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Are Jews to blame for the rise in anti-semitism?

I don't need to even say so myself, most fair minded neutrals who visit these boards would confirm it.

Neutral = making unrelated references to "Dharmic" religions for a terrorist shoot out without realizing the actual victim is a Christian? Or neutral = making jibes against Indians/Hindus/Americans/Indian-Americans?

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His post seems to be straight out of a 10 page Islamic booklet written by a self proclaimed scholar/researcher. The guy literally claimed that Mel Gibson's career ended after Passion of the Christ when I, myself have watched Daddy's Home 2 featuring Gibson last Christmas. The entire post screams just one thing that we must hate Jews because they have been successful and able to control the world.

And The Beaver, Expendables 3 and Machete Kills !!

:facepalm: a few hours of my life I will never get back.

And plus he will be starring in another Christian movie called "The Resurrection of the Christ". How is his movie career over if he is starring in a movie about Christ again?
 
Could not have said it better myself. Jews do not go into Sri Lanka and kill 200+ people. Jews do not want to kill anyone just because they insulted Moses. Anti-semitism is completely based on inferiority complex.

I generally agree with you here, except one point.

There is NOTHING wrong in condemning the human rights violations that Israel is conducting. Unfortunately, sometimes people go too far and become anti-semitic. There is nothing in criticising the concept that is leading to these human rights violations.

Similarly, there is nothing wrong in condemning extremist islamist activities and questioning the source of their inspirations. But that doesn't mean one starts targeting all muslims. There is nothing wrong in criticising the religion which is proving the inspiration for these terrorists.
 
When a small group of extremist Muslims do something, don't call all Muslims extremists.

When a small group of extremist Jews do something, reflect it on all Jews.

I get it.

If terrorist leaders are chosen by the Jewish people to lead their 'Promised Land' via Democratic means (hence most people support them), the whole country will obviously be blamed
 
And The Beaver, Expendables 3 and Machete Kills !!

:facepalm: a few hours of my life I will never get back.

And plus he will be starring in another Christian movie called "The Resurrection of the Christ". How is his movie career over if he is starring in a movie about Christ again?

Few hours? Wow. I agree though, time lost considering you did not read properly.

Check the facts yourself, after the Passion of The Christ, Gibson did not star in a single movie for 6 years! (2004- 2010), and as I pointed out, Christians funded his later movies, including his latest movie, hence his resurrection, but Jewish producers/directors refused to work with him, that was until Hollywood forgave him! All links cited in previous posts, but hey, even after spending hours, you seemed to have missed the facts! Oh well!
 
Neutral = making unrelated references to "Dharmic" religions for a terrorist shoot out without realizing the actual victim is a Christian? Or neutral = making jibes against Indians/Hindus/Americans/Indian-Americans?

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I don't know if you have comprehension skills, what I pointed out was a fact, the victims of both attacks were Abrahamic not Dharmic. The distinction between Abrahamic and Dharmic is usually made by Indian posters, I had never even heard the terms before their input. Although what that's got to do with my neutrality I don't know.
 
I don't know if you have comprehension skills, what I pointed out was a fact, the victims of both attacks were Abrahamic not Dharmic. The distinction between Abrahamic and Dharmic is usually made by Indian posters, I had never even heard the terms before their input. Although what that's got to do with my neutrality I don't know.

NVM, I'm well aware what you were attempting to insinuate. Do not want to digress this thread with a pointless debate.
 
Few hours? Wow. I agree though, time lost considering you did not read properly.

Check the facts yourself, after the Passion of The Christ, Gibson did not star in a single movie for 6 years! (2004- 2010), and as I pointed out, Christians funded his later movies, including his latest movie, hence his resurrection, but Jewish producers/directors refused to work with him, that was until Hollywood forgave him! All links cited in previous posts, but hey, even after spending hours, you seemed to have missed the facts! Oh well!

You said his career ended after Passion of the Christ. Several posters caught your lie. Stop embarrassing yourself any further.
 
New York Times cuts political cartoons amid anti-Semitism backlash

The New York Times is yanking daily political cartoons from its international edition after it stirred controversy by publishing a drawing deemed anti-Semitic.

The Gray Lady made the decision after suffering a black eye for publishing an April cartoon depicting Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as a Star of David-wearing guide dog leading a blind President Trump, who was wearing a kippah.

The image was especially egregious as it came during Passover, critics said.

“It runs a cartoon on #Passover deploying animalization of world leader, @netanyahu as a dog, replete with #StarofDavid leading @POTUS. Will @nytimes fire anyone or pat itself on the back for freedom of expression to denigrate Jews again,” the Simon Wiesenthal Center tweeted at the time.

The image was obtained from a syndication service, which the Times ceased using after issuing an apology for the distasteful drawing.

But beginning July 1, international editions will halt in-house cartoons as well, bringing those papers in line with the US edition, which does not print daily political funnies.

https://nypost.com/2019/06/11/new-york-times-cuts-political-cartoons-amid-anti-semitism-backlash/

French, Danish and other cartoons mocking Islam were defended as freedom of speech but any cartoons against Israel are racist so must be stopped. The wonderful consistant world of western freedom of speech continues to surprise.
 
https://nypost.com/2019/06/11/new-york-times-cuts-political-cartoons-amid-anti-semitism-backlash/

French, Danish and other cartoons mocking Islam were defended as freedom of speech but any cartoons against Israel are racist so must be stopped. The wonderful consistant world of western freedom of speech continues to surprise.

Laws favouring Jews, media censoring news in favour of Israel, politicians supporting Zionisim - and then they wonder why Anti-semitisim is on the rise! Such favouritism will only serve to fan the flames!
 
It goes without saying that Muslims and Jews are viewed differently by the Western world, and a lot of it has to do with perception.

In terms of worldly contributions, Muslims and Jews have been polar opposites. Since our Golden Age ended in the 14th century, we have contributed very little to science, medicine and technology. On the contrary, no one has contributed more than the Jews.

In spite of a collective population of almost 2 billion, Muslims have failed to make a positive impact on the world. They are lagging behind and struggling in almost every worldly metric. Apart from our faith, what do we have or what have we achieved that will have a positive influence on others?

On the other hand, the Jews with a population of around 20 million only, have managed to cast a very large shadow. For reference, there are less Jews in the world than the population of Karachi and Lahore combined. A staggering statistic when you consider their achievements.

Yes it is true that Israel benefits from USA's R&D, but the Jews have been making breakthroughs in science at a time when they were the most oppressed group in the world, and that too without a homeland.

The major reason why Muslims are struggling at everything is because of the overemphasis on life hereafter. When you channel all your energies on what will happen after you die, you forget to live. The diminishing influence of Muslims can be attributed to the triumph of the Ashari school of thought over the Mutazila. The latter emphasised on the power of human reason and research and were greatly influenced by Greek philosophy. As they started to phase out, Muslim societies forgot how to think.

This is where Muslims have made significant contributions to the rise of Islamophobia. People conveniently forget that Islamophobia is not just a function of white supremacy, but also a result of the collective failure of the Muslim world. Our mediocrity has slowly evolved into prejudice. When you are not making any positive contributions and terrorist groups are using your religion to defend and justify their actions, it is inevitable that people will grow vary of your faith.

The only solution for Islamophobia to end, for innocent Muslims to not die at the hands of white terrorists and for Islam and Muslims to have a positive global image is for Muslims to change their ways and alter the perception of Islam. Pointing out the hypocrisy of the West for viewing Islamophobia and anti-Semitism differently will not change anything. We need to address the root cause, and the root cause lies in our collective failure.
 
Laws favouring Jews, media censoring news in favour of Israel, politicians supporting Zionisim - and then they wonder why Anti-semitisim is on the rise! Such favouritism will only serve to fan the flames!

Spot on. We also have to keep in mind the MAJORITY of the worlds Jews support occuption and state terrorism. Imagine if 51% of the Worlds Muslims supported such henious crimes? Muslims would deserve Islamaphobia then.
 
It goes without saying that Muslims and Jews are viewed differently by the Western world, and a lot of it has to do with perception.

In terms of worldly contributions, Muslims and Jews have been polar opposites. Since our Golden Age ended in the 14th century, we have contributed very little to science, medicine and technology. On the contrary, no one has contributed more than the Jews.

In spite of a collective population of almost 2 billion, Muslims have failed to make a positive impact on the world. They are lagging behind and struggling in almost every worldly metric. Apart from our faith, what do we have or what have we achieved that will have a positive influence on others?

On the other hand, the Jews with a population of around 20 million only, have managed to cast a very large shadow. For reference, there are less Jews in the world than the population of Karachi and Lahore combined. A staggering statistic when you consider their achievements.

Yes it is true that Israel benefits from USA's R&D, but the Jews have been making breakthroughs in science at a time when they were the most oppressed group in the world, and that too without a homeland.

The major reason why Muslims are struggling at everything is because of the overemphasis on life hereafter. When you channel all your energies on what will happen after you die, you forget to live. The diminishing influence of Muslims can be attributed to the triumph of the Ashari school of thought over the Mutazila. The latter emphasised on the power of human reason and research and were greatly influenced by Greek philosophy. As they started to phase out, Muslim societies forgot how to think.

This is where Muslims have made significant contributions to the rise of Islamophobia. People conveniently forget that Islamophobia is not just a function of white supremacy, but also a result of the collective failure of the Muslim world. Our mediocrity has slowly evolved into prejudice. When you are not making any positive contributions and terrorist groups are using your religion to defend and justify their actions, it is inevitable that people will grow vary of your faith.

The only solution for Islamophobia to end, for innocent Muslims to not die at the hands of white terrorists and for Islam and Muslims to have a positive global image is for Muslims to change their ways and alter the perception of Islam. Pointing out the hypocrisy of the West for viewing Islamophobia and anti-Semitism differently will not change anything. We need to address the root cause, and the root cause lies in our collective failure.

Do you know why The asharis and maturidis triumphed over mutazaliya and other groups such as the Qadariyah because they are the sound Aqeedah of muslim orthodoxy. If Mutazali aqeedah was true than where is it today? , the truth can not be brandished into the trash can of history, it always rises above.
 
Do you know why The asharis and maturidis triumphed over mutazaliya and other groups such as the Qadariyah because they are the sound Aqeedah of muslim orthodoxy. If Mutazali aqeedah was true than where is it today? , the truth can not be brandished into the trash can of history, it always rises above.

The reason why they perished was because they used their intelligence and asked questions. Profound thinking has always been the biggest threat to the supremacy of Muslim orthodoxy.

As far as the notion that truth cannot be brandished into the trash can or to be more polite, truth can never be defeated, I do have an objection on that front.

I would rephrase it and state that the truth can be defeated if that is what Allah SWT wills. 123,999 prophets came before Muhammad SAW with the truth, but Allah SWT allowed their truth to perish in order to allow Muhammad SAW to be the final messenger, the final truth bearer of Adam’s religion.

While the total number of prophets and messengers are often disputed, it is beyond any doubt that there were several prophets and messengers. Hence, Allah SWT allowed the truth to be defeated and perished several times for His greater design, i.e. to conclude the religion with Muhammad SAW.

Hence, I won’t take the defeat of the Mutazila as definite proof that they were misguided. Perhaps Allah SWT allowed them to be defeated so that they could triumph later.
 
Pro Palestinian groups can be very antisemitic. If Jews want to be treated equally then they must do justice to the Palestinian people. There are many non Zionist Jews as well that most people are unaware off.
 
It goes without saying that Muslims and Jews are viewed differently by the Western world, and a lot of it has to do with perception.

In terms of worldly contributions, Muslims and Jews have been polar opposites. Since our Golden Age ended in the 14th century, we have contributed very little to science, medicine and technology. On the contrary, no one has contributed more than the Jews.

In spite of a collective population of almost 2 billion, Muslims have failed to make a positive impact on the world. They are lagging behind and struggling in almost every worldly metric. Apart from our faith, what do we have or what have we achieved that will have a positive influence on others?

On the other hand, the Jews with a population of around 20 million only, have managed to cast a very large shadow. For reference, there are less Jews in the world than the population of Karachi and Lahore combined. A staggering statistic when you consider their achievements.

Yes it is true that Israel benefits from USA's R&D, but the Jews have been making breakthroughs in science at a time when they were the most oppressed group in the world, and that too without a homeland.

The major reason why Muslims are struggling at everything is because of the overemphasis on life hereafter. When you channel all your energies on what will happen after you die, you forget to live. The diminishing influence of Muslims can be attributed to the triumph of the Ashari school of thought over the Mutazila. The latter emphasised on the power of human reason and research and were greatly influenced by Greek philosophy. As they started to phase out, Muslim societies forgot how to think.

This is where Muslims have made significant contributions to the rise of Islamophobia. People conveniently forget that Islamophobia is not just a function of white supremacy, but also a result of the collective failure of the Muslim world. Our mediocrity has slowly evolved into prejudice. When you are not making any positive contributions and terrorist groups are using your religion to defend and justify their actions, it is inevitable that people will grow vary of your faith.

The only solution for Islamophobia to end, for innocent Muslims to not die at the hands of white terrorists and for Islam and Muslims to have a positive global image is for Muslims to change their ways and alter the perception of Islam. Pointing out the hypocrisy of the West for viewing Islamophobia and anti-Semitism differently will not change anything. We need to address the root cause, and the root cause lies in our collective failure.

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Spot on. We also have to keep in mind the MAJORITY of the worlds Jews support occuption and state terrorism. Imagine if 51% of the Worlds Muslims supported such henious crimes? Muslims would deserve Islamaphobia then.


where did you get that 51 percent jews of the world support occupation
 
antizionism is not antisemitism
there are plenty of anti zionist jews including True Torah Jews, Neturei Karta, Jewish Voice for Peace, Jewish Voice for Labour etc etc
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Laws favouring Jews, media censoring news in favour of Israel, politicians supporting Zionisim - and then they wonder why Anti-semitisim is on the rise! Such favouritism will only serve to fan the flames!

There are no UK “laws favouring Jews”. The law protects all minorities equally.
 
The reason why they perished was because they used their intelligence and asked questions. Profound thinking has always been the biggest threat to the supremacy of Muslim orthodoxy.

As far as the notion that truth cannot be brandished into the trash can or to be more polite, truth can never be defeated, I do have an objection on that front.

I would rephrase it and state that the truth can be defeated if that is what Allah SWT wills. 123,999 prophets came before Muhammad SAW with the truth, but Allah SWT allowed their truth to perish in order to allow Muhammad SAW to be the final messenger, the final truth bearer of Adam’s religion.

While the total number of prophets and messengers are often disputed, it is beyond any doubt that there were several prophets and messengers. Hence, Allah SWT allowed the truth to be defeated and perished several times for His greater design, i.e. to conclude the religion with Muhammad SAW.

Hence, I won’t take the defeat of the Mutazila as definite proof that they were misguided. Perhaps Allah SWT allowed them to be defeated so that they could triumph later.

How about you start with Some of the main beliefs of the Mutazaliya such as The Quran being created And putting Obligations on God?.

The truth Has always been to Follow One God and his messenger, Since Nabi Muhammad (SAW) is the Final messenger we follow Him, if you were born in the time of Jesus you would Follow him and so on.
 
I did not see anything wrong with the Danish Cartoons, and nor do I see anything wrong with the Cartoons depicting Nethanyahu.
 
https://nypost.com/2019/06/11/new-york-times-cuts-political-cartoons-amid-anti-semitism-backlash/

French, Danish and other cartoons mocking Islam were defended as freedom of speech but any cartoons against Israel are racist so must be stopped. The wonderful consistant world of western freedom of speech continues to surprise.

Well, you are talking about suppression of freedom of expression by force - legal force in the case of NYT, terrorist machine guns in the case of Charlie Hebdo.

If you support the NYT cartoons you must also support Charlie Hebdo.
 
There are no UK “laws favouring Jews”. The law protects all minorities equally.

Though I didn't mention UK specifically, Jews are considered a race and enjoy additional protection by law, unlike other religions which are not considered a race. There are also 14 countries in the West, where denying history vis-a-vis Jews, is illegal. No other religion has such protection.
 
How about you start with Some of the main beliefs of the Mutazaliya such as The Quran being created And putting Obligations on God?.

The truth Has always been to Follow One God and his messenger, Since Nabi Muhammad (SAW) is the Final messenger we follow Him, if you were born in the time of Jesus you would Follow him and so on.

Their beliefs were a result of the fact that they thought too much. That is why profound thinking is the biggest threat to orthodoxy. When you think too much and encourage logic, you will inevitably reach conclusions that will clash with orthodox beliefs.

Suppressing their school of thought has also resulting in the decline of the Muslim society and hampered their contribution to science.
 
Though I didn't mention UK specifically, Jews are considered a race and enjoy additional protection by law, unlike other religions which are not considered a race. There are also 14 countries in the West, where denying history vis-a-vis Jews, is illegal. No other religion has such protection.

You are creating a non-existent inequality to get upset about for no reason. You are protected under UK law both as a Muslim and a man of colour, to no more and no less extent than a Jewish person.

There is no law against “denying history viz-a-viz Jews”. There are laws forbidding Holocaust Denial in some countries. The Holocaust murdered 13,000,000 European and Slavic people, including Jews.
 
You are creating a non-existent inequality to get upset about for no reason. You are protected under UK law both as a Muslim and a man of colour, to no more and no less extent than a Jewish person.

There is no law against “denying history viz-a-viz Jews”. There are laws forbidding Holocaust Denial in some countries. The Holocaust murdered 13,000,000 European and Slavic people, including Jews.

I can prove it is an existent inequality. Jews are considered a race. Is Islam, Christianity, Hinduism considered as races? Yes or no?

I cited the Equalities act in an other thread which clearly states that religious discrimination is not permitted within the workplace, not not outside the workplace, but since Jews are considered a race, they have extra protection by the law. You rejected this as it was from Wiki, and I asked you to cite the precise text that states that religious discrimination is illegal across the board. Can you please cite the text?

There is a law against “denying history viz-a-viz Jews”, you mentioned it yourself Holocaust denial is a crime in 14 Western countries. I can deny/question any other historical event and it is not a crime in these 14 countries. The Holocaust refers to the genocide of 6 million European Jews. You can include other people if it helps your argument, but pick up any history books, websites, and the Nuremberg trials, all refer to European Jews. In fact, when it was pointed out that other people were murdered, Zionists had an issue with rewriting history.

You do not need a law to protect a fact. Come to think of it, why is there no law to protect the historical accounts of other genocides?
 
where did you get that 51 percent jews of the world support occupation

Its actually more, work out the population of worlds Jews and then work out the perecentage in Israel and those who support Israel. Majority of Jews support an occupatoin, aparthied and state terrorism.

Well, you are talking about suppression of freedom of expression by force - legal force in the case of NYT, terrorist machine guns in the case of Charlie Hebdo.

If you support the NYT cartoons you must also support Charlie Hebdo.

You're missing a simple and clear point for the sake of arguing. Its not what I think, it's the double standards of those who claim to be the bearers of freedom of speech ,the free world, civilised world and the rest of the nonsense terms they attach to themselves.

Jews are protected while Muslims are attacked, cant you see this?
 
I can prove it is an existent inequality. Jews are considered a race. Is Islam, Christianity, Hinduism considered as races? Yes or no?

I cited the Equalities act in an other thread which clearly states that religious discrimination is not permitted within the workplace, not not outside the workplace, but since Jews are considered a race, they have extra protection by the law. You rejected this as it was from Wiki, and I asked you to cite the precise text that states that religious discrimination is illegal across the board. Can you please cite the text?
Not easy from this little phone. Just go to legislation.gov.uk and look up the Equality Act 2010.

Jews are protected due to their religion and race, just as you are for yours. It matters not that Jewishness is two protected characteristics in one, while Islam and Pakistani are two characteristics, as operationally you have equal protection.

There is a law against “denying history viz-a-viz Jews”, you mentioned it yourself Holocaust denial is a crime in 14 Western countries. I can deny/question any other historical event and it is not a crime in these 14 countries. The Holocaust refers to the genocide of 6 million European Jews. You can include other people if it helps your argument, but pick up any history books, websites, and the Nuremberg trials, all refer to European Jews. In fact, when it was pointed out that other people were murdered, Zionists had an issue with rewriting history.

You do not need a law to protect a fact. Come to think of it, why is there no law to protect the historical accounts of other genocides?


But those countries believe they do need law to protect fellow humans from a return of the most disgusting ideology that ever cursed Europe. It never really touched the British Isles so we never bothered to enact law forbidding the questioning of it.

Right now we are seeing a rise in Othering of Muslims, Jews, Irish, blacks, gays, disabled. The end-stage of Othering happened in Europe within living memory. It cannot be allowed back in.
 
Its actually more, work out the population of worlds Jews and then work out the perecentage in Israel and those who support Israel. Majority of Jews support an occupatoin, aparthied and state terrorism.



You're missing a simple and clear point for the sake of arguing. Its not what I think, it's the double standards of those who claim to be the bearers of freedom of speech ,the free world, civilised world and the rest of the nonsense terms they attach to themselves.

Jews are protected while Muslims are attacked, cant you see this?

No, I cannot. I don’t know who these people are whom you speak of, they seem to be generalisations rather than actual people.

You must speak of individual Jews or Muslims who are attacked, and individual persecutors of these or your point is lost.
 
Its actually more, work out the population of worlds Jews and then work out the perecentage in Israel and those who support Israel. Majority of Jews support an occupatoin, aparthied and state terrorism.



You're missing a simple and clear point for the sake of arguing. Its not what I think, it's the double standards of those who claim to be the bearers of freedom of speech ,the free world, civilised world and the rest of the nonsense terms they attach to themselves.

Jews are protected while Muslims are attacked, cant you see this?

KIng Khan. You are just providing no evidence. Just your opinion. For someone who always asks for proof , your statement is a bit flimsy.
 
KIng Khan. You are just providing no evidence. Just your opinion. For someone who always asks for proof , your statement is a bit flimsy.

I have been to israel where i have seen a massive number of people who are against the occupation and i live in nyc and have many jewish friends. Most of them have not been to israel and are indifferent to the whole palestinain-israel issue. Just to clarify i am not for occupation. I just want to know how did you come up with that number. Please provide evidence.
 
No, I cannot. I don’t know who these people are whom you speak of, they seem to be generalisations rather than actual people.

You must speak of individual Jews or Muslims who are attacked, and individual persecutors of these or your point is lost.

In general media, governments, groups or individuals can offend Muslims but not Jews. If you want to use this individual case then sure, the NYT has only banned political cartoons due to heavy criticism of being antisemitic, never would have made such a policy for any Islamaphobic cartoons.
 
I have been to israel where i have seen a massive number of people who are against the occupation and i live in nyc and have many jewish friends. Most of them have not been to israel and are indifferent to the whole palestinain-israel issue. Just to clarify i am not for occupation. I just want to know how did you come up with that number. Please provide evidence.

From reading polls conducted by Jewish media/groups. Only 6% of Israeli Jews want illegal settlements dismantled, the rest are ok with them. This clearly shows the majority are for occupation of others lands. For US Jews the figure is higher but all in all the majority of Jews around the world support Israeli policies.
 
From reading polls conducted by Jewish media/groups. Only 6% of Israeli Jews want illegal settlements dismantled, the rest are ok with them. This clearly shows the majority are for occupation of others lands. For US Jews the figure is higher but all in all the majority of Jews around the world support Israeli policies.
Can you provide link to the 51 percent that u sited
 
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From reading polls conducted by Jewish media/groups. Only 6% of Israeli Jews want illegal settlements dismantled, the rest are ok with them. This clearly shows the majority are for occupation of others lands. For US Jews the figure is higher but all in all the majority of Jews around the world support Israeli policies.
You had a very specific number. I assume u did not just pull that out of thin air. Hence I ask. Since you have no provided it , I would argue you just made it up. For someone who is always asking everyone else for proof , your claims are resting in pretty flimsy evidence. Actually. I evidence. Just your word.
 
You had a very specific number. I assume u did not just pull that out of thin air. Hence I ask. Since you have no provided it , I would argue you just made it up. For someone who is always asking everyone else for proof , your claims are resting in pretty flimsy evidence. Actually. I evidence. Just your word.

Sorry i mean cited and not sited.
 
Not easy from this little phone. Just go to legislation.gov.uk and look up the Equality Act 2010.

Jews are protected due to their religion and race, just as you are for yours. It matters not that Jewishness is two protected characteristics in one, while Islam and Pakistani are two characteristics, as operationally you have equal protection.

I did, you dismissed the passages; the act protects discrimination on the basis of religion within the work place. Not out side the work place. I wont repeat myself on this point.

You have not answered the question though, are Islam. Christianity, and Hinduism considered races?

Simply put the equalities act 2010 protects Jews against race hate crimes because Jews are considered a race. Other religions do not share this privilege and are merely protected agsint discrimination in the work place.


But those countries believe they do need law to protect fellow humans from a return of the most disgusting ideology that ever cursed Europe. It never really touched the British Isles so we never bothered to enact law forbidding the questioning of it.

Right now we are seeing a rise in Othering of Muslims, Jews, Irish, blacks, gays, disabled. The end-stage of Othering happened in Europe within living memory. It cannot be allowed back in.

Why aren't other genocides/human atrocities protected by law? Are you telling me questioning a historical event should be punishable by law? Like I said, the truth doesn't need a law to protect it - and make no mistake, to make questioning a historical event illegal doesn't prevent the repeat of said atrocities, as you know, austerity is the main cause. Let's forbid austerity?
 
In general media, governments, groups or individuals can offend Muslims but not Jews. If you want to use this individual case then sure, the NYT has only banned political cartoons due to heavy criticism of being antisemitic, never would have made such a policy for any Islamaphobic cartoons.

That’s conjecture on your part. How do you know there is no such policy, except through victim mentality?
 
I did, you dismissed the passages; the act protects discrimination on the basis of religion within the work place. Not out side the work place. I wont repeat myself on this point.

You have not answered the question though, are Islam. Christianity, and Hinduism considered races?

Simply put the equalities act 2010 protects Jews against race hate crimes because Jews are considered a race. Other religions do not share this privilege and are merely protected agsint discrimination in the work place.

They are not and I honestly don’t see the issue. All races and religions are protected under the Equality Act, not just Jews. You are getting hung up over a definition, when operationally you are equally protected.

Why aren't other genocides/human atrocities protected by law? Are you telling me questioning a historical event should be punishable by law? Like I said, the truth doesn't need a law to protect it - and make no mistake, to make questioning a historical event illegal doesn't prevent the repeat of said atrocities, as you know, austerity is the main cause. Let's forbid austerity?

Yes, it should be in this case. People have to be protected by law. The Germans must do all they can to prevent that evil reoccurring on their soil. If you question it then you start to forget the lesson of history and a reoccurrence is just that little bit more likely.
 
They are not and I honestly don’t see the issue. All races and religions are protected under the Equality Act, not just Jews. You are getting hung up over a definition, when operationally you are equally protected.

I am not getting hung up over a definition, you are just not willing to accept the difference. The fact is from a technical perspective, i.e the law, because Jews are considered a race, they have extra protection. If you do not believe me then why do you think MPs are debating on the definition of Islamophobia if the Equality acts protects all religions equality?


Yes, it should be in this case. People have to be protected by law. The Germans must do all they can to prevent that evil reoccurring on their soil. If you question it then you start to forget the lesson of history and a reoccurrence is just that little bit more likely.

People should be protected by law, but not history.
 
That’s conjecture on your part. How do you know there is no such policy, except through victim mentality?

You think Muslims are not victims? The policies of the 'civilised' world caused over a million deaths in Iraq. You support the invasion of one of the poorest nations on Earth(Afghnistan) by over 40 nations which has resulted in thousands of deaths and most of these are directly at the hands of invading armies but in your opinion they are not victims because the deserved to be invaded even though no Afghan attacked USA or UK and Afghans asked for evidence but were denied?

It's not conjecture at all, only when antisemtisim complaints were receieved did the NYT stop it's cartoons, not because of any complaints from Muslims in years gone by.

Sorry Robert but you're living on a different planet to everyone else if you cant see one set of people are protected while another are not.
 
You had a very specific number. I assume u did not just pull that out of thin air. Hence I ask. Since you have no provided it , I would argue you just made it up. For someone who is always asking everyone else for proof , your claims are resting in pretty flimsy evidence. Actually. I evidence. Just your word.

lol. Try using a search engine? The figure is from a Jewish news outlet which was quoting a poll. Your evidence is is your personal experience which means nothing on a forum because we can never confirm if its true or even if you are being truthful. Please dont waste my time with such poor arguments and change your name from Mr Q to Mr O.
 
lol. Try using a search engine? The figure is from a Jewish news outlet which was quoting a poll. Your evidence is is your personal experience which means nothing on a forum because we can never confirm if its true or even if you are being truthful. Please dont waste my time with such poor arguments and change your name from Mr Q to Mr O.

You mind providing that link to the poll please. I have asked you 3-4 times for the link. Please provide the link. Honestly I just want to read the dam article where you got the number .
 
You think Muslims are not victims? The policies of the 'civilised' world caused over a million deaths in Iraq. You support the invasion of one of the poorest nations on Earth(Afghnistan) by over 40 nations which has resulted in thousands of deaths and most of these are directly at the hands of invading armies but in your opinion they are not victims because the deserved to be invaded even though no Afghan attacked USA or UK and Afghans asked for evidence but were denied?

It's not conjecture at all, only when antisemtisim complaints were receieved did the NYT stop it's cartoons, not because of any complaints from Muslims in years gone by.

Sorry Robert but you're living on a different planet to everyone else if you cant see one set of people are protected while another are not.

You’re being evasive.

CAIR watches American news outlets and will sue them for defamation if it perceives any.

Again, how do you know the NYT has a different policy on antiSemitism and Islamophobia in cartoons? How many accusations of each type of prejudice have been made and what were the results?
 
I am not getting hung up over a definition, you are just not willing to accept the difference. The fact is from a technical perspective, i.e the law, because Jews are considered a race, they have extra protection. If you do not believe me then why do you think MPs are debating on the definition of Islamophobia if the Equality acts protects all religions equality?

People should be protected by law, but not history.

There is no operational difference. Jews have no extra racial protection than you or I do. You have a race, I have a race, Jews have a race.

As I understand it Islamophobia is considered part of an extended definition of racism these days.

I am also protected against religious discrimination. If a workplace decides I am a fair skinned blue eyed Afghani Muslim due to my beard and association with you, even then I am protected again racial and religious discrimination despite not being Afghani or Muslim.
 
There is no operational difference. Jews have no extra racial protection than you or I do. You have a race, I have a race, Jews have a race.

As I understand it Islamophobia is considered part of an extended definition of racism these days.


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I am also protected against religious discrimination. If a workplace decides I am a fair skinned blue eyed Afghani Muslim due to my beard and association with you, even then I am protected again racial and religious discrimination despite not being Afghani or Muslim.

It is already established that discrimination based on religion is protected at the workplace, we are talking outside the workplace.
 
You’re being evasive.

CAIR watches American news outlets and will sue them for defamation if it perceives any.

Again, how do you know the NYT has a different policy on antiSemitism and Islamophobia in cartoons? How many accusations of each type of prejudice have been made and what were the results?

CAIR is an independent group which raises concerns and most of them have never been challenged.

NYT has only stopped these cartoons due to antisemitism complaints, they never for Islamaphobic concerns.

A simple question. Do you really believe the western media narrative is equally fair to both Jews and Muslims? Do you also believe laws are fair for both two? Yes or No?
 
KING KHAN. Could you please provide the link where you got the number from. Its been over a week and i have asked you 4-5 times now. Have a strange feeling you made it up.
 
Zionist jews, they make up the top 1% of the world and control literally everything. The American sheep government is responsible for supporting this cancer by overflowing and spoiling the "poor" jews with our tax money. Always bring up the holocaust and call you anti semitic if you even mentioning Israel or the "z" word. Israeli are the real terrorists and these extremists alt right wingnuts are quick to call people who support palestine and are against the evil zionist regime "libtards" but we are not liberals we are being for real. I hate these zionist jews more then those stinky hindus.
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Also Muslims might be oppressed but Christians and even Jews in some areas are as oppressed as Muslims so we cant have the victim mentality. Also alt left snowflakes are quick to call people "islamaphobic" or "anti islamic" for arguing against islam or the Quran. Islamaphobia is a overused term that needs to die ASAP. Makes us look even more bad then we look right now.
 
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CAIR is an independent group which raises concerns and most of them have never been challenged.

NYT has only stopped these cartoons due to antisemitism complaints, they never for Islamaphobic concerns.

A simple question. Do you really believe the western media narrative is equally fair to both Jews and Muslims? Do you also believe laws are fair for both two? Yes or No?

CAIR sues organisations which defame Muslims.

What are you basing your second statement on - have you done a survey of NYT cartons or are you just pulling assumptions out of the air?

1. Depend what you mean by Western media. Difficult to answer such a generalised and loaded question.

2. Yes, absolutely 100% equally fair.
 
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CAIR sues organisations which defame Muslims.

What are you basing your second statement on - have you done a survey of NYT cartons or are you just pulling assumptions out of the air?

1. Depend what you mean by Western media. Difficult to answer such a generalised and loaded question.

2. Yes, absolutely 100% equally fair.

Out of all the complaints CAIR have made, how many of those organisations were sued?

Im basing it on a fact. NYT never did worry about before but only when antisemitism was argued.

Sky, BBC, CNN, Fox. Do they use the same language towards Jews as they do towards Muslims?

Wrong. There is a huge difference between race laws and religous laws. Jews are protected under race laws while Muslims are not. I told you before stand on a street corner maybe in a Jewish area and simply read texts from the Talmud, lets see if you are free do to so.
 
Out of all the complaints CAIR have made, how many of those organisations were sued?

Im basing it on a fact. NYT never did worry about before but only when antisemitism was argued.

Sky, BBC, CNN, Fox. Do they use the same language towards Jews as they do towards Muslims?

Wrong. There is a huge difference between race laws and religous laws. Jews are protected under race laws while Muslims are not. I told you before stand on a street corner maybe in a Jewish area and simply read texts from the Talmud, lets see if you are free do to so.

As part of the Hometown doc, there were segments of the EDL holding protests against Muslims. Some of the stuff they were saying was just terrible, yet they were not arrested as it is not illegal to discriminate a religion in public. However, take their chants and swap the word Muslims with Jews, it's anti-semitism because Jews are protected by race laws, and race laws are ubiquitous in the UK.
 
As part of the Hometown doc, there were segments of the EDL holding protests against Muslims. Some of the stuff they were saying was just terrible, yet they were not arrested as it is not illegal to discriminate a religion in public. However, take their chants and swap the word Muslims with Jews, it's anti-semitism because Jews are protected by race laws, and race laws are ubiquitous in the UK.

100%. This is a simple observation and the difference betwen anti-religious laws and anti-race laws.

Jewish Rabbis reguarly state absurd things but this is rarely(if ever) highlighted in the tv news media but Muslim scholars saying the same would be highlighted. Only some newspaper media might write a story. Here is one recent example.

Ultra-orthodox Israeli rabbi bans girls over five from riding bikes because it is 'provocative'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...h0ZgRl8s1v7uB33_FioQcjzc6bnSL3NfyC1PQD4nAEVtI
 
Church of England offers mea culpa on antisemitism

Church of England offers mea culpa on antisemitism

Christians are to blame for centuries of antisemitism which led to the Holocaust and prejudice in modern politics, the Church of England has said, offering its “repentance”.

In an unprecedented 100-page report, the church confesses that “Christians have been guilty of promoting and fostering negative stereotypes of Jewish people that have contributed to grave suffering and injustice”, dating to when early Christians blamed Jews for the death of Jesus.

The report said that Christian teaching had provided a “fertile seedbed for murderous antisemitism” over generations, explaining: “Within living memory, such ideas contributed to fostering the passive acquiescence if not positive support of many Christians in actions that led to the Holocaust.”

The report, published today, represents the first formal “recognition on the part of the Church that it bears a considerable measure of responsibility for the spread of antisemitism”.

It also mentions antisemitism in modern British politics, found “across the political spectrum, on the left as well as on the right”.

Work began on the document in 2016. Its publication date was set before the general election was called but the decision to release it during a campaign that has featured accusations of antisemitism has been described as extraordinary.

The report does not mention the Labour Party or Jeremy Corbyn. It does state that “some of the approaches and language used by pro-Palestinian advocates are indeed reminiscent of what could be called traditional antisemitism”.

Antony Lerman, founder of the Institute for Jewish Policy Research, said this could be used as a “stick to beat the Labour Party”, even if not intended in that way. The church said that it felt such a report was already “long overdue”.

The report says that some prayers and hymns still endorsed by the Church of England bear antisemitic sentiment, including in the Book of Common Prayer, which talks of the “ignorance, hardness of heart and contempt” shown by “Jews, Turks, infidels and heretics”.

The English church has a particular guilt, the report adds. The blood libel idea, that Jews use the blood of Christian children in rituals, was invented in England after the murder of the 12-year-old William of Norwich in 1144 and was encouraged by Church of England cathedrals. The report adds: “In 1290, England became the first country to order the entire Jewish community to leave.”

The report, entitled God’s Unfailing Word: Theological and Practical Perspectives on Christian-Jewish Relations, has been backed by the Most Rev Justin Welby, the Archbishop of Canterbury, who writes in a foreword: “Too often in history the church has been responsible for and colluded in antisemitism and the fact that antisemitic language and attacks are on the rise across the UK and Europe means we cannot be complacent.”

One section warns: “Christians need to be aware that some Jews continue to fear that Christianity is itself, at root, irredeemably antisemitic.” The report also warns that antisemitism has caused “fear and distress . . . especially for young Jews at university in the UK”.

The report notes that antisemitism existed before the birth of Christianity but said that early Christians amplified it, noting: “Some would find the seeds of Christian antisemitism within the New Testament itself . . . in the manner in which it represents Jewish opposition to Jesus and then to the early church.”

This led Christians to blame Jews for Jesus’s death, laying a charge of “collective guilt against the Jewish people for rejecting the Messiah and for deicide”. It notes: “The centuries of Christian government in European history include a long catalogue of anti-Jewish measures, such as legal discrimination and periodic expulsion alongside bouts of communal violence leading in some cases to the massacre of entire communities.”

The report also contains strong criticism from Ephraim Mirvis, the Chief Rabbi. In an afterword he welcomes the report as “sensitive and unequivocal” in owning up to Christian guilt but attacks the church for failing to condemn Christian groups who “target Jews for conversion to Christianity”. He says that some Christians see Jews as “quarry to be pursued and converted” and that there is within the Church of England a “theological approach that is permissive of this behaviour”.

Prejudicial language
“His blood be on us and on our children!” The words in Matthew’s gospel, spoken to Pontius Pilate by the crowd, can been read as an admission of Jewish guilt over Jesus’s crucifixion.

A line in the hymn Lo, He Comes with Clouds Descending states: “Those who set at naught and sold [Jesus] . . . Deeply wailing shall the true Messiah see.” The church warns that this can be seen as referring to Jewish guilt but should be seen as a comment on all humankind.

A prayer in the Book of Common Prayer says that “Jews, Turks [and] infidels” should be cured of their “hardness of heart and contempt”.

Behind the story
Lone voices in the church were calling for Christianity to “face up to its history on antisemitism” even before the Second World War, Diarmaid MacCulloch, professor of church history at Oxford University, said.

The “impressive” report published today was “the end result of a lot of careful and anguished” thinking that began after the conflict, he added.

Antony Lerman, founder of the Institute for Jewish Policy Research think tank, found the timing of the report extraordinary. He said that its criticism of antisemitism among some pro-Palestine advocates could be used to attack the Labour Party and the church “could easily have shelved it [until] after the election”.

Anthony Julius, a lawyer who has written about antisemitism, said that the report showed a “generalising level of abstraction”. He would have expected a more “empirical investigation into the views of church members” today and was surprised to find no mention of Labour or Jeremy Corbyn. It was “brave and admirable” to include criticism from the Chief Rabbi.

David Feldman, an antisemitism expert at Birkbeck University, said: “It could be helpful in drawing attention to the deep reservoir of antisemitic stereotypes and narratives within our culture.” It showed that the “racial antisemitism” of the 20th century was part of the same phenomenon as the “religious anti-Judaism” of previous centuries.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/church-of-england-offers-mea-culpa-on-antisemitism-h22wtlrcl

Well well, most of us knew this already, but nice to hear it from the Church of England!
 
There has always been some form of bad picture about the Jews. Starting from Shakespeare to Hitler.

But I think in more recent times Israel has given rise to the antisemitism especially in Arab countries and speficially its neighbours.
 
There has always been some form of bad picture about the Jews. Starting from Shakespeare to Hitler.

But I think in more recent times Israel has given rise to the antisemitism especially in Arab countries and speficially its neighbours.

It didn't start with Shakespeare, it goes way way back.
 
Church of England offers mea culpa on antisemitism



https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/church-of-england-offers-mea-culpa-on-antisemitism-h22wtlrcl

Well well, most of us knew this already, but nice to hear it from the Church of England!

Interesting to hear this from the church.

Jews have been attacked by Christians for centuries, then Zionism was born. Now Jews and Christians have an alliance for the first time in history. Fascinating the Quran predicts this and warns Mulsims.

Here.. A British Jewish celeb wiping out an anti aparthied message and calling Corbyn a racist. lol. How stupid are these people? Or perhaps to these Jews black people mean nothing while they are chosen people.

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Interesting to hear this from the church.

Jews have been attacked by Christians for centuries, then Zionism was born. Now Jews and Christians have an alliance for the first time in history. Fascinating the Quran predicts this and warns Mulsims.

Here.. A British Jewish celeb wiping out an anti aparthied message and calling Corbyn a racist. lol. How stupid are these people? Or perhaps to these Jews black people mean nothing while they are chosen people.

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She is a disgusting, unhinged individual who suppots Israeli aparheid and racism.
https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/mike-sivier-libel-fight/
 
Before answering the question, no religion should be above scrutiny regardless of historical injustices. Why should religious beliefs be held to a higher standard than political ideologies ? Both prescribe a certain way society should be organised, and therefore should be subject to accountability and the rigorous standards of debate that everyone is entitled to in a free democracy. That includes Islam, which does have some troubling aspects, but also Christianity where one can find truly barbaric views from the Old Testament, and yes Judaism. One can be sensitive to the fact Jews have been subjected to historical persecution and genocide that we all should abhor as human beings, but acknowledge it's still a religion like any other and extremism in the name of Judaism cannot be viewed with a double standard because of past events.

As for the question of rising Anti-Semitism, to boil it down to one individual factor is foolish as there are many rational and irrational causes to why someone develops a particular worldview. Since the OP is asking about modern Anti-Semitism we should stick to modern history, and the biggest contributor to modern Anti-Semitism is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

The conflict has political and economic roots but undoubtedly religion is at the core of the conflict. It's not a question of whether the conflict has a religious component or not when Israel ITSELF officially defined itself last year as a Jewish State, that the right to self-determination in Israel is "unique to the Jewish people", and wishes the Palestinians to recognise it as such. Israel themselves chose to blur the lines between politics and religion, using Anti-Semitism as a cover for its policies. Therefore inevitably religious conflict, and Anti-Semitism has spilled out onto the open. And the Israeli electorate does bear some culpability for that. Nobody forced them to vote for Benjamin Netanyahu, their most right-wing leader in Israeli history and Israel's longest serving Prime Minister, when there are pro-peace parties they could vote for like Meretz. Much of the Israeli electorate have either supported, or turned a blind eye, to the dehumanising treatment and displacement of Palestinians and the decades long military occupation that has denied them statehood.

What I really deplore is this notion amongst the Israeli right that if Western progressives do not subscribe to a narrow, exclusionary, pro-Likud position on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that you are anti-semitic - Jeremy Corbyn being a prime example. What I deplore even strongly is the misuse of the legacy of the Holocaust, one of humanity's darkest chapters and an irreversible stain on Western Civilisation, to support the ongoing subjugation of the Palestinians. These hardliners make out if one supports a Palestinian state along 1967 borders with East Jerusalem, that somehow is returning the Jews to the gas chambers of Auschwitz. It's deeply offensive and politically stupid if you genuinely advocate for the rights of the Jewish people.

Conversely, I also urge those on the progressive wing of politics, which I share, not to fall into the right wing's trap. Whilst I hold it's a small minority within the left that's grossly exaggerated by the right wing media - by not recognising and tackling genuine anti-semitism on our side you allow the Israeli right to paint the Palestinian freedom campaign as a vehicle for the destruction of the Jewish people which is a smear they've always used to delegitimise Palestinian self-determination. Hardline Zionism propagated by Sheldon Adelson and Rupert Murdoch do not represent all Jews worldwide - most Jews in the US vote for the Democratic Party which is turning increasingly pro-peace thanks to Jewish progressives like Bernie Sanders. It's important to recognise some of the biggest allies in the cause for Palestinian rights are progressive Jews such as J Street, Jews for Justice for Palestinians, European Jews for a Just Peace and B'Tselem (relentlessly demonised in Israel for documenting Israeli atrocities). This must be a multi-religious, multi-national struggle incorporating all classes and races.

The other contributor is the rise of racial resentments generally in the West owing to years of wage stagnation since the 2008 Recession, long-term deindustrialisation amd demographic changes which the far-right has exploited. Anti-Semitism is just one cheek of the same backside of bigotry, along with Islamophobia, which the elites use to divide the working class to vote against their best interests. Both Muslims and Jews have been killed in places of worship by far-right terrorists that the likes of Donald Trump have emboldened with their rhetoric.

Finally, the role of social media must be examined in providing angry white males an outlet to ventilate their prejudices. These tech companies are doing nothing as their algorithms allow impressional individuals to go down an online rabbit hole of racist conspiracies and hatred.
 
Man wanted over anti-Semitic abuse on Northern Line

A man is being sought by police for directing "horrific" anti-Semitic abuse towards Jewish children on the London Underground.

He was filmed reading anti-Jewish Bible passages to two boys in skullcaps travelling with family on the Northern Line at about midday on Friday.

"He was just screaming at these children," said Chris Atkins, who filmed the incident.

British Transport Police is looking for the man and appealing for witnesses.

Mr Atkins recorded the altercation for about two minutes "on instinct" before moving to swap seats with the young boy next to the man.

"It was the children that really got me and everyone else, he was just screaming at these children. It was horrific in every sense," he said.

"He... said in the Bible [that] Jews killed Jesus and they are all slave masters. I've lived in London for 20 years and you're used to people ranting on the Tube - it was only after a minute I realised, 'hang on this is really, really anti-Semitic'."

The man was seen in the video threatening a man off-camera after he tried to intervene. A woman in a hijab also confronted him.

"The Muslim woman... really, really took him to task, very firmly and persistently," Mr Atkins said.

"In this day and age we are told how intolerant everyone is and all religions hate each other and there you had a Muslim woman sticking up for some Jewish children."

Mr Atkins said the family got off the train a few stops later at Leicester Square and the father of the two boys gave him consent to share the video on Twitter.

British Transport Police said: "A video circulating online showed passengers being harassed and being targeted with anti-Semitic abuse.

"Anyone who knows the identity of the man in the image is asked to contact BTP."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-50529467
 
Interesting to hear this from the church.

Jews have been attacked by Christians for centuries, then Zionism was born. Now Jews and Christians have an alliance for the first time in history. Fascinating the Quran predicts this and warns Mulsims.

Here.. A British Jewish celeb wiping out an anti aparthied message and calling Corbyn a racist. lol. How stupid are these people? Or perhaps to these Jews black people mean nothing while they are chosen people.

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The report said that Christian teaching had provided a “fertile seedbed for murderous antisemitism” over generations, explaining: “Within living memory, such ideas contributed to fostering the passive acquiescence if not positive support of many Christians in actions that led to the Holocaust.”

Yet the current narrative is Muslims are responsible for antisemitism in the West when the reality is that Christians despise Jews more than any other demographic.
 
A man has been arrested after a video of a Tube passenger directing "horrific" abuse at Jewish children was released.

The clip showed a man reading anti-Semitic Bible passages to two boys in skullcaps.

British Transport Police launched an appeal over the footage, recorded by a commuter on the London Underground.

The force said it had arrested a man in Birmingham on suspicion of a racially aggravated offence.

A woman, who was widely praised after she was seen confronting the man in the video, has said she "wouldn't hesitate to do it again".

Asma Shuweikh, from London, said she wished more people had intervened when the man started being aggressive towards other passengers on the Northern Line service.

Recalling the altercation on Friday, she said if "everyone did, I do not think it would have escalated in the way that it did."

"Being a mother of two, I know what it's like to be in that situation and I would want someone to help if I was in that situation," she said.

Ms Shuweikh said the response to her actions on social media had been "heart-warming".

"I can't take all the credit because a lot of other people were involved. I would not hesitate to do it again," she said.

Commuter Chris Atkins recorded the altercation before moving to swap seats with the young boy next to the man.

"It was the children that really got me and everyone else, he was just screaming at these children. It was horrific in every sense," he said.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-50533617.
 
Monsey stabbing: Five people wounded at home of New York rabbi

At least five people have been stabbed at the house of a rabbi in New York state, police say.

The house in Monsey, north of New York City, was hosting a religious celebration when the attacker burst in, according to the Orthodox Jewish Public Affairs Council (OJPAC).

The suspect fled but was later taken into custody, police said. The motive was not immediately clear.

One of the victims was stabbed at least six times, OJPAC said in a tweet.

The attack came a day after New York city police said officers were stepping up patrols in heavily Jewish districts following a spate of anti-Semitic threats and attacks.

What happened?
A man brandishing a machete attacked a Hanukkah celebration at the rabbi's property in Monsey - an area with a large population of ultra-Orthodox Jews, CBS New York reported. The incident happened at about 22:00 on Saturday (03:00 GMT Sunday).

"The house had many dozens of people in there," Yossi Gestetner, a co-founder of OJPAC for the Hudson Valley region, told the New York Times.

Aron Kohn, 65, was in the rabbi's home at the time. He told the paper: "I was praying for my life. He started attacking people right away as soon as he came in the door. We didn't have time to react at all."

Mr Kohn said that the attacker then tried to enter a synagogue next to the house, but people inside had locked the door.

Reports said the attacker fled the scene in a car and some witnesses noted the number plate. Police said later they had located a matching vehicle and arrested a suspect.

What reaction has there been?
New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said the stabbings were a "despicable and cowardly act".

"Anti-Semitism and bigotry of any kind are repugnant to our values of inclusion and diversity and we have absolutely zero tolerance for such acts of hate," he said in a statement.

Letitia James, the New York Attorney General, said she was "deeply disturbed" by the situation.

"There is zero tolerance for acts of hate of any kind and we will continue to monitor this horrific situation," she said in a Twitter post.

The New York Police counter-terrorism unit said it was "closely monitoring" the reports.

In Israel, President Reuven Rivlin expressed his "shock and outrage" at the attack.

"The rise of anti-Semitism is not just a Jewish problem, and certainly not just the State of Israel's problem," he said in a statement.

"We must work together to confront this evil, which is raising its head again and is a genuine threat around the world."

The attack follows a series of anti-Semitic threats and attacks in and around New York City. On Friday Mayor Bill de Blasio announced extra police patrols in three areas of Brooklyn.

Responding to the attack in Monsey, Mr de Blasio said he could not "overstate the fear people are feeling right now".

"We will not allow this to become the new normal. We'll use every tool we have to stop these attacks once and for all," he said.

The Jewish holiday of Hanukkah marks the victory of Judah Maccabee over the Syrian Greeks in the Second Century BC and the recapture of Jerusalem.

Are anti-Semitic attacks on the rise in the US?
On Friday New York city police's hate crimes unit said it was investigating eight anti-Semitic incidents reported since 13 December.

They included a threat by a man who walked into an Orthodox Jewish community organisation's headquarters in Brooklyn and threatened to shoot someone. In another incident a 30-year-old woman reportedly slapped three women in the face.

New York Police Department commissioner Dermot Shea has said hate crimes in New York City are up 22% this year.

"You see a swastika being drawn, you see a brick being thrown through a window, you see a woman walking down the street with her kids and having her wig ripped off," he said.

Earlier this month officials in New Jersey said a gun attack that killed a detective and three people in a Jewish supermarket was being investigated as "potential acts of domestic terror, fuelled both by anti-Semitism and anti-law enforcement beliefs".

In April a gunman killed a female rabbi and wounded three people at a synagogue in San Diego.

That attack came exactly six months after the deadliest anti-Semitic attack in US history, when a gunman killed 11 worshippers at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50937186
 
Looks like a hate crime to me - waiting for more updates about motive of attacker.
 
Police are investigating after antisemitic graffiti was daubed on "at least 12" locations in north London during the Jewish festival of Hanukkah.

The racist messages appeared in a number of locations around Hampstead and Belsize Park on Saturday night.

The graffiti, sprayed on to buildings and objects using red and purple paint, depicts the Star of David and the numbers "9.11", possibly a reference to a conspiracy theory that Jews were involved in the 2001 terror attacks.

One of the messages is believed to have been sprayed outside a Jewish restaurant, while others appeared on cafes, shops and South Hampstead Synagogue.

Police were called shortly before midnight but no arrests have been made yet.

It follows an attack at a rabbi's home in New York in which five people were stabbed as they celebrated Hanukkah.

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said he was sending "love and solidarity" to the Jewish community.

Writing on social media, he said: "How terrible that Chanukah started with a message of hope and on this last day we face antisemitic graffiti in London and horrific stabbings at a party in New York.

"We stand with all our communities facing hate."

Teams are now working to remove the graffiti and officers will be patrolling the area.

Inspector Kev Hailes of the Metropolitan Police said: "This is clearly a concerning incident and one we are taking seriously.

"I ask anyone who might have seen anything suspicious last night to call us and aid the investigation."

Commentator and novelist Norman Lebrecht tweeted a message from his synagogue, which read: "Dear Community,
Unfortunately the Synagogue was daubed with anti-Semitic graffiti last night.

"[We] were not the only ones - this occurred in at least 12 other locations in Hampstead and Belsize Park.

"The Police, Camden Council and CST have been informed."

Oliver Cooper, a Conservative councillor for Hampstead, said he was "sickened" by the racist abuse.

"All decent people across Britain stand with our Jewish community - and we must move heaven and earth to eradicate this racist hatred, which was unimaginable just a few years ago," he wrote on Twitter.

He said the synagogue which had been targeted was "a place of peace and prayer, desecrated by the world's oldest hatred".

Mr Cooper said: "My first reaction was shock and horror." He added he had reported antisemitic graffiti in Hampstead a number of times before.

But he said the latest incident was worse than he had ever seen before, having found the graffiti in nine locations.

Labour MP for Hampstead and Kilburn Tulip Siddiq condemned the vandalism as "unbelievable, senseless, disgusting antisemitism at the heart of our community".

https://news.sky.com/story/shock-an...daubed-on-shops-and-london-synagogue-11897224
 
The stabbing at a rabbi's house in New York state was "domestic terrorism", state governor Andrew Cuomo says.

Hatred based on race, colour and creed was an "American cancer spreading in the body politic", the governor told a news conference.

He called for a domestic terrorism law in the state to prosecute such crimes.

At least five people were stabbed in the attack in Monsey, north of the city of New York. The attacker was later arrested in New York's Harlem area.

Witnesses said the attacker burst into the house, which was hosting a Hanukkah celebration, pulled out a large knife and began attacking people.

Guests reportedly threw tables and chairs at the man, who then attempted to enter a synagogue next door before fleeing in a car.

However his vehicle registration was passed to police and license plate scanners picked up the car as it entered New York City, where he was detained.

Police have named him as Grafton Thomas, 37, of Greenwood Lake, New York.

What did Governor Cuomo say?
He described the attack as "very disturbing" but said it was not an isolated incident, adding that hostility based on race, religion and immigration status was spreading across the country.

"It is domestic terrorism. These are people who intend to create mass harm, mass violence, and generate fear based on race, colour, creed. That is the definition of terrorism," he said.

"Just because they don't come from another country doesn't mean they are not terrorists. They should be prosecuted as domestic terrorists."

"We are not going to let this poison spread. No one else can defeat this county, but this country can defeat itself," he added.

The attack came a day after New York police said officers were stepping up patrols in heavily Jewish districts following a spate of anti-Semitic threats and attacks.

Two of the victims were still in hospital, police said.

What happened?
A man brandishing a machete attacked a Hanukkah celebration at the rabbi's property in Monsey - an area with a large population of ultra-Orthodox Jews. The incident happened at about 22:00 on Saturday (03:00 GMT Sunday).

"The house had many dozens of people in there," Yossi Gestetner, a co-founder of OJPAC for the Hudson Valley region, told the New York Times.

He said the assailant had his face partially covered by a scarf during the attack and the rabbi's son was one of those he wounded, Mr Gestetner said.

Aron Kohn, 65, was in the rabbi's home at the time. He told the paper: "I was praying for my life. He started attacking people right away as soon as he came in the door. We didn't have time to react at all."

Mr Kohn said that the attacker then tried to enter a synagogue next to the house, but people inside had locked the door.

Local police said the attacker - who has not yet been identified - would face five charges of attempted murder and one of burglary.

What other reaction has there been?
President Trump has not yet responded to the stabbing but his daughter Ivanka - who converted to Judaism - tweeted that it was an "act of pure evil".

In Israel, President Reuven Rivlin expressed his "shock and outrage" at the attack.

"The rise of anti-Semitism is not just a Jewish problem, and certainly not just the State of Israel's problem," he said in a statement.

"We must work together to confront this evil, which is raising its head again and is a genuine threat around the world."

Steve Gold from the Jewish Federation in Rockland County said the US had failed the Jewish community.

"My parents were Holocaust survivors and my father made me promise to do what I can to make sure it never happens again. Today I can say I failed my father. The US has failed my parents and all Holocaust survivors. This cannot continue," he said.

The attack follows a series of anti-Semitic threats and attacks in and around New York City. On Friday Mayor Bill de Blasio announced extra police patrols in three areas of Brooklyn.

Responding to the attack in Monsey, Mr de Blasio said he could not "overstate the fear people are feeling right now".

"We will not allow this to become the new normal. We'll use every tool we have to stop these attacks once and for all," he said.

The Jewish holiday of Hanukkah marks the victory of Judah Maccabee over the Syrian Greeks in the Second Century BC and the recapture of Jerusalem.

Are anti-Semitic attacks on the rise in the US?
On Friday New York city police's hate crimes unit said it was investigating eight anti-Semitic incidents reported since 13 December.

They included a threat by a man who walked into an Orthodox Jewish community organisation's headquarters in Brooklyn and threatened to shoot someone. In another incident a 30-year-old woman reportedly slapped three women in the face.

New York Police Department commissioner Dermot Shea has said hate crimes in New York City are up 22% this year.

"You see a swastika being drawn, you see a brick being thrown through a window, you see a woman walking down the street with her kids and having her wig ripped off," he said.

Earlier this month officials in New Jersey said a gun attack that killed a detective and three people in a Jewish supermarket was being investigated as "potential acts of domestic terror, fuelled both by anti-Semitism and anti-law enforcement beliefs".

In April a gunman killed a female rabbi and wounded three people at a synagogue in San Diego.

That attack came exactly six months after the deadliest anti-Semitic attack in US history, when a gunman killed 11 worshippers at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50938507
 
The man suspected of stabbing five people at a rabbi's house in New York state on Saturday kept journals which included references to Jews and anti-Semitism, authorities said.

Federal prosecutors have filed hate crime charges against Grafton Thomas over the attack.

The filing says his journals included drawings of the Star of David.

His internet search history also included questions such as "why did Hitler hate the Jews", it said.

Grafton Thomas's attorney pointed to his client's history of mental health problems, and said there is no evidence the attack was driven by anti-Semitism.

There has been an increase in police patrols around Jewish neighbourhoods and synagogues following the attack.

What was found in the journals?
The criminal complaint said agents recovered journals from the suspect's home in Greenwood Lake, New York, including comments such as "why [people] mourned for anti-Semitism when there is Semitic genocide".

It says the 37-year-old also used his phone to search for "why did Hitler hate the Jews" on four occasions.

"German Jewish Temples near me" and "prominent companies founded by Jews in America" were also searched, along with other references to "Nazi culture" and swastikas. On Saturday, Grafton Thomas accessed an article about an increase in police presence in New York after possible anti-Semitic attacks.

He is expected to appear in federal court on Monday to face five counts of obstructing the free exercise of religious beliefs by attempting to kill with a dangerous weapon and causing injuries.

What did his lawyer say?
Michael Sussman, Thomas's lawyer, told a press conference on Monday that he had requested a full mental health evaluation.

"We were able this morning to... review scores of papers which frankly show the ramblings of a disturbed individual, but there is no suggestion in any of those ramblings... of an anti-Semitic motive," he told reporters.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50952441
 
Countdown’s Rachel Riley in secret talks over Katie Hopkins’ Twitter suspension

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/01/30/coun...kins-twitter-suspension-12155524/?ito=cbshare

"The TV star told her 654,000 followers: ‘I met with @Twitter yesterday with @imi_ahmed from @CCDHate and asked them among other things to review George Galloway & Katie Hopkins’s presence on their platform."

Rachel Riley must think people are stupid. Her real issue is with Galloway but she had to bring in Hopkins(who is finished) to seem neutral. Some T.V personality who is low level is getting too much traction, wonder how much is being paid.
 
Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/01/30/coun...kins-twitter-suspension-12155524/?ito=cbshare

"The TV star told her 654,000 followers: ‘I met with @Twitter yesterday with @imi_ahmed from @CCDHate and asked them among other things to review George Galloway & Katie Hopkins’s presence on their platform."

Rachel Riley must think people are stupid. Her real issue is with Galloway but she had to bring in Hopkins(who is finished) to seem neutral. Some T.V personality who is low level is getting too much traction, wonder how much is being paid.

People who stand up against racism and division must be getting paid?

And there's me thinking is was the right thing to do.
 
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