You didn't bother to respond to my comment or even quote me cause you have no way to refute what I said and are afraid being owned again. I'll repeat what I said before in the simplest words for you - Islam is a religion with many sects and schools of thoughts, each with their own fiqh (laws), theology and interpretations of the Qur'an and Sunnah (traditions of Muhammad PBUH).
Here are some argument-al fallacies you've been committing on this thread constantly either out of ignorance or maliciousness, I'd encourage to read this whole post before replying to me (if you dare):
1. You keep assuming all Muslims on this thread belong to one sect and school of thought, probably Sunni - Hannafi going off your comments.
- Not all Pakistanis or Muslims on this forum are Sunni. While I am one, this forum is very diverse so to assume just one position of Islam you're implying only one school of thought and sect is the right one, you're basically doing the exact same thing extremists such as the Taliban and ISIS are doing which assuming the authority of deciding who is or isn't Muslim.
- If your gripe with is with Sunni Islam then go ahead and state that clearly because your whole argument is against Sunni - Islama and that too of one of school thought.
- You keep posting Hadiths but you're unware that there are Pakistani Shias too and Shias do not recognize the Sahih Sittah (6 authentic hadiths) and have their own hadith collection and they also make 5 prayers a day (3 times a day as opposed to 5 times) so by attacking Islam based off the hadiths you're implying that Shias are not Muslim a view held among extremists. Jinnah who split India was also from the Shia sect.
- Ismailis are also considered Muslims according to both the Amman message by the Imam-e-Ka'aba and the Govt of Pakistan and even by India, so you're implying they're not Muslim because they don't follow the Hadiths, have their own prayer style and don't pray 5 times a day as the only basis for being Muslim is believing that there is no creator but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger, the five pillars that come from the Hadiths actually varies according to school of thought so you can not declare somebody a non-Muslim based off not subscribing to the 5 pillars, some madhabs (schools) believe there are 6 pillars and that just shows the diversity of interpretations.
- There are also Ahmadis, I don't want to get into a debate about their beliefs but as a secular Indian you probably consider them Muslims so it's surprising you're implying only Sunnis are Muslim and excluding anybody that doesn't fit a certain fiqh or theology.
- There are also Qur'anists aka Al-Quraniyoon who are Muslims that only believe in the Qur'an and not the Hadiths very similar to some denominations in Christanity that broke off from Catholicism, so you have no right to say they aren't Muslim because they don't subscribe to the Sahih Sittah, the first of which was published a couple centuries after the Prophets death. By making the claim that you can only be Muslim by following the hadiths you are supporting the same views of ISIS and the Taliban.
Now for the sake of argument and to make things simpler for you as all of this must be confusing to somebody not familiar to the diversity of thought within the Muslim world, lets assume that you're only talking about Sunni Islam and disregarding the other sects even then you're incorrect about your assertions on the Sunni 'stance' on Hijab.
To break it down
1. How Sunni - Islam is practiced varies by madhabs (schools of thoughts) each with their own fiqh (law)
2. There are 4 major school of thoughts - Shafi, Maliki, Hannafi and Hanbali. There are some minor schools of thoughts but they have a miniscule number of followers so aren't discussed as often as the
Big 4
Now you may ask how these madhabs differ from each other when they're all essentially under the umbrella of Sunni Islam? How did they come into existence and why?
The answer is that each of the madhabs were named after certain scholars who researched Islam and the Hadiths but they all have different laws but each of the 4 scholars intepreted the same hadiths differently, Abu Hanifa who founded the Hanafi school and Malik ibn Anas the founder of the Maliki school could both study the same hadith for example the Sahih Bukhari yet come to different conclusions and that's why practices can vary between sunnis, even in terms of prayer styles, what is forbidden to eat and what isn't etc If you go to sunni mosque you can see a Moroccan muslim who follows the Maliki tradition may fold his arms differently from a Malaysian Muslim that follows the Shafii tradition. Some other notable differences is the duration of Eid, in North Africa they celebrate Eid for only 2 days in line with the laws laid by the dominant school of thought as opposed to 4 days of Eid as is the norm in Hanafi majority countries. In some madhabs eating shrimp isn't halal while in other it is and they all base their different positions from the interpretations of the Hadiths by the respective scholars.
It's the same with the veil. While the hijab is required by all 4 school, covering your face is not required except by Salafis and as I mentioned above there are even some Salafi scholars such as Al Albani, one of the most respected scholars of Albanian origin to have studied Islam and he's still held high regard. So I don't know who you think you are to override the rulings from the 4 madhabs, the scholars that researched the hadiths extensively and other scholars such as Al Albaani in the past century that have maintained that covering your face (the veil) is not required by Islam at all.
Before you say "but but the Hadiths!!!!1" - Every Sunni Muslim in the world follows a school of though whether knowingly or unknowingly, we all follow one school or another and the scholars that founded each madhab has already interpreted the hadiths for us and laid out the laws, so just studying the hadiths in isolation to suggest what it says makes no sense unless you're somebody that chooses to not follow any madhab and instead do their own thing or maybe start your own movement but for most Sunnis we aren't going to breakaway from the traditions already established by the madhab that we follow.
For more info on the different schools
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhhab
https://themuslimtimes.info/2017/10...een-hanafi-shafi-hanbali-and-maliki-in-islam/
Don't bother responding if you have gained any knowledge from this because there's no point having a discussion with some with a juvenile understanding of religion.
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