Are Pakistan desperate to play cricket with India?

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Saw the press conference of Ramiz Raja of 1 hour.
No less then 5 times he was asked about whether he will do any backdoor diplomacy to have a bilateral series with India.

In the same statement those journalists called India riwayati hareef(Enemy Country) and then asking for playing cricket.

Why ? As per Wasim Khan Pakistan cricket is thriving and they don't need India. So Why does this question keeps on coming back in Pakistan media.

My views on this are pretty consistent since the day I have joined the forum. So not repeating them here.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

May be I should correct the title. It is more the Pakistani media? Every journalist or ex-Pakistani cricketer and youtuber repeats this question.
Baffling to understand why?

Bit of a controversial topic and question on this forum so expecting some heat as well. That is okay

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Personally, I’m fine with Pakistan and India not playing, but it should also be the same for ICC events.

I wouldn’t take our journalists too seriously, most Pakistani cricket journalists are idiots who have zero knowledge of cricket.

 

[Major]

To add to this thread.

Gambhir already has made his Indian 11 that should play agianst Pakistan in the world t20
https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...o-place-for-star-spinner-101631698420096.html

Sehwag is saying that he will be getting goosebumps.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...stan-virender-sehwag/articleshow/85887202.cms

Its clear that your players are more desperate, yet if a journalist ask the new chairman his stance that shows the desperation of Pakistanis... nice logic.

 

[Rana]

Watch how all the Bollywood A listers will be in the stadium for their own publicity in this match

And Pakistan is the one desperate to play against India lol

 

[Major]

Watch how all the Bollywood A listers will be in the stadium for their own publicity in this match

And Pakistan is the one desperate to play against India lol

last week there was an article where TOI was comparing Jasprit and co with our vintage bowlers

ANd yet this poster has the gal to ask that Pakistan is desperate.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Watch how all the Bollywood A listers will be in the stadium for their own publicity in this match

And Pakistan is the one desperate to play against India lol

Not once has BCCI said its interested in playing a bilateral series with Pakistan.

Pakistan even went to court on this issue.

Court means the ICC DRC.

 

[Rana]

Of course journos from both countries would want this match to happen, they make their bread and butter from Masala stories. 99% of true Pak fans have given up on this series to ever happen. I guess Indians cannot help but remind us that we should feel desperate for this game to happen and it is their petty board that will not allow it to happen

What else can I say?

 

[Rana]

Not once has BCCI said its interested in playing a bilateral series with Pakistan.

Pakistan even went to court on this issue.

Court means the ICC DRC.

I believe they went to court because they were under the impression that they had a mutual agreement of 6 bilateral series with India, on the basis of which the 2013 aane dou series took place. So there is no smoke without fire.

Soon ECB will be taking BCCI to court as well on insurance related matters. Maybe the Indian government can send a minister to the court as well?

 

[Colorblind Genius]

May be I should correct the title. It is more the Pakistani media? Every journalist or ex-Pakistani cricketer and youtuber repeats this question.
Baffling to understand why?

Bit of a controversial topic and question on this forum so expecting some heat as well. That is okay

One thing I will admit.
In Pakistan, we have THE WORST POSSIBLE sports journalist that one can ever find in the entire universe.

They have minimum to zero understanding of sports, they have absolutely no idea how is cricket played, they have zero intelligence when it comes to asking a question that has some content, I mean I can write a book about this shame that we have in the name of "sports journalists" in Pakistan. And no, Saj is an exception. And I am not hitting out at him. I am particularly pointing to the ones inside Pakistan.

I mean, most of them can't even pronounce "cricket". For them, it's KIRKET or KIRKUT.

All they look for is to pose a stupid politics based question that has some possibility of getting a controversial statement, based on which, they can spin some masala. This is all their sports journalism is about.

And mind you, many Indian journalists are in the same boat, but we do win the cake.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Saw the press conference of Ramiz Raja of 1 hour.
No less then 5 times he was asked about whether he will do any backdoor diplomacy to have a bilateral series with India.

In the same statement those journalists called India riwayati hareef(Enemy Country) and then asking for playing cricket.

Why ? As per Wasim Khan Pakistan cricket is thriving and they don't need India. So Why does this question keeps on coming back in Pakistan media.

My views on this are pretty consistent since the day I have joined the forum. So not repeating them here.

I legit would not spend one hour of my time watching a speech from the chairman PCB. I would spend even less time watching the chairman of any other board.

It's curiously strange how you manage to dedicate a whole hour of your time to a Ramiz speech yet criticise Pakistan cricket wherever you get a chance.

 

[Rana]

Its quite petty man. He got really annoyed that people mentioned there were some poor players in the league, as if it is sacred to him.

I can understand that the last few days have not been the best for BCCI and IPL, but a few days of hardship shouldn’t lead to babies throwing their toys outside of the pram. This is why the new generation of IPL Indian fans are the softest in the world

 

[cricketjoshila]

I believe they went to court because they were under the impression that they had a mutual agreement of 6 bilateral series with India, on the basis of which the 2013 aane dou series took place. So there is no smoke without fire.

Soon ECB will be taking BCCI to court as well on insurance related matters. Maybe the Indian government can send a minister to the court as well?

What did the court say on this supposed agreement?

Lets see if ECB takes BCCI to court as some of you so desperately wish.

 

[Rana]

What did the court say on this supposed agreement?

Lets see if ECB takes BCCI to court as some of you so desperately wish.

The ECB will get its way with the ICC actually. The BCCI will be the ones threatening, threatening as usual.

Did the court say that the agreement isn’t legally binding?

 

[cricketjoshila]

The ECB will get its way with the ICC actually. The BCCI will be the ones threatening, threatening as usual.

Did the court say that the agreement isn’t legally binding?

Thats your opinion. Lets see even if ECB goes to the DRC. Or if they win there.

Did PCB win the case? Or did they pay BCCI compensation?

 

[Savak]

Paisa, the BCCI owes the PCB and Pakistani players atleast $1 billion in lost revenue and the badniyat ban of Pakistani players in the IPL

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

One thing I will admit.
In Pakistan, we have THE WORST POSSIBLE sports journalist that one can ever find in the entire universe.

They have minimum to zero understanding of sports, they have absolutely no idea how is cricket played, they have zero intelligence when it comes to asking a question that has some content, I mean I can write a book about this shame that we have in the name of "sports journalists" in Pakistan. And no, Saj is an exception. And I am not hitting out at him. I am particularly pointing to the ones inside Pakistan.

I mean, most of them can't even pronounce "cricket". For them, it's KIRKET or KIRKUT.

All they look for is to pose a stupid politics based question that has some possibility of getting a controversial statement, based on which, they can spin some masala. This is all their sports journalism is about.

And mind you, many Indian journalists are in the same boat, but we do win the cake.

I agree. Even with the Indian journalist part.
But I don't see the frequency of this specific question asked repeatedly in Indian media. Ramiz had already answered this question once. Still he was asked 5 more times. Same questions were asked from Mani and Wasim Khan in their every appearance.
One Statement.. If i literally translate was


"India is our enemy country and are we working on playing bilateral series with them as it brings money ?"
This confused me and his this post and thread ? Why would you want to play cricket with an enemy country.
People like [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] as usual losing their marbles for anything related to IPL and Indian cricket.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

I legit would not spend one hour of my time watching a speech from the chairman PCB. I would spend even less time watching the chairman of any other board.

It's curiously strange how you manage to dedicate a whole hour of your time to a Ramiz speech yet criticise Pakistan cricket wherever you get a chance.

I watch lot of cricket related videos. I saw the whole press conferences of Team announcement from India/Pakistan/South Africa. I follow score cards of Spain vs Germany match as well. So not so strange for a cricket nerd like me.
With Pakistan, it is easier to follow mostly because the language, albeit some Urdu words, is more or less same.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

I don't think anyone is desperate to play anyone. Its all about $$$$. India sent B team to SL recently to bail them out recently. India is to cricket what USA is to baseball. More than 80% fans of cricket globally are Indians. As a business opportunity, off course PCB would be interested.

 

[Snowflake]

The fact that you listened to RR's speech for an hour should tell you, and everyone else, all they need know about this topic )

 

[wajid]

First your translation of riwayati hareef as enemy country is pretty hilarious. Now there are serious doubts about what you understood in that one hour of your life if your mind was translating this as “enemy country”.

Pak journalists have every right to ask this question. No one doubts that any Pak-India series will be a very prominent sporting event for Pakistan. Ban Ashes and entire world will be asking administrators day in and day out that when it will resume.

For obsession, a cursory google search on Pakistan cricket will suffice which will let one know that how many pages on Pakistan cricket are created by “riwayati hareef”.

 

[Devadwal]

BIG YES. They are so disparate to play cricket with india.

 

[Titan24]

Was asked 5 times? I also watched the complete press conference and don’t remember it being more than one, maybe 2 if I am really forgetting something. Correct me if I am wrong. It was an hour long press conference and this topic wasnt even given 3-5 minutes.

Journalist asked will your policy be same as Ehsan Mani to not initiate the ask for a bilateral to which Ramiz said yes and explained its impossible at the moment to have bilaterals.

Yet to see any active player or administrator in recent times to show any form of desperation so not sure whats the basis of the title of the thread.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

First your translation of riwayati hareef as enemy country is pretty hilarious. Now there are serious doubts about what you understood in that one hour of your life if your mind was translating this as “enemy country”.

Pak journalists have every right to ask this question. No one doubts that any Pak-India series will be a very prominent sporting event for Pakistan. Ban Ashes and entire world will be asking administrators day in and day out that when it will resume.

For obsession, a cursory google search on Pakistan cricket will suffice which will let one know that how many pages on Pakistan cricket are created by “riwayati hareef”.

https://www.urdupoint.com/dictionary/urdu-to-english/hareef-meaning-in-english/40014.html

"The Urdu Word حریف Meaning in English is Foe. The other similar words are Ghanim, Hareef, Adu, Dushman and Bud Khawah. The synonyms of Foe include are Adversary, Antagonist, Anti, Enemy, Rival and Hostile Party."

Literally means means enemy(Dushman).

https://www.urdupoint.com/dictionary/urdu-to-english/riwayati-meaning-in-english/90323.html

Urdu Word روایتی Meaning in English
The Urdu Word روایتی Meaning in English is Traditional. The other similar words are Riwayati and Qadeem.

So literally, if i go by definition it means Traditional Enemy. But I don't need to google much as I have travelled enough, within Pakistan to know what this and lot of other Urdu words mean. I can read and speak some Urdu.


You are not making any sense. This word was used by Journalists 5-6 times in the Press Conference.

 

[Snowflake]

Pakistanis are SO desperate to play India but I don't understand these folks either... Whenever Pakistan plays India, they buy 90% of the tickets but then dress up in freakin blue and pack the stadium!!! Like, wt# guys?!? We wear GREEN!!! Not blue!!! Oh wait...

 

[Titan24]

https://www.urdupoint.com/dictionary/urdu-to-english/hareef-meaning-in-english/40014.html

"The Urdu Word حریف Meaning in English is Foe. The other similar words are Ghanim, Hareef, Adu, Dushman and Bud Khawah. The synonyms of Foe include are Adversary, Antagonist, Anti, Enemy, Rival and Hostile Party."

Literally means means enemy(Dushman).

https://www.urdupoint.com/dictionary/urdu-to-english/riwayati-meaning-in-english/90323.html

Urdu Word روایتی Meaning in English
The Urdu Word روایتی Meaning in English is Traditional. The other similar words are Riwayati and Qadeem.

So literally, if i go by definition it means Traditional Enemy. But I don't need to google much as I have travelled enough, within Pakistan to know what this and lot of other Urdu words mean. I can read and speak some Urdu.


You are not making any sense. This word was used by Journalists 5-6 times in the Press Conference.

Hareef is one of those words which is used in few contexts. Here it means rival, opposition. Source for reference where it shows the meaning and different contexts which I am referring to. https://urdu.wordinn.com/hareef-in-english

Even the website you quoted shows it differently as well because as said its context varies as per application. It shows anti here (against, opposite or opposed)

https://www.urdupoint.com/dictionary/urdu-to-english/hareef-meaning-in-english/4731.html

 

[wajid]

https://www.urdupoint.com/dictionary/urdu-to-english/hareef-meaning-in-english/40014.html

"The Urdu Word حریف Meaning in English is Foe. The other similar words are Ghanim, Hareef, Adu, Dushman and Bud Khawah. The synonyms of Foe include are Adversary, Antagonist, Anti, Enemy, Rival and Hostile Party."

Literally means means enemy(Dushman).

https://www.urdupoint.com/dictionary/urdu-to-english/riwayati-meaning-in-english/90323.html

Urdu Word روایتی Meaning in English
The Urdu Word روایتی Meaning in English is Traditional. The other similar words are Riwayati and Qadeem.

So literally, if i go by definition it means Traditional Enemy. But I don't need to google much as I have travelled enough, within Pakistan to know what this and lot of other Urdu words mean. I can read and speak some Urdu.


You are not making any sense. This word was used by Journalists 5-6 times in the Press Conference.

Now even more doubts on your comprehension skills.

https://www.rekhtadictionary.com/meaning-of-hariif?lang=ur

English meaning of hariif

Adjective

audacious, impudent
clever, cunning
a contemporary, of the same area of interest
Noun, Masculine

rival, opponent, adversary antagonist, competitor, fellow worker (in one's craft or ordinary occupation), associate partner, peer, mate


Seriously if you had any inkling if Urdu you would not have translated it as enemy. Especially when it is spoken in a sports conference.

 

[PakLFC]

The media certainly gives the impression of being desperate to play India even if the PM, PCB and chairman are obviously not. The media should ask when will other top sides like Aus, Eng and NZ tour Pakistan for a proper test and one day tour. For financial reasons many of our media people do want Pak to play India as it greatly benefits their channel's and pocket's.

 

[Snowflake]

Now even more doubts on your comprehension skills.

https://www.rekhtadictionary.com/meaning-of-hariif?lang=ur

English meaning of hariif

Adjective

audacious, impudent
clever, cunning
a contemporary, of the same area of interest
Noun, Masculine

rival, opponent, adversary antagonist, competitor, fellow worker (in one's craft or ordinary occupation), associate partner, peer, mate


Seriously if you had any inkling if Urdu you would not have translated it as enemy. Especially when it is spoken in a sports conference.

Only today's Indian would translate riwayati hareef as an enemy country...even in the context of sports.

This shouldn't be surprising though. We're well aware of their mindset.

 

[sharmaji]

I don't know about Pakistan but as a cricket fan, I am desperate to watch India and Pakistan play. Not just ICC tournaments but proper test series. I never understood how politics and sports are mixed.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Now even more doubts on your comprehension skills.

https://www.rekhtadictionary.com/meaning-of-hariif?lang=ur

English meaning of hariif

Adjective

audacious, impudent
clever, cunning
a contemporary, of the same area of interest
Noun, Masculine

rival, opponent, adversary antagonist, competitor, fellow worker (in one's craft or ordinary occupation), associate partner, peer, mate


Seriously if you had any inkling if Urdu you would not have translated it as enemy. Especially when it is spoken in a sports conference.

So it means cunning rival, or masculine fellow worker or audacious peer.
Lol. I have traveled to Pakistan and I know in which context they use this word for India. No need to convince me.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

So it means cunning rival, or masculine fellow worker or audacious peer.
Lol. I have traveled to Pakistan and I know in which context they use this word for India. No need to convince me.

Riwayati Hareef could better be translated as an Arch Rival. And it’s a sports specific term.
It’s not even closely related to being an “enemy”.

So far as the lead title goes, I don’t think there is any significantly large amount of Pak population being “DESPERATE” to play with India.

PCB was schemed and deceived by BCCI when BCCI needed support in the Big 3 creation event. PCB took a big financial hit as the BCCI’s true n ugly colors were exposed yet again after Big 3 was formed n India shamelessly backed out. Are we surprised knowing the very nature of the serpent?

As to why Indian journalists doesn’t ask questions about playing with Pakistan?

There are two possible answers.
They have been instructed to do so and/or, they collectively and truly believe that Pakistan is an “enemy”, and there is no question about playing with the enemy.

With the current state of affairs in India, I think an Indian journalist will probably lose his career (if not his life), if he dares to ask this question from Jay Shah about the possibility of playing with Pakistan. Come on, who you kidding with?

They may be dumb n idiots but at least Pak journalists are at freedom to ask this question. Did you notice that?

 

[Golden arm]

One thing I will admit.
In Pakistan, we have THE WORST POSSIBLE sports journalist that one can ever find in the entire universe.

They have minimum to zero understanding of sports, they have absolutely no idea how is cricket played, they have zero intelligence when it comes to asking a question that has some content, I mean I can write a book about this shame that we have in the name of "sports journalists" in Pakistan. And no, Saj is an exception. And I am not hitting out at him. I am particularly pointing to the ones inside Pakistan.

I mean, most of them can't even pronounce "cricket". For them, it's KIRKET or KIRKUT.

All they look for is to pose a stupid politics based question that has some possibility of getting a controversial statement, based on which, they can spin some masala. This is all their sports journalism is about.

And mind you, many Indian journalists are in the same boat, but we do win the cake.

Sounds like Indian anchors in TV shows.
They are shouting on the top of their voice to get fake ratings

 

[fitCricFan]

Pakistanis are SO desperate to play India but I don't understand these folks either... Whenever Pakistan plays India, they buy 90% of the tickets but then dress up in freakin blue and pack the stadium!!! Like, wt# guys?!? We wear GREEN!!! Not blue!!! Oh wait...

Well, I watched the last Indo-Pak match in England and did see some Green, but yeah, the overwhelming majority in the stadium was the Indians. Maybe will see a larger green crowd in UAE. In England, they were a lot of excuses from posters about tickets being cornered, our expat folks wiring and not finding the time to watch in person etc. etc. This time, it's in the UAE with enough lead time to get tickets so those excuses won't count anymore

 

[Abu_Hamza]

Riwayati Hareef could better be translated as an Arch Rival. And it’s a sports specific term.
It’s not even closely related to being an “enemy”.

So far as the lead title goes, I don’t think there is any significantly large amount of Pak population being “DESPERATE” to play with India.

PCB was schemed and deceived by BCCI when BCCI needed support in the Big 3 creation event. PCB took a big financial hit as the BCCI’s true n ugly colors were exposed yet again after Big 3 was formed n India shamelessly backed out. Are we surprised knowing the very nature of the serpent?

As to why Indian journalists doesn’t ask questions about playing with Pakistan?

There are two possible answers.
They have been instructed to do so and/or, they collectively and truly believe that Pakistan is an “enemy”, and there is no question about playing with the enemy.

With the current state of affairs in India, I think an Indian journalist will probably lose his career (if not his life), if he dares to ask this question from Jay Shah about the possibility of playing with Pakistan. Come on, who you kidding with?

They may be dumb n idiots but at least Pak journalists are at freedom to ask this question. Did you notice that?

They know that India isnt playing Pakistan for obvious reasons and the stand isnt gonna change so its foolish to ask that question or may be the Indians journalists too know that India playing pakistan in billaterals isnt as exciting as it used to be in 90's or early 2000's as the gulf between the performances of the two countries has got a lot wider and India playing against Eng, Aus or NZ has become more competitive and exciting.

 

[fitCricFan]

I believe they went to court because they were under the impression that they had a mutual agreement of 6 bilateral series with India, on the basis of which the 2013 aane dou series took place. So there is no smoke without fire.

Soon ECB will be taking BCCI to court as well on insurance related matters. Maybe the Indian government can send a minister to the court as well?

What You believe is incorrect and that topic has been flogged to death on this very board. PCB was trying to get BCCI to pay on the basis of MOU and was claiming it to be a binding contract. It was correctly rejected by ICC and Najam Sethi's stupidity resulted in PCB paying BCCIs legal fee, the money that could have better served the needs of Pak cricket.

Don't know why you and a lot of folks are so eager to have ECB take BCCI to court. None of it is related to Pak cricket and whatever happens will happen in due time.

 

[fitCricFan]

Paisa, the BCCI owes the PCB and Pakistani players atleast $1 billion in lost revenue and the badniyat ban of Pakistani players in the IPL

What is stopping PCB from reclaiming those billions.Najam Sethi already tried one and Ramiz could try again.
As for the badniayti of the covert IPL ban on our players, you seem to have selective memory and are overlooking the time more than a decade ago when PCB prevented our players from playing the IPL hoping the league would fail. You can clearly contest the success of IPL with PCL since

 

[Abu_Hamza]

I can understand that the last few days have not been the best for BCCI and IPL, but a few days of hardship shouldn’t lead to babies throwing their toys outside of the pram. This is why the new generation of IPL Indian fans are the softest in the world

Has BCCI lost on revenue or IPL got cancelled ? I dont think BCCI gives a damn about it. They arent the BCCI of 80's or 90's . They just want IPL to get completed and ECB will ultimately accept BCCI's offer. They are already facing a protest from their main players regarding their participation in The Ashes. So ECB wont want to fight so many battles together at a time.

 

[Mamoon]

Paisa, the BCCI owes the PCB and Pakistani players atleast $1 billion in lost revenue and the badniyat ban of Pakistani players in the IPL

BCCI does not owe PCB a penny.

The IPL is under no legal obligation to pick Pakistani players. They reserve the right to allow/disallow anyone they want.

In addition, PCB is responsible for the banishment of Pakistani players. Had they not pulled out in 2009, Pakistani players would have played at least 3-4 additional seasons of IPL.

Pakistani players played a key role in the inaugural IPL season, and PCB thought they could derail IPL by blocking its players from participation.

However, that stunt backfired in spectacular fashion and IPL became bigger and bigger without any contribution from Pakistani players, a fact that has given us a lot of pain. IPL is now bigger than Pakistan cricket itself,

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan is desperate to play India because Pakistan is desperate to see India still think of Pakistan as it’s arch-rivals.

The fact that India has moved on from Pakistan hurts our ego.

The reality is that over the last two decades, Indian cricket has left Pakistan cricket in its dust. There is no match in terms of talent, skill and mentality.

India is now an elite team while we are viewed as a small, mediocre team. The gap is only going to widen in the future because Indian cricket will continue to rise while Pakistan cricket will continue to rot.

 

[Junaids]

It’s a weird situation.

If Pakistan and India played as often as 1977-83 and 2005-07, the PCB would be the world’s second richest cricket board because of what Indian TV would pay them for the rights.

So the BJP will never allow that.

From a cricketing point of view, we have to wait and see what rejuvenation happens now that Misbah has gone. The Indian Test team is old, and the youngsters are not particularly good, so there is a clear period of decline coming up for them. It’s been surprising how easily Pant and Siraj were dealt with for most of the summer - I expected a lot more of both of them.

 

[fitCricFan]

It’s a weird situation.

If Pakistan and India played as often as 1977-83 and 2005-07, the PCB would be the world’s second richest cricket board because of what Indian TV would pay them for the rights.

So the BJP will never allow that.

From a cricketing point of view, we have to wait and see what rejuvenation happens now that Misbah has gone. The Indian Test team is old, and the youngsters are not particularly good, so there is a clear period of decline coming up for them. It’s been surprising how easily Pant and Siraj were dealt with for most of the summer - I expected a lot more of both of them.

The diss from PCB happened 12 years ago when PCB still had some clout, BGP wasn't in the picture and IPL was in its infancy. I think that insult was a bit too much and regardless of the power to be in India, BCCI will not let our players in IPL.
A bilateral serious may happen someday under the aegis of improving relations but could be atleast a few years away

 

[Abu_Hamza]

Sir [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] with his usual no nonsense and straight forward take on this. Also BCCI is generating a lot of revenue without playing Pakistan as it has improved its cricketing performance on the field and its competing with NZ, Eng, Aus more than ever. BCCI are also doing expceptionally well off the field.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

There was a chat on game on hai in 2019, I believe Wasim, Saqlain and Akhtar were discussing about Virat Kohli. Saqlain said he met and Virat Kohli about what Pakistani players talk to him about when they meet him. Virat replied they ask me only about my Cars and Watches. Nothing about Cricket and Fitness related.

This clearly shows where things are at. And even in the show the ex-Pakistani cricketers were discussing about Indian team and how great their players at length instead of Pakistan players. This was on PTV Sports.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Paisa, the BCCI owes the PCB and Pakistani players atleast $1 billion in lost revenue and the badniyat ban of Pakistani players in the IPL

You are saying as if pakistanis and PCB has some kind of right to earn from India.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

It’s a weird situation.

If Pakistan and India played as often as 1977-83 and 2005-07, the PCB would be the world’s second richest cricket board because of what Indian TV would pay them for the rights.

So the BJP will never allow that.

From a cricketing point of view, we have to wait and see what rejuvenation happens now that Misbah has gone. The Indian Test team is old, and the youngsters are not particularly good, so there is a clear period of decline coming up for them. It’s been surprising how easily Pant and Siraj were dealt with for most of the summer - I expected a lot more of both of them.

We are still waiting for Rohail Nazir. Where is he ? Pant has won test matches till now in between.
When will we get to see the man more talented then Pant.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

You are saying as if pakistanis and PCB has some kind of right to earn from India.

lol laughable.. $1 billion.
I think PCB paid 1.2 Million USD back to India for that case, probably should add that money as well.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistanis are SO desperate to play India but I don't understand these folks either... Whenever Pakistan plays India, they buy 90% of the tickets but then dress up in freakin blue and pack the stadium!!! Like, wt# guys?!? We wear GREEN!!! Not blue!!! Oh wait...

So Indian supporters shouldn't go to a India match?

 

[Ab Fan]

It’s a weird situation.

If Pakistan and India played as often as 1977-83 and 2005-07, the PCB would be the world’s second richest cricket board because of what Indian TV would pay them for the rights.

So the BJP will never allow that.

From a cricketing point of view, we have to wait and see what rejuvenation happens now that Misbah has gone. The Indian Test team is old, and the youngsters are not particularly good, so there is a clear period of decline coming up for them. It’s been surprising how easily Pant and Siraj were dealt with for most of the summer - I expected a lot more of both of them.

The Indian Test team wouldn't be affected with age syndrome as there are enough quality young players in the team. In our last few overseas test wins, a major role was played by our youngsters :-

Rishabh Pant , Age 23
Shubhman Gill, Age 21
Washington Sundar, Age 22
Shardul Thakur, Age 29
Mohammad Siraj, Age 26
Jasprit Bumrah, Age 27
KL Rahul, Age 28
Hanuma Vihari, Age 28

Then we have some massive home bullies too like Shaw, Mayank, Axar Patel who can single handedly win matches on their own.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It’s a weird situation.

If Pakistan and India played as often as 1977-83 and 2005-07, the PCB would be the world’s second richest cricket board because of what Indian TV would pay them for the rights.

So the BJP will never allow that.

From a cricketing point of view, we have to wait and see what rejuvenation happens now that Misbah has gone. The Indian Test team is old, and the youngsters are not particularly good, so there is a clear period of decline coming up for them. It’s been surprising how easily Pant and Siraj were dealt with for most of the summer - I expected a lot more of both of them.

The richest boards in the world are talking of revenues from broadcasting in the billion dollar range. PCB isnt even close to that mark. India series or no series PCB isn't going to overtake ECB or CA.

Another of your opinions that you pass on as fact regarding Indian cricket.

Why don't you address some of your posts in the Australia tour thread?

 

[Kroll]

I’m not sure why we’d be desperate to get a walloping?

A Pakistan vs India cricket match is a mis-match these days.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Both countries fans want to play each other barring a few extremists.

Anyone who believes anything else is in denial.

 

[Thanos]

All cricket boards are desperate to play with India because of money involved. So people thinking their board or players are not interested in playing against India are simply living in denial.

However PCB knows it's not happening anytime soon. BCCI moved on 10-11 years ago and I think PCB too moved on recently after Wasim khan joined.
Haven't seen any efforts or statement in recent time from PCB management for revival which is good. Both boards should walk on their own path.

Things are where they are and not changing in near future.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Paisa, the BCCI owes the PCB and Pakistani players atleast $1 billion in lost revenue and the badniyat ban of Pakistani players in the IPL

I agree with this completely. I'm actually a bit disappointed with PCB for giving up this fight so easily. PCB should demand 1 billion dollars as compensation from BCCI and file a lawsuit claiming damages etc. Its only fair and just.

 

[Hasan123]

All teams are desperate to play India. Not just Pakistan. It's due to the revenue involved.

 

[mastimasti]

May be I should correct the title. It is more the Pakistani media? Every journalist or ex-Pakistani cricketer and youtuber repeats this question.
Baffling to understand why?

Bit of a controversial topic and question on this forum so expecting some heat as well. That is okay

You should watch our channels, we don't stop talking about Pakistan, or these days Afghanistan. Supposedly Pakistan in Afghanistan defeated the US and UK

So if you go off of the media, you already have your answer sir gee.

 

[Rana]

All teams are desperate to play India. Not just Pakistan. It's due to the revenue involved.

Oh yes. How do the fans get a piece of that revenue?

 

[Pakhs]

I dont think anyone is desperate specially not Pakistan. Actually everyday I see new statement from the current government against India.

I think journalist questions are consistent with Pakistan long term standing that sports should not be mixed with politics. But everyone knows this is not possibles when amateurs are involved which is subcontinent.

 

[sweep_shot]

The intense rivalry between Pakistan and India no longer exists.

Cricket has become very objective. Even Ashes series doesn't have the same heat as before.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

There was a chat on game on hai in 2019, I believe Wasim, Saqlain and Akhtar were discussing about Virat Kohli. Saqlain said he met and Virat Kohli about what Pakistani players talk to him about when they meet him. Virat replied they ask me only about my Cars and Watches. Nothing about Cricket and Fitness related.

This clearly shows where things are at. And even in the show the ex-Pakistani cricketers were discussing about Indian team and how great their players at length instead of Pakistan players. This was on PTV Sports.

derailing your own thread?


Whether India team is better than Pakistan is NOT the discussion here, is it?

But if that's what pleases you then yes, in TEST, Indian team is currently better.
They also have an edge in ODI.
T20 is 50/50.

But then again, that's NOT the discussion here.

You talked about "desperation" of Pakistan playing with India, remember?

There is an ICC game coming up on Oct 17th in UAE.

Let's see how many Indians watch this game, what are the viewership numbers, how many watching it live in India and how many Indians come to the stadium to watch this game.

By your assessment, there should hardly be any interest from the Indian side to follow this game when we compare the vehemence between the two camps.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I think its more the media. Begging India to play a series (when that was never going to happen) was almost exclusively Najam Sethi's domain. And what was even worse was that his incompetence ended up costing the PCB millions when he took a case (that we were obviously going to lose) to court.

Thankfully, since then PCB has finally gotten the signal and have stopped bringing up this moot point.

 

[IMMY69]

To the thread starter.

I think 99pct of Indians and Pakistani's would like to see their teams go head to head in a bi lateral series. Furthermore, it would generate interest from other cricket playing nations.

There is no desperation around. Its a game of cricket played by very few countries and with the added spice of course people would want to see it happen.

 

[UzmanBeast]

May be I should correct the title. It is more the Pakistani media? Every journalist or ex-Pakistani cricketer and youtuber repeats this question.
Baffling to understand why?

Bit of a controversial topic and question on this forum so expecting some heat as well. That is okay

Some journalists lack common sense, and have no cricketing IQ. They are there to start drama and ask meaningless questions that serve no purpose.

That being said, there is a lot of money to be gained by the promotion of the Pak vs. Ind game in the T20 WC.

 

[Itachi]

Pakistan is desperate to play with any country which brings money.

India just happens to be the biggest of them all.

 

[UzmanBeast]

There was a chat on game on hai in 2019, I believe Wasim, Saqlain and Akhtar were discussing about Virat Kohli. Saqlain said he met and Virat Kohli about what Pakistani players talk to him about when they meet him. Virat replied they ask me only about my Cars and Watches. Nothing about Cricket and Fitness related.

This clearly shows where things are at. And even in the show the ex-Pakistani cricketers were discussing about Indian team and how great their players at length instead of Pakistan players. This was on PTV Sports.

Interesting.

Pakistani players, in front of the world's greatest batsman (who was willing to answer their questions), asked the most trivial things.

Well reflected in our journalism through select journalist's questions.

Was this before or after the World Cup? If it were after, I think they might have been discussing how lazy our cricketers are, making comparisons, and more.

If they talked about bilateral more, then you could argue that they were desperate, but making comparisons doesn't really mean anything.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Pakistan is desperate to play with any country which brings money.

India just happens to be the biggest of them all.

Everyone is, even ICC.

They purposely put an India Pakistan group game because no doubt it's the biggest monkey maker. It will probably fetch more money than the Final itself if India is not playing the finals.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

What's wrong if they are or any Indian is getting desperate for Ind vs Pak matches? Any real cricket fan would love to watch an India vs Pakistan match especially those who have experienced watching these matches.

Some of my fellow Indian fans try too hard to show that they don't care about these matches with Pakistan and they treat it as any other match but these guys are the first ones to run away when the result doesn't go their way. Reminds me of those fans who left the stadium during the Champions Trophy final. Most of our fans don't take losses sportingly.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pakistan is desperate to play with any country which brings money.

India just happens to be the biggest of them all.

BCCI keeps playing series against England and Australia every two year but it is Pakistan who is desperate for money. I think you are forgetting that they were hosting their home series in front of empty chairs in UAE for many years. No one can survive like that in World Cricket but they did and they did without playing against India too. As an Indian I would love to see matches between these two teams. You can call it desperation for all I care.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

You should watch our channels, we don't stop talking about Pakistan, or these days Afghanistan. Supposedly Pakistan in Afghanistan defeated the US and UK

So if you go off of the media, you already have your answer sir gee.

I second that. Just check their youtube channels. They are full of news related to Pakistan and Afghanistan lol.

 

[Itachi]

BCCI keeps playing series against England and Australia every two year but it is Pakistan who is desperate for money. I think you are forgetting that they were hosting their home series in front of empty chairs in UAE for many years. No one can survive like that in World Cricket but they did and they did without playing against India too. As an Indian I would love to see matches between these two teams. You can call it desperation for all I care.

India is milking the market.

Pakistan is desperate.

Two different factors.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

What's wrong if they are or any Indian is getting desperate for Ind vs Pak matches? Any real cricket fan would love to watch an India vs Pakistan match especially those who have experienced watching these matches.

Some of my fellow Indian fans try too hard to show that they don't care about these matches with Pakistan and they treat it as any other match but these guys are the first ones to run away when the result doesn't go their way. Reminds me of those fans who left the stadium during the Champions Trophy final. Most of our fans don't take losses sportingly.

I agree and I am not going to smear the entire canvas with one brush stroke, but it takes bravery and courage to take the hit.
Many Indians and quite a of Pak fans don't have that courage.

I remember the days when some folks in the Indian crowds would put their underwear and Dhoties on fire, and hang it high on a stick, when an inevitable loss to India was in the making.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

India is milking the market.

Pakistan is desperate.

Two different factors.

Funny that you are calling Pakistan desperate when India was also in the same boat few decades ago. We also wanted to play against big boys of World Cricket at that time. IPL revolves around desperation for more and more money.

 

[Rana]

What's wrong if they are or any Indian is getting desperate for Ind vs Pak matches? Any real cricket fan would love to watch an India vs Pakistan match especially those who have experienced watching these matches.

Some of my fellow Indian fans try too hard to show that they don't care about these matches with Pakistan and they treat it as any other match but these guys are the first ones to run away when the result doesn't go their way. Reminds me of those fans who left the stadium during the Champions Trophy final. Most of our fans don't take losses sportingly.

According to Hoshiarpur Express, Pakistani fans should not be desperate to watch cricket against its Riwayti Hareef


Maybe we should be desperate to play Australia just like Indians are?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

According to Hoshiarpur Express, Pakistani fans should not be desperate to watch cricket against its Riwayti Hareef


Maybe we should be desperate to play Australia just like Indians are?

We are not desperate to play against Aus/Eng. We are just milking the market.

 

[unemployedgm]

There are very few relevant teams today in International Cricket across all formats. If those relevant teams don't play each other than what should we make of International Cricket. It benefits Cricket as a Sport when Pakistan and India play. Absent of those matches the International Calendar is reduced to India vs Australia, India vs England, and England vs Australia. There was a time not long ago that series between South Africa and one these nations meant something. There decline makes them less viable as a marketable international team. Sans the T20 World Cup where West Indies best players participate, they are also not marketable. In all of this the biggest loser is Cricket.

I applaud the tact taken by the Pakistan Cricket Board vis a vis India. There is no reason for Pakistan to actively pursue cricket with India. Where we applaud the BCCI on improving Indian Cricket, we have to condemn them for diminishing International Cricket and reducing it to a few relevant competitions. The reason isn't so much the BCCI, but abject weakness in the face of the Indian Government.

The hypocrisy in all of this is the role or tacit role of the BCCI, the Indian Players, Sponsors, Broadcasters, and the ICC. Why is it that every two years when its time for an ICC Event, Pakistan and India always face off in the group stage? If in fact Pakistan is persona non-grata than surely the BCCI, Indian Players, Sponsors, and Star Sports has the power put India in a different group. They never exercise that power. Why? Because Star Sports has to justify the money they are paying to the ICC and they need to recuperate that money from advertisers. I think it's safe to say that India vs Pakistan generates a lot of free cash flow for Star while generating interest in ICC Events.

The story of India and Pakistan Cricket is simply a story about hypocrisy from one side. It is also a story of an entire society taken hostage by a culture of grotesque misinformation. To expect any dissent in such a society would require a degree of unmerited optimism.

 

[unemployedgm]

One more thing, if the BCCI's goal was to isolate Pakistan, they have failed. Although nowhere near where it should be and can be, in the intervening years the PCB has fought against the tide to not only create the PSL but begin the process of bringing international cricket back to Pakistan. Contrary to popular opinion this existing Board has done certainly a few things that will benefit the long-term growth of Pakistan and Pakistan Cricket. If nothing, Pakistan is a resilient in the face of not only foreign pressure but internal conspirators. In that respect I am optimistic about the future.

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Saw the press conference of Ramiz Raja of 1 hour.
No less then 5 times he was asked about whether he will do any backdoor diplomacy to have a bilateral series with India.

In the same statement those journalists called India riwayati hareef(Enemy Country) and then asking for playing cricket.

Why ? As per Wasim Khan Pakistan cricket is thriving and they don't need India. So Why does this question keeps on coming back in Pakistan media.

My views on this are pretty consistent since the day I have joined the forum. So not repeating them here.

Wasim Khan may state PCB policy but journalists are free to ask questions. So you can't tell Journalists or media not to ask a question.

As for desperation, Pakistan is desperate for more Tests in Particular and more quality cricket in general. The term riwayati hareef literally means "traditional rival" and not enemy country (Enemy country is dushman mulk). Traditional rival is not even a negative word (traditional rivalary is what Australia and England have )

 

[Savak]

One more thing, if the BCCI's goal was to isolate Pakistan, they have failed. Although nowhere near where it should be and can be, in the intervening years the PCB has fought against the tide to not only create the PSL but begin the process of bringing international cricket back to Pakistan. Contrary to popular opinion this existing Board has done certainly a few things that will benefit the long-term growth of Pakistan and Pakistan Cricket. If nothing, Pakistan is a resilient in the face of not only foreign pressure but internal conspirators. In that respect I am optimistic about the future.

To be at No 4 in the ICC revenue table after India, Australia, England is no small feat especially when you have not played any international cricket at home for 10 plus years and have not properly hosted Australia in Pakistan for 24 years and have been plagued with terrorism, extremism for the last 20 years.

 

[ahmedzee]

To add to this thread.

Gambhir already has made his Indian 11 that should play agianst Pakistan in the world t20
https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...o-place-for-star-spinner-101631698420096.html

Sehwag is saying that he will be getting goosebumps.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...stan-virender-sehwag/articleshow/85887202.cms

Its clear that your players are more desperate, yet if a journalist ask the new chairman his stance that shows the desperation of Pakistanis... nice logic.

Can't believe I am in agreement with [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] here ... how things change.
I feel the same way, it seems like india is more desperate to play cricket against Pakistan than other way around.

 

[unemployedgm]

To be at No 4 in the ICC revenue table after India, Australia, England is no small feat especially when you have not played any international cricket at home for 10 plus years and have not properly hosted Australia in Pakistan for 24 years and have been plagued with terrorism, extremism for the last 20 years.

Pakistan has only touched the surface of the revenue it is capable of generating. It took two decades for a Cricket Board to pay any attention to a revenue stream like merchandising.

Side Note: PCB has entered into a few really good partnerships of late.