Are children more influenced by celebs/youtubers than by parents now?

[KingKhanWC]

Its an interesting discussion.

Some kids do spend more time on their phones, youtube or social media than talking to parents.

Are kids today more influenced by strangers on TV, internet than their own parents now?

I think many are but good parenting will always control this issue.

We also have to remember there are some kids who learn more from others than their own familes.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

why some "kids" spend more time on phones and YouTube and social?

"Adults" spend equally more time on this addiction.

And THAT'S where the actual problem is.

Kids need direction, help and time that adult must provide them - this could be taking the kids to park, gym, sporting events, masjid events and other kids friendly social events, outdoors etc.

But the kid comes home from school or on the weekend, and sees that parents are on their smart devices, what else is the kid supposed to do besides getting on his/her own smart device?

 

[MenInG]

Same applies to some adults too!

As parents we are facing a huge challenge and unfortunately, it's a losing battle

 

[Technics 1210]

The issue is not the smartphone or technology. The issue is the quality of media.

I was a child of the 70s/80s, and back then for example a movie that was described as family fun, was indeed family fun. No profanity, violence, drugs, sex, or LGBTQ nonsense. TV was good clean fun too. Playing video games, footy, - all of it was just fun.

Fast forward to the liberal society today, and Disney are releasing children movies promoting LGBTQ bakwaas (Buzz Lightyear - now hitting their share price), you have entertainment TV and papers lauding the likes of Sam Smith. You get the idea.

And if anyone thinks getting rid of a smartphone will help children, then you have no idea, children actually pick up way more at school, from language to interests.

Confine liberal media to the bins, promote family values in society, then one doesn't really need to worry about about children being influenced down the wrong path.

Of course, parenting also plays a role, but that's another story.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Same applies to some adults too!

As parents we are facing a huge challenge and unfortunately, it's a losing battle

Good point, it seems famous people have a lot of influence on others.

Its not always a bad thing, there are some brilliant minds out there we can now learn from which may not have been available 20 years ago.

I tend to have my principles based on my religion and my personal views but am happy to gain from others too.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The issue is not the smartphone or technology. The issue is the quality of media.

I was a child of the 70s/80s, and back then for example a movie that was described as family fun, was indeed family fun. No profanity, violence, drugs, sex, or LGBTQ nonsense. TV was good clean fun too. Playing video games, footy, - all of it was just fun.

Fast forward to the liberal society today, and Disney are releasing children movies promoting LGBTQ bakwaas (Buzz Lightyear - now hitting their share price), you have entertainment TV and papers lauding the likes of Sam Smith. You get the idea.

And if anyone thinks getting rid of a smartphone will help children, then you have no idea, children actually pick up way more at school, from language to interests.

Confine liberal media to the bins, promote family values in society, then one doesn't really need to worry about about children being influenced down the wrong path.

Of course, parenting also plays a role, but that's another story.

Agree fully!

Society attempts to influence people regardless of their principles and upbringing.

Modern society demands we are more liberal, we accept others desires and if not we are shunned or seem as different/wrong.

How to get away from it ? Its everywhere

 

[KingKhanWC]

why some "kids" spend more time on phones and YouTube and social?

"Adults" spend equally more time on this addiction.

And THAT'S where the actual problem is.

Kids need direction, help and time that adult must provide them - this could be taking the kids to park, gym, sporting events, masjid events and other kids friendly social events, outdoors etc.

But the kid comes home from school or on the weekend, and sees that parents are on their smart devices, what else is the kid supposed to do besides getting on his/her own smart device?

Yes, this seems to be problem around the world. Even in villages in Pakistan the elders are on their phones, watching political videos or arguments when in previous eras all their time was dedicated to their family and home.

Are you suggesting adults shouldn't have smart phones?

 

[Technics 1210]

Agree fully!

Society attempts to influence people regardless of their principles and upbringing.

Modern society demands we are more liberal, we accept others desires and if not we are shunned or seem as different/wrong.

How to get away from it ? Its everywhere

The first step is to control access at home. I have content and access control configured on my home Internet Router, Content inspection/control, parental control on smartphones & laptops to control which apps are installed and accessed, no social media accounts, change my Netflix, Prime, Disney passwords on a daily basis so kids cannot watch any stream TV without asking me for the password first, MAC control to disable WiFi access at certain times, and have disabled access to all MSM and all-nonsense channels (I only have subscriptions to Sport channels).

It is a start, and an effective one.

 

[IMMY69]

I was child in the 70's/80's and grew up watching Carry On films on prime time mainstream TV. These films had at least two gay actors and these films contained plenty of innuendo, both the homosexual and heterosexual variety.

Then we had tv shows hosted by Benny Hill and Kenny Everet, the music industry also had plenty of gay icons throughout the two decades.

The world has moved on and with the WWW and smart phones, there is certainly a lot more content available at the touch of a finger. As a parent you just have to instil good values and trust that they will grow up to be good decent human beings. I certainly don't think that by having more homosexual content on social media or having it tought at school is going to change the person you are.

I remember having to attend a sex ed class at secondary school and the teacher said that some boys might fantasise about other boys but that's something that happens during puberty and not to worry as these kids often grow out of it. Yet, I have friends in their 50's who are now openly gay, even though they didn't have smart phones or the WWW when growing up, some were brought up in a strict Catholic family and others in a Muslim family. Yet here we are.

So in my opinion, parenting can affect how you turn out as a human being but it's not going to change your sexual orientation. Same goes for what they teach you in school, when it comes to LGBT etc

 

[Technics 1210]

Adult themed TV programs, movies (inc Horror), and even adverts (alcohol etc), were on TV after the watershed in the 70s/80s. (After 9pm / 10pm).

Most kids were in bed by then, or at least in their bedroom where there was no TV.

 

[IMMY69]

6:25pm on Christmas Day was past the watershed?

 

[Champ_Pal]

You cannot avoid technology. It’s better to explain the kids the good and bad stuff about celebrities and influencers unread of telling them to avoid them completely.

 

[Major]

I wouldn't think so, before smart phones and social media, you did had internet, and before internet you all had television

These fears existed back than.

A child learns his values through his upbringing at home. How his parents teach him the core values have an impact in his later life. Thats about it, rest he learns from socialization at school or in his peer groups

As for celebrity influence, that has always existed through media and you cant blame social media or smart phones for that. Yes, social media and smart phone has allowed one to become a celebrity easily, the track towards stardom is much more easier and simpler now that anyone can become one.

Social media produces much better content compared to what we see on TV, hence the number of users are increasing.

As for interacting with parents, well i am not a parent, but the onus should be on the parent to interact witth their children. Like having dinner on the dinner table where everyone can interact with each other in the family at the end of the day, or going out once a day on a weekend.

 

[Major]

As for the controlling parents that fear their children will become homosexuals so they limit their access, thats just plain stupid. So instead of talking to your child, you just dont trust your own children because of your own homophobia....

Having access to these things early on can also teach you how to use them better. For example, having used social media early on i know which sites and places use verified or credible news and which are clickbait's, while the older generation believes in any content they see.

Also at the end of the day, if you keep restricting your Childs freedom, those children will find access to it one way or another either at school or somewhere, but they wont tell you, the trust would not exist, and their way of accessing these mediums would be very extreme and could lead to more problems.

If anyone of you remember the Dua Zehra case, the whole case was about this. The father, having lived and grown up in Pakistan, had been conditioned to be a lunatic. He had daughters who were not going to school and he had restricted them from using social media and controlling what content they could watch on what medium. Eventually what happened, as the daughter was growing and was curious, did not trust her parents and started communicating with another boy through a game on a tablet, She gets attracted to him and runs off.

At the end they found the daughter and would return back after an year and the father was celebrated as a hero father, but no one bother to look at this whole case as a case study that what happens when you try to control your kids and not let them use social media or any other media.

This type of lunacy isn't even new. Before televisions, there were parents that would control what type of novels there kids read as they didnt want their kids to read novels about love story or else they would get wrong ideas and be involved in indecent acts.

Thus, no matter how advance the world becomes, but conservative people will never learn

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Yes, this seems to be problem around the world. Even in villages in Pakistan the elders are on their phones, watching political videos or arguments when in previous eras all their time was dedicated to their family and home.

Are you suggesting adults shouldn't have smart phones?

Adults should break the addiction because it has a dopamine effect.

Internet addiction is now a clinical condition.

We adults must cut screen time and give that time to our kids.

Take them outdoors - play with them - arrange meet up with friends at a play ground, take the kids to gym, swimming, soccer etc.

Another good practice is to stop using smartphones/internet, 1 hour before sleeping and 1 hour after getting up.

And then turn off internet and smart phones at 10:00 pm for ALL. Period!!

 

[Colorblind Genius]

The issue is not the smartphone or technology. The issue is the quality of media.

I was a child of the 70s/80s, and back then for example a movie that was described as family fun, was indeed family fun. No profanity, violence, drugs, sex, or LGBTQ nonsense. TV was good clean fun too. Playing video games, footy, - all of it was just fun.

Fast forward to the liberal society today, and Disney are releasing children movies promoting LGBTQ bakwaas (Buzz Lightyear - now hitting their share price), you have entertainment TV and papers lauding the likes of Sam Smith. You get the idea.

And if anyone thinks getting rid of a smartphone will help children, then you have no idea, children actually pick up way more at school, from language to interests.

Confine liberal media to the bins, promote family values in society, then one doesn't really need to worry about about children being influenced down the wrong path.

Of course, parenting also plays a role, but that's another story.

I agree but there is another HUGE factor.
In our times, you could not take the tv with you everywhere.
And this is what made you go out and play.

The problem is hand held devices - every kid has a smart phone/iPad. They want it in the car, while they eat, when they are in the restroom, while doing their homework, while brushing their teeth etc

It sounds strange but it has a HUGE impact.

Watching TV vs having a hand held device where you can watch or play whatever you want and whenever you want?
There is not even a comparison.

 

[IndoorCricket]

This is the age of tiktok, reels and shorts with short attention time span. There are studies which shows social media influencing teenagers in a -ve way. Any tom, dick and harry can be a influencer now with cheap data and mobiles. Children are more influenced now more than ever. Not saying thats not the case with previous generations but there are alot more people to be influenced from now a days.

 

[MenInG]

I agree but there is another HUGE factor.
In our times, you could not take the tv with you everywhere.
And this is what made you go out and play.

The problem is hand held devices - every kid has a smart phone/iPad. They want it in the car, while they eat, when they are in the restroom, while doing their homework, while brushing their teeth etc

It sounds strange but it has a HUGE impact.

Watching TV vs having a hand held device where you can watch or play whatever you want and whenever you want?
There is not even a comparison.

Correct.

This a huge challenge.

What the child sees at home type thinking is easily superceded by what he sees from his friends, on TV Ads, on their phones, on Billboards etc

Basically just namaz roza at home is not going to cut it.

The way religion is taught at home needs to be changed to be a more practical and "you must have seen this on social media, let me explain what that is" type discussions need to happen.

 

[Technics 1210]

I agree but there is another HUGE factor.
In our times, you could not take the tv with you everywhere.
And this is what made you go out and play.

The problem is hand held devices - every kid has a smart phone/iPad. They want it in the car, while they eat, when they are in the restroom, while doing their homework, while brushing their teeth etc

It sounds strange but it has a HUGE impact.

Watching TV vs having a hand held device where you can watch or play whatever you want and whenever you want?
There is not even a comparison.

I mentioned how to provide access control on children's smartphones in a post above; both at home and outside.

Of course what their class fellows share in school cannot be policed but restricting access from the smartphone is very very effective.

The trouble is, most parents do not know how to enable controlled/restricted access.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I was child in the 70's/80's and grew up watching Carry On films on prime time mainstream TV. These films had at least two gay actors and these films contained plenty of innuendo, both the homosexual and heterosexual variety.

Then we had tv shows hosted by Benny Hill and Kenny Everet, the music industry also had plenty of gay icons throughout the two decades.

The world has moved on and with the WWW and smart phones, there is certainly a lot more content available at the touch of a finger. As a parent you just have to instil good values and trust that they will grow up to be good decent human beings. I certainly don't think that by having more homosexual content on social media or having it tought at school is going to change the person you are.

I remember having to attend a sex ed class at secondary school and the teacher said that some boys might fantasise about other boys but that's something that happens during puberty and not to worry as these kids often grow out of it. Yet, I have friends in their 50's who are now openly gay, even though they didn't have smart phones or the WWW when growing up, some were brought up in a strict Catholic family and others in a Muslim family. Yet here we are.

So in my opinion, parenting can affect how you turn out as a human being but it's not going to change your sexual orientation. Same goes for what they teach you in school, when it comes to LGBT etc

You are right, there has been gay characterisation in British entertainment shows going back 50 years at least, but they were more a figure of fun, it was slapstick sort of humour. I am sure we've probably seen similar in Bollywood as well.

The difference today is that it is being shown as a desirable lifestyle where kids are brought up by two dads, or two mums, and the younger generation are being fed images that this is a good way of life. We are now getting shows depicting gay sex scenes on mainstream tv, pretty sure that wasn't happening 50 years ago.

It's all very well saying there's a 9pm watershed, but kids can access more or less anything on their phones these days.

 

[Technics 1210]

Summary of media content:

Carry On movies/Benny Hill : You knew what to expect.

Disney movies of today : Expectation is clean family fun, but instead turns out to be LGBTQ propaganda - example : Buzz Lightyear movie.

Take a look at Disney's share price, it has pummeled, because the perception was that the majority supported LGBTQ nonsense, when in reality the majority do not. This is why Robert Iger was reinstated as Disney CEO; to get Disney back to its roots of clean family fun. Disney is just one example.

Simply, the liberal agenda is now a trojan horse.

 

[shaz619]

Parenting is a big job and there is so much fitna now, more than ever before. In the past when we use to muck around it was usually due to playing sport etc and the odd video game here and there. Now you got social media, kids don’t play and are glued to their screens constantly and start to idolise various personalities etc.

Sometimes parenting can be on point but the kid still turns out to be a wasteman, so it’s a tough one to answer but parents can do their best to ensure kids avoid the usual traps.

Then there are school’s, you could be teaching them the right stuff but then some gori tells kids it’s ok to like the same sex and what not. [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] it seems like the syllabus wont change but the best you can do is send the kids to islamic schools and hope the muslims can communicate the syllabus in the best way possible, at least in Brum we have these options but they do come at a cost, in my view an Islamic school is a must especially at the primary school stage, even if you’re going to be in debt.

 

[shaz619]

LGBTQ in the past and now are two different kettle of fish. Right now it is on par with an extremist ideology and young people risk being radicalised, this is the sad truth, treat it in the same way

 

[Champ_Pal]

LGBTQ in the past and now are two different kettle of fish. Right now it is on par with an extremist ideology and young people risk being radicalised, this is the sad truth, treat it in the same way

Any ideology when it tries to impose its will on others is dangerous. People need to have the right to choose what they want to be. But they should not force others to acknowledge their beliefs and convictions.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Summary of media content:

Carry On movies/Benny Hill : You knew what to expect.

Disney movies of today : Expectation is clean family fun, but instead turns out to be LGBTQ propaganda - example : Buzz Lightyear movie.

Take a look at Disney's share price, it has pummeled, because the perception was that the majority supported LGBTQ nonsense, when in reality the majority do not. This is why Robert Iger was reinstated as Disney CEO; to get Disney back to its roots of clean family fun. Disney is just one example.

Simply, the liberal agenda is now a trojan horse.

Disney is a great example where people say enough is enough, and where what people say in public is not matched in private where they vote with their wallet.

 

[SalimBhai]

I was child in the 70's/80's and grew up watching Carry On films on prime time mainstream TV. These films had at least two gay actors and these films contained plenty of innuendo, both the homosexual and heterosexual variety.

Then we had tv shows hosted by Benny Hill and Kenny Everet, the music industry also had plenty of gay icons throughout the two decades.

The world has moved on and with the WWW and smart phones, there is certainly a lot more content available at the touch of a finger. As a parent you just have to instil good values and trust that they will grow up to be good decent human beings. I certainly don't think that by having more homosexual content on social media or having it tought at school is going to change the person you are.

I remember having to attend a sex ed class at secondary school and the teacher said that some boys might fantasise about other boys but that's something that happens during puberty and not to worry as these kids often grow out of it. Yet, I have friends in their 50's who are now openly gay, even though they didn't have smart phones or the WWW when growing up, some were brought up in a strict Catholic family and others in a Muslim family. Yet here we are.

So in my opinion, parenting can affect how you turn out as a human being but it's not going to change your sexual orientation. Same goes for what they teach you in school, when it comes to LGBT etc

Nice post

 

[Itachi]

From my perspective, gone are the days when parents could force their opinion on children.

Instead of telling them X is good, Y is bad..... Teach them how to differentiate it and then observe their analysing abilities over time. We often underestimate the logical analysing power of a child. They have their own algorithm to find between good and bad. We, as parents, just need to fine tune it.

Once they gain the ability little by little, you will be able to trust their judgment instead of dictating them what to do in every aspect.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Parenting is a big job and there is so much fitna now, more than ever before. In the past when we use to muck around it was usually due to playing sport etc and the odd video game here and there. Now you got social media, kids don’t play and are glued to their screens constantly and start to idolise various personalities etc.

Sometimes parenting can be on point but the kid still turns out to be a wasteman, so it’s a tough one to answer but parents can do their best to ensure kids avoid the usual traps.

Then there are school’s, you could be teaching them the right stuff but then some gori tells kids it’s ok to like the same sex and what not. [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] it seems like the syllabus wont change but the best you can do is send the kids to islamic schools and hope the muslims can communicate the syllabus in the best way possible, at least in Brum we have these options but they do come at a cost, in my view an Islamic school is a must especially at the primary school stage, even if you’re going to be in debt.

Good point.

The environment can cause parenting to be more difficult. I went to a school where most of the time, I was the only Asian in class. Being bought up as a Muslim, it was confusing when at school the it seemed a different world. At that time too, parents were busy working or looking after the siblings.

I wouldnt judge any parents in the UK from Asian background, its very difficult. However even with western influences it doesnt mean the child will grow up with a bad attitude and indulge in bad deeds.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I was child in the 70's/80's and grew up watching Carry On films on prime time mainstream TV. These films had at least two gay actors and these films contained plenty of innuendo, both the homosexual and heterosexual variety.

Then we had tv shows hosted by Benny Hill and Kenny Everet, the music industry also had plenty of gay icons throughout the two decades.

The world has moved on and with the WWW and smart phones, there is certainly a lot more content available at the touch of a finger. As a parent you just have to instil good values and trust that they will grow up to be good decent human beings. I certainly don't think that by having more homosexual content on social media or having it tought at school is going to change the person you are.

I remember having to attend a sex ed class at secondary school and the teacher said that some boys might fantasise about other boys but that's something that happens during puberty and not to worry as these kids often grow out of it. Yet, I have friends in their 50's who are now openly gay, even though they didn't have smart phones or the WWW when growing up, some were brought up in a strict Catholic family and others in a Muslim family. Yet here we are.

So in my opinion, parenting can affect how you turn out as a human being but it's not going to change your sexual orientation. Same goes for what they teach you in school, when it comes to LGBT etc

Interesting post.

I would say most wont change but the environment growing up could lead to confusion and a dramatic change. Eg. If in school homosexuality is not just taught but promoted , as it is these days this could lead to issues. In those days you talk of, it was mentioned , allowed to be laughed at, allowed to be criticised, now its impossible.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Summary of media content:

Carry On movies/Benny Hill : You knew what to expect.

Disney movies of today : Expectation is clean family fun, but instead turns out to be LGBTQ propaganda - example : Buzz Lightyear movie.

Take a look at Disney's share price, it has pummeled, because the perception was that the majority supported LGBTQ nonsense, when in reality the majority do not. This is why Robert Iger was reinstated as Disney CEO; to get Disney back to its roots of clean family fun. Disney is just one example.

Simply, the liberal agenda is now a trojan horse.

Agree, today there is a clear agenda to PROMOTE certain behaviour. Reason why you see BBC docus on being Muslim and gay etc. This would never have been aired in the 70's/80's as they didnt want to push lifestyles down others who are clearly against it.

Here is a good example.

"Gay and Muslim: Family wanted to 'make me better'"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/newsbeat-59320090

His family are trying to explain to him , this is a choice yet the BBC and this chap twist to read as if his family are cave people who are backward. Hence more promotion for Muslims to ponder.

 

[KingKhanWC]

From my perspective, gone are the days when parents could force their opinion on children.

Instead of telling them X is good, Y is bad..... Teach them how to differentiate it and then observe their analysing abilities over time. We often underestimate the logical analysing power of a child. They have their own algorithm to find between good and bad. We, as parents, just need to fine tune it.

Once they gain the ability little by little, you will be able to trust their judgment instead of dictating them what to do in every aspect.

With education , sports this makes sense but with morals it doesnt.

Children want a guiding figure from a young age, the parents are the best not some social media celeb or Mr Jones in first school.

Morals should only be taught by parents, the rest any info is always great.