Are low scores in Pakistan Super League because of strong bowling lineups of teams?

[khanz141]

Everyone is talking about how not many runs are scored in the PSL but I think we forget how good every team's bowling lineups are to score against.

Here are all lineups this year so far and all of them look really really good:

Zalmi:
Umaid Asif
Chris Jordan
Wahab Riaz
Hasan Ali
Muhammad Asghar
Ibthisam Sheikh

United:
Rumman Raes
Steven Finn
Muhammad Sami
Andre Russel
Shdab Khan

Kings:
Muhammad Amir
Tymal Mills
Usman Shinwari
Shahid Afridi
Imad Wasim
Muhammad Irfan Jr

Sultan:
Muhammad Irfan
Sohail Tanvir
Junaid Khan
Imran Tahir

Qalandar:
Mustafizur rehman
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Yasir shah
Sunil narine
Raza Hassan

Gladiators:
Jofra Archer
Rahat Ali
Shane Watson
Muhammad Nawaz
Anwar Ali
Hassan Khan

 

[rizwanak]

Yes, I agree, the bowling lineups are pretty strong

 

[IndianFan2018]

Also because of low quality of batsmans (both local and foreign) !

 

[Kroll]

Lack of quality. Teams should be aiming for 180+.

 

[Shera]

Lack of batting quality mixed with long boundaries and pathetic pitches.

 

[bleed blue]

Lack of quality batting

 

[MenInG]

As Mickey said yesterday, the pitches in Dubai in PSL are a good test of skills.

 

[Madplayer]

Cant wait for matches in Sharja

 

[Mamoon]

The bowling is nothing special, but the batting is minnow level. The quality of batting in the PSL is the worst in any major T20 league.

 

[HuzaifaE]

Bowling has been good, decks aren't great for free scoring and the batting has largely been garbage. I definitely think we've seen some very good bowling thus far though.

 

[Ali Bohra]

This is 110% True Batting is minnow level..

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Bit of both , but more due to lack of quality batters.

 

[Indiafan]

The bowling has been good. However, look at the top scorers. Apart from sanga, the top 3 are malik, Smith and hafeez. Either these guys are amazing atgs able to play unplayable bowling or the batting quality is a bit low

 

[Madplayer]

The bowling has been good. However, look at the top scorers. Apart from sanga, the top 3 are malik, Smith and hafeez. Either these guys are amazing atgs able to play unplayable bowling or the batting quality is a bit low

The pitches are the worst as well. For me that is the biggest factor because players have to adapt and overall scores do come down if pitches arent good. Next few matches are in sharjah, you will see how the same batsmen score heavily there.

 

[AMSS]

Agree with the OP. No doubt that Pakistan may talent bohat hay.

 

[arehaan]

I don't think we have very strong batting line ups. Moreover the wicket in Dubai is no flat bed and has something in it for pacers and spinners always

 

[Kaka4pope]

A lot of the best bats will only play IPL and Big Bash beyond their own nation's franchise league - however, the pitches in the PSL, they might find tougher in terms of boundary flow..

Be good if next PSL, the overseas focus is on batting - doesn't have to be ABD/Warner levels of fame, Guptill, Finch, Roy - half a dozen of this level would be good.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Good balance between bat and ball. Obviously that’s what the spectators are looking for.

 

[shariqnoor]

The bowling plus the fact that the Dubai and Abu Dhabi pitches are not conducive for 180+ scores are the major reasons why we don't see huge scores as compared to the BBL and the IPL.

There is a reason why Pakistan tends to not lose matches when they score 150+.

The same guys (Gayle, McCullum, Pietersen, Simmons, Roy) go in other leagues and smash bowlers but crumble in the PSL. This hasn't to do with low quality batting but more to do with the pitches and the bowlers.

 

[DRsohail]

Bowling.pitches but most importantly the mediocre batting.

 

[TeymurBlake]

Bowling has been solid but the pitches have been pretty awful but I feel the bowling has kind of covered for that and the fact that not alot of well known T20 batsman are playing.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I think it's the pitches in the UAE.

 

[troodon]

Both.

Good bowling and mediocre batting.

 

[Hasan123]

A mixture of good bowling and poor batting. Want to see more high scoring games. Disappointed by the quality of batting so far.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Bit of both. Saw batsmen missing out on juicy half vollies, full tosses.

 

[New Yorker]

Bit of both. Saw batsmen missing out on juicy half vollies, full tosses.

Tricky pitches will also do that to batsmen; not let them settle so they miss even when the pitch goes out of the equation

 

[Plumb]

Sharjah suppose to be flatest of all, lets see if we get 180+ scores there. But overall very disappointed with local batting talent. Almost no one seems to be good....

 

[Big Mac]

I think it's the pitches in the UAE.

Now that Pakistan have an 'aggressive' captain I think we will start seeing the pitches being blamed for UAE scoring rates more than they were in the previous 7-8 years.

Ball doesn't come on to the bat at all which makes it hard to score quickly and fans will finally start to see that

 

[MMHS]

I don't want to spoil the party, but truth is that - it's horrible batting standard and nothing else. Wickets are absolutely brilliant for batting, but yes Dubai out field is slow and large, hence 200+ scores will not be possible often by IPL teams as well. Same wicket, on Indian outfield & grounds, even 220 is not impossible sometimes against same attack.

To give a reality check, let's put two perspective - one from batting & one from bowling.

First batting - so far, it has been absolutely all about foreigners or bust, may be apart from one by Talat.
What I can recall is all the critical innings played by foreigners .... and foreigners, who are either well past their best or doesn't even make their national squad. Pardon my ignorance, if I had missed anything, but what I can recall is apart from Talat, one desperate innings from Fahim and one decent innings from Fakhar, among PAK players; 3 other innings of any note are played by Kamran, MoHa & Malik - 3 obsolete players, who should have been International history by now. Sanga, Watson, Bopara, Ingram, Smith, Buzz ....even Narine are the news-makers with bat, which should be eye openers for those who are not using Green sheds.

Next coming to bowling - the hype I read for PSL bowling with only regular internationals out side PAK there being Mustafiz (& from PAK as well, so far Hasan hasn't played & Amir bowled 6 overs so far, and Shinwari one game), it really exposes the desperation. Come on guys, if I take out Hasan Ali, Raees, Shadab, Amir, Imad, Irfaaan, Tahir, Mustafiz & Narine (I give BoD to Asghar, Wahab, Afridi, Nawaz, Archer, Mills, Shinwari...) we are boasting PSL attack when 60%+ overs by every team is bowled by -

Umaid Asif, Chris Jordan, Ibthisam Sheikh, Steven Finn, Muhammad Sami, Andre Russel, Muhammad Irfan Jr, Bopara, Sohail Tanvir, Junaid Khan, Pollard, Malik, Shaheen Shah Afridi, Sohail Khan, Yasir Shah, Raza Hassan, Rahat Ali, Shane Watson, Anwar Ali, Hassan Khan .......

I could have taken it STILL somewhat, if the scores were 140/150 range regularly - teams are stalling to 125 ish scores and sides are chasing that in 1st gear!!!! Only once Watson middled it, QG walked past the total, still there Asad looked like fish out of water and he is in his form of life in recent domestics. Twice scores were 170+ and chasing side didn't even had a sniff at that.

.... Looks like both contact lenses & sheds of GREEN are being used here to glorify bowling and justify batting as an out come of that, which probably is good for witch hunting in blogs, but reality should hurt at the hind side.

 

[Kashmirilion]

I don't want to spoil the party, but truth is that - it's horrible batting standard and nothing else. Wickets are absolutely brilliant for batting, but yes Dubai out field is slow and large, hence 200+ scores will not be possible often by IPL teams as well. Same wicket, on Indian outfield & grounds, even 220 is not impossible sometimes against same attack.

To give a reality check, let's put two perspective - one from batting & one from bowling.

First batting - so far, it has been absolutely all about foreigners or bust, may be apart from one by Talat.
What I can recall is all the critical innings played by foreigners .... and foreigners, who are either well past their best or doesn't even make their national squad. Pardon my ignorance, if I had missed anything, but what I can recall is apart from Talat, one desperate innings from Fahim and one decent innings from Fakhar, among PAK players; 3 other innings of any note are played by Kamran, MoHa & Malik - 3 obsolete players, who should have been International history by now. Sanga, Watson, Bopara, Ingram, Smith, Buzz ....even Narine are the news-makers with bat, which should be eye openers for those who are not using Green sheds.

Next coming to bowling - the hype I read for PSL bowling with only regular internationals out side PAK there being Mustafiz (& from PAK as well, so far Hasan hasn't played & Amir bowled 6 overs so far, and Shinwari one game), it really exposes the desperation. Come on guys, if I take out Hasan Ali, Raees, Shadab, Amir, Imad, Irfaaan, Tahir, Mustafiz & Narine (I give BoD to Asghar, Wahab, Afridi, Nawaz, Archer, Mills, Shinwari...) we are boasting PSL attack when 60%+ overs by every team is bowled by -

Umaid Asif, Chris Jordan, Ibthisam Sheikh, Steven Finn, Muhammad Sami, Andre Russel, Muhammad Irfan Jr, Bopara, Sohail Tanvir, Junaid Khan, Pollard, Malik, Shaheen Shah Afridi, Sohail Khan, Yasir Shah, Raza Hassan, Rahat Ali, Shane Watson, Anwar Ali, Hassan Khan .......

I could have taken it STILL somewhat, if the scores were 140/150 range regularly - teams are stalling to 125 ish scores and sides are chasing that in 1st gear!!!! Only once Watson middled it, QG walked past the total, still there Asad looked like fish out of water and he is in his form of life in recent domestics. Twice scores were 170+ and chasing side didn't even had a sniff at that.

.... Looks like both contact lenses & sheds of GREEN are being used here to glorify bowling and justify batting as an out come of that, which probably is good for witch hunting in blogs, but reality should hurt at the hind side.

Absolutely nailed it!

 

[Darkrai]

Bowling is solid, it's not amazing but good enough. However, batting has been appalling so far. Pitches are good for batting but since these aren't the type of pitches our batsmen are used to they are struggling. It's rather concerning that we don't have a single world class batsmen. The difference between our batting and the top teams batting is vast. I think the PCB needs to take some step to ensure that the gap does not widen and try to develop batsmen from early on.

 

[Fahdi]

Good bowling standards coupled with poor batting standards. The pitches were good for batting when they were new but in the last few matches they have gotten worn down and it has been hard to score freely.

 

[Fahdi]

Of all the players in the PSL how many batsmen would you place amongst the top 20 in the world? This will give you an idea about the batting standards.

 

[Mercurial]

Mediocre batsmen + Poor pitch (and slow outfield) = Low scoring, boring games (which kills the point of T20 cricket).

 

[ManFan]

How many times has a PSL team crossed 200?

 

[Gubol123]

I don't want to spoil the party, but truth is that - it's horrible batting standard and nothing else. Wickets are absolutely brilliant for batting, but yes Dubai out field is slow and large, hence 200+ scores will not be possible often by IPL teams as well. Same wicket, on Indian outfield & grounds, even 220 is not impossible sometimes against same attack.

To give a reality check, let's put two perspective - one from batting & one from bowling.

First batting - so far, it has been absolutely all about foreigners or bust, may be apart from one by Talat.
What I can recall is all the critical innings played by foreigners .... and foreigners, who are either well past their best or doesn't even make their national squad. Pardon my ignorance, if I had missed anything, but what I can recall is apart from Talat, one desperate innings from Fahim and one decent innings from Fakhar, among PAK players; 3 other innings of any note are played by Kamran, MoHa & Malik - 3 obsolete players, who should have been International history by now. Sanga, Watson, Bopara, Ingram, Smith, Buzz ....even Narine are the news-makers with bat, which should be eye openers for those who are not using Green sheds.

Next coming to bowling - the hype I read for PSL bowling with only regular internationals out side PAK there being Mustafiz (& from PAK as well, so far Hasan hasn't played & Amir bowled 6 overs so far, and Shinwari one game), it really exposes the desperation. Come on guys, if I take out Hasan Ali, Raees, Shadab, Amir, Imad, Irfaaan, Tahir, Mustafiz & Narine (I give BoD to Asghar, Wahab, Afridi, Nawaz, Archer, Mills, Shinwari...) we are boasting PSL attack when 60%+ overs by every team is bowled by -

Umaid Asif, Chris Jordan, Ibthisam Sheikh, Steven Finn, Muhammad Sami, Andre Russel, Muhammad Irfan Jr, Bopara, Sohail Tanvir, Junaid Khan, Pollard, Malik, Shaheen Shah Afridi, Sohail Khan, Yasir Shah, Raza Hassan, Rahat Ali, Shane Watson, Anwar Ali, Hassan Khan .......

I could have taken it STILL somewhat, if the scores were 140/150 range regularly - teams are stalling to 125 ish scores and sides are chasing that in 1st gear!!!! Only once Watson middled it, QG walked past the total, still there Asad looked like fish out of water and he is in his form of life in recent domestics. Twice scores were 170+ and chasing side didn't even had a sniff at that.

.... Looks like both contact lenses & sheds of GREEN are being used here to glorify bowling and justify batting as an out come of that, which probably is good for witch hunting in blogs, but reality should hurt at the hind side.

Thank you for summing up my thoughts.. I think PPers, like always, are overvaluing their bowling resources.. apart from Pak players, there are very few bowlers who will get into their respective national team. Only current international quality bowler i could see was Fizz and he is working his way back from Injury. Most others are not even the second choice players in their respective national teams. It is highly ludicrous to suggest that these bowlers are of very high quality. Actually the fact that this low quality bowling (apart from Pak national team players) is able to restrict the PSL batsmen shows PSL batsman in a very poor light. I have only seen some score cards and have not seen them play live, so I might be mistaken. But it is difficult to believe the retired bowlers, second class bowlers or those who are well past their sell by date are somehow world class. If they were they would be playing for their national teams