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It’s becoming quite common now and equally stupid when it comes to T20 or 50 over cricket. There seems to be a great resentment to these terms and it’s used to hound/bring down players who are actually trying to match world standards

Is white ball cricket progression something that is culturally unacceptable in Pakistan or the majority cricket fans? A bit like women playing sport in Afghanistan is unacceptable?
 
What do you want to explain?

How will you define intent or lack of intent where does Salman Agha fit in terms of intent and modern cricket.

What about Sahibzada and Rizwan both loom different type of players what in theory are somewhat similar. How will you differentiate intent between them ?
 
Because we don't have the players who can play modern cricket with intent.

We either have tullaybaaz or selfish slow-pokes masquerading as 'world class' players.
 
Salman Ali Agha-type players are the epitome of Intent and modern-day cricket in T20s
 
Merely parroting the word intent means nothing if you do not have the planning, skill or execution to back it up.

Presently we do not have batsmen who can bat both aggressively and sensibly. There is a discrete lack of game awareness among the players.
 
When you have:

- Salman Ali Agha as the captain+batsman
- Sahibzada as batsman
- Usman as batsman
- Nawaz as late order “hitter”
- Naseem Shah as a bowler

Words like intent mean nothing and this in practice is the opposite of modern day cricket.

Extreme mediocrity and no place in white ball batting.
 
Hawkeye said:
When you have:

- Salman Ali Agha as the captain+batsman
- Sahibzada as batsman
- Usman as batsman
- Nawaz as late order “hitter”
- Naseem Shah as a bowler

Words like intent mean nothing and this in practice is the opposite of modern day cricket.

Extreme mediocrity and no place in white ball batting.
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We had this allergy to the words Intent and Modern day cricket even when you had Misbah, Babar and Rizwan as captains though?
 
Actions speak louder than words.

It is difficult to pretend you are playing a fearless brand of cricket when you are scoring no runs.

Performances of players like Haris and especially Agha let down the side and the vision of the coach. Of course people will mock if you pretend to be playing with intent but either get bowled out or limp to a low score.

That doesn't mean you go backwards though. Just need to keep going until we find the right players, but yes people will mock along the way. It's the nature of this game.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
It is difficult to pretend you are playing a fearless brand of cricket when you are scoring no runs.
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That makes no sense.

Shan Masood scored a 50 at the MCG in 2022 against India… guys like Surya, Samson, Tilak and Dube have looked clueless on the same deck.

So Shan is realistically a better white ball batsman than these guys because he scored runs?
 
Rana said:
It’s becoming quite common now and equally stupid when it comes to T20 or 50 over cricket. There seems to be a great resentment to these terms and it’s used to hound/bring down players who are actually trying to match world standards

Is white ball cricket progression something that is culturally unacceptable in Pakistan or the majority cricket fans? A bit like women playing sport in Afghanistan is unacceptable?
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1) They do not understand the meaning of those terms and believe that whoever is advocating for that is advocating for tullaybaaz or reckless cricket

2) Their personal favorites are the main culprits of playing outdated cricket and hence, they get defensive and criticize anything that makes their favorites look bad
 
Snowflake said:
1) They do not understand the meaning of those terms and believe that whoever is advocating for that is advocating for tullaybaaz or reckless cricket

2) Their personal favorites are the main culprits of playing outdated cricket and hence, they get defensive and criticize anything that makes their favorites look bad
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Finally a sensible post after 5-6 guys confirmed my suspicions about how clueless Pakistan fans are in general.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Actions speak louder than words.

It is difficult to pretend you are playing a fearless brand of cricket when you are scoring no runs.

Performances of players like Haris and especially Agha let down the side and the vision of the coach. Of course people will mock if you pretend to be playing with intent but either get bowled out or limp to a low score.

That doesn't mean you go backwards though. Just need to keep going until we find the right players, but yes people will mock along the way. It's the nature of this game.
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Well said and this is the main point, but PCB folded and ended bringing back the likes of Babar and Usman.

The clowns today will fail, but we need some time for this template to bring out new players who can score quickly without cross-bat shots.
 
Rana said:
That makes no sense.

Shan Masood scored a 50 at the MCG in 2022 against India… guys like Surya, Samson, Tilak and Dube have looked clueless on the same deck.

So Shan is realistically a better white ball batsman than these guys because he scored runs?
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Based on one match it is a big conclusion to take about Shan.

However, we have reasonable sample for players like Agha and Haris vs who they have replaced.

A captain who cannot bat is in charge of a team preaching intent is like putting a thief in charge of a security company. People will find it funny.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Well said and this is the main point, but PCB folded and ended bringing back the likes of Babar and Usman.

The clowns today will fail, but we need some time for this template to bring out new players who can score quickly without cross-bat shots.
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Yeah for sure. Stick to the plan, and move forward, but we cannot be upset if people mock it for now. The team is crap. People will point fingers and laugh. PCB and coaches need to have thick skin and understand this is a long process.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Yeah for sure. Stick to the plan, and move forward, but we cannot be upset if people mock it for now
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It’s not about being upset

It’s just a sense of realisation

How stupid is it to mock “intent” in T20? What are you supposed to do? Not play with intent in T20?
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Yeah for sure. Stick to the plan, and move forward, but we cannot be upset if people mock it for now. The team is crap. People will point fingers and laugh. PCB and coaches need to have thick skin and understand this is a long process.
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Going back to the NZ series, I think most of us knew this team won't be doing much besides establishing a mindset. The only ones getting riled up are the RizBar fanboys or neutral observers from a certain country who are understandably trolling us as we suck.

You can't just flip a switch and start dominating by dropping two or three players, it has to be systemic change and younger players coming in should know what's required of them to succeed at international level. The option of scoring your own 30-40 runs at a lower SR and keeping your place in the team based on average should be eradicated, and that's what we were trying to achieve.

Unfortunately all that has gone down the drain once again once PCB selected The Fraud once more.
 
“Innn-tennt” and “Modrun day Kirkut”

That’s how the freshies say these terms and mock it.
 
Rana said:
It’s not about being upset

It’s just a sense of realisation

How stupid is it to mock “intent” in T20? What are you supposed to do? Not play with intent in T20?
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Bro they are mocking the outcome not the word.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Based on one match it is a big conclusion to take about Shan.

However, we have reasonable sample for players like Agha and Haris vs who they have replaced.

A captain who cannot bat is in charge of a team preaching intent is like putting a thief in charge of a security company. People will find it funny.
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Salman Agha won't be captain for the World Cup, it will be either Shadab or Shaheen.
 
Pakistan should hire an Indian as their coach, someone like Zaheer Khan or Robin Uthappa will probably do better than a SENA coach with zero cultural familiarity..
 
Rana said:
That makes no sense.

Shan Masood scored a 50 at the MCG in 2022 against India… guys like Surya, Samson, Tilak and Dube have looked clueless on the same deck.

So Shan is realistically a better white ball batsman than these guys because he scored runs?
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Harshit Rana score 30+ at MCG but your tullebaaz failed to score even at home.

So by your logic Harshit is better batsman the your tullebaaz.

Your analysis getting exposed day by day. 🤡🤡

:klopp :kp
 
Same reason why people mock Rizwan's " either we win or we learn " statement. Nothing wrong per se but when u lose so frequently it leads to mockery

Pakistan is stuck in no man's land. The intent folks ( Haris / Hassan Nawaz ) struggle to last 10 balls , the proper batters can only bat at max 2nd gear
 
I don’t believe Pakistan’s progression in white-ball cricket is entirely unacceptable. In fact, Pakistan was among the early adopters of T20 cricket, playing the format long before many other nations embraced it seriously. The real issue lies not in the format itself, but in the lack of a well-rounded talent pool.


To succeed in modern white-ball cricket, especially T20s, a team needs a combination of power, technique, temperament, stamina, and intelligence. Countries like those in the SENA group and India have consistently produced players who embody these traits. Even the West Indies, known for their explosive power-hitters, struggle with consistency due to shortcomings in other critical areas like temperament and tactical awareness.


Pakistan’s challenge is not just about intent or aggression—it’s about building a complete player profile. While the domestic circuit probably have some promising hitters, they often lack the other essential attributes needed to compete at the highest level. That said, introducing genuine power-hitters from domestic cricket could be a good starting point. These players might not be the finished product, but they can at least bring a sense of intent and urgency to the batting lineup, which has often looked timid or outdated.


However, this approach must be part of a broader strategy. Pakistan needs to invest in developing players who are not only aggressive but also technically sound, mentally resilient, and tactically aware. Without this holistic development, even the most promising hitters will struggle to perform consistently against top-tier opposition.


In summary, while Pakistan’s white-ball cricket isn’t beyond repair, it requires a clear vision and a commitment to nurturing complete cricketers. Starting with intent is fine—but intent alone won’t win matches. It must be backed by skill, fitness, and cricketing intelligence.
 
This is all a fallacy only thing in sport is winning ,how you win does not really matter as long as you don’t cheat
 
Rana said:
It’s becoming quite common now and equally stupid when it comes to T20 or 50 over cricket. There seems to be a great resentment to these terms and it’s used to hound/bring down players who are actually trying to match world standards

Is white ball cricket progression something that is culturally unacceptable in Pakistan or the majority cricket fans? A bit like women playing sport in Afghanistan is unacceptable?
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Because those of us with a brain understand that hitting a 6 and then doing nothing I'm the next 5 days is pretty useless. Pseudo intent 🤡
 
Hawkeye said:
When you have:

- Salman Ali Agha as the captain+batsman
- Sahibzada as batsman
- Usman as batsman
- Nawaz as late order “hitter”
- Naseem Shah as a bowler

Words like intent mean nothing and this in practice is the opposite of modern day cricket.

Extreme mediocrity and no place in white ball batting.
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M. Nawaz in his career has won more big matches than Baber
 
zaidihusain said:
M. Nawaz in his career has won more big matches than Baber
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Some random performances against minnows and C sides don’t matter.

His spin is easily bashed by all the major teams and his batting is an absolute joke.

He plays as a hitter and allrounder lol.
 
Rana said:
We had this allergy to the words Intent and Modern day cricket even when you had Misbah, Babar and Rizwan as captains though?
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Right, and it has to do with not producing someone who plays such cricket. When only empty words are used people make fun of them.

We simply don’t have modern day batting talent.

People are getting on the Sahibzada hype train but his planted feet with eyes closed leg side hoicks are not going to work.
 
Hahaha the biggest parrot of the word 'intent' is now complaining. This is what you get when you prefer cricketers that stat pad intent. No results to back the talk hence the criticism
 
Devadwal said:
Offcourse it's your as you said Agha is modern day T20 player with attacking intent . Now why are you crying? :kp
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I definitely said Babar and Rizwan are not modern T20 players. Was I wrong? You are the one crying afterwards when Pakistan fans make fun of your garbage Indian T20 players like Gill.

Boothi banni hui thy teri Aaj subah!
 
Rana said:
I definitely said Babar and Rizwan are not modern T20 players. Was I wrong? You are the one crying afterwards when Pakistan fans make fun of your garbage Indian T20 players like Gill.

Boothi banni hui thy teri Aaj subah!
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Did u said Rizbar are modern day T20 player? Never

But you said samna is modern day T20 player, and I never rate gill in T20 even I'm huge of of gill.

I never compromised when comes to Indian Team chahe wo mera favourite player hi kyh na hi.

But i never seen any Pakistani talking about dropping of his favourite player ever.

And you and @Ahmed216 Both were exposed by me as soon as match finished and both of you runaway from thread.

:kp
 
Devadwal said:
Did I said Rizbar are modern day T20 player? Never

But you said samna is modern day T20 player, and I never rate gill in T20 even I'm huge of of gill.

I never compromised when comes to Indian Team chahe wo mera favourite player hi kyh na hi.

But i never seen any Pakistani talking about dropping of his favourite player ever.

And you and @Ahmed216 Both were exposed by me as soon as match finished and both of you runaway from thread.

:kp
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:kp
 
Devadwal said:
But you said samna is modern day T20 player, and I never rate gill in T20 even I'm huge of of gill.
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Abhey yeh Samna kaun hai???

This is another Samosa comment!

Pehle yeh bata Samna kaun hai??? When did I say Samna is a modern T20 player?!
 
Rana said:
Abhey yeh Samna kaun hai???

This is another Samosa comment!

Pehle yeh bata Samna kaun hai??? When did I say Samna is a modern T20 player?!
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Samna - Salman 🤣🤣🤣 your favourite T20 Kaptan.
Now remember this word for future reference.

Btw I know you don't have answer of my question which I asked so always find something to hide from reality .

:kp
 
gazza619 said:
Bad day for RizBar. But even our so called aggressive openers failed, your favourite Rana Faheem failed, the ordinary Hussain Talat failed.

RizBar ne theka nahin liya huwa hamesha match jitanay ka.
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They have taken Thekka of playing outdated cricket.
 
You can't have a V12 engine fit into a toyota corolla or honda civic and expect it to go toe to toe with likes of ferrari / lamborghinis.

The explanation is simple "V12 engine" is the intent / modern day cricket OP is talking about. Toyota corolla represents our batsmen calibre and ferraris are Sharma / Butler / Head of the world. Once we have cricketers who can evolve themselves and go extra gear like then that day this V12 engine would fit and they would be competitive in the world.

The main issue faced by Pakistan cricket is this out of age factory called PCB that still believes that without blueprints, technology, scientific research, etc they would continue to run the factory and automatically one day we will get a ferrari instead of usual corolla. To get the ferrari get rid of this old factory and get new state of art factory setup which ain't going to happen overnight but will never happen when nepotistic Naqvis are running the show.
 
salman24 said:
Yeah you're right Nawaz was the one that chased down 152 without losing a wicket against India in a World Cup
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You realize that 152 is a very poor score in t20 and batsmen chasing it is not big deal right? Even minnows have chased 150 against big teams. Also that was 4 years ago. How long are you going to milk that?
 
Sachin fan said:
You realize that 152 is a very poor score in t20 and batsmen chasing it is not big deal right? Even minnows have chased 150 against big teams. Also that was 4 years ago. How long are you going to milk that?
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152 is certainly not a good score on most grounds and in most conditions in a T20 game. We have seen teams scored 200 in the first innings and still end up on the losing side a number of times in recent years so that 152 was a below-par total. It didn't require the chasing team to get boundaries in every over or hit a lot of sixes which is why players like Babar and Rizwan could do it without much difficulty. They are good enough players to chase this kind of total but if they are required to chase 10+ in an over, they are not the ideal pair.
 
Modern day cricket means jack when talent is below par.

These are just Buzz words that haven’t helped Pakistan.

SahibZada striked at 120 in Asia cup, Agha below 100. Someone like Saud (who isn’t a t20 batsman) would have produced better performances than Agha.
 
First of all, a lot of cricket fans, regardless of which country they're from, especially the older ones, have a love for classical cricket. They grew up in an era where a strike rate of 80 was called attacking, and now even 90 looks slow. The game has changed a lot, and many just don’t like this new attacking style.

The main reasons though is that many fans today are just too young and others are intellectually dishonest. The younger ones haven’t really seen many top quality batters playing for Pakistan, so their sense of what a genuinely high standard is remains very limited. Most of them started following cricket recently or in the period when Misbah was Pakistan’s best batsman in ODIs, so naturally someone like Babar looks extraordinary to them. And almost all of the Misbah fans themselves support the brand of cricket Babar and Rizwan play, because it perfectly matches Misbah’s own conservative style. Misbah himself was the one who promoted Rizwan as an opener in T20Is.

Another thing is Pakistan fans are very easily pleased. Even when Pakistan got lucky with results like in 2022 & they failed to make anything out of it, the campaign that should have been a wake up call was instead treated like a major success. A few decent performances in 2021-22, and suddenly everyone was calling it a golden era. They won nothing substantial but fans acted like world beaters.

And then there’s politics. Many fans mix their political opinions with cricket. Some want the team to lose so they can target the current setup, while others blindly back certain players because certain person had appointed Babar as a captain.
 
I think the conversation should be restricted to T20 cricket.

What we have seen is that a lot of the players who play with intent are not particularly skilled and that the ones with decent batting ability don't have the ability to change gears at will.

At this point, Babar cannot be left out of the T20 side because the alternatives are somehow not even doing as well as he does.


I'd say your starting XI for the World T20 should be

Saim

Bobs
Fakhar


Nawaz
Faheem
Shaheen
Abrar

The T20 side looks to be in a better place since Hesson came in.

Winning against the Big 3 may not be possible because they have much more depth but you have beaten WI/BD/SL/SA and that's definitely an improvement.

And NZ have been struggling off late as well.
 
Pakistan fans does like intent and modern cricket, if the players play it the right way , calling ugly hoicks and mistimed hits as intent is a wish and not genuine stuff. Also teams have their ideology like some play with attacking batters chasing big runs like that, Pakistan on the other hand more ofte relied on bowlers to defend fighting totals, which is definitely not a crime.

It's just like football some teams play 4/3/3 , some 3/5/2
 
Because these things mean nothing. Just buzz words. No point praising a guy for intent if he scoring slowly. Intent as often in our case are slogging, missing, not rotating strike. Which results in even lower SR than normal.

What matters is a combination of SR and average. I don’t care how they get those two things high.

The real modern day cricket focuses on good fitness and strength training and good fielding. Being a proper athlete. A lot of these intent guys don’t do that stuff yet somehow fans claim they are playing modern day cricket. Azam and Sharjeel are examples of this, they can never play modern day cricket in internationals despite intent as a result of this.
 
Kianig89 said:
Pakistan fans does like intent and modern cricket, if the players play it the right way , calling ugly hoicks and mistimed hits as intent is a wish and not genuine stuff. Also teams have their ideology like some play with attacking batters chasing big runs like that, Pakistan on the other hand more ofte relied on bowlers to defend fighting totals, which is definitely not a crime.

It's just like football some teams play 4/3/3 , some 3/5/2
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I think that’s a really stupid analogy. Football and cricket are completely different sports. In football, you can park the bus, score one counter goal, and then defend for the rest of the game. One goal can win you a match. But in cricket, especially in T20s, you have to get the runs. It’s a high-scoring sport, and there’s no way around that.

In Test cricket, you can afford to be defensive as a batter, but in T20s, you have to be attacking. You can’t just survive, you need to score. Bowling can be defensive or attacking depending on the situation, and yes, sometimes being economical is more valuable than taking wickets and leaking runs. But with batting, you simply have to get those runs.

Someone can be slightly less attacking compared to others but you can’t win games when your scoring rate is way below what the team needs or what the opposition is operating at. That’s just poor batting.
 
ads101 said:
Because these things mean nothing. Just buzz words. No point praising a guy for intent if he scoring slowly. Intent as often in our case are slogging, missing, not rotating strike. Which results in even lower SR than normal.

What matters is a combination of SR and average. I don’t care how they get those two things high.

The real modern day cricket focuses on good fitness and strength training and good fielding. Being a proper athlete. A lot of these intent guys don’t do that stuff yet somehow fans claim they are playing modern day cricket. Azam and Sharjeel are examples of this, they can never play modern day cricket in internationals despite intent as a result of this.
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So let’s adopt the Rizwan method and just play selfishly because we can’t do it?
 
Babar: 45 runs from 3 games at a strike rate of 79
Rizwan: 91 runs from 3 games at a strike rate of 74

The frauds have been exposed yet again, that too against a depleted SA bowling attack
 
topspin said:
Babar: 45 runs from 3 games at a strike rate of 79
Rizwan: 91 runs from 3 games at a strike rate of 74

The frauds have been exposed yet again, that too against a depleted SA bowling attack
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There is no surprise that the guys who mock “intent” and “modern day cricket” would offer themselves to a lifetime service of these two fraud players.
 
Rana said:
There is no surprise that the guys who mock “intent” and “modern day cricket” would offer themselves to a lifetime service of these two fraud players.
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Yes a lifetime of twerking for Babar and Rizwan. This is what their fans do behind the screens on tik tok.
 
Because you start using these words for players that are limited and there go to release shot is striking the ball anywhere for a boundary.

The term back in the day was being aggressive, now its intent or modern day.

Such words are never used for players that are proper batters, like for example fakhar zaman.

But the moment some garbage like m. Harris comes and he cant bat, so these fancy words are used for guysblike him.

Basically it means, rubbish player that can give a cameo once in 10 games, so plz keep him in the team
 
Major said:
Because you start using these words for players that are limited and there go to release shot is striking the ball anywhere for a boundary.

The term back in the day was being aggressive, now its intent or modern day.

Such words are never used for players that are proper batters, like for example fakhar zaman.

But the moment some garbage like m. Harris comes and he cant bat, so these fancy words are used for guysblike him.

Basically it means, rubbish player that can give a cameo once in 10 games, so plz keep him in the team
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What are they supposed to do? Play a release shot by running the ball down to 3rd man 🤡
 
gazza619 said:
Ghabrana, have you heard about the terminology, “playing as per situation”?

Perhaps not.
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Yes, 33 off 47 was playing according to situation 🤡

Required run rate at start of innings being 7.5 rescuing to 16 by 15th over is playing according to situation on AC final 2022 🤡🤡🤡
 
Where is Devdas? Sab se Zyada Chawwaliya maar raha tha!

136 of IPL superstars chased in 13.1 overs by PSL benchwarmers :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Aisi waisi chitrol?
 
Rana said:
Where is Devdas? Sab se Zyada Chawwaliya maar raha tha!

136 of IPL superstars chased in 13.1 overs by PSL benchwarmers :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Aisi waisi chitrol?
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Stop embarrassing us. This was a nothing game in the grand scheme of things. No one cares lol
 
Why are some of our fans acting like we have got some kind of payback against India? Itni choti soch? Laanat hai yaar.

I'm not with them kind of fans guys. Just putting it out there. I'm a fan with a elite mentality.
 
Pakistan fans mock this intent because it is shallow, evident that Farhan one of the so called intent merchant has SR 126 with dot ball ratio of 46% . So stop selling this chooran
 
Kianig89 said:
Pakistan fans mock this intent because it is shallow, evident that Farhan one of the so called intent merchant has SR 126 with dot ball ratio of 46% . So stop selling this chooran
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Yeh lets sell the chooran of taking singles and doubles in the powerplay of T20 and tell everyone this is a better approach to the game than the way Abhishek and Travis head appraoch it 🤡
 
Rana said:
It’s becoming quite common now and equally stupid when it comes to T20 or 50 over cricket. There seems to be a great resentment to these terms and it’s used to hound/bring down players who are actually trying to match world standards

Is white ball cricket progression something that is culturally unacceptable in Pakistan or the majority cricket fans? A bit like women playing sport in Afghanistan is unacceptable?
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Because they have no intent besides the one which resolves around lying down on the cot all day with a cup of desi tea, in white salwar kameez I may add (which they will complain about getting dirty after a hike through the local jungle).
 
No sane person would mock these terms

However, the players that were supposed to implement this style of play turned out to be either brainless hacks (Haris, Irfan Niazi) or poor strike rotators with a very high percentage of dot balls (Sahibzada Farhan)
 
Kianig89 said:
Pakistan fans mock this intent because it is shallow, evident that Farhan one of the so called intent merchant has SR 126 with dot ball ratio of 46% . So stop selling this chooran
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Look at what the PP batting has been since Farhan became a top order player & compare it with RizBabar’s showings in the PP then we can discuss.
 
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