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Are Asif Ali, Faheem Ashraf and Hussain Talat more at ease with Dean Jones as coach?

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Read a tweet from a former Pakistan cricketer who seems to suggest that Asif Ali, Faheem Ashraf and Hussain Talat more at ease with Dean Jones as coach - obvious dig at Mickey Arthur - But is there any justification in that?
 
i do not see the point of grouping Talat Stoinis with the others.
Asif Buttler and Faheem Klusner have potential wheras the other was losing the game for United. The run chase only properly started when Talat Stoinis got out.

It is better to get out cheeply while trying to score quickly in T20, then waste deliveries and go at a run a ball, they way Talat Stoinis plays, he would have lost the game if he had not got out.

and i havent even begun to talk about Talat's bowling capabilities.
 
More at ease? What are they, toddlers? The coach is no excuse. The difference is - international vs sub-par T20 league on flat decks. Simple
 
No. How can you compare a domestic T20 performance with internationals?
 
They are more a ease facing sub standard bowlers on a batting friendly deck, i haven't seen any of these 3 perform like that on the international stage, maybe they should look at themselves and how they deal with pressure rather than blaming a coach
 
They are more a ease facing sub standard bowlers on a batting friendly deck, i haven't seen any of these 3 perform like that on the international stage, maybe they should look at themselves and how they deal with pressure rather than blaming a coach
Faheem and Asif have faced their fair share of sub-standard bowling attacks at international level, and done absolutely nothing. You put these two against Namibian bowlers on a Wanderers belter, and Faheem would still find ways to get out for a duck and Asif would still find ways to get out to a horrendous tulla.

Always maintained the upcoming cricketers from Pakistan have zero mental strength, and will get nowhere until they find the guts to play international cricket.
 
Its one game man , let them do it for some games to make a decision. You have to give your best for the national team.
 
Faheem and Asif have faced their fair share of sub-standard bowling attacks at international level, and done absolutely nothing. You put these two against Namibian bowlers on a Wanderers belter, and Faheem would still find ways to get out for a duck and Asif would still find ways to get out to a horrendous tulla.

Always maintained the upcoming cricketers from Pakistan have zero mental strength, and will get nowhere until they find the guts to play international cricket.

This has always been the problem with Pakistan i am afraid, 100% talent 0% mental strength.
 
This reminds me of a study where there are 2 independent variables.


I think the difference is the fact this is not international cricket, nothing to do with the coach.
 
The difference is simple: PSL isn't that level of international cricket. They are used to playing these Pakistani bowlers hence less pressure as well.

The rest are all excuses. Infact Mickey has been very compromising and subtle with these guys.
 
It has to do with international cricket.

Yes.

But coach also plays a role. Dean Jones has been absolutely amazing with ISLU.

Mickey is a failure even with Karachi Kings. And same with the national team.
 
You can drop these boys but any new foreign coach will pick these boys up straight away to work with them. They have an honest working attitude and want to improve. I do sense that Talat may end up as an ultra ego if he ends up going on a purple patch of runs.
 
I would like to see Dean Jones as the next head coach. I think he's played a big part in ISLU's success in PSL.

He was beaten to the role by Mickey and was quite upset about it but I love his passion and given he is well versed with Pakistan cricket, Deano would be the ideal replacement when Arthur calls it day/sacked.

As for Asif and Faheem - the former just needs a long rope whilst the latter is still million miles away from being international standard.
 
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i do not see the point of grouping Talat Stoinis with the others.
Asif Buttler and Faheem Klusner have potential wheras the other was losing the game for United. The run chase only properly started when Talat Stoinis got out.

It is better to get out cheeply while trying to score quickly in T20, then waste deliveries and go at a run a ball, they way Talat Stoinis plays, he would have lost the game if he had not got out.

and i havent even begun to talk about Talat's bowling capabilities.

Stoinis possesses a serious power game. Not sure I get this nickname.
 
I think it's quite telling Dean outperforms Mickey in PSL. It's the same environment, roughly same resources (in fact Mickey probably had a better team on paper for the earlier editions of PSL). Dean seemed very good at spotting talent (he was the one who backed Sharjeel and others).

Mickey on the other hand, Karachi is a mess full of choking no game plan. In the international team too, we consistently make mistakes with selection in Asia (e.g. not playing a spinner). And players hardly improve under Mickey, they get worse. He's given credit for guys like Fakhar when it's the opposite, he played Shehzad over him until Shehzad did so bad he had to replace him in the squad. And Fakhar is seemingly regressing over time too. Similarly he has chose not to play Haris, and has played Fahim at 7 (or he bats at 8 actually) pretty much wasting a spot when the only thing he's been decent at is T20s. In this SA ODI series why did he not choose to play Shan? Just so many poor selection errors.

We've been doing bad under Mickey bar CT win. What's more he's pretty poor in his comments in the media, deflecting the blame onto his players he doesn't rate (e.g. comments against Riaz). And I've never seen so much choking/throwing of the game in such a short space of time, even in the drawn series against England we should have won that, I don't know why the plan was to bat aggressively when we could have just batted out a draw in that test. And in general especially in Asia, Mickey seems tactically lost, which is the worst thing for a coach for an asian team. Priority one is always to at least do well in Asia, it makes up more than half our games, with a far higher chance of winning.

I can see why Mickey had issues with other teams. I was excited when he first got picked, but been pretty unimpressed as his tenure's gone on. People just constantly make excuses for the coach, it's the players, it's not international cricket (PSL) etc. If he didn't win that CT, honestly he might have been sacked by now, it's just that one achievement seemingly absolves him for everything. Mickey might do better elsewhere but seems far more suited for a SENA coach than an Asian coach.
 
Imam doesn’t play in psl didn’t he do well. Babar excelled in his career with opportunity given by MA to bat at no.3 in all formats

I hope that former cricketer is not mohsin Khan
 
No it's because there's a gulf between the quality of PSL and international cricket.
 
No it's because there's a gulf between the quality of PSL and international cricket.

Is Junior Dala really better than Shaheen?

Yes international cricket can have a different pressure but its not like they are facing club bowling here and in internationals they played recently they were facing Akram or Ambrose.
 
PSL is given a lot of importance by PCB so it stands to reason that a coach doing well at PSL will have some support.
 
No. They are more at ease bashing local bowlers. In international matches, they can't score and thats why they look tensed. That’s it.
 
Hussain Talat batting stats at PSL 2019:

Innings 9
Runs 134
Average 14.88
 
Enough said. Plus he was banned from commentary a few years ago for making some pretty poor comments.
 
I think Micky is equally a father figure for these boys exactly the way Dean Jones is. These are good guys tbh and all coaches will look after them in any way they can.
 
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