As an Indian are you ashamed about our performance against England today?

[Bhaijaan]

You know what I mean and don’t need to explain.

Share your true thoughts here

 

[Deewana]

Have India avenged CT 2009 (Pakistans defeat to Australia)

In CT 2009 going in to the last 2 games, Ind vs WI and Pak vs Aus, India were dependent on Pakistan's victory over Australia in order to qualify to SFs, Pakistan had already qualified by then. Pak lost a close game vs Australia but post the game Younis Khan (captain at the time) was seen smiling, this rose a few eyebrows, india indeed were knocked out because of that result..
a decade latter India have put Pakistan on the brink of elimination by losing to England with some strange play in the last 5 overs

 

[RainStopsPlay]

Nope! I'm proud that it was India's first loss in the WC after 6 wins and we've two more games to make to semis. Proud of my Team's performance so far.

 

[xbronze]

I am ashamed and happy.

Ashamed that INDiA team has a lot of dead wood who are being persisted with beyond their 'use by' or 'expiry dates'. Past glory is not the yard stick to keep up with a player. Give youngsters a chance.

Happy because the shortcomings in the India team was exposed before the world. Lets learn to accept that this team is good only on paper. Would take a fluke to win the world cup.

The better team won the match today. ENG team is leagues ahead of team India. NOthing else to this match.

 

[CricketIsAwesome]

As a Pakistan fan, are you ashamed that your team performed so poorly that you have to rely on the outcome of other matches to move forward in this WC and if teh results don't suit your appetite, there are umpteenth conspiracy theories that your fans fall back on

 

[Zerotohero]

As a Pakistan fan, are you ashamed that your team performed so poorly that you have to rely on the outcome of other matches to move forward in this WC and if teh results don't suit your appetite, there are umpteenth conspiracy theories that your fans fall back on

I have a strong feeling that FC is not an Indian but a Pakistani pretending to be an Indian
There is nothing to be ashamed of when you have to beat the World Cup record chasing score
It is not like India is unable to chase 227

 

[Gabbar Singh]

You know what I mean and don’t need to explain.

Share your true thoughts here

Bhaijaan please explain?

 

[Havok]

Dhoni doesn't represent the whole india, so no

 

[KingKhanWC]

I have a strong feeling that FC is not an Indian but a Pakistani pretending to be an Indian
There is nothing to be ashamed of when you have to beat the World Cup record chasing score
It is not like India is unable to chase 227

Hes an Indian fan, stop with the consipiracy.

Are you happy with 5 wickets in the shed, your batsmen stop trying to win the game when it was very much on?

 

[Ab Fan]

No

 

[bluevision]

No, I am ashamed of MSD and Kedar only, and how they still make it in the playing 11.

 

[Ab Fan]

Hes an Indian fan, stop with the consipiracy.

Are you happy with 5 wickets in the shed, your batsmen stop trying to win the game when it was very much on?

It wasn't ON as soon as Pandya got out. Jadhav and Dhoni ain't good enough hitters.

 

[Bhaijaan]

On behalf of genuine hearted brave Indians, the 1% of the population who still vote for Congress, i sincerely apologise to my entire Pakistani friends here. What we did today is utterly disgraceful and wasn’t in the true spirit of the game.

 

[Dingolfy]

I am happy the hype of this so-called beast Pant got exposed today. I was one of the few here who predicted his downfall and he exaclty did the same today. Bats like a proper t20 hack and should be kept away from ODI team till he changes his way of batting.

 

[cricketfanfirst]

FC, trolling ka naya level hai kya yeh?...Why I will bloody hell feel ashamed just because of two players utter disgraceful batting display. I was happy with the chase was going on till Virat was there, because we had things under control till that time, it was just a 20/20 overs match type of situation remaining when he was at the crease. And, he was batting superbly and so was Rohit and others too tried (like Pandya and Pant), so full marks for them.

Dhoni and Jadhav should be ashamed and no one else. Why would Indians need to be ashamed?

Trolling band kar do aaj, dhimag ghum raha hai...

 

[xbronze]

Hes an Indian fan, stop with the consipiracy.

Are you happy with 5 wickets in the shed, your batsmen stop trying to win the game when it was very much on?

The '5 wickets in the shed' were the last 5 wickets, the tail, and not the head of the batting lineup. When the head couldn't handle the hot pace and spin attack of the ENG team, you seriously expect the tail enders to step in and hit 6s and 4s from the get go?

 

[JibranAnsari]

the approach against rashid was very weird i must say , especially pande against him.

 

[life4smile]

Few things were written in destiny already 2009 and 2019 have no connection in terms of kicking out a Foe . People with bieliefs n heart must only remember one thing only.


2019 is 100% copy of 1992 in terms of Pakistan and relative results for Pakistan , No one can predict future but history can create a future and only n only if Almighty wants only then Pakistan will be out otherwise no matter how high plotting you do but you cannt win against destiny if it’s already written.

 

[Zerotohero]

On behalf of genuine hearted brave Indians, the 1% of the population who still vote for Congress, i sincerely apologise to my entire Pakistani friends here. What we did today is utterly disgraceful and wasn’t in the true spirit
of the game.

Talk for yourself you don’t even represent that 1 percent also
You expected Dhoni and Jadhav to chase
Why don’t you feel same for afg captain when he purposely lost the game
No theories then

 

[cricketfanfirst]

I am happy the hype of this so-called beast Pant got exposed today. I was one of the few here who predicted his downfall and he exaclty did the same today. Bats like a proper t20 hack and should be kept away from ODI team till he changes his way of batting.

So you are happy for a newcomer coming and showing intent but failing .... But, are amazingly calm seeing pathetic display of Dhoni and Jadhav. A 20/20 hack, he may be, but he will DO NO WORSE than Dhoni/Jadhav and Rahul. That kid at least tried his best , hack he may be, doesn't matter, in which cricketing sense is, Dhoni's batting style is close to purity or perfection?

I salute Dhoni for his past achievements but in current scenario he is hurting us badly...

 

[xbronze]

I am happy the hype of this so-called beast Pant got exposed today. I was one of the few here who predicted his downfall and he exaclty did the same today. Bats like a proper t20 hack and should be kept away from ODI team till he changes his way of batting.

The guy Pant does NOT have the basics in place. Bat goes flying from his hand. His balance is off while making strokes. Fell down twice attempting to hit the ball. Is this a joke or what?

 

[KingKhanWC]

It wasn't ON as soon as Pandya got out. Jadhav and Dhoni ain't good enough hitters.

The '5 wickets in the shed' were the last 5 wickets, the tail, and not the head of the batting lineup. When the head couldn't handle the hot pace and spin attack of the ENG team, you seriously expect the tail enders to step in and hit 6s and 4s from the get go?

Kohli was baffled, Nasser was baffled, Ganguly was baffled and many Indian fans. Your opinions are in a minority and lack knowledge of the game.

Watch Carlos Brathwaite try against NZ, he was with a weaker tail and on his own but came within a few runs of victory. Dhoni and co were embarrasing for most Indian fans but if you weren't, strange but good for you.

 

[xbronze]

The guy Pant does NOT have the basics in place. Bat goes flying from his hand. His balance is off while making strokes. Fell down twice attempting to hit the ball. Is this a joke or what?

And to add to it...his pathetic running between the wickets. Unpardonable. Needs to be sent back to Ranji trophy.

 

[satheesh]

No ...because of these ...
Dhawan out was a severe blow to the fortunes.If he was playing in this match the result could have been exactly the opposite.
Secondly , the early dismissal of Rahul put too much pressure on Kohli. Had Rahul given a good start(very important in such high chases) and then got out after say 55 in first 10 overs, Kohli would have played a lot freely.Unfortunately he got out when he was about to up the ante. Then the best option once after Pandya & Pant got out was to preserve the run rate .So , all in all the team played with the over all benefit in mind rather than this match alone . So not ashamed.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Absolutely FC bro. The whole point of India playing today was to ensure that Pakistan qualify for the semis. Can't believe they threw this match. But Pakistan are a side on a roll anyway. They'll blast out BD for 100 runs and chase in 10 overs to knock NZ out. PAK are the only team capable of achieving such impossible highs so we must keep the faith. Karma will catch up with India at the semis and we'll be knocked out by England.

 

[KingKhanWC]

On behalf of genuine hearted brave Indians, the 1% of the population who still vote for Congress, i sincerely apologise to my entire Pakistani friends here. What we did today is utterly disgraceful and wasn’t in the true spirit of the game.

I never expected India to win so no need to apologise. But if you lose to Bangladesh I want an apology and a fantastic cup of chai.

 

[sivanand82]

Not ashamed but it is the lack of will to fight hurting.But in any-case our batsman simply did not have the skill to a make a fight in the chase.This is definitely going to impact the semifinal match as mostly likely India is going to play Eng in semis as Aus is going to top the table for sure and Ind/Eng going to end up in 2/3rd places.Sorry to fans across other south asian teams we simple did not have the skills and mental strength to win against this english side

 

[Zerotohero]

Hes an Indian fan, stop with the consipiracy.

Are you happy with 5 wickets in the shed, your batsmen stop trying to win the game when it was very much on?

Rich coming from a Pakistan fan
You are asking others to stop conspiracy when yourself has doubt on a math and claiming conspiracy wow

 

[Bhaijaan]

I never expected India to win so no need to apologise. But if you lose to Bangladesh I want an apology and a fantastic cup of chai.

I was looking forward to another meeting with Pakistan in the KOs bro. As much I believe in the cornered tigers I remain positive and competitive and welcome this rivalry and another big match. Inshahallah we will still have it. Chai is on the cards. It is our turn to dish great tea to our Pakistani friends after you served Abhinandan great tea

 

[bujhee kom]

I have a strong feeling that FC is not an Indian but a Pakistani pretending to be an Indian
There is nothing to be ashamed of when you have to beat the World Cup record chasing score
It is not like India is unable to chase 227

This is a major issue here. People pretending to be what they are not to rile others, or to create a fake narrative. We all know who we have in mind.

 

[farazaidi]

Nope! I'm proud that it was India's first loss in the WC after 6 wins and we've two more games to make to semis. Proud of my Team's performance so far.

5 wins, 1 wash out.
[MENTION=8061]topi[/MENTION]c
You cant blame the entire team of losing a match against another world class team, there are too many factors contributing to final result and you have the accept the results. Only thing inexplicable is the Dhoni Kedar partnership. None of the guys even attempted a risky slog which is baffling when RR was over 15. They didnt had any NRR equation to achieve, there is no brownie points for a close loss today. It just doesnt make sense at all.

Going forward, it just highlights brittle Indian batting which stops when either Rohit or Kohli gets out. Its frightening really, their middle order is worse than Pakistan ATM.

 

[CricketIsAwesome]

Kohli was baffled, Nasser was baffled, Ganguly was baffled and many Indian fans. Your opinions are in a minority and lack knowledge of the game.

Watch Carlos Brathwaite try against NZ, he was with a weaker tail and on his own but came within a few runs of victory. Dhoni and co were embarrasing for most Indian fans but if you weren't, strange but good for you.

They can be as baffled as they want to be but they were not the ones facing the English bowlers. I am actually baffled by Naseer who instead of commending the English bowlers of bowling smart was instead hoping the Indians would hit them out of the ground.

It is not like #1 team was playing a #7 or 7 ranked team. These are two top teams and England bowled and executed their strategy well. Hope Indians learnt and will plan accordingly for their next game

 

[xbronze]

Kohli was baffled, Nasser was baffled, Ganguly was baffled and many Indian fans. Your opinions are in a minority and lack knowledge of the game.

Watch Carlos Brathwaite try against NZ, he was with a weaker tail and on his own but came within a few runs of victory. Dhoni and co were embarrasing for most Indian fans but if you weren't, strange but good for you.

Let me respectfully ask you a question. You talk about the last 5 batsmen, as if they would have won the match for India when the top line up failed. Did you watch the much hyped Pant bat?

Did you see how out of sorts he was? Pathetic running between the wickets, totally clueless. His bat goes flying with a shot he attempt (and the commentator informed that this has happened several times earlier with Pant in various levels of games). He himself falls down while attempting his shots (and the Indian commentator tries to cover up saying that this is Pants speciality, and that that falling down is also a much repeated feature of Pant. Really?

Someone needs to take him back to the cricket academy and train him on the importance of body balance and the so called 'holding the shape' while making shots at the crease)

All in all but for Kohli and Sharma there is no solid bat in this line up. That is the ugly reality of Indian cricket that got exposed today. I do not fancy this team winning this world cup. Not when there are real professional teams like ENG AUS there.

 

[PakLFC]

No need for India to be ashamed after having an off day. They have dominated every team they've played so far in the tournament and will surely qualify. I am ashamed that Pak needed to depend on India to bail us out.

 

[geraltofrivia]

Let me respectfully ask you a question. You talk about the last 5 batsmen, as if they would have won the match for India when the top line up failed. Did you watch the much hyped Pant bat?

Did you see how out of sorts he was? Pathetic running between the wickets, totally clueless. His bat goes flying with a shot he attempt (and the commentator informed that this has happened several times earlier with Pant in various levels of games). He himself falls down while attempting his shots (and the Indian commentator tries to cover up saying that this is Pants speciality, and that that falling down is also a much repeated feature of Pant. Really?

Someone needs to take him back to the cricket academy and train him on the importance of body balance and the so called 'holding the shape' while making shots at the crease)

All in all but for Kohli and Sharma there is no solid bat in this line up. That is the ugly reality of Indian cricket that got exposed today. I do not fancy this team winning this world cup. Not when there are real professional teams like ENG AUS there.

lol AUS lost to IND. ENG has lost to teams like PAK and SL. It was an off day.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Kohli was smiling today after the loss so it was all planned. This has been a fun World Cup though. I didn’t want England to be knocked out as it just makes everything so interesting and no team is unbeaten anymore.

 

[Zerotohero]

I was looking forward to another meeting with Pakistan in the KOs bro. As much I believe in the cornered tigers I remain positive and competitive and welcome this rivalry and another big match. Inshahallah we will still have it. Chai is on the cards. It is our turn to dish great tea to our Pakistani friends after you served Abhinandan great tea

This is not trolling but shows you are definitely not an Indian. This cornered tigers and all no Indianin is going to discuss
Except you believe as a pak fan
Come out of your closet

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

So you are happy for a newcomer coming and showing intent but failing .... But, are amazingly calm seeing pathetic display of Dhoni and Jadhav. A 20/20 hack, he may be, but he will DO NO WORSE than Dhoni/Jadhav and Rahul. That kid at least tried his best , hack he may be, doesn't matter, in which cricketing sense is, Dhoni's batting style is close to purity or perfection?

I salute Dhoni for his past achievements but in current scenario he is hurting us badly...

Lol keep this emotional melo drama aside. Where were you when another new comer Vijay Shankar was bashed left, right and center by people here? He didn't even get to bowl after taking 2 important wickets against Pakistan and people were making fun of his bowling. Don't you think he also deserves more chances? Or at least as many as Pandya to establish himself?

 

[Zerotohero]

Also did English fans apologise for losing to Sri Lanka or pak fans for losing to West Indies

 

[FreePalestine]

They clearly threw the game deliberately in the last 7 overs. Some people on this thread genuinely don’t understand that because of lack of cricketing knowledge, which I don’t mind. But others are either happy about it because they hate Pak, or deliberately denying it because truth doesn’t matter anymore

Everyone could see it - Nasser, Ganguly, all the Indian friends from my cricket teams I’ve talked to on whatsapp since. This is something to be ashamed of, I would think?

 

[JaDed]

Whats the highest total chased in WCs as such 329? So we were expected to make a world record today if i'm right?

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Lol keep this emotional melo drama aside. Where were you when another new comer Vijay Shankar was bashed left, right and center by people here? He didn't even get to bowl after taking 2 important wickets against Pakistan and people were making fun of his bowling. Don't you think he also deserves more chances? Or at least as many as Pandya to establish himself?

Lol keep this hypocrisy aside.
What about you why are u blaming pant ecen though this was his first match, as far as i know you were supporting vijay shankar even though he failed.

 

[AutoCrat]

On behalf of genuine hearted brave Indians, the 1% of the population who still vote for Congress, i sincerely apologise to my entire Pakistani friends here. What we did today is utterly disgraceful and wasn’t in the true spirit of the game.

Apart from Dhoni and Jadhav, everyone else genuinely tried their best to win. KL is a nervous Wreck anyway. Just look at how many Rohit and Pant played and missed. Everyone else have shown maximum intent. It's bizarre why MSD and Jadhav gave up so early, perhaps on direction from dressing room to save NRR, we don't know yet.

Either way this proves that this team does not have the champion mindset. Except Rohit (who was dropped at nothing mind you) and Kohli, we are one of weakest bathing line ups in this WC.

Pak fans crying foul and throwing match fixing claims around like candy is just comedy gold. The same fans would have been ridiculing and belittling this Indian team gleefully had Pakistan's chances didn't hinge on the result of this game.

 

[sivanand82]

The guy Pant does NOT have the basics in place. Bat goes flying from his hand. His balance is off while making strokes. Fell down twice attempting to hit the ball. Is this a joke or what?

Yes KL Rahul,MSD,Kedar are simply the technically gifted and graceful batsman around for this team and young Pant is simply not in the league of them.

 

[LegendsXI]

This is silly. India has nothing to be ashamed about.

It’s their game, and they can do what they like

 

[Hasan123]

Indian spinners getting hit out of the attack didn't help things. Also Shami at the end. Kohli and Rohit got out at poor times after rebuilding well.

 

[gani999]

No I am not ashamed.

It is not like Indians must be ashamed because they did not help Pakistan reach the SF.

Every team in the WC is there to ensure their own victory. Nobody is out there to do favours for anyone else.

 

[cricketfanfirst]

Lol keep this emotional melo drama aside. Where were you when another new comer Vijay Shankar was bashed left, right and center by people here? He didn't even get to bowl after taking 2 important wickets against Pakistan and people were making fun of his bowling. Don't you think he also deserves more chances? Or at least as many as Pandya to establish himself?

Look man, I observed you are very defensive every time regards Dhoni and are against Pandya, but for the silly reason of Tullybaaz. Being a tullybaaz is fine but he gave his 100% that is what it matters.

Vijay Shankar is not good enough to up the tempo but he is better than Jadhav and should be given a chance if it is between him and Jadhav.

I don't have any favourites, I just want India to field the best team. Look at my posts, I always had great respect for Dhoni but of late due to his pathetic display I'm fed up.

Any unbiased person who is a real cricket fan would be fuming at the display of Dhoni/Jadhav today.

I just want India to win and that is possible by playing the best possible team. To me Dhoni is past his prime and also today his judgement in not using DRS did cost India dearly.

No, I don't do any drama check all my posts, I put whatever I feel in straightforward terms in cricketing sense.

 

[AutoCrat]

FC, trolling ka naya level hai kya yeh?...Why I will bloody hell feel ashamed just because of two players utter disgraceful batting display. I was happy with the chase was going on till Virat was there, because we had things under control till that time, it was just a 20/20 overs match type of situation remaining when he was at the crease. And, he was batting superbly and so was Rohit and others too tried (like Pandya and Pant), so full marks for them.

Dhoni and Jadhav should be ashamed and no one else. Why would Indians need to be ashamed?

Trolling band kar do aaj, dhimag ghum raha hai...

Totally agree with you. The way Rohit and Virat were pacing their innings it would have culminated into an excellent chase and they were a treat to watch (Rohit was very rusty though) if not for Virat's unfortunate dismissal. I will not even bash MSD and Jadhav as I highly suspect it was a team decision to not waste NRR in pursuit of an almost impossible chase.

 

[Technics 1210]

Kohli was baffled, Nasser was baffled, Ganguly was baffled and many Indian fans. Your opinions are in a minority and lack knowledge of the game.

Watch Carlos Brathwaite try against NZ, he was with a weaker tail and on his own but came within a few runs of victory. Dhoni and co were embarrasing for most Indian fans but if you weren't, strange but good for you.

/End Thread.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Lol keep this hypocrisy aside.
What about you why are u blaming pant ecen though this was his first match, as far as i know you were supporting vijay shankar even though he failed.

You should be the last one on this forum to call others hypocrite. You were jumping up and down when Vijay Shankar didn't perform well in his first international match in England. Now you are bringing this excuse for Pant? Have you forgot Pant played in England last year? Anyone who(not you) understands cricket will tell you Pant was hacking it today. He should continue playing for India in T20 though.

 

[Captain caveman]

Shikar dhavan lost is huge for india and today it was huge for pakistan!
India has only 2 genuine batsman, same as pak, sharma and kohli and babar and haris, respectively!
With the exception of babar who is 23, the other 3 are 30+.
Futures not looking bright for either of these two teams!

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Look man, I observed you are very defensive every time regards Dhoni and are against Pandya, but for the silly reason of Tullybaaz. Being a tullybaaz is fine but he gave his 100% that is what it matters.

Vijay Shankar is not good enough to up the tempo but he is better than Jadhav and should be given a chance if it is between him and Jadhav.

I don't have any favourites, I just want India to field the best team. Look at my posts, I always had great respect for Dhoni but of late due to his pathetic display I'm fed up.

Any unbiased person who is a real cricket fan would be fuming at the display of Dhoni/Jadhav today.

I just want India to win and that is possible by playing the best possible team. To me Dhoni is past his prime and also today his judgement in not using DRS did cost India dearly.

No, I don't do any drama check all my posts, I put whatever I feel in straightforward terms in cricketing sense.

Criticising Pant doesn't make me a Dhoni's die hard fan either. I am supporting his inclusion in the team because of the other options we have. If Pant is good he will stay in the team. Right now he looks like a hack and having seen so many clean hitters and better batsman in indian cricket you should feel the same.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

You should be the last one on this forum to call others hypocrite. You were jumping up and down when Vijay Shankar didn't perform well in his first international match in England. Now you are bringing this excuse for Pant? Have you forgot Pant played in England last year? Anyone who(not you) understands cricket will tell you Pant was hacking it today. He should continue playing for India in T20 though.

First of all he is playing tests for india and will continue to do so, t20s are just for entertainment, dont even care.

He played much better than jadhav and dhoni, anyone(not you) who understands cricket will tell you ms dhonis innings was a joke.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Let me respectfully ask you a question. You talk about the last 5 batsmen, as if they would have won the match for India when the top line up failed. Did you watch the much hyped Pant bat?

Did you see how out of sorts he was? Pathetic running between the wickets, totally clueless. His bat goes flying with a shot he attempt (and the commentator informed that this has happened several times earlier with Pant in various levels of games). He himself falls down while attempting his shots (and the Indian commentator tries to cover up saying that this is Pants speciality, and that that falling down is also a much repeated feature of Pant. Really?

Someone needs to take him back to the cricket academy and train him on the importance of body balance and the so called 'holding the shape' while making shots at the crease)

All in all but for Kohli and Sharma there is no solid bat in this line up. That is the ugly reality of Indian cricket that got exposed today. I do not fancy this team winning this world cup. Not when there are real professional teams like ENG AUS there.

I watched all of Pant bat, he did look all at sea, agreed.

The issue isn't batsmen failing but not trying. Brathwaite has been poor for a long time but against NZ went hard for the win and it nearly paid off. No excuse for Dhoni not trying to hit sixes, he only started when he realised he can get a 50.

 

[AutoCrat]

Lol keep this emotional melo drama aside. Where were you when another new comer Vijay Shankar was bashed left, right and center by people here? He didn't even get to bowl after taking 2 important wickets against Pakistan and people were making fun of his bowling. Don't you think he also deserves more chances? Or at least as many as Pandya to establish himself?

Can you please stop with you player favoritism nonsense for once? Pant has showed a lot of intent from the get go, this is his first WC game and it's understandable that he fumbled, sometimes the intent and attitude is what matters the most and it lifts the whole team up. I am very proud of Pant and Pandya today, just for the fact that they tried their best to to take us through the line. I am sure Vijay also would have been the same, we need to back going players with hunger and passion, and do away with the Jadhavs and the Dhonis (I am a big fan but he is done for sure).

 

[CCAD]

On behalf of genuine hearted brave Indians, the 1% of the population who still vote for Congress, i sincerely apologise to my entire Pakistani friends here. What we did today is utterly disgraceful and wasn’t in the true spirit of the game.

Is this the first time you are watching India bat in last few years?

 

[cricketfanfirst]

Criticising Pant doesn't make me a Dhoni's die hard fan either. I am supporting his inclusion in the team because of the other options we have. If Pant is good he will stay in the team. Right now he looks like a hack and having seen so many clean hitters and better batsman in indian cricket you should feel the same.

I was talking about intent and you are taking about something else. Currently, of the lot we have in the squad, Pant the hack as you call him fashionably along with Pandya are better placed than Jadhav/Shankar and Rahul to bail us out when the RR is > 10.

You feel is Dhoni was technically competent batsman? No, he was never the one. Anyone, who has seen Dhoni's struggles in test matches on away tours specially in overcast conditions would vouch for that. He has been a hard hitting batsman who has done wonders with his limited technical ability. So, there is every reason Pant too can develop in future years and correct his technical flaws.

Don't you feel as fans of Indian cricket we were undone by the way Dhoni and Jadhav played? Don't you agree Dhoni is past his prime and he is not even able to have his famous Dhoni Review Systemm in place which cost India dearly. If Dhoni's ears and eyes were as sharp as when he was younger, he would have readily went for the DRS, but today his decision cost India dearly. Roy would have been gone and England would have been in pressure. I'm just raising this point as you time and again talk about Dhoni's brilliance on the field apart from his batting.

Dhoni is done, accept that bro. I get angry only when we fail to field our best possible eleven.

 

[AutoCrat]

Can you please stop with you player favoritism nonsense for once? Pant has showed a lot of intent from the get go, this is his first WC game and it's understandable that he fumbled, sometimes the intent and attitude is what matters the most and it lifts the whole team up. I am very proud of Pant and Pandya today, just for the fact that they tried their best to to take us through the line. I am sure Vijay also would have been the same, we need to back going players with hunger and passion, and do away with the Jadhavs and the Dhonis (I am a big fan but he is done for sure).

* "we need to back young players with hunger..."

 

[Technics 1210]

As a Pakistan fan, are you ashamed that your team performed so poorly that you have to rely on the outcome of other matches to move forward in this WC and if teh results don't suit your appetite, there are umpteenth conspiracy theories that your fans fall back on

So poorly? Pakistan were 4th position before today's match, and if NZ beat England, then it will be England relying on the outcome of another match. So by your logic, England have performed poorly, the #1 Ranked side/favourites going into this tournament?

I know you are from the USA where the closest thing to Cricket it baseball, but clearly this is your first ever Cricket World Cup experience!

 

[Ronaldo7]

As a Pakistan fan, are you ashamed that your team performed so poorly that you have to rely on the outcome of other matches to move forward in this WC and if teh results don't suit your appetite, there are umpteenth conspiracy theories that your fans fall back on

He's not a Pakistani.

 

[pakistanisgreat]

why would they ashamed off? they just lost the game. no team has chased a target of 300 plus. indian were winning and they were suppose to loss a game. this was not a bad performace at all.

as far pakistan concern we have played cricket like that. we always depend on others to win. right now we are our self to blame if we do not make it to semis.

 

[Obaidd]

I can’t believe India has no one to bat 4-6.

Kedar won’t even get into Pak’s lineup and Pant looked nowhere near his hype. Won’t comment on Dhoni because people are so touchy about him.

 

[cricketfanfirst]

Totally agree with you. The way Rohit and Virat were pacing their innings it would have culminated into an excellent chase and they were a treat to watch (Rohit was very rusty though) if not for Virat's unfortunate dismissal. I will not even bash MSD and Jadhav as I highly suspect it was a team decision to not waste NRR in pursuit of an almost impossible chase.

Yes, the reason I was sad and angry was due to the lack of intent shown by Dhoni and Jadhav. There can be no excuse for such shameful display, they were not even trying.

Virat was looking so good today and also Rohit after his initial struggles was coming into his own and was looking in totally destructive mode as was evident by so many superb strokes once he passed 50.

Yes, full marks to Pant/Pandya, they may be hacks but they tried their level best. At the end of the day, we need to give our 100% best with whatever limited ability we have.

I don't think it was the team decision, it was more of Dhoni's decision to play like that.

Anyway, this match has clearly showed everyone in the management that if India are to chase 300+, then Virat/Roht have to be there at one till the chase, else we are done. We cannot rely on Dhoni/Jadhav to bail us out. Also, Pant/Pandya can only play cameos, so we need Virat/Rohit be there till the end.

Just hope they up their gears from now on in and we win the cup.

Dhoni a great ODI skipper and leader, proud of his past achievements and all he did for Indian team in the past. But, at the current juncture, he is simply not good enough.

 

[AutoCrat]

Yes, the reason I was sad and angry was due to the lack of intent shown by Dhoni and Jadhav. There can be no excuse for such shameful display, they were not even trying.

Virat was looking so good today and also Rohit after his initial struggles was coming into his own and was looking in totally destructive mode as was evident by so many superb strokes once he passed 50.

Yes, full marks to Pant/Pandya, they may be hacks but they tried their level best. At the end of the day, we need to give our 100% best with whatever limited ability we have.

I don't think it was the team decision, it was more of Dhoni's decision to play like that.

Anyway, this match has clearly showed everyone in the management that if India are to chase 300+, then Virat/Roht have to be there at one till the chase, else we are done. We cannot rely on Dhoni/Jadhav to bail us out. Also, Pant/Pandya can only play cameos, so we need Virat/Rohit be there till the end.

Just hope they up their gears from now on in and we win the cup.

Dhoni a great ODI skipper and leader, proud of his past achievements and all he did for Indian team in the past. But, at the current juncture, he is simply not good enough.

Great post and very true. Although I still believe that was a team decision to shut shop once Pandya got out.

 

[usmanraheel]

I don't think there is something to be ashamed of , but as a fan it would be hard to watch the partnership between Kedar and Dhoni. Its frustrating to see players not go for the win, but admit defeat and just nudge it around. Also, I don't understand why some people are ashamed that Pakistan needs England to lose a game to get into the final four ? That is just how the game goes.

 

[dildilpak]

I am guessing it was frustrating for an Indian fan to see Dhoni not go for a win but i guess from Dhoni’s pragmatic perspective it was important to conserve NRR by not loosing wickets - India’s tail is notoriously long. But honestly nothing to be ashamed for - they were chasing 338 not 238 against a top team & they wanted to cut their losses.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India were given a world record chase, we failed. Not that big a problem.

Problem is we bought a half fit, lacking match fitness Jadhav to the WC.

Problem is Vijay Shankar played 3 matches before Pant.

Problem is we still are carrying a injured Bhuvi.

Problem is that if someone else gets injured, we have to play DK.

 

[Obaidd]

India were given a world record chase, we failed. Not that big a problem.

Problem is we bought a half fit, lacking match fitness Jadhav to the WC.

Problem is Vijay Shankar played 3 matches before Pant.

Problem is we still are carrying a injured Bhuvi.

Problem is that if someone else gets injured, we have to play DK.

Even Pant doesn’t seem talented tbh. Can’t believe people called him the next big thing from India.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

I think Cricket is scripted, what do you guys think ? They made a lot of hype for Bangladesh vs Afghanistan match and also Pakistan vs Afghanistan match then they even hyped up West Inides and made them sound like that their pacers were of holding’s era ‘West Indies bounced Pakistan out and now they are bouncing Aussies.’

This feels like a mystery movie

 

[barah_admi]

No, I am ashamed of MSD and Kedar only, and how they still make it in the playing 11.

What about Kohli and Sharma? At one stage their partnership was 40 odd runs from about 72 balls. That is 1980s level of ODI batting. Why could the two most able batsmen not do better at a crucial stage?

People are acting like the last 5 overs changed the game...did any of you watch the match? They needed over a hundred runs in the last 10 or so overs with none of the batsmen finding the middle of the bat. The game was over come Pandya's dismissal.

 

[Sin Nombre]

Even Pant doesn’t seem talented tbh. Can’t believe people called him the next big thing from India.

He is very good for a 21 year old. His batting will always look ungainly.

There is a reason why England thought his wicket was the decisive moment.

 

[cricketfanfirst]

What about Kohli and Sharma? At one stage their partnership was 40 odd runs from about 72 balls. That is 1980s level of ODI batting. Why could the two most able batsmen not do better at a crucial stage?

People are acting like the last 5 overs changed the game...did any of you watch the match? They needed over a hundred runs in the last 10 or so overs with none of the batsmen finding the middle of the bat. The game was over come Pandya's dismissal.

It seems you don't follow Indian cricket much. Virat and Rohit usually start slow and up the momentum even when we have to chase 300+ targets. I would say England was lucky to survive today, as Kohli was looking so ominous when he departed at the crucial time, and so was Rohit.

Pandya/Pant did tried their best, only the meltdown was at the end.

Pak chased nearly 9 runs/over on a spinning track against quality spinners of Afghanistan the other day, so there was no reason we could not even try to chase last 100 in 10 overs with 6 wickets in hand. Dhoni/Jadhav's display killed us today, that's all. Rest all showed intent and tried their best.

 

[Obaidd]

He is very good for a 21 year old. His batting will always look ungainly.

There is a reason why England thought his wicket was the decisive moment.

He couldn’t find any timing. There was just a lack of class which is usually expected from Indian batsmen.

Doesn’t seem suited to No. 4.
He can only make it into the team if he’s also playing as a keeper.

Also I find it strange that he was played over DK today while DK was selected in the original squad over him. Today’s team selection was contradictory in that sense.

 

[Obaidd]

Dhawan’s injury has hurt India’s balance because Rahul was finally settling into the no. 4 position.

 

[Sin Nombre]

He couldn’t find any timing. There was just a lack of class which is usually expected from Indian batsmen.

He will never have it.

At the same time, he averages 50 in tests after tours of England and Australia.

When he chooses which bowl to hit and which to defend, he is good.

In ODIs, his thinking is muddled.

 

[Obaidd]

He will never have it.

At the same time, he averages 50 in tests after tours of England and Australia.

When he chooses which bowl to hit and which to defend, he is good.

In ODIs, his thinking is muddled.

Well the thing with hacks is that they get found out. Fakhar is a case in point.

But yes his test average does say that he has something in him. I was just surprised to see that he couldn’t time at all today. Well even Rohit struggled to be fair.

 

[barah_admi]

It seems you don't follow Indian cricket much. Virat and Rohit usually start slow and up the momentum even when we have to chase 300+ targets. I would say England was lucky to survive today, as Kohli was looking so ominous when he departed at the crucial time, and so was Rohit.

Pandya/Pant did tried their best, only the meltdown was at the end.

Pak chased nearly 9 runs/over on a spinning track against quality spinners of Afghanistan the other day, so there was no reason we could not even try to chase last 100 in 10 overs with 6 wickets in hand. Dhoni/Jadhav's display killed us today, that's all. Rest all showed intent and tried their best.

I have followed Indian cricket and yes, Kohli and Sharma do start slow and ify ou think that is not a problem, then you have blinders on. They start slow, today they started too slow (27 runs in 10 overs??). Kohli at one stage was striking at 50. All of this can be forgiven if setting a score or chasing maybe 300 or 310 against a lesser side...to do so against England, with Plunkett in the side, with Archer as good as he is, with Rashid possibly providin gan extra dimension is utter rubbish and a terrible display from what Bogle labeled as "the two giants of white ball cricket" (when talking of Sharma and Kohli at the crease).

 

[masalamaster]

Everyone gave their very best except may be Jadhav. There is nothing to be ashamed of. 338 is not an easy score to chase. If it was the case, why did England with their mighty batting line up lose to Pakistan or SL? It all comes down to pressure. At some point you simply realize that the target is too big. That's all.

Pakistan fans should first question about the phainty they received from WI in their opener.

 

[skashyaps]

Do you really proud of how we play today ? Forget the 6 wins . I don't see any intention to chase the total .