Are you in favour of women wearing Hijab in public?

[MenInG]

Seems that there is a rising trend for Muslim women to wear Hijab in public not only in Pakistan but elsewhere in the world too.

I am sure there are religious arguments to be made so this could be an interesting thread but as putting religion aside - do you feel Hijab in certain parts of the world makes women safer?

 

[AdamM97]

Why not? I get why people in the west are against Burkas and Niqabs because of security, but Hijab doesn’t really pose a threat, even Europeans and Americans would agree upon that.

 

[RameezRambo_Fan]

Hijab is dumb as is niqab. Ban them both.

 

[sweep_shot]

As a Muslim, I fully support our women using Hijab. They are supposed to cover their hairs anyway.

Women sometimes get assaulted because they don't cover themselves well. If they dress properly, they can reduce it.

 

[MenInG]

Hijab is dumb as is niqab. Ban them both.

That's not an argument. Try and put some thought in your posts.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I dont feel its my business to question what women wear. They can wear what they like.

 

[JaDed]

Should be upto women, in this day and age telling em what to wear shouldn't be upto men.

If i had a daughter , I wouldn’t have an issue if she chose to wear it but forcing it on her as a kid in hot weather I wouldn’t be ok to see her troubled, probably same feeling for winter as well.

 

[RameezRambo_Fan]

That's not an argument. Try and put some thought in your posts.

It is an argument. These are dumb things to wear. Ban them.

 

[ElRaja]

should be an option for don't care.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It is an argument. These are dumb things to wear. Ban them.

Women have covered their heads in most cultures throughout time. Surely they should decide?

 

[RameezRambo_Fan]

Women have covered their heads in most cultures throughout time. Surely they should decide?

Tell me what good is covering your hair doing?

Do you know why Arab women used to do that? Because of sand...the niqab and hijab protected them from frequent sand storms which would wip up and get caught up in there long hair and dresses.

This is why they wore them...I'm talking about pagan Arabs, not Muslim ones who adopted it.

People think niqab and hijab are religious garments. They're not. It's not even me mentioned in tbe Quran once.

As for British women? So what? Society or religion didn't force them. It was just a fashion statement during the late Victorian era.

 

[sweep_shot]

A lot of women dress and behave inappropriately and then complain when they get assaulted/harassed.

Men have a natural weakness for women and women should be responsible with their clothing choices and behaviors.

 

[AdamM97]

Tell me what good is covering your hair doing?

Do you know why Arab women used to do that? Because of sand...the niqab and hijab protected them from frequent sand storms which would wip up and get caught up in there long hair and dresses.

This is why they wore them...I'm talking about pagan Arabs, not Muslim ones who adopted it.

People think niqab and hijab are religious garments. They're not. It's not even me mentioned in tbe Quran once.

As for British women? So what? Society or religion didn't force them. It was just a fashion statement during the late Victorian era.

Actually the Hijab originated in Mesopotamia, Anatolia and Iran, most women of the elite class used to wear it. Hijab wasn’t an exlusively Arab thing before the advent of Islam. But that’s irrelevant.

So what if it’s not mentioned in the Quran? As always, a woman should be free to choose her own clothing. She wants to wear it? Fine. She doesn’t want to wear it? Fine.

 

[JaDed]

A lot of women dress and behave inappropriately and then complain when they get assaulted/harassed.

Men have a natural weakness for women and women should be responsible with their clothing choices and behaviors.

Took it to another level, lol.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Tell me what good is covering your hair doing?

Do you know why Arab women used to do that? Because of sand...the niqab and hijab protected them from frequent sand storms which would wip up and get caught up in there long hair and dresses.

This is why they wore them...I'm talking about pagan Arabs, not Muslim ones who adopted it.

People think niqab and hijab are religious garments. They're not. It's not even me mentioned in tbe Quran once.

As for British women? So what? Society or religion didn't force them. It was just a fashion statement during the late Victorian era.

The forcing argument is weak, because here in the UK thousands of women convert from liberal households and decide to cover their head. There could be all sorts of reasons for someone to cover their head, religion, weather, fashion etc. It really is up to them, unless you want to only stop religous women from covering but are ok with the Queen.

 

[RameezRambo_Fan]

Actually the Hijab originated in Mesopotamia, Anatolia and Iran, most women of the elite class used to wear it. Hijab wasn’t an exlusively Arab thing before the advent of Islam. But that’s irrelevant.

So what if it’s not mentioned in the Quran? As always, a woman should be free to choose her own clothing. She wants to wear it? Fine. She doesn’t want to wear it? Fine.

Women should have that choice when they are given 100% full information. So many women in Pakistan think wearing niqab will get them into heaven. Seriously?

 

[RameezRambo_Fan]

The forcing argument is weak, because here in the UK thousands of women convert from liberal households and decide to cover their head. There could be all sorts of reasons for someone to cover their head, religion, weather, fashion etc. It really is up to them, unless you want to only stop religous women from covering but are ok with the Queen.

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Queen doesn't think she'll be viewed as a **** if she doesn't wear one. Please stop kidding yourself into thinking the Muslim world is tolerant.

 

[AdamM97]

Women should have that choice when they are given 100% full information. So many women in Pakistan think wearing niqab will get them into heaven. Seriously?

Maybe because they equate it with modesty which is a virtue in Islam.

 

[UP]

Hijab is fine. Strictly against Niqab. Seems as people walking like Ninjas on streets. That dress is horrible and so out of the modern West.

Its like wearing a bikini in a beach of Karachi.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Queen doesn't think she'll be viewed as a **** if she doesn't wear one. Please stop kidding yourself into thinking the Muslim world is tolerant.

Most Muslim females around the world do not wear the hijab or cover their hair.

 

[HussainRx8]

To each her own.

 

[PakLFC]

I generally find the hijab to be unnecessary, unattractive and an extension of Arabism that is taking over all other indigenous Muslim cultures. Back in the old days before this onslaught of Arabism came about most Pakistani ladies would dress in traditional Pakistani attire feeling very safe. Now they are all wearing abaya's, niqab's and hijab's for goodness sake in their attempts to be like Arab's that to them means being better Muslim's. If a hijab makes her safer then so does a dupatta, a hijab in today's Islamophobic world also makes her open to discrimination as well. I always support the law of the country that in this case allows it to be worn. No spouse of mines will be wearing it though.

 

[troodon]

Hijab/Veiling is not just an Arab thing. It is Sunnah and Prophet Muhammed ordered his wives and hence the believing women to cover themselves up when they are in Public. See the Hadith below. Any Muslim women who is wearing Burqa is only following Prophet's orders.

Volume 1, Book 4, Number 148 :
Narrated by 'Aisha
The wives of the Prophet used to go to Al-Manasi, a vast open place (near Baqia at Medina) to answer the call of nature at night. 'Umar used to say to the Prophet "Let your wives be veiled," but Allah's Apostle did not do so. One night Sauda bint Zam'a the wife of the Prophet went out at 'Isha' time and she was a tall lady. 'Umar addressed her and said, "I have recognized you, O Sauda." He said so, as he desired eagerly that the verses of Al-hijab (the observing of veils by the Muslim women) may be revealed. So Allah revealed the verses of "Al-hijab" (A complete body cover excluding the eyes).

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Seems that there is a rising trend for Muslim women to wear Hijab in public not only in Pakistan but elsewhere in the world too.

I am sure there are religious arguments to be made so this could be an interesting thread but as putting religion aside - do you feel Hijab in certain parts of the world makes women safer?

I don't know about other parts of the world but in the UK it probably makes them a target for xenophobes so no I don't think it makes them safer. Not here at least.

 

[sweep_shot]

Some people have this misconception that hijab represents oppression. It is not!

Hijab is simply to guard a woman's honor. It distinguishes between degeneracy and dignity.

Also, nothing wrong with trying to follow Arab culture. Our prophet (PBUH) was an Arab and it is sunnah to follow his preferred methods. I personally prefer simple Arab culture over dramatic Bengali culture anyway.

 

[WC-Passion]

Why wouldn't you be in favour of a Hijab? Last time I checked, it covers your hair... and that's about it. Let women wear it. Some people think it's their choice what women wear and I pity them for being so backwards.

 

[troodon]

Some people have this misconception that hijab represents oppression. It is not!

Hijab is simply to guard a woman's honor. It distinguishes between degeneracy and dignity.

Also, nothing wrong with trying to follow Arab culture. Our prophet (PBUH) was an Arab and it is sunnah to follow his preferred methods. I personally prefer simple Arab culture over dramatic Bengali culture anyway.

It is not about following Arab culture. Prophet Muhammed ordered all his wives to be covered from heard to toe. If you are a believing women, then they have to cover.

 

[Robert]

The forcing argument is weak, because here in the UK thousands of women convert from liberal households and decide to cover their head. There could be all sorts of reasons for someone to cover their head, religion, weather, fashion etc. It really is up to them, unless you want to only stop religous women from covering but are ok with the Queen.

My grandmother wore a headscarf. They were popular with ladies of her generation to stop their hair getting blown about.

As long as women show their face I am fine with it.

 

[PakLFC]

Hijab/Veiling is not just an Arab thing. It is Sunnah and Prophet Muhammed ordered his wives and hence the believing women to cover themselves up when they are in Public. See the Hadith below. Any Muslim women who is wearing Burqa is only following Prophet's orders.

Volume 1, Book 4, Number 148 :
Narrated by 'Aisha
The wives of the Prophet used to go to Al-Manasi, a vast open place (near Baqia at Medina) to answer the call of nature at night. 'Umar used to say to the Prophet "Let your wives be veiled," but Allah's Apostle did not do so. One night Sauda bint Zam'a the wife of the Prophet went out at 'Isha' time and she was a tall lady. 'Umar addressed her and said, "I have recognized you, O Sauda." He said so, as he desired eagerly that the verses of Al-hijab (the observing of veils by the Muslim women) may be revealed. So Allah revealed the verses of "Al-hijab" (A complete body cover excluding the eyes).

Never mind the Hadith's for now when most Muslim's don't even follow the Qur'an. Even in pre-Islamic Arabia ladies wore hijab like things. I am all for modest dressing and against see through clothes and mini skirts as well. Most important thing is a lady covering her modesty.

 

[troodon]

Never mind the Hadith's for now when most Muslim's don't even follow the Qur'an. Even in pre-Islamic Arabia ladies wore hijab like things. I am all for modest dressing and against see through clothes and mini skirts as well. Most important thing is a lady covering her modesty.

My post is for posters who were saying that it is just an Arab thing etc.

 

[PetroDollars]

theres two problems with it.

1. most girls are forced to wear it from a young age by there parents

2. i have a problem with women who use the relious excuse for wearing it. No honey, there is nothing in islam or quran about niqaabs or hijabs, other than some weak hadiths.

 

[troodon]

theres two problems with it.

1. most girls are forced to wear it from a young age by there parents

2. i have a problem with women who use the relious excuse for wearing it. No honey, there is nothing in islam or quran about niqaabs or hijabs, other than some weak hadiths.

Not weak hadiths. They are Sahi.

 

[Pakistanian]

Hijab/Veiling is not just an Arab thing. It is Sunnah and Prophet Muhammed ordered his wives and hence the believing women to cover themselves up when they are in Public. See the Hadith below. Any Muslim women who is wearing Burqa is only following Prophet's orders.

Volume 1, Book 4, Number 148 :
Narrated by 'Aisha
The wives of the Prophet used to go to Al-Manasi, a vast open place (near Baqia at Medina) to answer the call of nature at night. 'Umar used to say to the Prophet "Let your wives be veiled," but Allah's Apostle did not do so. One night Sauda bint Zam'a the wife of the Prophet went out at 'Isha' time and she was a tall lady. 'Umar addressed her and said, "I have recognized you, O Sauda." He said so, as he desired eagerly that the verses of Al-hijab (the observing of veils by the Muslim women) may be revealed. So Allah revealed the verses of "Al-hijab" (A complete body cover excluding the eyes).

I have noticed a trend among Indians (non-muslim ones) to act like experts on Islam by quoting scriptures (thanks to google) they've barely read neither have they studied Islamic theology. Most schools of thoughts in Islam and shayks believe women are not required to cover their face - veiling and hijab are two different things. Even if you for the sake of argument we agree that the hadiths you quoted are correct that doesn't become the law because Muslims have never agreed on one fiqh, one school of thought or one sect of Islam. Islam is not a monolith, there are many different branches and sects within Islam, there are multiple scholarly interpretations within the Muslim world. I'd recommend you and some of our Hindu friends that barely know Islam to do what we Muslims do with regards to Hinduism - just stick to what you know best and not try to act like an expert on our faith.

 

[Pakistanian]

Lool @ non-muslims telling us about their one interpretation of Islam, telling us what's "sahih" and what's not Like bruh, just stay in your lane and stop acting like an expert when there are people with PhDs in Islamic theology that have not agree to just one way to practice Islam. You're not one of us and don't get a vote this issue. You don't see us commentating on Hinduism, just follow the American way and mind your business.

 

[KingKhanWC]

My grandmother wore a headscarf. They were popular with ladies of her generation to stop their hair getting blown about.

As long as women show their face I am fine with it.

It has only become an issue due to the rise of Islamaphobia. A lot of people esp westerners have been brainwashed into thinking women are forced to wear them, some may be as women are forced to do many things but men in all cultures but most wear it by choice. Whatever their reasoning is , it's their reasoning even though my personal view is modesty if firstly and mostly regarding ones character.

I dont care what women wear, I am not forced to interact with anyone and it doesn't offend me seeing anyone covered from head to toe or dressed with little clothes. As men we are not forced to look either.

 

[troodon]

When given proof by posting the Hadith, some posters saying that Hindus should stick to Hinduism, non-muslims teaching Muslims bla bla bla...

If you are a Sunni, you have to believe Sahi Bukhari. They are all authentic Sahih Hadiths.

In this day of internet, you cannot hide anything in religion. Its open for the public to see.

 

[troodon]

Lool @ non-muslims telling us about their one interpretation of Islam, telling us what's "sahih" and what's not Like bruh, just stay in your lane and stop acting like an expert when there are people with PhDs in Islamic theology that have not agree to just one way to practice Islam. You're not one of us and don't get a vote this issue. You don't see us commentating on Hinduism, just follow the American way and mind your business.

So nobody understands the perfect book revealed by perfect God.

In the Hadith I posted, what is there to get confused?

 

[KingKhanWC]

When given proof by posting the Hadith, some posters saying that Hindus should stick to Hinduism, non-muslims teaching Muslims bla bla bla...

If you are a Sunni, you have to believe Sahi Bukhari. They are all authentic Sahih Hadiths.

In this day of internet, you cannot hide anything in religion. Its open for the public to see.

Pakistanian is right and I have also told you previously, you know nothing. There is a methodology which needs to be followed before assuming what any position is in Islam esp regarding hadiths. Do you know what this is? Tip. reading from terrible wesbites wont help you.

 

[Shah]

It is ok for a woman to wear it but if she does then she is advertising that she is a Muslim and in a way she is an ambassador for Islam and so should take extra care to project a positive image of a good Muslim, i.e. be honest, kind, respectful, follow the rules of the land, etc. I have seen so many instances where ladies wearing hijabs park illegally, break driving rules, be rude and obnoxious, torment their husbands, kids, relatives, in-laws, etc.

 

[troodon]

Pakistanian is right and I have also told you previously, you know nothing. There is a methodology which needs to be followed before assuming what any position is in Islam esp regarding hadiths. Do you know what this is? Tip. reading from terrible wesbites wont help you.

Sahih Hadiths are Sahih for a reason. They satisfy the chain of narrations and hence they were accepted.

So www.sahih-bukhari.com is a terrible website?

When shown proof, believers hide behind mumbo-jumbo and interpretations etc. Are you saying nobody understands the perfect book given by God Almighty?

 

[Pakistanian]

So nobody understands the perfect book revealed by perfect God.

In the Hadith I posted, what is there to get confused?

The beauty of Islam is that it has many diverse schools of thoughts (fiqhs) and interpretation. There's a reason why we have many different sects and denominations. You're coming off as an uneducated person that likes to mock stuff they don't have the aptitude to understand.

 

[Pakistanian]

Sahih Hadiths are Sahih for a reason. They satisfy the chain of narrations and hence they were accepted.

So www.sahih-bukhari.com is a terrible website?

When shown proof, believers hide behind mumbo-jumbo and interpretations etc. Are you saying nobody understands the perfect book given by God Almighty?

You keep demonstrating your ignorance and lack of intelligence. Most Muslims follow a school of thought, within Sunni Islam there are 4 major schools, each interprets the hadiths differently and that the forms the basis of their fiqh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhhab

^ That's just for sunnis, there are also Shias and many other sects that have there own school of thoughts, laws, theology etc.

 

[Pakpak]

As long as its their choice everyone should be free to wear what they want.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Lool @ non-muslims telling us about their one interpretation of Islam, telling us what's "sahih" and what's not Like bruh, just stay in your lane and stop acting like an expert when there are people with PhDs in Islamic theology that have not agree to just one way to practice Islam. You're not one of us and don't get a vote this issue. You don't see us commentating on Hinduism, just follow the American way and mind your business.

I would love to comment on Hinduism, but I don't really know what it is, and neither do most Hindus from what I see here. You ask them a question they just say it's too vast to be pigeonholed so it is everything basically. Which means I could well be a Hindu, now I just need to know where to get the badge.

 

[Pakistanian]

I would love to comment on Hinduism, but I don't really know what it is, and neither do most Hindus from what I see here. You ask them a question they just say it's too vast to be pigeonholed so it is everything basically. Which means I could well be a Hindu, now I just need to know where to get the badge.

I know lol They have like 30000 Gods and like a million traditions and rules. Many Indians say every village has their own God and set of edicts they follow, nobody knows what it really is

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I know lol They have like 30000 Gods and like a million traditions and rules. Many Indians say every village has their own God and set of edicts they follow, nobody knows what it really is

The cool thing is, as a Hindu I can recommend that wearing a hijab is actually a very good thing to do for women. How can it not be? In fact so is the burka, although if anyone disagrees from a Hindu point of view, I would certainly be open to hear the reasoning.

 

[sweep_shot]

Sahih Hadiths are Sahih for a reason. They satisfy the chain of narrations and hence they were accepted.

So www.sahih-bukhari.com is a terrible website?

When shown proof, believers hide behind mumbo-jumbo and interpretations etc. Are you saying nobody understands the perfect book given by God Almighty?

Sahih Bukhari is not from God. Only Quran is from God. Hadith is important in Islam but there are many weak/inaccurate hadiths.

Also, random internet sites can't be trusted 100%. These are not official sites and people may add things inaccurately.

Please don't comment on something that you don't fully understand well.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Sahih Hadiths are Sahih for a reason. They satisfy the chain of narrations and hence they were accepted.

So www.sahih-bukhari.com is a terrible website?

When shown proof, believers hide behind mumbo-jumbo and interpretations etc. Are you saying nobody understands the perfect book given by God Almighty?

Youre having trouble reading. I asked you what is the mehodology and you have no clue because you havent studied Islam and only read from hate sites.

Do we take sahih hadiths if they contradict the Quran? Yes or no?

 

[JaDed]

Lool @ non-muslims telling us about their one interpretation of Islam, telling us what's "sahih" and what's not Like bruh, just stay in your lane and stop acting like an expert when there are people with PhDs in Islamic theology that have not agree to just one way to practice Islam. You're not one of us and don't get a vote this issue. You don't see us commentating on Hinduism, just follow the American way and mind your business.

You should zip it, you can’t even distinguish between halal Nd non halal.

 

[Pakistanian]

You should zip it, you can’t even distinguish between halal Nd non halal.

Says the non muslim? You don't even know me so don't go around issuing fatwas. And lol @ "Caan't ewen distinguish halal nd haram" bruh you're not Muslim and neither do you understand the issues being discussed in the American Muslim community. So ****.

 

[RameezRambo_Fan]

Hijab/Veiling is not just an Arab thing. It is Sunnah and Prophet Muhammed ordered his wives and hence the believing women to cover themselves up when they are in Public. See the Hadith below. Any Muslim women who is wearing Burqa is only following Prophet's orders.

I don't care what he ordered back then. This is 2019.

Volume 1, Book 4, Number 148 :
Narrated by 'Aisha
The wives of the Prophet used to go to Al-Manasi, a vast open place (near Baqia at Medina) to answer the call of nature at night. 'Umar used to say to the Prophet "Let your wives be veiled," but Allah's Apostle did not do so. One night Sauda bint Zam'a the wife of the Prophet went out at 'Isha' time and she was a tall lady. 'Umar addressed her and said, "I have recognized you, O Sauda." He said so, as he desired eagerly that the verses of Al-hijab (the observing of veils by the Muslim women) may be revealed. So Allah revealed the verses of "Al-hijab" (A complete body cover excluding the eyes).

a. Provide a quote
b. This is not the Quran

 

[JaDed]

Says the non muslim? You don't even know me so don't go around issuing fatwas. And lol @ "Caan't ewen distinguish halal nd haram" bruh you're not Muslim and neither do you understand the issues being discussed in the American Muslim community. So ****.

I can tell you what is halal meat unlike you who thinks chick fil A serves halal meat, it has straight forward definition, my judgement is towards you not towards the concept of halal meat.

Zabiha Halal meat is a straight forward concept, its not an issue facing American Muslims except illiteracy or hypocrisy, choose as you wish.

 

[Pakistanian]

I can tell you what is halal meat unlike you who thinks chick fil A serves halal meat, it has straight forward definition, my judgement is towards you not towards the concept of halal meat.

Zabiha Halal meat is a straight forward concept, its not an issue facing American Muslims except illiteracy or hypocrisy, choose as you wish.

Once again. You are not a Muslim nor are you American-raised so do not know of the various debates and differences in opinion that exist within the American Muslim community. Do I think chick fil a serves halal meat? No I do not, nor have I ever claimed but I do eat and so many Muslims here that I know of and to some it is halal because of the Zabiha vs Non-Zabiha debate in our communities.

What's hilarious is that you and your buddy troodon are not Muslims but try hard to tag along and pass judgement on Muslim and issues that are only related to them and of no concern to you guys. You guys act like Islam is some monolith and only you Indian-raised Hindus know what the real islam is.

I don't even want engage any debate about Islamic fiqh with a non-believer anyways. Btw if I'm "illeterate" (you don't know what that word means anyways) and a "hypocrite" cause of eating non-zabiha then I guess so are the majority of Arab and African muslims in America but then again you aren't from here, you're neither muslim so you aren't aware of the different practices in the community and I don't want to further engage with an idiot like you.

 

[in_cutter]

Hijab is dumb as is niqab. Ban them both.

Why is it dumb?

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

My opinion doesn't mean jack . It should be the women's choice. I'd love it of my wife were wearing a hijab out of her personal conviction but I won't be too bothered if she wern't.

 

[PakLFC]

My post is for posters who were saying that it is just an Arab thing etc.

I am one off them who believe that hijab is Arab attire.

 

[DeadBall]

So nobody understands the perfect book revealed by perfect God.

This, basically.

 

[RameezRambo_Fan]

Why is it dumb?

Here's a perfect example why. This is the ideology why which 99% of Muslim women wear it.

 

[JaDed]

Once again. You are not a Muslim nor are you American-raised so do not know of the various debates and differences in opinion that exist within the American Muslim community. Do I think chick fil a serves halal meat? No I do not, nor have I ever claimed but I do eat and so many Muslims here that I know of and to some it is halal because of the Zabiha vs Non-Zabiha debate in our communities.

What's hilarious is that you and your buddy troodon are not Muslims but try hard to tag along and pass judgement on Muslim and issues that are only related to them and of no concern to you guys. You guys act like Islam is some monolith and only you Indian-raised Hindus know what the real islam is.

I don't even want engage any debate about Islamic fiqh with a non-believer anyways. Btw if I'm "illeterate" (you don't know what that word means anyways) and a "hypocrite" cause of eating non-zabiha then I guess so are the majority of Arab and African muslims in America but then again you aren't from here, you're neither muslim so you aren't aware of the different practices in the community and I don't want to further engage with an idiot like you.

This is the thing, what halal meat is not a debate if you want to make your definition of it go ahead but don't argue on what is halal meat.

The definition of halal will not change based on geography because its absolutely clear what it is, its not a debate once again.

My point is on your definition of Halal, I'm not Muslim I'm not judging the religion not judging posters as a whole, I'm judging your twisting of the word to your convenience based on your geography like its an 'argument'.

 

[sweep_shot]

This, basically.

Sahih Bukhari is not considered as book of God. It is a collection of customs/sayings of prophet Muhammed (PBUH).

 

[DeadBall]

Here's a perfect example why. This is the ideology why which 99% of Muslim women wear it.

View attachment 93650View attachment 93651

So that they don't get flies sticking to their heads. Got it.

 

[RameezRambo_Fan]

Sahih Bukhari is not considered as book of God. It is a collection of customs/sayings of prophet Muhammed (PBUH).

Some people in this topic sadly think it is though.

 

[RameezRambo_Fan]

So that they don't get flies sticking to their heads. Got it.

How about...women aren't candy?

 

[DeadBall]

Sahih Bukhari is not considered as book of God. It is a collection of customs/sayings of prophet Muhammed (PBUH).

I know what Sahih Bukhari, Tirmidhi, Muslim etc are as I have studied Fiqh under prominent scholars in the UAE, Saudi Arabia etc. Why don't you go back to condescendingly appreciating women.

 

[DeadBall]

How about...women aren't candy?

Then whats the relevance of that pic.

 

[DeadBall]

How about...women aren't candy?

That pic is clearly depicting that women who cover their heads are purer than women who don't. No wonder people get agitated by this arrogance.

Not to mention they have a ton of make up on, thus nullifying the whole reason for a Hijab and modesty.

 

[Pakistanian]

This is the thing, what halal meat is not a debate if you want to make your definition of it go ahead but don't argue on what is halal meat.

The definition of halal will not change based on geography because its absolutely clear what it is, its not a debate once again.

My point is on your definition of Halal, I'm not Muslim I'm not judging the religion not judging posters as a whole, I'm judging your twisting of the word to your convenience based on your geography like its an 'argument'.

Oh my goodness, you are so dense

Read again what I said. I do not believe chick fil a is halal, I do acknowledge that there are Muslims including Shayks that non-zabiha meat can be halal. You do not have the comprehension skills, may be try reading critically, it'll help you in life.

The definition of halal will not change based on geography because its absolutely clear what it is, its not a debate once again.

My point is on your definition of Halal, I'm not Muslim I'm not judging the religion not judging posters as a whole, I'm judging your twisting of the word to your convenience based on your geography like its an 'argument'.

You're assuming the position of an Islamic scholar, who do you think you are tell people what is halal and haram? Like I said, I agree with the definition of zabiha being halal but I'm not gonna judge Muslims that believe in a different interpreation. You and your hindu buddies on here don't understand the various different scholarly interpreations, different schools of thoughts within Islam so try not act like something you're not. You are no authority.

As I said before, go to any Arab, Turk and African Muslim and tell them what you told me. Tell them you think they're hypocrites and "illietrate" for "twisting" Islamic "rulings". I bet you to do that, heck go to UIC right now (assuming you're in chicago) and tell any random Palestinian or Somali brother that he's a sinner for eating non-zabiha.

For more understanding on the halal zabiha discussion you can watch this video below from famous Muslim youtuber, Subhi Taha - he's Jordanian and like he says in the video most Arabs don't eat zabiha unlike south asian muslims but he is making the switch, as I do agree with him that zabiha is better but nobody can cast judgement on Muslims that choose to practice differently or follow the advice of their own shayks.

Lastly, I'd suggest you not try to assume to be an authority on Islamic fiqh or start declaring people non-Muslims. I understand you think Pakistanis are exotic and you like to tag along with and try become an insider our debates.

 

[sweep_shot]

I know what Sahih Bukhari, Tirmidhi, Muslim etc are as I have studied Fiqh under prominent scholars in the UAE, Saudi Arabia etc. Why don't you go back to condescendingly appreciating women.

I respect women a lot however I do not subscribe to modern feminism. I believe women should be women and men should be men.

 

[DeadBall]

I respect women a lot however I do not subscribe to modern feminism. I believe women should be women and men should be men.

And how does a woman be a woman?

 

[sweep_shot]

And how does a woman be a woman?

Women shouldn't try to dress like men, appear like men, and talk like men. God made women and men differently and we should keep that in mind.

Again, I have nothing but respect for women. Anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong.

 

[DeadBall]

Women shouldn't try to dress like men, appear like men, and talk like men. God made women and men differently and we should keep that in mind.

Again, I have nothing but respect for women. Anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong.

Just because you keep on repeating it like a parrot doesnt make it true.

Each woman is an individual and they can dress, talk, walk how they wish. Your respect means bupkis to them.

 

[JaDed]

Oh my goodness, you are so dense

Read again what I said. I do not believe chick fil a is halal, I do acknowledge that there are Muslims including Shayks that non-zabiha meat can be halal. You do not have the comprehension skills, may be try reading critically, it'll help you in life.



You're assuming the position of an Islamic scholar, who do you think you are tell people what is halal and haram? Like I said, I agree with the definition of zabiha being halal but I'm not gonna judge Muslims that believe in a different interpreation. You and your hindu buddies on here don't understand the various different scholarly interpreations, different schools of thoughts within Islam so try not act like something you're not. You are no authority.

As I said before, go to any Arab, Turk and African Muslim and tell them what you told me. Tell them you think they're hypocrites and "illietrate" for "twisting" Islamic "rulings". I bet you to do that, heck go to UIC right now (assuming you're in chicago) and tell any random Palestinian or Somali brother that he's a sinner for eating non-zabiha.

For more understanding on the halal zabiha discussion you can watch this video below from famous Muslim youtuber, Subhi Taha - he's Jordanian and like he says in the video most Arabs don't eat zabiha unlike south asian muslims but he is making the switch, as I do agree with him that zabiha is better but nobody can cast judgement on Muslims that choose to practice differently or follow the advice of their own shayks.

Lastly, I'd suggest you not try to assume to be an authority on Islamic fiqh or start declaring people non-Muslims. I understand you think Pakistanis are exotic and you like to tag along with and try become an insider our debates.

Boy its about a definition of halal meat not about some American's journey and debate regarding that. I'm not a scholar but am not bad at reading, kindly don't make me pull that thread again coz it makes absolutely no sense to have a definition(interpretation) based on geography.

Now as to why I'm debating only about this one thing is because it has a definition and my family has been in restaurant business and have always been serving only halal meat so don't give me this nonsense about how Americans have their own interpretation about it.

Also you are mocking Trodon for quoting from google and now you are sending me some youtuber's halal journey, not its his own definition which is exactly what you have here, I'm out anyway coz you have your 'journey' to understand how to read a book.

 

[Pakistanian]

Boy its about a definition of halal meat not about some American's journey and debate regarding that. I'm not a scholar but am not bad at reading, kindly don't make me pull that thread again coz it makes absolutely no sense to have a definition(interpretation) based on geography.

Now as to why I'm debating only about this one thing is because it has a definition and my family has been in restaurant business and have always been serving only halal meat so don't give me this nonsense about how Americans have their own interpretation about it.

Also you are mocking Trodon for quoting from google and now you are sending me some youtuber's halal journey, not its his own definition which is exactly what you have here, I'm out anyway coz you have your 'journey' to understand how to read a book.

This is not a geography thing Mr.I-can't-read , this is a fiqh thing. Go to the middle east, africa or the balkans and there's various interpretations. The guy in the video is Jordanian and he's stating what most Arabs believe in. I don't care what your family serves, there Indian Hindus running so called "halal" restaurants and they've been exposed on halal restaurant facebook pages for serving nonhalal meat - ask any Pakistani or Indian Muslim and they'll tell you they avoid any Hindu restaurant that serves "halal" meat. Please stick to veggie dosas cause trying to rip off the Muslim community is quite pathetic.

 

[JaDed]

This is not a geography thing Mr.I-can't-read , this is a fiqh thing. Go to the middle east, africa or the balkans and there's various interpretations. The guy in the video is Jordanian and he's stating what most Arabs believe in. I don't care what your family serves, there Indian Hindus running so called "halal" restaurants and they've been exposed on halal restaurant facebook pages for serving nonhalal meat - ask any Pakistani or Indian Muslim and they'll tell you they avoid any Hindu restaurant that serves "halal" meat. Please stick to veggie dosas cause trying to rip off the Muslim community is quite pathetic.

The only place that Muslims would have issue eating would be at a restaurant with your definition of halal meat.

 

[Pakistanian]

The only place that Muslims would have issue eating would be at a restaurant with your definition of halal meat.

Like I said I believe in the zabiha definition but you evidently lack critical reading skills and don't understand there can be a difference in interpretation when it comes to religion.

And yes we should avoid halal restaurants owned by Islamophobic hindus.

 

[Musakhel]

Lol, it Has come to this where non believers are pointing out your Weak understanding of Islam, which so called school of though says Hijab is not compulsory In Islam?, All the Schools that matter All agree it is compulsory For women.

 

[Pakistanian]

Lol, it Has come to this where non believers are pointing out your Weak understanding of Islam, which so called school of though says Hijab is not compulsory In Islam?, All the Schools that matter All agree it is compulsory For women.

The nonbelievers here are claiming that the "niqab" is mandatory which is different from the hijab, all the schools have differing opinions. I believe the 4 major schools say that it isn't required - women are allowed to show their face except the salafi school but even then Al Albaani, a very prominent islamic salafi scholar stated that it isn't required for women.

 

[Madplayer]

In our Kashmir, women can wear hijab, niqab, burkha, Abaya or go without the head scarf altogether. Its up to the woman.

And the question in OP is strange to be honest because a woman doesnt need to wear hijab in privacy. So obviously the only place she would want to wear it is in public. If you dont allow it in public, then where do you expect her to wear it?

Finally i want to add that many non-muslims AND muslims have a massive misconception that Hijab means just the headscarf. Hijab is a state of mind which upholds modesty and decency. Hijab was first prescribed for men and then for women. The scarfs and burkhas etc. are just expressions of hijab. If a muslim woman or man doesnt want hijab, its lack of Imaan more than anything else.

 

[Madplayer]

Sahih Hadiths are Sahih for a reason. They satisfy the chain of narrations and hence they were accepted.

So www.sahih-bukhari.com is a terrible website?

When shown proof, believers hide behind mumbo-jumbo and interpretations etc. Are you saying nobody understands the perfect book given by God Almighty?

I think you, like most non-muslims AND those muslims who study fiqh under extremists, are suffering from a common problem. Of not understanding how flexible the Shariah is depending upon time, place and effect on muslims. This is a prime reason why some muslims leave Islam and why some non-muslims misunderstand Islam. Because of the rigidity that they encounter.

The fundamental philosophy of Islam could be understood by anyone. It is by and large easy to understand and grasp. However, in matters of Fiqh, usool and Islamic jurisprudence one needs an expert. To mock Islam and say things like "so nobody can understand the perfect book" won't get you anywhere. Its like an uneducated man who read two articles about particle physics saying that physics doesnt make sense. It is not the physics which is the problem, it is just that the man is uneducated about the subject.

You can understand what a disease is, what is its symptoms are etc. But its risky to try and treat it yourself. You always need an expert doctor who could diagnose and treat you. Why? Because he has studied medicine for years with dedication. And you wouldnt want any local hakeem or Vaid to treat you. You would want a proper doctor who has studied the traditions and methods which were agreed upon historically and improved upon with time. Those who fulfill the basic criteria of Shariah, that it should benefit Islam and muslims and not be counter-productive. Unfortunately, these kind of scholars are a dying breed in Islam. However, there is still hope with some of the scholars working hard to establish proper schools and colleges. Zaytoona college in US is an example of it.

 

[DeadBall]

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Finally i want to add that many non-muslims AND muslims have a massive misconception that Hijab means just the headscarf. Hijab is a state of mind which upholds modesty and decency.

Then why do most of the modest Hijab wearing women have such heavy make up? Even in Pakistani culture the scarf covers like half of the head with a clown like face.

It is human nature to show of one's traits to attract a mate. Muslim, Non Muslim has nothing to do with it. We live with this hypocrisy and force/convince the women to do so too, men are allowed to show their features (to an extent) but women are not?

If all these Hijab wearing women are such pillars of modesty, stop wearing make up, doing your eyebrows, waxing your upper lip etc.