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Are India-Pakistan contests worth the hype these days?

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I don't think it is even a contest to begin with.

As soon as fixtures of a tournament are announced, the hype starts about getting the tickets for the match.

When the tickets are available, they are sold out in a few minutes.

Fans further hype the clash to the moon and look forward to settle past scores.

Media steps in and organizers come out
with flashy adverts.

Biggest Sporting Rivalry in the World. Arch Rivals bla bla bla.

Some fans are ready to use this occasion for displaying their political support for various movements.


But when the match day arrives, the India -Pakistan lately produces the most boring and one sided contests on offer these days. As if an Indian win over Pakistan is given.

People are happy over the win but nobody is celebrating like they used to 6-7 years ago. It's more like a formality that is done and nothing surprising or well earned.

On a personal front, today after a long time I organized for my whole family to watch
Cricket together because it is afterall India v/s Pakistan but they left midway during the match when Azhar-Hafeez were tuk tuking because according to them what's the point in watching further when the result is so obvious.

I don't think people enjoy watching a weak Pakistan getting bashed by Dominant India. The rivalry, if only based on political disturbances and history, is becoming shallow and need quality players in both sides to produce exciting contests.
 
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Nah Pakistan doesn't have any star players like Afridi. India has the best bowling attack and their batting would have challenged Aussies of the 2000s era
 
More excited about India Bangladesh these days atleast you know Bangla is more likely to surprise India than Pakistan.
 
Thing is it's not a just a cricket rivalry right. There is a political dimension to it too hence the hype. If it was jsut cricket it would have died down like WI-Aus etc.
 
Since i have not seen them in a while i couldn't wait for the match to start. But after seeing i felt let down by inept , spineless performances by Pakistan. They simply lack quality. You can slice and dice anyway you want, there is definite paucity of talent. Even at their very best these guys will struggle to beat them.
 
Only exciting thing about Ind-Pak encounters are to see if our players can boost their stats. Pandya got 2 wickets,Umesh's average is not reflecting how improved he has been in recent times,so he gets 3 cheap wickets.

Rohit,Shikhar,Yuvraj can play themselves to form...Virat can boost his legend

So sure there are some positives
 
I don't know where the hype comes from apart from these forums. I tried to shoot it down in every thread I posted, and most sensible Pakistan fans stayed away from the ground which was mostly packed by Indian fans. These game are a foregone conclusion before they start, and not because India are some unbeatable side either.

You won't get a proper contest unless the whole system is ripped up and the rotten old guard cleared out of the team.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I don't know where the hype comes from apart from these forums. I tried to shoot it down in every thread I posted, and most sensible Pakistan fans stayed away from the ground which was mostly packed by Indian fans. These game are a foregone conclusion before they start, and not because India are some unbeatable side either.

You won't get a proper contest unless the whole system is ripped up and the rotten old guard cleared out of the team.
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Lol, these forums are most funny with " how do you plan to watch the match " and " your feelings after the game " threads.

The Pakistan team doesn't deserve any hope from the fans. Not worth it.
 
I think Pakistan is probably at an all time low. Actually, feeling sad for them. Just like I used to feel sad, when we were pummeled by them time and again in Sharjah. We need some even contests and some fight. A defeat is OK, but a fight needs to be put up...This is lacking in Pakistan now...

I just hope Pakistan comes out of this slump sooner. They were doing alright in Tests but in ODIs, they have become worse.
 
Seriously not at all.

I have many friends and relatives and no one was as excited as I had seen in the past, it was all too expected.

One of my friends a couple of weeks ago said "India declare karke maaregi, dekhna kya hai"
 
Its just sad how this rivalry has lost all its charm by becoming one-sided. And frankly we are at fault; over the last 8 years, Pakistan has not improved its limited overs cricket standards - the world changed around them: Australia introduced the likes of Warner, Maxwell, Smith; England have Root, Hales, Morgan; India got Kohli, Sharma etc.
Pakistan stuck to mediocrity in the likes of Hafeez and Ahmed Shahzad - players of the strike rate of 75 who just couldn't rotate strike as much.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
You say no now but come the next match and everyone will be hyped again.
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Because of border skirmishes and not because Pakistan team is worthy of a contest or has any quality players .

Fans will come, get hyped and will get disappointed and bored with the one sided Indian victory just like today.
 
The ICC can help by slotting both of these teams in different groups. And if they come together like in the 2011 World Cup, that's a clash which everyone will look forward to - it will have context and a lot on the line for both.
 
Politically and the long duration between the matches causes the hype,match content wise its going down.
 
Indeed - it'll remain for ever. Just like, still Germany vs Hungary is a clutch fixture in soccer world.
 
Indian fans don't even take our team seriously.

The match was finished for them after 48 overs.
 
Cricket-wise, it was Zim vs India. Only political aspect added a bit of hype.
 
Ofcourse it's much bigger than a cricket rivalry.. Doesn't matter the competitiveness of the match the hype would always remain till political issues are resolved..
 
Varun said:
The ICC can help by slotting both of these teams in different groups. And if they come together like in the 2011 World Cup, that's a clash which everyone will look forward to - it will have context and a lot on the line for both.
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But then if they don't will ICC risk losing the biggest moolah making match?
 
It's hyped cause of the history, the Lakers and Celtics rivalry may be one sided these days but it still makes it worth watching cause of the history between the teams.
 
Pakistanian said:
It's hyped cause of the history, the Lakers and Celtics rivalry may be one sided these days but it still makes it worth watching cause of the history between the teams.
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So the last match was worth watching for you? Do you enjoy such low quality battles?

You do know even the Ashes had become boring for a period when Australia were thumping England left right center till 2005 when England team began to fight back.
 
czar said:
So the last match was worth watching for you? Do you enjoy such low quality battles?

You do know even the Ashes had become boring for a period when Australia were thumping England left right center till 2005 when England team began to fight back.
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The Ashes are a pure cricketing rivalry. England Australia have a great political relationship.
 
Not at all.

Kind of takes the spice out of the games when one team is so inferior in quality.
 
At this rate our head 2 head record vs India will soon be gone too.

This was the FIRST India vs Pakistan encounter where before the match I had 0 hope. Before my head would always say India will win but my heart would always say Pakistan. Before this match both head and heart said India will win.

This is the worst Pakistan team EVER.
 
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Lol most of the Indians be like.. Jab itna kharab khelna hi Tha Tha to hamara din zaya kyu Kiya... To pak
 
Pak-India encounters are over-hyped. The result is pre-determined - an Indian victory - because the difference in skills and abilities of the two teams is staggering. It is a huge mismatch.
 
m.shah said:
Lol most of the Indians be like.. Jab itna kharab khelna hi Tha Tha to hamara din zaya kyu Kiya... To pak
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True. Had an important day yesterday...had to complete some key work related deliverable. Wasted precious time watching Azhar, Hafeez and co.

A few folks I know were super confident that we will stroll through this and stopped watching after few overs of Pak's batting. Not even a bit of pressure of an India - Pakistan match.
 
Pakistan are minnows , hype is created because of the rivalry between two countries now not the cricketing nations.
 
It will be much more of a contest if Pakistan had bat first!

Have no idea what went through Sarfraz's mind when he though the batting line up could chase a score, Ridiculous!

Had Pakistan batted first, Azhar laid a foundation for the rest, say a 240-250 score was probable at the very least. The batsmen could have gone about their business without score board pressure.

The bowlers would have had the hard task of defending the score, but a good 10 over spell and maybe some pressure on the Indian batsmen.

Even if India won it would have atleast looked like a contest. Yesterday's debacle made the team look like an associate side. Need to get their head out of their backsides and play to their strengths rather than look for the oppositions weaknesses.

Wahab Riaz was supposed to scare Indian batsmen with his pace! Seriously, do international batsmen actually fear Wahab?! Using Wahab against batsmen is like hoping a grenade can cure one's cancer.

India is the better team and would win most encounters, but Pakistan is a far better side than the inept buffoonery that was on disply yesterday!
 
It hasn't been for a while, especially in ICC events. India-Pakistan has become extremely one-sided because there's a clear gulf in quality between the two teams. Pakistan's batting and fielding is pathetic compared to international standards and the bowling is getting progressively worse as well. Add to the fact that against India in these matches they're like a deer caught in the headlights and the result is a foregone conclusion. It was surprising to see many posters here actually hopeful of a strong showing from Pakistan, in particular from their batting. I honestly thought once we crossed 250 it would already have been out of Pakistan's reach because they tend to self-destruct under pressure.
 
Trust me...I have seen Pakistan walloping India - the likes of Wasim and Waqar scything through our batting line up even in flat pitches. I used to hate getting beaten repeatedly (a win by Pakistan was almost a foregone conclusion barring very few exceptions) but purely as a cricket lover you just admired the skills and mental strength of your opponets - Imran's poetry in motion kind of a run up, Wasim's masterful swing and all round skills and Waqar's blistering pace and toe crushers. Miandad's last ball six had a lasting effect after all.

I guess all of that changed during the 96 quarter final clash. Subsequent matches have not been so one sided in Pakistan's favor(Asia cup final 98? A random Chauhan six sealing the deal in an ODI in Pakistan in 97 come to mind)

But after the SRT 98 in 2003 India is on an upswing. True there have been close series - 2004, 2006 (the former where India crossed the borders undefeated and the latter where Pakistan crossed the borders undefeated).

So what has caused the subsequent decline? I think Cricket has become more of game driven by data and coaching - sure you need skill to succeed but that alone would not suffice. I guess India with better finances and support teams scores better in this aspect. Believe me, I as a fan have gone through what an average Pakistani fan is going through with respect to repeated defeats. Sadly it needs a systemic change in the running of Pakistan cricket in my opinion and a lot of minds and people need to come together to reverse this. Will it happen? For the sake of Cricket, I hope so. Leaving aside politics, world cricket cannot lose another proud cricketing nation that has given so many legends to the game..
 
How can we compete when our best talent keep getting banned? amir just came back after 5 years asif gone butt was a decent opener atleast on these batting friendly wickets hes gone too. after ages we found an attacking game changer opener sharjeel. hes in hot waters too! mohamad irfan was lot better than this hack wahab. hes banned too! look where is nasir jamshed. he was doing fine untill we tried to turn him in to a fittness model rather than a batsman and he lost it completly. in desperation he has fallen in hands of bookies.we dont want runs from umar akmal we want him to show six pack abs and big guns popping out of his sleeves. Sohail khan was best bowler in psl but we want him to look slim not taking wickets.we dont want to drop hafeez so instead of a proper middle order batsman who can take singles doubles to keep scoreboard ticking.batsman who had best average in domestic is always on sidelines(fawad). bowler who is averaging under 20 from many seasons cannot find a place even in national cup or whatever its called.
We have to bulls at the top! One keeps begging india other keeps saying No!
after reading all this if you still find some hope then please send some of that to me too.
 
leg-side-flick said:
In a India Vs Pak match I still get to see Amir Vs Indian batsman contest....

What is there in India vs BD
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Do u know a batsman named Tamim who thrashed the Indian bowlers to oblivion and made them pack their bag for an early exit from 07 wc?

That Tamim wasn't even half as good of a batsman as he's now. Don't think Tamim vs Indian bowlers contest will be that bad.
 
shortbread said:
It will be much more of a contest if Pakistan had bat first!

Have no idea what went through Sarfraz's mind when he though the batting line up could chase a score, Ridiculous!

Had Pakistan batted first, Azhar laid a foundation for the rest, say a 240-250 score was probable at the very least. The batsmen could have gone about their business without score board pressure.

The bowlers would have had the hard task of defending the score, but a good 10 over spell and maybe some pressure on the Indian batsmen.

Even if India won it would have atleast looked like a contest. Yesterday's debacle made the team look like an associate side. Need to get their head out of their backsides and play to their strengths rather than look for the oppositions weaknesses.

Wahab Riaz was supposed to scare Indian batsmen with his pace! Seriously, do international batsmen actually fear Wahab?! Using Wahab against batsmen is like hoping a grenade can cure one's cancer.

India is the better team and would win most encounters, but Pakistan is a far better side than the inept buffoonery that was on disply yesterday!
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LOL at 90s thinking. Believing you can defend 250 totals LOL. Please stop watching cricket. You don't get it.
 
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