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Ashes 2025-26: Australia vs England | 2nd Test | Gabba | December 04-08 | Match Discussion

Which side will win the pink ball Test?

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sweep_shot said:
England haven't won a Test in Australia in 14-15 years.

Last time they won a Test in Australia was in the 2010-2011 Ashes series.

Aussie pitches generally do not suit England in Test.
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I cant speak for past sessions. I have watched those games but I don't remember them so vividly.

I can only speak for what I'm viewing at present. At present england literally do not have bowlers for test cricket.

These bowlers are a god damn joke. Their best bowler Archer barely plays test and hardly knows how to bowl proper lines in test cricket to begin with.

Their spinners(not that their playing any, but if they were, are even worse then their donkey pacers)

They have no other method to beat Australia other then scoreboard pressure which doesnt work in aussie dens for obvious reasons.
 
TheSultan said:
I’m not asking for an entire season, I’m asking for a couple of innings. He is too shopworn to play a 5 test series. England should play him in selective games and in those games you bowl full pace. Otherwise don’t play.
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Why can't he play an entire season? Many pacers do it year after year.

Dale Steyn used to play full seasons. So do Starc, Cummins etc.

Jofra is very brittle I guess.
 
mominsaigol said:
I cant speak for past sessions. I have watched those games but I don't remember them so vividly.

I can only speak for what I'm viewing at present. At present england literally do not have bowlers for test cricket.

These bowlers are a god damn joke. Their best bowler Archer barely plays test and hardly knows how to bowl proper lines in test cricket to begin with.

Their spinners(not that their playing any, but if they were, are even worse then their donkey pacers)

They have no other method to beat Australia other then scoreboard pressure which doesnt work in aussie dens for obvious reasons.
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I think they would've lost even with good bowlers.

England had a killer Test team in 2013 Ashes and they still lost 0-5.

As a matter of fact, in 21st century, England have only won 4 out of 31 Tests in Australia.
 
sweep_shot said:
Why can't he play an entire season? Many pacers do it year after year.

Dale Steyn used to play full seasons. So do Starc, Cummins etc.

Jofra is very brittle I guess.
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That was my point. He’s too injury prone and shopworn. Steyn, Starc and Cummins are the gold standard for fitness. Archer is nowhere near that.

England have this obsession with Archer as some sort of short cut to success - he just ain’t that guy
 
TheSultan said:
That was my point. He’s too injury prone and shopworn. Steyn, Starc and Cummins are the gold standard for fitness. Archer is nowhere near that.

England have this obsession with Archer as some sort of short cut to success - he just ain’t that guy
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Yup.

For some reason, England treat Archer like he is Glenn McGrath. LOL.

Archer is overrated.
 
mominsaigol said:
He's viewed as a shoe in for Green. Now that Green came back he is not needed.

But when Khawaja got injured they decided to go with Inglis? I do not know why they decided that.
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Khawaja injuring his back is the best thing that has happened to Australian cricket in recent times. They probably end up giving him a token farewell test if Australia has already sealed the Ashes before Sydney test.
 
Independent Observer said:
Khawaja injuring his back is the best thing that has happened to Australian cricket in recent times. They probably end up giving him a token farewell test if Australia has already sealed the Ashes before Sydney test.
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I'm not happy with the aussie squad tbh. I'd have gone with

Id have Renshaw in the team as he's a better batsmen then Jack Weadtherland.

I'd also keep Beau Webster over Inglis.

For Khawaja if replace him with Cambell Kellaway.

The rest of the squad is fine though.
 
sweep_shot said:
That 264/9 declaration was possibly the worst Test declaration of all time.

It made a mockery of Test and England fittingly lost it.
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Basically @Devadwal tried to be oversmart and claimed England should have declared yesterday when they were 264/9.

He misread the conditions and disnt realise Archer would rattle Australia and take them to 300+.

His assessment of the conditions were wrong.

However like many posters like ryan ryan have pointed out, Rather then admitting he was wrong and being a man he tried to find excuses.

First it was the classic excuse that Its better to declare under lights, not realising that england would have gotten spanked yesterday with the old ball and a fresh aussie unit coming to bat and thereby nulling the lead in the yesterday session alone.

Then he claimed the pitch would deteriorate. I told him it wouldnt and he changed the subject to oh no the pitch will deteriorate In the 4th innings.

Like everyone knows the pitch deteriorates in the 4th innings 🤣🤣.

Ik he has an ego of not admitting that hes wrong, but how stupid can one get.

Not to mention he showed me examples of teams declaring and yet all those teams that did declare lost badly 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

Now his next gem is that stokes is better then every aussie bowler except Starc even though stokes is getting mauled by Australian batters atm.
 
RidiculousMan said:
@mominsaigol Weatherald looked a totally different batter today when he started playing rather aggressively.
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He's a decent batsmen and is aggressive but I still feel renshaw is a better batsmen.

Also while the pitch isnt a road its pretty easy to bat on tbf. Not taking credit away from Root or anything, But Besides him, England kinda batted poorly and it just shows how good starc truly is in Pink Ball.

Its a good innings but I dont rate him highly. I believe hes mostly a 38 avg batsmen in test as an opener.
 
mominsaigol said:
He's a decent batsmen and is aggressive but I still feel renshaw is a better batsmen.

Also while the pitch isnt a road its pretty easy to bat on tbf. Not taking credit away from Root or anything, But Besides him, England kinda batted poorly and it just shows how good starc truly is in Pink Ball.

Its a good innings but I dont rate him highly. I believe hes mostly a 38 avg batsmen in test as an opener.
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Renshaw opens the batting?
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Aussies bashed them.

I want England to win so series remains exciting but it's looking one sided again
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No one thought England stood a chance with this bowling lineup.

This bowling attack is dreadful and ive always maintained that England's batting lineup is not as good as people make it out to be.

Crawley and Pope are avg batters and arent difficult to eliminate.

Root is world class and is the big fish.

Brook and Ducket are solid batters but duckett does not have that world class ceiling. Harry Brook does but hes inexperienced at this stage.

Jamie smith is another class batsmen but is also inexperienced and itll take some time.

Ben Stokes is mostly washed up, that india series was the last gasp of air that he had left in his tank.

You can't beat Australia in Australia with this lineup. In England you can tbf.

In order for England to win this batting lineup would require support from the bowlers.

The bowling got exposed In the first Test against Head and now is getting exposed again.

Still I'm not happy with how people are bashing root. It was a world class innings given the fact that he's clearly facing a tougher bowling and fielding lineup and has weaker batting partners.
 
Devadwal said:
Better than any Australia pacer in this test barring Starc.this show how grabage are rest of australian Pacers 😂😂😂😂 :klopp :kp
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This is so easy to debunk with just one cricinfo ss but you're delusional so no point.

Cuco clock cuco clock, coco melon 🍈 😍 👏🏻 ❤️.
 
mominsaigol said:
No one thought England stood a chance with this bowling lineup.

This bowling attack is dreadful and ive always maintained that England's batting lineup is not as good as people make it out to be.

Crawley and Pope are avg batters and arent difficult to eliminate.

Root is world class and is the big fish.

Brook and Ducket are solid batters but duckett does not have that world class ceiling. Harry Brook does but hes inexperienced at this stage.

Jamie smith is another class batsmen but is also inexperienced and itll take some time.

Ben Stokes is mostly washed up, that india series was the last gasp of air that he had left in his tank.

You can't beat Australia in Australia with this lineup. In England you can tbf.

In order for England to win this batting lineup would require support from the bowlers.

The bowling got exposed In the first Test against Head and now is getting exposed again.

Still I'm not happy with how people are bashing root. It was a world class innings given the fact that he's clearly facing a tougher bowling and fielding lineup and has weaker batting partners.
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Bowling attack is ok man it's not the worst but Aussies have stepped up a gear even the finished players like Marnus have come into form.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Bowling attack is ok man it's not the worst but Aussies have stepped up a gear even the finished players like Marnus have come into form.
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Labu isn't finished 🤣. He was struggling overseas which he has been since the start of his career.

At home den he had one bad series in BGT only but even their he scored crucial 70+ runs helping Aus win the 4th test.

Hes never bad at home.
 
mominsaigol said:
Labu isn't finished 🤣. He was struggling overseas which he has been since the start of his career.

At home den he had one bad series in BGT only but even their he scored crucial 70+ runs helping Aus win the 4th test.

Hes never bad at home.
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Nah man he looked cooked and short in confidence too but stepped up on the big occasion again. I'm a fan of his but he did seem on a downward spiral.

Your batting analysis on England was pretty accurate btw.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
England V Pakistan is not a mega series
We don't claim it to be

It's obvious that to England and Australia Ashes cricket is the be all and end all..not sure why this hurts Indians so much.
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I know just giving it back to certain posters , he claimed England lost both test against India at home because England were preparing for the Ashes but not taking the series seriously. 😂

:klopp :kp
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Nah man he looked cooked and short in confidence too but stepped up on the big occasion again. I'm a fan of his but he did seem on a downward spiral.

Your batting analysis on England was pretty accurate btw.
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I agree he was short on confidence. I don't disagree.

I disagree on the part where you said he was finished. A player in their 30's with a decent track record doesn't become finished like that.

The only time ive ever witnessed a downward spiral was Pakistani players like babar azam, Umar akmal etc, but that was due to typical Pakistani culture of eating yourself to death and having fame get to your head when you become rich and successful.

Australian players have never suffered from that.
 
Independent Observer said:
This is even more obvious when you go and read the gora cricket forums. English and Australian fans relentlessly troll each other even when not playing each other.
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Agree about bolded parts , You're taking about real Australia/ England supporter. Here wannabe supporter are Praising England when no real Australia support them.

:klopp :kp
 
I always prefer the Ashes in England, seems a better atmosphere.

Bashir should have played, need some variation here, otherwise Aus will score over 500 and the series will be pretty much over after the 2nd test.
 
KingKhanWC said:
I always prefer the Ashes in England, seems a better atmosphere.

Bashir should have played, need some variation here, otherwise Aus will score over 500 and the series will be pretty much over after the 2nd test.
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The Ashes are very competitive in England, while in Australia it's a one-sided contest. This England team lacks the skill to win in Australia.

Not Many can win back to back series in australia. :bumrah :vk2:kp
 
McGrath did say yesterday that this pitch will get quicker on day 2.

Somewhat confirmed by the fact that OZ have scored 25 boundaries behind square in the first 50 overs - highest ever in a Test innings(since 2006) in the first 50 overs
 
Steve Smith is the 2nd Greatest test batsmen of all time after Don Bradman.

Root after surpassing Sachin's run tally will become no 3
 
Someone missing GOAT :bumrah to how to bundled out Australia in australia and win the match and series.

There is only one man can do this but unfortunately he is not play for England.

:klopp :kp
 
@Devadwal Ben Stokes 11.3 overs, 65 runs, 1 wicket.

Mashallah he's bowling so well. What a goat bowler. It's a shame England didnt declare under lights 👺. How dare Archer score 30+ runs
 
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