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Are Abdullah Shafique and Saim Ayub the worst opening batting pair Pakistan has ever produced?

So far the duo is doing great against Zimbabwe in the 2nd ODI, made 36 so far in 5.4 overs.
 
consistency is the real problem with both the players... we cant rely on them playing against stronger teams
 
Still have my doubts on both of them and don’t think it will work against stronger sides than Zimbabwe and not low totals. Though I think both have talent and this will be our international opening partnership in the future. Just not sure they are ready yet.

Think fakhar coming back and Babar slotting in at three again will make this team a lot stronger.
 
Also would add though I don’t think we should do it, but I think Saud if he opened would do better than those two right now. But of course Saud is more of a finished product and considerably older. The other two have probably more potential.
 
Abdullah is mentally very weak and anxious player to be playing International cricket , one bad patch and he will be a goner for sure. Even though he is a good talented batter and can play all sorts of shots but is extremely timid and lack confidence to actually pull them off.
 
ads101 said:
Also would add though I don’t think we should do it, but I think Saud if he opened would do better than those two right now. But of course Saud is more of a finished product and considerably older. The other two have probably more potential.
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Saud should be a no 4 in odi. He's the best player of spin in pakistan and you want to utilise him in the middle.

Fakhar + Saim should open for aggressive starts.

As for saim, I wouldn't worry too much, when he first appeared in domestics he struggled for months before finding rhythm and dominating.

Then when he came into leagues, Same story and same story for international.

Takes him time to adjust to different levels. He's no jaiswal but he can probably he a rachin ravindra in the future who knows.
 
mominsaigol said:
Saud should be a no 4 in odi. He's the best player of spin in pakistan and you want to utilise him in the middle.

Fakhar + Saim should open for aggressive starts.

As for saim, I wouldn't worry too much, when he first appeared in domestics he struggled for months before finding rhythm and dominating.

Then when he came into leagues, Same story and same story for international.

Takes him time to adjust to different levels. He's no jaiswal but he can probably he a rachin ravindra in the future who knows.
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I think he should play at 4 too. That’s why I said I don’t think we should make him open. I think it was a massive mistake to drop him from odi team so early. Even though I don’t think he’s been fantastic there, with that sort of record you can’t argue that, but he showed massive amounts of potential and pretty much threw his wicket nearly every time after he got a start, he looked more comfortable early on in the crease than most of our other batsmen.

Just think he if happened to open he would outperform Saim or Abdullah. I think he looks better at the crease early on, is comfortable and is used to piling in runs in domestic and tests. Though I think we shouldn’t do it as saud can and probably should play middle order. And I believe Saim and Abdullah are the future so it’s really great for Pakistan if either or both can cement their place on merit.
 
ads101 said:
I think he should play at 4 too. That’s why I said I don’t think we should make him open. I think it was a massive mistake to drop him from odi team so early. Even though I don’t think he’s been fantastic there, with that sort of record you can’t argue that, but he showed massive amounts of potential and pretty much threw his wicket nearly every time after he got a start, he looked more comfortable early on in the crease than most of our other batsmen.

Just think he if happened to open he would outperform Saim or Abdullah. I think he looks better at the crease early on, is comfortable and is used to piling in runs in domestic and tests. Though I think we shouldn’t do it as saud can and probably should play middle order. And I believe Saim and Abdullah are the future so it’s really great for Pakistan if either or both can cement their place on merit.
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Saim ayub hit a 53 ball 100. Yes it was againat Zimbabwe however he's clearly improving as a batsmen, he replicated his good form againat Australia as well scoring 82 and 44 in their home den which is impressive.

One of those 80+ scores came against the likes of hazlewood, Cummins, Stark, zampa etc.

He has failed alot but how many pakistani openers have showcased the ability to provide good scores at an aggressive pace and that too at the age of 22? Further more saim is an all format opener. He and fakhar shouldn't be replaced under any circumstances.

Saud cannot hit 53 ball 100's. But he is a solid utility player and a perfect no 4. He's also pakistan's best test batsmen atm.
 
These 2 haven't had anything to show before that 2nd ODI. Today, they are looking good again. Should make their record better.
 
This partnership just needed the Zimbabwe tour to get the kick-start it needed

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another day, another failure for the Shafique - Saim opening partnership
Abullah out for a duck, again, showing his vulnerabilities to left arm swing bowling
 
What is the future of Saim Ayub and Abdullah Shafique's partnership, as Abdullah Shafique completes a hat-trick of ducks in the ODI series against South Africa?
 
Shafique is basically a free wicket now.

Even at his best he bats too slowly, but at his worst it's like opening with a tailender.

Not only do they have to bring back Fakhar, but they should add a new backup too. There's no value in having Shafique in the CT squad.
 
FearlessRoar said:
What is the future of Saim Ayub and Abdullah Shafique's partnership, as Abdullah Shafique completes a hat-trick of ducks in the ODI series against South Africa?
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The future of Abdullah Shafique is he is developing a prolific poultry farm. His namesake Asad would be proud of him. The farming community are the main beneficaries
 
I mean you look at him and see guy just wants to show off his technique nonsense not being bother how many runs he can score at rapid pace in odis on the other hand you have farhan who might not have the best technique but always score runs at good pace seriously abdullah has to realise this before its too late runs what matters at this level not looking good or having picture perfect technique.
 
He doesnt belong in modern cricket just like Rizwan. Hes just unfairly occupying the deserved spot of Sahibzada Farhan. While Rizwan has dropped Kamran Ghulam who actually should be playing in his position. We have the right and capable players but our cricket is compromised.
 
Slim said:
He doesnt belong in modern cricket just like Rizwan. Hes just unfairly occupying the deserved spot of Sahibzada Farhan. While Rizwan has dropped Kamran Ghulam who actually should be playing in his position. We have the right and capable players but our cricket is compromised.
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Riz is a keeper-batter and shouldn’t play at 4.

His keeper-batter replacement, Haris, has been consistently poor.
 
Slim said:
Sahibzada can keep instead of Rizwan.
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Rashid Latif (not everybody’s favourite) said about this idea: ˋto select sahibzada as wk is an insult (toheen) of Pak wks’

Apparently Farhan has 6 t20 matches total when he has kept and he also refused to keep for IU in last PSL.

All of this is according to Rashid Latif.
 
Both Abdullah and Saim will be our mainstay batsmen. Saim is the better player. Sahibzada can be slotted in too even if they both play
 
Obaidd said:
Rashid Latif (not everybody’s favourite) said about this idea: ˋto select sahibzada as wk is an insult (toheen) of Pak wks’

Apparently Farhan has 6 t20 matches total when he has kept and he also refused to keep for IU in last PSL.

All of this is according to Rashid Latif.
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Farhan is a part time WK. He may do a job in a game in T20 but in One Day the misses, byes, leg byes, drops, etc would be too significant.
 
RidiculousMan said:
Farhan is a part time WK. He may do a job in a game in T20 but in One Day the misses, byes, leg byes, drops, etc would be too significant.
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Exactly. So the question remains, who should be Riz’s keeper-batter replacement?

We have only 1 replacement to talk of really as far as I am aware and that guy, Haris, is hopeless. His lack of situational awareness is bad enough but the fact that most of his innings end within 10-15 balls makes him a poor contributor. Don’t think his keeping is legendary either.
 
Obaidd said:
Rashid Latif (not everybody’s favourite) said about this idea: ˋto select sahibzada as wk is an insult (toheen) of Pak wks’

Apparently Farhan has 6 t20 matches total when he has kept and he also refused to keep for IU in last PSL.

All of this is according to Rashid Latif.
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Rashid latif is a paid tout of Saya group. I dont care about his opinion.
 
Obaidd said:
Exactly. So the question remains, who should be Riz’s keeper-batter replacement?

We have only 1 replacement to talk of really as far as I am aware and that guy, Haris, is hopeless. His lack of situational awareness is bad enough but the fact that most of his innings end within 10-15 balls makes him a poor contributor. Don’t think his keeping is legendary either.
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His another replacement is Haseebullah Khan who has guess what been eliminated from the team as well.
 
Abdullah is a mediocre player. People need to get out of his obsession. If fakhar was injured, why did PCB not keep Farhan as his replacement? He does not have to keep wickets; he could have replaced Abdullah easily as an opener.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Abdullah is a mediocre player. People need to get out of his obsession. If fakhar was injured, why did PCB not keep Farhan as his replacement? He does not have to keep wickets; he could have replaced Abdullah easily as an opener.
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Who is obsessed with Abdullah :virat
 
BouncerGuy said:
LOL... I hope no one is but I have seen some calling him a good player etc, earlier.. could not remember their name sadly.
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Oh yeah the flagship batsmen thread lol.

Abdullah is a rubbish player. Also he doesn't have a good technique. Trying to look good on the camera =/= good technique 🤣🤣🤣.

Pure technique wise I'd argue it's Joe root who has the best technique. In terms of ability it depends on format with steve smith being the best in tests

Abdullah is rubbish with the backfoot, can't play a pull shot for the life of him, he gets into awkward positions when playing cross drives which makes him vulnerable to inswing. He is much better then Babar and Rizwan at reading and playing spin tbf but then why is he even opening? 10-15 overs of pace upfront lol.
 
mominsaigol said:
Oh yeah the flagship batsmen thread lol.

Abdullah is a rubbish player. Also he doesn't have a good technique. Trying to look good on the camera =/= good technique 🤣🤣🤣.

Pure technique wise I'd argue it's Joe root who has the best technique. In terms of ability it depends on format with steve smith being the best in tests

Abdullah is rubbish with the backfoot, can't play a pull shot for the life of him, he gets into awkward positions when playing cross drives which makes him vulnerable to inswing. He is much better then Babar and Rizwan at reading and playing spin tbf but then why is he even opening? 10-15 overs of pace upfront lol.
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HE is stylish,, that is it...
 
Obaidd said:
Exactly. So the question remains, who should be Riz’s keeper-batter replacement?

We have only 1 replacement to talk of really as far as I am aware and that guy, Haris, is hopeless. His lack of situational awareness is bad enough but the fact that most of his innings end within 10-15 balls makes him a poor contributor. Don’t think his keeping is legendary either.
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None. Rizwan is your best WK batter in ODIs and Tests.

Haseebullah maybe able to replace him in ODIs. But he's nowhere in the PCB's picture right now.

Haris needs to play plenty of List A and FC and show that he can play long calm innings before he can thought to become regular in all formats. In T20Is, he's fine.
 
RidiculousMan said:
None. Rizwan is your best WK batter in ODIs and Tests.

Haseebullah maybe able to replace him in ODIs. But he's nowhere in the PCB's picture right now.

Haris needs to play plenty of List A and FC and show that he can play long calm innings before he can thought to become regular in all formats. In T20Is, he's fine.
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Problem is people are equating wicketkeeper and no 4 position as one and the same.

Rizwan is the best wk batter but not the best no 4 batsmen. Agha is clearly superior to Rizzu at present.

Rizwan hit a purple patch in t20 in 2021 and a purple patch in odi from 2022 to 2023. However that phase is over.

He is too limited as a player to occupy the no 4 spot in Odi.

Btw I dont hate rizwan like others. I actually like rizzu in test. Rizzu is limited but he has mastered his 5 strokes (Inside out drive, hoick down leg, Sweep shot, slog sweep, jabs). He has a good defense as well which is why he performs well in tests.

Its a shame PK only plays 13 tests every 2 years otherwise rizzu would probably be appreciated more.

Haris at no 7 is a better option then Rizzu at no 4.

No 3, no 4, no 5 should be occupied by Babar, Agha, Hasan Nawaz. If Babar isnt working then Shahibzada Farhan should replace him.

Saim, Fakhar and Farhan should be the trio then.
 
RidiculousMan said:
None. Rizwan is your best WK batter in ODIs and Tests.

Haseebullah maybe able to replace him in ODIs. But he's nowhere in the PCB's picture right now.

Haris needs to play plenty of List A and FC and show that he can play long calm innings before he can thought to become regular in all formats. In T20Is, he's fine.
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Rizwan should not bat at 4.
 
The worst ever opening pair has never actually opened together. That would be Sharjeel & future captain Asif Ali.
 
gazza619 said:
The worst ever opening pair has never actually opened together. That would be Sharjeel & future captain Asif Ali.
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Just because they are not from the 33 KPK players that can bang Pakistan doesnt mean they are the worst.
 
gazza619 said:
The worst ever opening pair has never actually opened together. That would be Sharjeel & future captain Asif Ali.
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Sharjeel and Khalid Latif gave us a small glimmer of hope as potential openers. Sadly they both regressed and became fixtures in the process too.
 
Abdullah Shafique seems like someone who is more concerned with looking good while batting, rather than actually toughing it out in the middle and scoring runs. There is no place for such players in the team.
 
gazza619 said:
Players who are supported by @Rana are doomed
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@Rana Is a good poster bro.

He supports very aggressive players. However not all aggressive players will succeed in international cricket. That's a hard fact.

But players who play Misbah esc slow wont ever succeed. That's a 100% failure rate.

Babar Azam is 100% an exception but their are too versions.

A) The version under mickey
B) The version post mickey that we currently see on display who is a failure.

T20, Odi and tests are different.
 
mominsaigol said:
@Rana Is a good poster bro.

He supports very aggressive players. However not all aggressive players will succeed in international cricket. That's a hard fact.

But players who play Misbah esc slow wont ever succeed. That's a 100% failure rate.

Babar Azam is 100% an exception but their are too versions.

A) The version under mickey
B) The version post mickey that we currently see on display who is a failure.

T20, Odi and tests are different.
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While I understand that everyone can make errors in judgement, I believe that sport is more about intelligence than aggression. Your buddy is proud of his choices, even when they might not be the best ones. Instead of accepting his mistakes, he tends to remind others of their choices, which unfortunately discourages meaningful conversations with him. This behaviour makes it difficult to address issues constructively and find common ground which is a shame really.
 
This experiment should end now... AB is pathetic... Saim looks out of form tbh but ABdullah is a serial failure.. should be dumped now
 
mominsaigol said:
@Rana Is a good poster bro.

He supports very aggressive players. However not all aggressive players will succeed in international cricket. That's a hard fact.

But players who play Misbah esc slow wont ever succeed. That's a 100% failure rate.

Babar Azam is 100% an exception but their are too versions.

A) The version under mickey
B) The version post mickey that we currently see on display who is a failure.

T20, Odi and tests are different.
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Mickey had another tenure in 2023 as well.
Doubt Mickey was the deciding factor.
Babar has simply, in his head, become too big to listen to anyone other than his father (who thinks he's a mr know it all)
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Mickey had another tenure in 2023 as well.
Doubt Mickey was the deciding factor.
Babar has simply, in his head, become too big to listen to anyone other than his father (who thinks he's a mr know it all)
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Tbf mickey was brought on the eve of a cup when selections had already been made and he was mostly an online coach prior to joining the team in India physically.

I think he knew he was here for a paycheck and wouldnt stick around for long.
 
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