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Are Bangladesh the dark horses for a shot at winning the ICC T20 World Cup (2021)?

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The manner in which they have disposed off Australia should serve as a stark reminder to all teams about what they are capable of.

Do they have the ability to go all the way and take on the top teams and win the Cup?
 
I didn’t follow the series but this was an Australian team without Finch, Warner, Starc, Cummins and Maxwell.

Bangladesh will struggle to beat India, Afghanistan and Pakistan. I can’t see them making it out of the super12 stage.
 
No - they will still celebrate a win against a decent team as though its some sort of achievement - Minnow Mentality. That's about as good as the tournament will get for them
 
They don’t stand a chance. I will be surprised if they even get to the semi-finals. Bangladesh is a very average team.
 
I cant see them winning a big tournament but they defo have the ingredients to shatter a few dreams of other big teams. Shakib / Mahmadulah still have a lot of legs, plus they found this new guy Afif who i highly rate.

There was no fluke in the way in which they beat the Aussie side.
 
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i can see Pakistan getting into a mess against bangladesh, given the right conditions they could prove a threat, however their batsmen aren't good enough to back up the spinners, so will need a lot of luck to win the tournament.
 
Looks like Pakistan need Shoaib Malik for this world cup
 
Don't see any chance of them winning, UAE pitches are not anything like the ones they dished out against Australia.
 
What sort of pitches did they prepare for T20s? Shocking and embarrassing
 
They don’t stand a chance. I will be surprised if they even get to the semi-finals. Bangladesh is a very average team.

BD will most probably join group B along with Ind, Pak, NZ, Afg and perhaps Ire.

2 teams from the above will qualify to the semi finals.

Given the way BD played in last Asia cup on similar surfaces, I wont count them out on being the top 2 team from this group and qualifying for semis.

BD vs Ind - Most probably Ind will win

BD vs Afg - BD will win

BD vs NZ - BD will win with spin

BD vs Ire - BD will win easily

BD vs Pak - Though Pak will start as favourite but BD can very well upset them like last Asia cup.

So OP is correct in saying they are dark horse for this tournament. I dont expect them to win but they can very well reach semi finals.
 
I doubt it. If it was an ODI tournament, I would actually back us to make the semis.

But we don't have high quality T20 Batsmen regardless of conditions. Also, our fielding is NOT world class.
 
The incorrect precedent was set in the Australia series where pitches were essentially equivalent to Day 5 pitches in the subcontinent.

The idea should have been to make flat pancakes and see what the bowling and batting could produce. Winning that series did absolutely nothing given that Bangladesh still have to play the qualifiers.

The least they could have done was try and replicate conditions similar to where the World Cup will take place.

Still, congratulations on the win to Bangladesh, with a few more talented players, they can easily step up the rankings.
 
I don't think so.

UAE pitches are unlikely to be rank turners.

People do not seem to understand this...the UAE is not Ind or Bang, the pitches do not turn, the more they wear down they will become low and slow. So clever bowling and control of pace works and big shots are unlikely, rank 90 degrees spin is unlikely too.
 
People do not seem to understand this...the UAE is not Ind or Bang, the pitches do not turn, the more they wear down they will become low and slow. So clever bowling and control of pace works and big shots are unlikely, rank 90 degrees spin is unlikely too.

And these conditions where Subcontinental sides will thrive as they are used to play in slow pitches.

Oh and for that matter, Subcontinental teams aren't great players of turn and bounce.
 
People do not seem to understand this...the UAE is not Ind or Bang, the pitches do not turn, the more they wear down they will become low and slow. So clever bowling and control of pace works and big shots are unlikely, rank 90 degrees spin is unlikely too.

Abu Dhabi - Ball turns

Sharjah - Flat batting pancake like Trent Bridge

Dubai - Balanced wicket
 
This was a massive series win for Bangladesh and they deserve all the credit in the world for it. But I don't see how this excuses their record in this format, even if we start looking at the last year. There's a reason they are playing the qualifiers. And that reason is that they are a pretty abysmal T20 team. I also doubt they will have the luxury of playing on such poor wickets where batting is a laborious struggle.
 
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Bangladesh did well against depleted sides recently (West Indies, Sri Lanka, and Aussies). I want to see how they do when they face full teams. That would be the real test.

New Zealand are also expected to send in a depleted side next month. I wish they would send in a full team.
 
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BD will most probably join group B along with Ind, Pak, NZ, Afg and perhaps Ire.

2 teams from the above will qualify to the semi finals.

Given the way BD played in last Asia cup on similar surfaces, I wont count them out on being the top 2 team from this group and qualifying for semis.

BD vs Ind - Most probably Ind will win

BD vs Afg - BD will win

BD vs NZ - BD will win with spin

BD vs Ire - BD will win easily

BD vs Pak - Though Pak will start as favourite but BD can very well upset them like last Asia cup.

So OP is correct in saying they are dark horse for this tournament. I dont expect them to win but they can very well reach semi finals.

NZ should beat BD. NZ aren't that bad at spin. UAE pitches are unlikely to assist BD bowlers that much.

Also, Afghans are better than BD in T20.
 
Bangladesh sadly have a pathetic bowling lineup with Mustafizur being the only world class bowler wicket taking bowler. I dont think Bangladesh will get away with playing only 3 frontline bowlers(four including Sakib) against team like India & NZ.
 
NZ should beat BD. NZ aren't that bad at spin. UAE pitches are unlikely to assist BD bowlers that much.

Also, Afghans are better than BD in T20.

Good point. Also Nz won against the 3 subcontinental teams they faced in the last WT20. I think they have a blockbuster bowling lineup this time around and will be a very difficult side to face.
 
Depends if bangladesh has spinners.

Saifuddin isnt a kind of bowler that could have an impact.

If bangladeshi spinners provide some magic than yes they could do well.

But the batting is still a joke. Australia had bowled well against them.

Afghanistan has a better chance due to the spinners they have. All afghanistan has to do is select the right combination of bowlers
 
BD will most probably join group B along with Ind, Pak, NZ, Afg and perhaps Ire.

2 teams from the above will qualify to the semi finals.

Given the way BD played in last Asia cup on similar surfaces, I wont count them out on being the top 2 team from this group and qualifying for semis.

BD vs Ind - Most probably Ind will win

BD vs Afg - BD will win

BD vs NZ - BD will win with spin

BD vs Ire - BD will win easily

BD vs Pak - Though Pak will start as favourite but BD can very well upset them like last Asia cup.

So OP is correct in saying they are dark horse for this tournament. I dont expect them to win but they can very well reach semi finals.

You are underestimating Afghanistan here. Afghanistan had remarkable spin talent. Forget nabi and rashid. Mujeeb ur rehman is one of the best off spiners out there that can bowl with the new ball.

Afghanistan can even go with 5 man spin attack if they want and spin their way to victory. Babgladesh struglled in scoring runs against the aussies who had a weak bowling.

New zealand plays spin well, their players arnt that bad, infact santner was one of those guys that troubled india in the past.

Ireland's paul stirling will be crucial, so it could be a tight match.

Pakistan vs Bangladesh? Pakistan can beat them with the pacers. Pakistan has bashed weaker sides in t20 crixket so bangladesh isnt going to be a problem for us.
 
And these conditions where Subcontinental sides will thrive as they are used to play in slow pitches.

Oh and for that matter, Subcontinental teams aren't great players of turn and bounce.

I believe Asian teams should do well, they like slow and low pitches, my point is Bang barrage of spinners will not get the rank turn they would in Ind or at home. They can still pick some wickets but they are far from favourites here.
 
If they get to play all their matches on raging turners, enabling them to play 4-5 spinners and stifle stroke play, they will win the tourney. But the above condition MUST be met for all the matches.
 
If they get to play all their matches on raging turners, enabling them to play 4-5 spinners and stifle stroke play, they will win the tourney. But the above condition MUST be met for all the matches.
India will win on raging turners with better spinners and better spin playing batting lineup.
 
India will win on raging turners with better spinners and better spin playing batting lineup.

Yeah. India may end up winning if pitches are rank turners.

Do not forget Afghanistan. I think Afghans may beat BD on a turning pitch (like they did in that Chittagong Test).
 
India will win on raging turners with better spinners and better spin playing batting lineup.

Naah mate, we have 2 decent spinners, but none of our batsmen can play good spin. And unlike B'desh we will not play less than 2 seamers irrespective of the condition, unlike earlier...
 
The formula is reach semis...and then 2 good days in the K O 's

If there is any format BD can mix it with the best, its this.

Though i donot know which group they are in or what type of pitches will be in Abu Dabi, Dubai sharjah or wherever else, they still are a threat and have the capability of sending at least one higher ranked team home.
wold'nt discount them...
 
Bangladesh will definitely give tough competition to NZ, Pak and perhaps India. I will be optimistic 🙂
 
They remind me of African teams at the football World Cups.

Some good players, some potential to cause an upset or two, but a lack of consistency in a major tournament.

Still some way to go yet.
 
If this was Pakistan [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] wouldn't stop talking about how this was the greatest, most embarrassing series defeat in Pakistan's history.

So, where does this rank among Australia's most embarrassing series defeats, Mamoon?
 
If this was Pakistan [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] wouldn't stop talking about how this was the greatest, most embarrassing series defeat in Pakistan's history.

So, where does this rank among Australia's most embarrassing series defeats, Mamoon?

It wasn’t even telecast in Australia and I doubt if the majority of the public even know about this series, so I don’t think they would consider it highly embarrassing.

Losing a Test series at home to Indian reserves was a far more embarrassing outcome, as was losing a home Ashes in 2010-11 with three innings defeats.
 
In the wider picture, Australian cricket fans are concerned about the direction of the team since Justin Langer has taken over and the impression that there is no accountability for results with CA happy to hum along to music.

However, white ball international cricket is considerably low on the priority of the casual Australian cricket fans, media companies, and administrators. Not many folks care about these results, which is why no broadcaster thought of even bidding for this series. In fact, Foxtel told the Bangladesh Cricket Board that not even a nominal fee for the broadcast was warranted and the only way the telecast would be shown was if it was free.
 
In the wider picture, Australian cricket fans are concerned about the direction of the team since Justin Langer has taken over and the impression that there is no accountability for results with CA happy to hum along to music.

However, white ball international cricket is considerably low on the priority of the casual Australian cricket fans, media companies, and administrators. Not many folks care about these results, which is why no broadcaster thought of even bidding for this series. In fact, Foxtel told the Bangladesh Cricket Board that not even a nominal fee for the broadcast was warranted and the only way the telecast would be shown was if it was free.

You have a good point.

I think Aussies don't care much about international T20. They care about BBL, Ashes, Test, and ICC tournaments. That's it.
 
You have a good point.

I think Aussies don't care much about international T20. They care about BBL, Ashes, Test, and ICC tournaments. That's it.

Dude, this is like whole new level of disrespect. Are you telling me they don't broadcast any white ball cricket? Or is it because the opponent was BD?

They are inviting Afghanistan for a tour, that won't be broadcasted in Aus?

Finally, they didn't lose the series just because it wasn't broadcasted.
 
It wasn’t even telecast in Australia and I doubt if the majority of the public even know about this series, so I don’t think they would consider it highly embarrassing.

Losing a Test series at home to Indian reserves was a far more embarrassing outcome, as was losing a home Ashes in 2010-11 with three innings defeats.

Doesn't make it any less embarrassing. They got smashed by a team that usually considers it an achievement just to beat a higher ranked team once in any given series...and is playing the qualifiers.

Those defeats are unarguably more embarrassing but this is pretty embarrassing too.
 
Dude, this is like whole new level of disrespect. Are you telling me they don't broadcast any white ball cricket? Or is it because the opponent was BD?

They are inviting Afghanistan for a tour, that won't be broadcasted in Aus?

Finally, they didn't lose the series just because it wasn't broadcasted.

They broadcast games but their main focuses seem to be Test cricket, Ashes series, ICC tournaments, and BBL.

Just look at the players they select for T20 games (not just BD series). They almost never select their main team. They seem to use T20 to try out new players.
 
Dude, this is like whole new level of disrespect. Are you telling me they don't broadcast any white ball cricket? Or is it because the opponent was BD?

They are inviting Afghanistan for a tour, that won't be broadcasted in Aus?

Finally, they didn't lose the series just because it wasn't broadcasted.

No disrespect, Australian people don't watch matches that aren't BBL, ICC tournaments, Ashes and some Tests with India/SA/NZ. Australia has dozens of sports to follow, so their capacity to watch cricket is very restrictive.
 
No disrespect, Australian people don't watch matches that aren't BBL, ICC tournaments, Ashes and some Tests with India/SA/NZ. Australia has dozens of sports to follow, so their capacity to watch cricket is very restrictive.
They sure as hell got time for Zim vs IRE series which will be broadcasted on Fox Sports Australia.
 
Looking to make the knockout stages of the ICC Men’s T20 World Cup for the first time, Bangladesh will have to go the long way, starting their campaign in the First Round.

As the top-ranking team in their group, Bangladesh go into the tournament as favourites to reach the Super 12 Stage but captain Mahmud Ullah knows they cannot take anything for granted.

“In any World Cup every match is important equally,” Mahmud said. “Each game is important. You have to be on the top from the first ball. You have to be in a frame of mind, focused on your team process so that you can win every game.”

Fuelling their campaign will be a core group of all-rounders, led by Shakib Al Hasan, who sits at the top of the MRF Tyres ICC Men’s T20I all-rounder rankings.

Alongside Shakib’s all-round skills, Bangladesh boast a powerful batting order with the likes of Mahmud and Mushfiqur Rahim, a pace attack spearheaded by the in-form Mustafizur Rahman, and a plethora of cunning spinners.

Essentially, they should have all bases covered.

“Our strength has been our all-rounders and our bowling department. Having said that, our batting department is also very good. We have got a good balance in our team,” Mahmud said.

“We’ve got five or six all-rounders who can bowl and bat and our fast bowlers have been (doing) really well – they’re doing an incredible job at the moment.

"Our spinners are our strength as well. If they can put up their hands in a few matches, hopefully we’re going to have some good results.”

While Shakib stands alone as the jewel in the crown, Mahmud tipped a trio of youngsters to shine, praising all-rounders Afif Hossain and Shamim Hossain, and batter Nural Hasan.

“Shakib has been the No.1 all-rounder. He is the most valuable player in our team. Having said that Mushfiqur Rahim and Mustafizur Rahman are also very important and a few youngsters like Afif, Shamim and Sohan (Nural Hasan) are really keen to do well for themselves and for the team as well. I think those are the youngsters to look for.”

With a five-match T20I series against New Zealand locked in for next month and having just recently registered their first ever series win over Australia, the Tigers are looking to build as much momentum as possible before the tournament.

They start their campaign on 17 October against Scotland, before clashes against Oman (19 October) and Papua New Guinea (21 October).

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After beating Australia in the last home series and now New Zealand in the 1st T20 home series, Bangladesh is on a high now.

So is it just the pitch or are they genuine dark horses?
 
I think we have a decent core but our openers form is of concern. I don't think we are good enough to make it to the semis. It's the reality
 
Sure Bangladesh would be favorites if they are allowed to doctor pitches in UAE too lol.

I have a strong feeling that Bangaldesh fans are going to face a ride awakening and reality check during the T20 WC.
 
They will decide who will be the semifinalists from their group.
 
If pitches are assisting spinners, I think they can do well.

If pitches are flat, they may do poorly.

Either way, I think NRR may play a significant role in this World T20.
 
they might have a chance; but then their entire squad suffers from a tendency to just lose from a very strong winning position

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Bangladesh have become #6 in T20 ranking after latest win.

They can become #5 if they win 5-0.
 
Good for Bangladesh. They are entitled to make as much use of their home conditions as any other team.

That said, I wouldn't get my hopes up for the WT20 if I was a Bangladesh fan. Because the wickets in UAE are going to be very different. Maybe Bangladesh will carry this confidence forward and just play really good cricket.

But if I was a betting man, I wouldn't put my money on them
 
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We are still only at the preliminary stage of the T20 World Cup but Bangladesh have already been through the roller-coaster of emotions, like they often do. They had copped brickbats from their fans, their media and even their cricket board president after a shock six-run defeat to Scotland in their Group B opener on Sunday.

Their three senior players -- Shakib Al Hasan (20 off 28), Mushfiqur Rahim (38 off 36) and skipper Mahmudullah (23 off 22) – had batted at numbers 3, 4 and 5 for nearly three-quarters of the chase of 141 for a collective strike-rate of just 94. The inability of the experienced batters to step up the scoring had left those following with too much to do.

Mahmudullah had been left to defend himself and his fellow veterans in the post-match media session. “I am very much frustrated… we didn't deliberately bat slowly. We couldn't hit those boundaries,” he had said while being famously interrupted by loud celebrations from the Scottish dressing room.

On Thursday, after an 84-run demolition of Papua New Guinea sealed Bangladesh’s Super 12s spot, a visibly calmer but combative Mahmudullah hit back at some of the criticism that he said had left his side feeling “belittled.”

“Yes, we are humans, we make mistakes… but it doesn’t mean we should be belittled. I don’t think anyone has more feelings for the country than the team,” Mahmudullah said.

“Criticism will take place when we don’t do well, but it is not fair to belittle us.

“We are human, we also have feelings. We have families. Our parents and children sit in front of the TV. They also get upset. Everyone has social media on their phone. We expect criticism when it is warranted, but if that is belittling, we feel bad.”

Recently, Glenn Maxwell and Dan Christian had spoken out against abuse on social media targeted at players and their families after the duo’s franchise Royal Challengers Bangalore lost in the Indian Premier League 2021 knockouts.

“Some of the garbage that has been flowing on social media is absolutely disgusting! We are human beings who are giving our best each and every day. Try being a decent person maybe instead of spreading abuse..." Maxwell had said.

"Check out the comments section of my partner's Instagram post. I didn't have a great game tonight, but that's sport. However please, leave her out of it," Christian had said.

On Thursday, Mahmudullah stressed that it was unfair for players’ commitment to be called into question after a loss, especially in the fickle format of T20, and to ignore all the sacrifices they had to make.

“There were many questions, including about the three senior players’ strike-rate. We tried hard, but we didn’t get the result. Everyone makes sacrifices. We play with injuries. Some of us take pain-killers every day. Many don’t know about these things, so it is not right to talk about our commitment.”

After the loss to Scotland, Bangladesh Cricket Board president Nazmul Hassan had questioned the “approach and attitude” of his team, and had specifically mentioned Shakib, Mushfiqur and Mahmudullah for not taking enough risks with the bat.

“I never thought we could lose the match against Scotland,” Hassan had said. “Shakib, Mushfiqur, Mahmudullah are our best batters. They ought to finish the match. If the seniors want to play up the (batting) order, they have to play with risk. But it would not be right to waste balls without taking risk and to take it to a situation from which there is no way back.”

Nevertheless, Mahmudullah stuck with the three veterans at numbers 3, 4 and 5 against PNG as well. And while Mushfiqur managed only 5, the skipper himself cracked 50 off 28 deliveries and Shakib produced an outstanding all-round performance: 46 off 37 followed by 4 for 9 from four overs to be named Player of the Match.

“Shakib is a champion player for Bangladesh. He has been outstanding. We are lucky to have a performer like him.

“We are not worried about Mushfiq or (senior pacer) Mustafiz (Rahman). We are not losing faith in them, probably people from outside are,” Mahmudullah said, and later also thanked a reporter for asking a “positive” question on a couple of bowlers doing well.

Having given a piece of his mind and some more to those outside the dressing room, Mahmudullah proceeded to thank those inside it for getting the team through a difficult phase.

“I hope we can be more settled now. Within the team, there is positive energy, and for that I thank the whole team. I hope things will get better.”

Bangladesh, who finished second in Group B, will now take on the Group A toppers – likely to be Sri Lanka -- in their opening Super 12 Group 1 game on Sunday afternoon in Sharjah. Their last Super 12 match will be against Australia in Dubai on November 4.

https://www.sportingnews.com/au/cri...gladesh-mahmudullah/2swk3cytebis1jhb6nbbayoy9
 
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