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Why your hero Rizwan cowered out and sent nightwatchman?Shan is looking clueless... he is looking confused about this phainta that started by windies now
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Why your hero Rizwan cowered out and sent nightwatchman?Shan is looking clueless... he is looking confused about this phainta that started by windies now
Pakistan won 3 Test matches at home comfortably and in a dominant fashion.Dominant is winning atleast 7-8 games in a row , where have you seen Pakistan being dominant recently
Pakistan won 3 Test matches at home comfortably and in a dominant fashion.
Again, what have I said wrong?
In your glee at Babar being exposed you are advocating for Aqib to suicide bomb Pak cricket.Pakistan won 3 Test matches at home comfortably and in a dominant fashion.
Again, what have I said wrong?
Suicide bomb Pakistan cricket at a time when you don’t have a single Test quality batter?In your glee at Babar being exposed you are advocating for Aqib to suicide bomb Pak cricket.
Winning 3 Tests in a dominant fashion is what it is.So winning 3 games is called dominant , wow
Winning 3 Tests in a dominant fashion is what it is.
What do you want? Consistency in stupidity like your reading of the game?
You fluke 60 wickets in 3 games at home after getting mauled for 850?I can only sympathise with your definition of dominance ,rather than dominance it's more like a fluke
FYI , 20 wickets are req to win a Test , no big achievement getting 60 wickets in 3 gamesYou fluke 60 wickets in 3 games at home after getting mauled for 850?
What’s an idiot’s sympathy going to do for me? Keep it for yourself.
Yeah and how many wickets and victories did Pakistan take in the lead up to this????FYI , 20 wickets are req to win a Test , no big achievement getting 60 wickets in 3 games
Its just a start , now you're losing to the lowest rank team WI , just wait for the better teams to arrive with their far better spinners . Pakistan cricket has no where to hide. By next time these oldies , one directional very average spinner Sajid and Noman will be found out. England team was not prepared , now they and all other team will be ready.I just don’t understand these freshies
Pakistan losing Test match upon Test match at home on roads,
You change the pitch formula drastically and you win 3 Tests on the trot at home. Why are you all so bloody upset? Because Babar Azam is having to work for his runs???
The suicide bombing is pursuing this strategy long term and implementing in domesticSuicide bomb Pakistan cricket at a time when you don’t have a single Test quality batter?
So what do you do now? What kind of track do you want for SA in 10 months?Its just a start , now you're losing to the lowest rank team WI , just wait for the better teams to arrive with their far better spinners . Pakistan cricket has no where to hide. By next time these oldies , one directional very average spinner Sajid and Noman will be found out. England team was not prepared , now they and all other team will be ready.
What kind of final nail in the coffin is there to winning Test matches at home? You’ve won 3 of them recently?These pitches will be the final death nail for Pakistan test cricket... actually we may already be past that stage...
What kind of final nail in the coffin is there to winning Test matches at home? You’ve won 3 of them recently?
What’s the pitches that will revive Pakistan cricket? The ones administered under IK with Ramiz Raja as chairman??
Just declare fast bowlers and test cricket endangered specie and try to save them. Make supportive wickets where everyone including fast bowler have some chance, at least at the start and spinners get more help on 4th and 5th day and also pacers with some skill for reverse swing .So what do you do now? What kind of track do you want for SA in 10 months?
This is not a humiliation; we have to accept that entire batting unit has to learn how to adapt on these spin friendly conditions. Spin friendly wickets is the only recipe of success at home for Pakistan, there is no fast bowler in Pakistan who is capable of winning a test match at home but there are many spinners who have started winning momentum.Shan Masood, Aqib Javed and their supporters deserve this humiliation.
Please name anyone Pakistani fast bowler who has won a test match for Pakistan at home or away in last 3 years. I don't remember any as there is no competent fast bowler who is capable of running through oppositionJust declare fast bowlers and test cricket endangered specie and try to save them. Make supportive wickets where everyone including fast bowler have some chance, at least at the start and spinners get more help on 4th and 5th day and also pacers with some skill for reverse swing .
With the low class wickets we are making now, we are killing test cricket and fast bowlers with one stick and at the same time will start losing also.
Bang wasn't a seam friendly pitch, it was a flat deck. The 1st Test was a shocker. I dont have an issue with declaring to win a 4 day test game, but that collapse on the final day? Who could have predicted that?@Rana @mominsaigol
Pakistan Trying different things at home
Prepared flat pitches:
Lost to Australia 0-1
Lost to England 0-3
Drew against New Zealand 0-0
Prepared seam-friendly pitches:
Lost to Bangladesh 0-2
Prepared spin-friendly pitches:
Defeated England 2-1
Drew against West Indies 1-1
So what’s the issue?@Rana @mominsaigol
Pakistan Trying different things at home
Prepared flat pitches:
Lost to Australia 0-1
Lost to England 0-3
Drew against New Zealand 0-0
Prepared seam-friendly pitches:
Lost to Bangladesh 0-2
Prepared spin-friendly pitches:
Defeated England 2-1
Drew against West Indies 1-1
The problem is the game is toss dependant. Who wins the toss and bars first will win.So what’s the issue?
80 wickets in the last 4 Test matches at home = 3 wins
How many wickets in the previous 10 Test matches at home before Aqib took over?
It is a humiliation for them because Masood should not be in the team and Masood himself along with Aqib are responsible for determining if Masood should be in the team or not.This is not a humiliation; we have to accept that entire batting unit has to learn how to adapt on these spin friendly conditions. Spin friendly wickets is the only recipe of success at home for Pakistan, there is no fast bowler in Pakistan who is capable of winning a test match at home but there are many spinners who have started winning momentum.
This series result is way better than the result we saw in previous test series at home when roads were offered under Babar's captaincy and the team was playing every game with the sole intention to draw the test match rather than winning.
Agreed. These wickets are an abomination to cricket. Just like those where England was scoring 500 in one day. Two extremes on very far opposing ends. This is definitely not sustainable and it's worrying that Masood said we have to prepare these pitches for domestic cricket to be able to be better. That's not the solution sir.These are not spin friendly wickets like we see in Sri Lanka where yes, batsmen are challenged but those with sound techniques can still score big - but lottery pitches where average spinners can run riot and even good batsmen can never get set.
You're also relying heavily on the toss to go in your favour.
On a normal SC/UAE wicket we probably would've beaten WI as their batting is even worse than ours. However this low scoring shootout masked those frailties and meant 240 was a winning score.
Others can speak better than me to the science of pitch preparation - but surely they can't be drying the surface out as much going forward.
Just look at the bowling average of this years QEA trophy , other than Sajid, there is a not a single spinners in first 20 bowlers. Our batters did not have chance to play spinners in domestic FC games , no wonder they are clueless . You cannot produce good fast bowlers if you will not encourage them . YOu cannot buy a good fast bowler on Amazon , you need to produce one.Please name anyone Pakistani fast bowler who has won a test match for Pakistan at home or away in last 3 years. I don't remember any as there is no competent fast bowler who is capable of running through opposition
naaa, while i agree that pcb deserves blame, but these batters also deserve alot of blame.Just look at the bowling average of this years QEA trophy , other than Sajid, there is a not a single spinners in first 20 bowlers. Our batters did not have chance to play spinners in domestic FC games , no wonder they are clueless . You cannot produce good fast bowlers if you will not encourage them . YOu cannot buy a good fast bowler on Amazon , you need to produce one.
naaa, while i agree that pcb deserves blame, but these batters also deserve alot of blame.
In club cricket we had the dirtest wickets ever which is full of spin. Any cricketer that wants to self improve can always go and play club matches and play against spin. Alot of these international players have egos that wont allow them to play club matches.
Misbah and Younis were good against spin because they used to play these non professional matches, because in these matches the pitch is a big mess and is abit difficult to play spinners. Usually they have their own personal bowlers and spinners against whom they do their own net practice to bat against spin. Safraz also shows up at his club games and Karachi has rough spinner wickets all over the city. So if you play regular club cricket in Karachi than you can never be a bad player of spin..
Alot of the blame goes on these batters. They will have to adjust their techniques and try to learn how to mess with the bowlers line and length. Its frustrating watching Babar fall to spinners.
Misbah-------------------- here we go again. I didn't read after that.naaa, while i agree that pcb deserves blame, but these batters also deserve alot of blame.
In club cricket we had the dirtest wickets ever which is full of spin. Any cricketer that wants to self improve can always go and play club matches and play against spin. Alot of these international players have egos that wont allow them to play club matches.
Misbah and Younis were good against spin because they used to play these non professional matches, because in these matches the pitch is a big mess and is abit difficult to play spinners. Usually they have their own personal bowlers and spinners against whom they do their own net practice to bat against spin. Safraz also shows up at his club games and Karachi has rough spinner wickets all over the city. So if you play regular club cricket in Karachi than you can never be a bad player of spin..
Alot of the blame goes on these batters. They will have to adjust their techniques and try to learn how to mess with the bowlers line and length. Its frustrating watching Babar fall to spinners.
mere bhai the batters need to practice and learn how to perform in all kinds of conditions. Pakistan is mainly playing with Shaheen, Haris, Naseem and have occasionally introduced some other fast bowlers. These fast bowlers have literally won nothing major in any format, they look clueless with no pace, variation & poor fitness. Not sure about the quality of those 20 fast bowlers you are referring. At least spinners have started winning something since Eng series, I have no hopes from fast bowlers in any format.Just look at the bowling average of this years QEA trophy , other than Sajid, there is a not a single spinners in first 20 bowlers. Our batters did not have chance to play spinners in domestic FC games , no wonder they are clueless . You cannot produce good fast bowlers if you will not encourage them . YOu cannot buy a good fast bowler on Amazon , you need to produce one.
Noman chacha and Sajid will not last for ever and will also found out soon , can you name any other spinner in Pakistan's FC circuit who has the potential to be a match winner at test level, not a single one. There are some spinners playing WBC but they don't pay FC cricket at all.mere bhai the batters need to practice and learn how to perform in all kinds of conditions. Pakistan is mainly playing with Shaheen, Haris, Naseem and have occasionally introduced some other fast bowlers. These fast bowlers have literally won nothing major in any format, they look clueless with no pace, variation & poor fitness. Not sure about the quality of those 20 fast bowlers you are referring. At least spinners have started winning something since Eng series, I have no hopes from fast bowlers in any format.
No one is invincible in the game of cricket; every single player sees his downfall some for shorter period and some for longer period. The point overall is after several back-to-back losses at home Pakistan had to find their primary winning formula which currently is having spinning tracks as we have observed in series against Eng & WI. Some occasional losses should not discourage us.Noman chacha and Sajid will not last for ever and will also found out soon , can you name any other spinner in Pakistan's FC circuit who has the potential to be a match winner at test level, not a single one. There are some spinners playing WBC but they don't pay FC cricket at all.
Yes there is no domination OP just got excited with industrial fans , end result is Pakistan are still a bad Test teamDomination? What domination?
Yes there is no domination OP just got excited with industrial fans , end result is Pakistan are still a bad Test team
Domination? What domination?
They haven’t lost a Test series since the new strategy was employed, previously they were getting whitewashed at home. The recent drawn series wasn’t entirely dominant but the first Test was done within three days or so. When Misbah was captain people did a bhangra over UAE fortress when he drew so many series there, if that was categorised as dominant, why are the same people not putting this in that same vicinity, early days, but why not say they’re on that same path….
Pakistan didn't lose a series in UAE for many years. This is only 2 series.
The current move is designed to set them on a path where they don’t keep dropping home series so the criticism is interesting to say the least. Misbah was unbeaten but drew many series.
Pakistan's only way up is to go back to its original state. Fast bowlers backed by decent batters.
It has been a long time since they’ve relied on good quicks and batters, that hasn’t worked since the Bob Woolmer era and was replicated by the decline of the FC structure & pitches in Pakistan since that time. I think Pak should continue on this path and look to develop good quicks behind the scenes, India prepared raging turners to but it didn’t conflict with producing good quicks and, probably due to the strength of the Ranji Trophy, I don’t know if Pak will go that far to strengthen their infrastructure but with favourable pitches like these, at least they have a chance to win at home again, especially against western teams.
To keep winning series after series on rank turners you need good defensive batsman which you don't have. UAE domination was built on the back of YK Misbah who were v good against spin
I doubt Noman or Sajid are good enough to keep out bowling opposition spinners, series after series.
That means its a lottery.
Pakistan has depended on batsman with flair who could counter attack and brilliant fast bowlers. That's Pakistan.
What Aqib Javed is doing is to copy India because of India's 12 year long winning streak at home.
But you don't have a Ashwin Jadeja backed by a Kuldeep.
Neither do you have the defensive technique of Pujara, backed by a Kohli etc.
This isn't workable in the long term.
Actually India moved from raging turners to slow turners mostly, because Ashwin and Jadeja would out bowl other spinners. And it won't be a lottery.
Think like this, how successful would India be if they made green mambas and depended on avg pacers to win matches in India.
India's fast bowling development plan started in 1999-2000. Specific venues were choosen. Soil was imported to make the pitches fast bowler friendly. First such experience was Mohali.
I bet @Kianig89 was defending Babar the most back thenYou lost one Test in a drawn series against the WI and it’s a big humiliation, where was this energy when the Babar lead team was getting Pakistan white washed at home repeatedly when you were favourites to be WTC finalists ?
Why should I admit to your fantasies?Why don't OP admit that out of excitement the thread was created whereas ground reality is different, the team never looked dominant infact they lost the game from 38/7 a complete meltdown
So keep living in your fantasiesWhy should I admit to your fantasies?
Pakistan won 3 Tests at home in a comfortable, commanding, dominating, scintillating, impressive, smooth, lovely, excellent, beautiful manner.So keep living in your fantasies
Pakistan won 3 Tests at home in a comfortable, commanding, dominating, scintillating, impressive, smooth, lovely, excellent, beautiful manner.
Babar and Rizwan are responsible for Pakistan’s worst phase in its history of cricket.Pakistan finished bottom in WTC, lost to Bangladesh at home , Fast bowlers are finished in Pakistan thanks to Aqib and Shan, that's the reality and not the dominant stew which is being sold
Babar and Rizwan are responsible for Pakistan’s worst phase in its history of cricket.
Do I care?That's the favourite topic, Rizwan and Babar whereas the fact is Shan is one of the worst captain from all playing nations having win % of 25, with mediocre average of 30
Infact he is the worst opener to play for Pakistan
But not losing doesn't mean winning. Not being able to beat Windies in a test series is still a poor return. They won a series by catching England off guard. It halted right there.They haven’t lost a Test series since the new strategy was employed, previously they were getting whitewashed at home. The recent drawn series wasn’t entirely dominant but the first Test was done within three days or so. When Misbah was captain people did a bhangra over UAE fortress when he drew so many series there, if that was categorised as dominant, why are the same people not putting this in that same vicinity, early days, but why not say they’re on that same path….
But not losing doesn't mean winning. Not being able to beat Windies in a test series is still a poor return. They won a series by catching England off guard. It halted right there.
That's the favourite topic, Rizwan and Babar whereas the fact is Shan is one of the worst captain from all playing nations having win % of 25, with mediocre average of 30
Infact he is the worst opener to play for Pakistan
Did Pakistan not comfortably win those 3 games at home after being mauled for 800 my England?Pakistan is dominating only in 1 area and that is embarrassing the nation. ABSOLUTE DOMINATION
Pakistan lost at home against Minnows Bangaldesh... then they lost a test against England... then they lost a test against windies... Is this domination?????Did Pakistan not comfortably win those 3 games at home after being mauled for 800 my England?
Pakistan lost at home against Minnows Bangaldesh... then they lost a test against England... then they lost a test against windies... Is this domination?????
Simple question
Is that the answer to my question before you asked your simple question???Pakistan lost at home against Minnows Bangaldesh... then they lost a test against England... then they lost a test against windies... Is this domination?????
Simple question
Bro it’s pretty clear that these recent wins at home are hurting Pakistan fans more than the oppositionAm not sure anymore, how many of these debates are arguing for the sake of arguing, surely people can’t be that silly that they rather be white washed on flat pitches then drawn series / have more of a shot at winning at home