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Are Indian fans genuinely unsupportive of Pakistani cricket?

What the Indian fans want us to know and accept...

1. Pakistanis are cheats. They cheat their nation through match fixing, they cheat with ball tampering, they cheat with their age and they cheat with their bowling action. It’s the same old, same old propaganda.

2. Pakistanis cannot bat. They can’t field, they cannot keep up with fitness and athletic standards.

3. Pakistani administration is the worst administration office in the entire world.
 
What the Indian fans want us to know and accept...

1. Pakistanis are cheats. They cheat their nation through match fixing, they cheat with ball tampering, they cheat with their age and they cheat with their bowling action. It’s the same old, same old propaganda.

2. Pakistanis cannot bat. They can’t field, they cannot keep up with fitness and athletic standards.

3. Pakistani administration is the worst administration office in the entire world.

Do you disagree?
 
It’s rich that all of these negative, forceful realisations are coming from India...they clearly have been perfect forever
 
[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] has been a regular contributor and he's a good bloke. We must respect what he has to say and try to understand his point rather than attacking him like the kind of trolls who made him open this discussion in the first place.

I would say the trolling is quite balanced from both sides but from India's side it's gotten a lot more political over the years. The administrators, IPL teams have all succumbed to government pressure to maintain a generally anti Pakidtani stance. The media has been worst. The negative campaign against anything to do with Pakistan is shameful.

To my friends like.Rana and others on this forum, i will only day that you can feel good about the fact that Indian politics and media have hurt their own nation way more than their intended target. From a rising Asian economic giant and a model democracy of its own kind, India has now fallen way beyond grace now.

We were not this bad. Imran and Wasim Akram have been loved by Indian fans who never let their country of origin get in the way of the respect and admiration they deserved. We loved going to Pakistan in 2004 to play an iconic series. We loved to see Shoaib Akhtar setting thr IPL on fire at Eden Gardens .

I am sad it came to this.

I remain hopeful that things will get better.

-Bhaijaan
 
You didn't answer my question.

Do you disagree with the 3 points that you wrote?

Why do Indian cricket fans/Indians want Pakistanis to know this publically even though they know it full well that their players and board have let down the fans in the past? And have India earned this right because they have never been guilty of such things before?
 
[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] has been a regular contributor and he's a good bloke. We must respect what he has to say and try to understand his point rather than attacking him like the kind of trolls who made him open this discussion in the first place.

I would say the trolling is quite balanced from both sides but from India's side it's gotten a lot more political over the years. The administrators, IPL teams have all succumbed to government pressure to maintain a generally anti Pakidtani stance. The media has been worst. The negative campaign against anything to do with Pakistan is shameful.

To my friends like.Rana and others on this forum, i will only day that you can feel good about the fact that Indian politics and media have hurt their own nation way more than their intended target. From a rising Asian economic giant and a model democracy of its own kind, India has now fallen way beyond grace now.

We were not this bad. Imran and Wasim Akram have been loved by Indian fans who never let their country of origin get in the way of the respect and admiration they deserved. We loved going to Pakistan in 2004 to play an iconic series. We loved to see Shoaib Akhtar setting thr IPL on fire at Eden Gardens .

I am sad it came to this.

I remain hopeful that things will get better.

-Bhaijaan

You are my brother. Not that I view you or others like you in this world as Indians and therefore my respect for such people is because I want to show love to Indians, no it’s because I’ve never viewed such people as any different to me. And believe me the good people of Pakistan know what you are saying is true.
 
A very good thread this.

Hate has a very bright future as most leaderships around the world use hate as a means, whether it be sports or politics or any other field.

I know growing up as a kid I really use to support Bangladesh and India. This support has subsided over the years due to the amount of hate Pakistan has received from their side. Thats just how it is. I am sure everyone has their reasons for hate but sport should always be kept separate from politics.
 
current indian attack has results to prove how good they truly are in test cricket.

in saying that imran and wasim are hard to displace from an Asia 11 even in test cricket.

bumrah would be in the top 11 for sure based on his ability but he still has some way to go in terms of longevity.

shami probably could make it too. Better than akthar. waqar underperformed vs the best teams so I dint include him.

I could also argue Aqib Javed would have been an Indian ATG fast bowler had he been born on the other side of the border, he was overshadowed by the great combination of Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis, also he was 3rd fiddle to when Imran khan was the captain of Pakistan and Wasim Akram was emerging alongside him.

So the Babar to Indian batsmen theory is equally debunked. And no Shami is not on Shoaib Akhtar’s level as a fast bowler, SA has a bigger stake at an Asian all time XI. As much as the guy is a loose canon with his attitude and off field comments, the guy was a gun bowler and a big wicket taker. His injuries have let him down, but there is no denying that the guy was a champion bowler on song. Shami is brilliant but i respectfully do not agree with your assessment
 
A very good thread this.

Hate has a very bright future as most leaderships around the world use hate as a means, whether it be sports or politics or any other field.

I know growing up as a kid I really use to support Bangladesh and India. This support has subsided over the years due to the amount of hate Pakistan has received from their side. Thats just how it is. I am sure everyone has their reasons for hate but sport should always be kept separate from politics.

Afghanistan has also started to go down this path. Why attack our fans during the wc the way their fans did?
 
Why do Indian cricket fans/Indians want Pakistanis to know this publically even though they know it full well that their players and board have let down the fans in the past? And have India earned this right because they have never been guilty of such things before?

Forget Indian fans.

Forget what Indian fans wants you to think.

I am talking about you. Your thoughts, your judgment.

Do YOU disagree with the 3 points that you wrote?
 
A very good thread this.

Hate has a very bright future as most leaderships around the world use hate as a means, whether it be sports or politics or any other field.

I know growing up as a kid I really use to support Bangladesh and India. This support has subsided over the years due to the amount of hate Pakistan has received from their side. Thats just how it is. I am sure everyone has their reasons for hate but sport should always be kept separate from politics.

This is what I wrote before. It's a loop. A triggers B and then B triggers A.
 
Afghanistan has also started to go down this path. Why attack our fans during the wc the way their fans did?

Yep that was very nasty. Irony is that most of the Afghan immigrants that we come across in Pakistan are just lovely and hard working people. And so this is a very confusing situation.
 
Forget Indian fans.

Forget what Indian fans wants you to think.

I am talking about you. Your thoughts, your judgment.

Do YOU disagree with the 3 points that you wrote?

I believe they have cheated and have been caught for this. Justice has not fully been served as many have got away as well.

In terms of match fixing I don’t believe Pakistan is the biggest culprit, they have been the poorest when it come to hiding their tracks.

In terms of age fudging, this is only a big deal up until u19 level and I’m not sure how it matters so much? If you are a garbage player you will be exposed at the real stage regardless if you have fudged your age. If you can play, you will show your ability when it matters.

Administration, this can be better I admit.

I’m being as realistic as I can about this, but if an Indian fan uses all of this to taunt me and degrade me then I will tear them to shreds as well for their incompetence or hypocrisy on these matters.
 
I believe they have cheated and have been caught for this. Justice has not fully been served as many have got away as well.

In terms of match fixing I don’t believe Pakistan is the biggest culprit, they have been the poorest when it come to hiding their tracks.

In terms of age fudging, this is only a big deal up until u19 level and I’m not sure how it matters so much? If you are a garbage player you will be exposed at the real stage regardless if you have fudged your age. If you can play, you will show your ability when it matters.

Administration, this can be better I admit.

I’m being as realistic as I can about this, but if an Indian fan uses all of this to taunt me and degrade me then I will tear them to shreds as well for their incompetence or hypocrisy on these matters.

I appreciate the honest response.

Now, let's say this. If an indian person wrote the above (same as you did) , will you feel that, that Indian fan has negative attitude towards Pakistan cricket?
 
I have no doubt in my mind that the Hindutva Indians dont want any good for Pakistan and Pakistan cricket by that proxy.

They are happy to see Pakistan not being able to play cricket at home. They are happy to see us lose. They try to undermine us at every point.
 
You think you have got me where you wanted because you are expecting a politically correct answer. However, if you want the truth, I will give you the truth in explicit terms.

If I didn’t have the misfortune of being a Pakistani and if I were a cricket aficionado in some other country, Pakistan would have been the last team that I would have supported.

I despise everything about Pakistan cricket - I think the team is completely garbage, our cricket culture is rotten to the core, and I hate how deluded are fans are. Moreover, I have no love or respect for our cricket history.

If you expect positivity, passion and love for Pakistan cricket, you are looking at the wrong person.

There is a difference between criticising the current Pakistan Cricket Team and hating Pakistan's cricketing history.

You have the right to criticise the current team as we lack world class players, our overall performances have been mediocre for quite a few years now, and controversies have been a part of our cricket as well.

However, to say that you hate/disrespect Pakistan's cricketing history has only 2 reasons behind it :

1. You are nothing more than an attention seeker.

2. You don't have any love or respect for some of the proudest moments in your country's achievements, despite earning and living in that same country.
 
He's not asking for that at all. What he's saying is that some are just full of hatred and will never respect Pakistan players and will always look for negatives, which is what we see from some here on PakPassion.
So what if they are full of hatred? Why does that bother him enough to create a thread about it?

Like I said, sounds like he wants Indians to support Pakistan cricket when he could just as easily have ignored the haters.
 
So what if they are full of hatred? Why does that bother him enough to create a thread about it?

Like I said, sounds like he wants Indians to support Pakistan cricket when he could just as easily have ignored the haters.

Do they have this much hatred for their so called new rival Australia?
 
So what if they are full of hatred? Why does that bother him enough to create a thread about it?

Like I said, sounds like he wants Indians to support Pakistan cricket when he could just as easily have ignored the haters.

because they are plaguing the forum. this forum is not to show your bigotry. i mean criticism must be constructive rather than just criticism for the sake of criticism .
belittling every achievement of pak players is blatant disrespect.
moreover, it is not only indians, there is a pakistani as well.
 
So what if they are full of hatred? Why does that bother him enough to create a thread about it?

He's entitled to highlight a concern he has. I don't think he needs your permission to create the thread. If you don't like the thread, don't post in it.
 
He's entitled to highlight a concern he has. I don't think he needs your permission to create the thread. If you don't like the thread, don't post in it.
Never said I don't like it. In fact, I find it amusing because he comes across as wanting Indians to support Pakistani cricket.
 
because they are plaguing the forum. this forum is not to show your bigotry. i mean criticism must be constructive rather than just criticism for the sake of criticism .
belittling every achievement of pak players is blatant disrespect.
moreover, it is not only indians, there is a pakistani as well.
There are plenty of Pakistani posters who speak irrationally either while praising or criticising certain players, even their own. People are going to speak emotionally. If people are biased, they're biased. As long as they're not abusing anyone, I don't see the problem.
 
Never said I don't like it. In fact, I find it amusing because he comes across as wanting Indians to support Pakistani cricket.

there is a difference between supporting and appreciating. i dont support india but i love to watch kohli bat and admire his abilities. i even feel he's the goat.
 
Never said I don't like it. In fact, I find it amusing because he comes across as wanting Indians to support Pakistani cricket.

I don't think he wants support. I think he just wants them to be reasonable which isn't much to ask.

Maybe it's a bit too much to ask of some people to be civil and speak with manners.
 
There are plenty of Pakistani posters who speak irrationally either while praising or criticising certain players, even their own. People are going to speak emotionally. If people are biased, they're biased. As long as they're not abusing anyone, I don't see the problem.

if someone is a bigot, he is a bigot . this argument is wrong on so many levels
if you dont see any problem it does not mean there isn't any.
 
What the Indian fans want us to know and accept...

1. Pakistanis are cheats. They cheat their nation through match fixing, they cheat with ball tampering, they cheat with their age and they cheat with their bowling action. It’s the same old, same old propaganda.

2. Pakistanis cannot bat. They can’t field, they cannot keep up with fitness and athletic standards.

3. Pakistani administration is the worst administration office in the entire world.

1) some cheat as proven. some don't.

2) Pakistan has had several great batsmen. inzi younis yousef etc. They can't play bounce. that is true but babar has shown that he can play the short ball well.

3) don't care about pak admin and what they do is their prerogative.
 
I could also argue Aqib Javed would have been an Indian ATG fast bowler had he been born on the other side of the border, he was overshadowed by the great combination of Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis, also he was 3rd fiddle to when Imran khan was the captain of Pakistan and Wasim Akram was emerging alongside him.

So the Babar to Indian batsmen theory is equally debunked. And no Shami is not on Shoaib Akhtar’s level as a fast bowler, SA has a bigger stake at an Asian all time XI. As much as the guy is a loose canon with his attitude and off field comments, the guy was a gun bowler and a big wicket taker. His injuries have let him down, but there is no denying that the guy was a champion bowler on song. Shami is brilliant but i respectfully do not agree with your assessment

akthar was only good in jamodi's that don't matter like sharjah cup and other rubbish tournaments. I don't recall him ever stepping up in the world cup. shami was far better in the world cup tournaments and champions trophy. in 2015 shami bowled with an injury throughout the tournament.

I agree in tests so far akthar has been slightly better but 2015-2019 shami has been better than any version of akthar too. what was akthar's record vs australia, india again? I don't believe it was anything special.

I agree with you about wasim and imran. There is no question about those 2 guys being in Asia 11 of all time. rest are all debatable.
 
Do they have this much hatred for their so called new rival Australia?

I do and I live in Australia. Only a sporting hatred. love the country. Aussies and pommies are the ones we should all be hating in sport. I absolutely despise australua and England in cricket.

india, pakistan Lanka etc. it's Asia vs the world. I for one would prefer an Asian team to win the world test championship over any western country after india ofcourse. The problem arises when desi people start taunting their neighbours when they win a championship title. If that cpuld somehow be curbed then we wouldn't see threads like these emerge on pakpassion.
 
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Also I must add that most of us on this forum are also guilty of sharing derogatory posts about Indian cricket. Remember many of us would always make fun of the fact that they havent produced fast bowlers etc.

However, the key difference is that many of us will accept that their current attack is excellent whereas the current generation of Indians will always be minimal in their praise of Pakistan.
 
Also I must add that most of us on this forum are also guilty of sharing derogatory posts about Indian cricket. Remember many of us would always make fun of the fact that they havent produced fast bowlers etc.

However, the key difference is that many of us will accept that their current attack is excellent whereas the current generation of Indians will always be minimal in their praise of Pakistan.

not true at all. Most india fans respect babar, amir etc. hasan ali started this whole fiasco when he taunted the indian soldiers at the border like an idiot.
If anything people should blame him. Then the 10 wicket remark lol and yet indian fans were actually quite subtle with the trolling when he went wicketless vs india in the Asia cup.
 
That was actually the point. Someone showed you the reason but you disregard it because it doesn't fit your agenda.

Its time people not only complain but also analyze why it is happening.

Read the thread before commenting. The question is if not why rather if India is unsupportive of Pak Cricket. This is why your reply does not make any sense coz you are on about something that is not being asked.
 
Read the thread before commenting. The question is if not why rather if India is unsupportive of Pak Cricket. This is why your reply does not make any sense coz you are on about something that is not being asked.

"unsupportive" is a relative term. Where you draw the line between "criticism" and being "unsupportive"?

For example, let's say a student X has the potential but lacks discipline hence he is under performing. If someone points to that, that isn't "unsupportive". Rather that is genuine concern.
 
"unsupportive" is a relative term. Where you draw the line between "criticism" and being "unsupportive"?

For example, let's say a student X has the potential but lacks discipline hence he is under performing. If someone points to that, that isn't "unsupportive". Rather that is genuine concern.

Unsupportive meaning they do not want Pak Cricket to prosper. Criticism in this context would be criticising Cricket in Pakistan for whatever reason. Now, Pak Cricket being a mess is our not their problem. Your student story does nothing for me.
 
there is a difference between supporting and appreciating. i dont support india but i love to watch kohli bat and admire his abilities. i even feel he's the goat.
Which is great, but you can't expect people to behave the way you do just because you think it's right. A lot of Western people would judge you on the way you live your life because they think it's backward or whatever. Would you change yourself for them?

Like I said, people have a bias. Maybe even hatred. But as long as it doesn't lead to abuse on this forum, I don't think there should be a problem. And what Indians say outside this forum shouldn't be of concern to this forum anyway.

I don't think he wants support. I think he just wants them to be reasonable which isn't much to ask.

Maybe it's a bit too much to ask of some people to be civil and speak with manners.
But why does he care so much about what Indians think about his players? He sounds desperate for Indians' appreciation almost to validate what he thinks of his own players.

Also, there's a difference between being reasonable and being civil. I think most of the Indian posters on this forum are civil even if you find their opinions to be unreasonable.
 
Guys please keep all comments on this thread related to cricket only
 
Which is great, but you can't expect people to behave the way you do just because you think it's right. A lot of Western people would judge you on the way you live your life because they think it's backward or whatever. Would you change yourself for them?

Like I said, people have a bias. Maybe even hatred. But as long as it doesn't lead to abuse on this forum, I don't think there should be a problem. And what Indians say outside this forum shouldn't be of concern to this forum anyway.


But why does he care so much about what Indians think about his players? He sounds desperate for Indians' appreciation almost to validate what he thinks of his own players.

Also, there's a difference between being reasonable and being civil. I think most of the Indian posters on this forum are civil even if you find their opinions to be unreasonable.

You can insult people whilst being civil - its the underlying sentiment that comes through.
 
You can insult people whilst being civil - its the underlying sentiment that comes through.
That would require you to have a pretty low threshold for an "insult".

I: "Babar Azam is not a great batsman."
P: ">: THAT'S INSULTING!"
 
You can insult people whilst being civil - its the underlying sentiment that comes through.

"insulting" is a relative term. What is insulting for one, may not be for another.

The question is, are people becoming too soft where they even take opposing opinions as insults?
 
What the Indian fans want us to know and accept...

1. Pakistanis are cheats. They cheat their nation through match fixing, they cheat with ball tampering, they cheat with their age and they cheat with their bowling action. It’s the same old, same old propaganda.

2. Pakistanis cannot bat. They can’t field, they cannot keep up with fitness and athletic standards.

3. Pakistani administration is the worst administration office in the entire world.

Point no.1 is true on match fixing and directly a result of not clamping down hard on match fixing against 90s superstars. That toxic culture followed by Inzy groupism and fanaticism sowed seeds for the worst betrayal by Butt, Amir and Asif. Since then in Misbah-Sarf eras the prima donna and groupism culture has been almost eliminated

2. Pakistan are in a fallow era for batting, but selectors have propagated this by continually picking TTFs like Hafeez/Malik. Fitness wise frankly team is not so bad but guys like Sarf/Haris/Sharjeel/Umar give team a bad rap with unprofessional fitness standards

3. PCB has been unprofessional, politicky and shameless for long so poor image is well deserved. But hopefully new efforts (PSL execution in Pakistan, success of new FC structure) will revamp image
 
Point no.1 is true on match fixing and directly a result of not clamping down hard on match fixing against 90s superstars. That toxic culture followed by Inzy groupism and fanaticism sowed seeds for the worst betrayal by Butt, Amir and Asif. Since then in Misbah-Sarf eras the prima donna and groupism culture has been almost eliminated

2. Pakistan are in a fallow era for batting, but selectors have propagated this by continually picking TTFs like Hafeez/Malik. Fitness wise frankly team is not so bad but guys like Sarf/Haris/Sharjeel/Umar give team a bad rap with unprofessional fitness standards

3. PCB has been unprofessional, politicky and shameless for long so poor image is well deserved. But hopefully new efforts (PSL execution in Pakistan, success of new FC structure) will revamp image

But why do Indians casually neglect that they have had a legendary Test captain banned for life due to match fixing. They are no saints and plenty of things have been unearthed in the IPL. They have also been reprimanded for Ball tampering and before the Dhoni era, the fitness standards set by quite a few are there for everyone to see.
 
If people make claims one way or the other and your claims should be backed by some technical analysis. This blanket proclamation of "X is miles ahead of Y" "Z is not in the league X" leads to arguments. When you a player won't survive explain the reason why he won't survive. Even if your theory is absurd have a theory behind your claim.
 
Thats a tricky question, keyboard warriors are unsupportive whereas i know personally many indians who like the Pakistani brand of Cricket, specially fast bowling :virat
 
Used to like Pakistani brand of cricket in the past, but gradually lost interest after players like Inzi, Razzaq and Akhtar retired. Now don't watch even when they are playing India.
 
Used to like Pakistani brand of cricket in the past, but gradually lost interest after players like Inzi, Razzaq and Akhtar retired. Now don't watch even when they are playing India.

Fair point.

Even many Pakistani fans aren't inspired by too many of the current players with the likes of Babar Azam being an exception.

But then that doesn't mean that abuse should be thrown at them.
 
I have felt that indian fans were more hurt by this draw than the australians were. Many were unhappy with rizwan performing aswell
 
Yes even on twitter Indians are jealous comparing it to Gabba and blah blah but the real praise for Pakistan is every Aussie player applauding Babar when his innings finished
 
Only idiots and frustrated people look to lower others to make themselves feel better. Pakistan cricket, despite its difficulties, has significantly exceeded expectations.

Indian Cricket and its fans should think about what they have achieved with its wealth and population base.
 
Surprisingly [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] has not logged in today
 
I have felt that indian fans were more hurt by this draw than the australians were. Many were unhappy with rizwan performing aswell

A lot of Indian fans are happy because these two draws helped improve India's chances of making the WTC final. Another draw would be great too.
 
I have felt that indian fans were more hurt by this draw than the australians were. Many were unhappy with rizwan performing aswell

That makes it spicy too.. when India is about to lose a test the thread gets so many responses..
 
I have felt that indian fans were more hurt by this draw than the australians were. Many were unhappy with rizwan performing aswell

This is based on what? Imo Cummins should have batted longer in the 2nd innings considering that this pitch does not offer any help . But I'm not sure why you think most Indian fans are hurt by this.
 
I have felt that indian fans were more hurt by this draw than the australians were. Many were unhappy with rizwan performing aswell

I expected a win, Pakistan missed the golden opportunity.
Last 20 overs, required run rate was 6 and Two sellted batsmen were in crease.

Pant would have played for win.
 
This is based on what? Imo Cummins should have batted longer in the 2nd innings considering that this pitch does not offer any help . But I'm not sure why you think most Indian fans are hurt by this.

If it doesn't offer much then surely you would get your chance more time to get the wickets.
 
If you focus on the hate you will find it, if you focus on the love you will find that too. You look at comments sections on twitter and youtube and i see tons and tons of "with love from IND" "all the best to Pak team" etc.

Yes it is true that on here there are some ill wishers but it is what it is...that's more a psychological thing for someone to take time to come on a forum and troll..should be of no consequence to us as Pakistanis.

For the ones that are simply defending India when other fans make remarks, that to me is fair play and they belong on this forum to foster good debate
 
Pakistan team needs some characters like Akhtar Afridi Akram etc. Current team to be honest doesn't want me to turn on telly. But then again I haven't been following cricket for a long time as I used to age caught up :inzi

Only Shaheen Shah Afridi makes me want to watch Pakistan matches.

As a neutral I enjoy watching England's T20 matches.

Indian fans are occupied with their own team, they don't really care about other teams. But I have seen respect from Indian fans in their forum when Pakistan beat India in T20 WC. Don't go in twitter looking for love though :yk
 
Why should they support us at anything!?. 9/10 times I am against India at everything they do.
 
I don't support nor care about India. Not sure why an average Indian would feel anything else for Pakistan? We should move on from this childish rivalry.
 
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