aise bol rahe ho ke tumhare backyard mein laa ke park kareun gai

I don’t think I ever said majority. In fact I said otherwise. However it was a shocking nund de of people who showed up at his funeral. It was a shocking number of politicians who could noor condemn the event.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Of course they do. He also claims to have “boycotted” Israel but does not feel guilty about the fact that he pays money to Liverpool who spent millions on Benayoun (former Israel captain) and paid his wages.



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I almost spilled my tea reading this. You are basically confirming your hypocrisy and double-standards with this laughable logic, and exposing how shallow and fake your boycott of Israel and France is.

If you stop using products/items that you don’t need anyway, then it is not a boycott in the first place.

You don’t “boycott” something that you have no need for; you only boycott things that you need but sacrifice them because of what you stand for and what you believe in.

So if your anti-Israel and anti-France claims had any shred of credibility, you wouldn’t be making exceptions and setting rules for yourself in order to justify your hypocrisy.

And this is the problem with this fake boycott drama. It has been done many times in the past and it has led to nothing. Life goes on and people stop this drama after some time.

Look at Qatar. They will show their fake solidarity for Islam by taking off French hair products and fruit jams from supermarkets, but they will not dissociate themselves from PSG.

Why? Because when it comes to billions, who cares about solidarity.

No you're slow.

Its not products you need lol. You boycott products where you can find an alternative e.g French Cheese , French perfurm etc.

Its working, the French are crying just as you was when we took down an Indian fighter jet .

 

[Mamoon]

No you're slow.

Its not products you need lol. You boycott products where you can find an alternative e.g French Cheese , French perfurm etc.

Its working, the French are crying just as you was when we took down an Indian fighter jet .

I might be slow, but I am swift when it comes to catching your hypocrisy. Boycotts are not achieved based on your convenience and your luck in finding alternatives. Boycotts are done because of what you believe in, which means that you boycott stuff even if you need them. You make a sacrifice.

What you are doing is called a fake boycott.

Btw, when will Qatar disassociate themselves from PSG?

 

[IMMY69]

I might be slow, but I am swift when it comes to catching your hypocrisy. Boycotts are not achieved based on your convenience and your luck in finding alternatives. Boycotts are done because of what you believe in, which means that you boycott stuff even if you need them. You make a sacrifice.

What you are doing is called a fake boycott.

Btw, when will Qatar disassociate themselves from PSG?

Boycott
"withdraw from commercial or social relations with (a country, organization, or person) as a punishment or protest."

 

[KingKhanWC]

I might be slow, but I am swift when it comes to catching your hypocrisy. Boycotts are not achieved based on your convenience and your luck in finding alternatives. Boycotts are done because of what you believe in, which means that you boycott stuff even if you need them. You make a sacrifice.

What you are doing is called a fake boycott.

Btw, when will Qatar disassociate themselves from PSG?

Boycotts are done to send a message which France now understands very well, which is why they are crying just like you were when we served tea to your hero.

You keep buying Indian goods, it's no issue.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Nothing simple and clear here.

You have explicitly admitted that you only boycott stuff that you do not need, which means your boycott is a joke and subject to your convenience.

You are quite clearly not prepared to make any sacrifices and comprises for what you apparently stand for.

No need , the job is done, French are asking for boycotts to stop.

 

[Nadeemp]

Nothing simple and clear here.

You have explicitly admitted that you only boycott stuff that you do not need, which means your boycott is a joke and subject to your convenience.

You are quite clearly not prepared to make any sacrifices and comprises for what you apparently stand for.

It’s called boycott light. Mind you it does not matter if you are indian or pakistáni. Mr Kings statement threw me off as I always thought you were pakistani.

 

[Technics 1210]

No need , the job is done, French are asking for boycotts to stop.

What these folk don't understand that a fighter jet deal, or football club investments are private deals and do no benefit the French economy, in the way French products sold to the world do.

The reason the French are crying, and it's not cos of the Onions, is because their economy is tanking, their companies are tanking, and they need customers; and there's no bigger customer for French products than the Muslim world.

This isn't McDonalds banning the Big Mac in India, this is much bigger.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Muslim world has boycotted Israel for decades, Israel is doing fine. France is much bigger.