Asia Cup 2023 - biggest disaster ever for Pakistan cricket?

[GLORY OF '92]

NASEER HUSSAIN on Sky Sports:

"Never ever judge Pakistan by their performance in Asia cup. They are an ICC tournament side just like New Zealand. One day they will be mercurial but next day when stakes will be high, different Pakistan will turn on"

You know it! Pakistan is the most dangerous team in ICC tournaments - to hell with ACC comps!

Australia are the most dangerous....

 

[Technics 1210]

Australia are the most dangerous....

Predictable consistency is not dangerous, you can plan for consistency, unpredictably is dangerous, because you cannot plan for unpredictability.

 

[Rana]

India prepared for Pakistan’s unpredictability by wiping the floor with them by 228 runs

Sri Lanka prepared for a Pakistan team announced 24 hours prior to the game….but Pakistan displayed their unpredictability again and made 5 changes to that team….yet Sri Lanka embarrassed Pakistan again

 

[Civil]

Terrible tournament and definitely up there for biggest disaster. This one just hurts more because of our board's bungle up.

The only way we will win an ICC tournament is through an underdog heist. Anytime we are favourites it usually ends like this asia cup. So now I'm humble in the fact that we don't have world beaters and are not favourites. May we get some luck ahead.

 

[Technics 1210]

Pakistan was, is, and forever will be the most dangerous side in ICC tournaments. Heck, every professional international cricketer, past or present, will testify to this fact.

Luck favours every team. In 1983 WC, luck was on India's side. 2011, luck was on India's side again when 2 of the top SL bowlers mysteriously were injured in the final - hmmmmm. Luck was with England in 2019, who despite not able to beat NZ's score in the final, won the WC through a fluke attribute, and will forever have an asterisks to their WC win.

 

[Rana]

Pakistan was, is, and forever will be the most dangerous side in ICC tournaments. Heck, every professional international cricketer, past or present, will testify to this fact.

Luck favours every team. In 1983 WC, luck was on India's side. 2011, luck was on India's side again when 2 of the top SL bowlers mysteriously were injured in the final - hmmmmm. Luck was with England in 2019, who despite not able to beat NZ's score in the final, won the WC through a fluke attribute, and will forever have an asterisks to their WC win.

What do you mean by ‘dangerous’? The Aussies have no issues 99.9% of the time humbling us.

 

[SM1989]

Yeah yeah, rankings do not mean a thing when Pakistan are top, but when india are top, rankings are a true reflection.

What matters is how many ICC and ACC trophies you hold.

 

[Bewal Express]

No it doesn't and you've already acknowledged to me that IK is worthy of blame for Misbah's appointment so don't change your tune bc.

Mickey has just started his second stint as Pakistan coach. He's always had to come in to clean up Misbah's mess. First it was when he was captain and now after his presence as CS and Head Coach.

Mickey won the CT because he didn't let his players adopt the Misbah school of thought.

Everyone wanted Mickey out or history being rewritten on here. The idea of the Director of cricket was excellent but Misbah didn't grab the opportunities available. So Misbah didn't work out by Babar got us into a SF and Final, something we haven't seen since 2009 but there were some poor results. Mickey is back and nothing much is different, so that should tell you that's its an institutional issue. We aren't producing good cricketers in large enough numbers to be consistently competitive, and that's been the case for more than 25 years

 

[Technics 1210]

What matters is how many ICC and ACC trophies you hold.

In your world, I guess when India holds the trophies.

Interestingly ACC trophies are now so important!

As I said, rankings are irrelevant when Pakistan top them, but relevant when other teams top the rankings, according to the likes of your thinking.

 

[ArabKnight]

NASEER HUSSAIN on Sky Sports:

"Never ever judge Pakistan by their performance in Asia cup. They are an ICC tournament side just like New Zealand. One day they will be mercurial but next day when stakes will be high, different Pakistan will turn on"

You know it! Pakistan is the most dangerous team in ICC tournaments - to hell with ACC comps!

Seems like Naseer Hussain has a crush on Pakistan.

I never seen someone support a team so much even though the team is in total shambles.

 

[Technics 1210]

Seems like Naseer Hussain has a crush on Pakistan.

I never seen someone support a team so much even though the team is in total shambles.

Then you must be following cricket in the 2020s.

Lets take ADB for example, he supports India above SA, even had them as favourites between Pakistan amd Afghanistan.

 

[ArabKnight]

Then you must be following cricket in the 2020s.

Lets take ADB for example, he supports India above SA, even had them as favourites between Pakistan amd Afghanistan.

That’s because he’s getting paid for that.

 

[Technics 1210]

That’s because he’s getting paid for that.

Irrelevant. You said that you have never seen someone support a team so much even though the team is in total shambles. I gave you an example.

 

[ChTab]

Players like Rizwan, Imam, Shadab, Nawaz, Fakhar -- they just don't have the talent and skill to perform against today's top teams.

Add Babar, Shaheen & Rauf to this list as well.

 

[kron]

In your world, I guess when India holds the trophies.

Interestingly ACC trophies are now so important!

As I said, rankings are irrelevant when Pakistan top them, but relevant when other teams top the rankings, according to the likes of your thinking.

double standards is indeed hilarious. suddenly asia cup matters now? its a great practice tournament but thats all it is. A mere stepping stone for teams to decide on combos.

 

[kron]

What do you mean by ‘dangerous’? The Aussies have no issues 99.9% of the time humbling us.

not in asia. we can easily beat them in asia.

 

[kron]

Pakistan was, is, and forever will be the most dangerous side in ICC tournaments. Heck, every professional international cricketer, past or present, will testify to this fact.

Luck favours every team. In 1983 WC, luck was on India's side. 2011, luck was on India's side again when 2 of the top SL bowlers mysteriously were injured in the final - hmmmmm. Luck was with England in 2019, who despite not able to beat NZ's score in the final, won the WC through a fluke attribute, and will forever have an asterisks to their WC win.

memory is foggy. which 2 bowlers got injured before the game technics?
now that you mention that, i do recall a key player to be missing.
something fishy happened in the t20 final as welll back in 2014. yuvraj batting slow, its almost like they were trying to appease each other by exchanging gifts in the form of trophies.

 

[Hitman]

not in asia. we can easily beat them in asia.

Their full strength team will make a mincemeat out of you wherever you play them.

 

[kron]

Their full strength team will make a mincemeat out of you wherever you play them.

I would like to see that
I highly doubt it.

 

[Hitman]

I would like to see that
I highly doubt it.

I believe their full strength team will get the better of us as well.

 

[kron]

I believe their full strength team will get the better of us as well.

depends on the pitch. on flat decks toss may play a huge role.
on turners, i dont see australia surviving.

 

[Hitman]

depends on the pitch. on flat decks toss may play a huge role.
on turners, i dont see australia surviving.

The Aussies are a completely different breed.

 

[ezhil]

But for india this has been a dream turnaround....
We crushed arch rivals by record margin.
And then swatted out lanka in their own country chasing and winning a near perfect final .
I didnt expect the sweet revenge for 54all out .

 

[Hitman]

But for india this has been a dream turnaround....
We crushed arch rivals by record margin.
And then swatted out lanka in their own country chasing and winning a near perfect final .
I didnt expect the sweet revenge for 54all out .

Finally I can get that defeat behind me.

 

[Mamoon]

NASEER HUSSAIN on Sky Sports:

"Never ever judge Pakistan by their performance in Asia cup. They are an ICC tournament side just like New Zealand. One day they will be mercurial but next day when stakes will be high, different Pakistan will turn on"

You know it! Pakistan is the most dangerous team in ICC tournaments - to hell with ACC comps!

You didn’t need to waste 5 seconds and write his name.

Everyone knows that only he is capable of such cliched nonsense.

 

[owenhcricket]

Some of you must not have watched the 2007 world cup campaign...

 

[pillionrider]

A day after India thrashed the 2nd best team in Asia...

A few days after India pummeled Pakistan despite the comedy skits on your channels mocking Indian openers...

Going on insane pro-Pakistan and anti-India benders after this, and this too on a Monday, only exposes your wounds further and makes you look plain silly

 

[MenInG]

A day after India thrashed the 2nd best team in Asia...

A few days after India pummeled Pakistan despite the comedy skits on your channels mocking Indian openers...

Going on insane pro-Pakistan and anti-India benders after this, and this too on a Monday, only exposes your wounds further and makes you look plain silly

So what, we turn ourselves into pro India muppets and play dead?

Everyone has a view.

 

[pillionrider]

So what, we turn ourselves into pro India muppets and play dead?

Everyone has a view.

Being pro Pakistan doesn't mean someone has to go all anti-India. There are some posters who've been on this bender last 24 hours.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

So what, we turn ourselves into pro India muppets and play dead?

Everyone has a view.

Fans of the #1 ODI team with #1 batter and #1 pace trio don't really need to resort to that, Miggy Bhai.

You only had 2 bad days in Asia Cup. World Cup is a different kettle of fish and Pakistan is sure to play like the favourites they believe they are.

 

[Technics 1210]

You didn’t need to waste 5 seconds and write his name.

Everyone knows that only he is capable of such cliched nonsense.

I bet you will not say the same once you discover what he had to say about your beloved Indian team in the upcoming World Cup.

Not everyone's hate towards Pakistan is a biased and hypocritical as yours.

 

[RexRex]

You didn’t need to waste 5 seconds and write his name.

Everyone knows that only he is capable of such cliched nonsense.

Nas will henceforth be known as Cliche Hussain on this forum. Never seen someone more patronising towards Pakistan.

 

[Technics 1210]

A day after India thrashed the 2nd best team in Asia...

A few days after India pummeled Pakistan despite the comedy skits on your channels mocking Indian openers...

Going on insane pro-Pakistan and anti-India benders after this, and this too on a Monday, only exposes your wounds further and makes you look plain silly

Awwww, but I guess it's ok for you when an anti-Pakistani goes pro-India - just like the OP.

 

[pillionrider]

Awwww, but I guess it's ok for you when an anti-Pakistani goes pro-India - just like the OP.

I actually am not comfortable with a Pakistani singing praises of India. Respect is nice but anything over the top feels awkward.

As for OP, I am more than sure he is a Pakistani living in Pakistan. I also believe, unlike many here, that he is actually one of the more patriotic Pakistanis going around. Might sound ridiculous to you, but I think his criticism stems from a place of deep concern for what he holds close to his heart.

 

[Technics 1210]

I actually am not comfortable with a Pakistani singing praises of India. Respect is nice but anything over the top feels awkward.

As for OP, I am more than sure he is a Pakistani living in Pakistan. I also believe, unlike many here, that he is actually one of the more patriotic Pakistanis going around. Might sound ridiculous to you, but I think his criticism stems from a place of deep concern for what he holds close to his heart.

I am not interested in who/what/where the OP is, I just find it remarkable that Indian supporters have an issue with Pro Pakistani fans dissing Indian cricket - hardly shocking because I do not see Indian supporters complain about it the other way too.

You say you are not comfortable with a Pakistan fan singing praises of India, but as far as I know you have never complained about this. This was my point.

 

[mominsaigol]

4 accumulators at the top, non existent middle order, non existent spin department and a world class trio that is played every match in order to suffer from injuries at every turn.

What could possibly go wrong?

 

[Rana]

4 accumulators at the top, non existent middle order, non existent spin department and a world class trio that is played every match in order to suffer from injuries at every turn.

What could possibly go wrong?

It’s the Pakistan way bro

We know it better than others

 

[Stewie]

I hope some of those who are enjoying the failed Asia Cup campaign are still here towards the end of the World Cup because ..

Whether we win the World Cup or not a few things will straighten themselves out. Pakistan is one of the top 3 ODI sides in the world. If you don’t believe it, then stick around and see how things go.

Pakistan has three batsmen who are easily amongst the top 6 or 7 in the world. They will be the star performers in the World Cup.

Pakistan has the best pace attack (with or without Naseem) and this will be proven as well.

The only concern is the middle overs and a wicket taking spinner. I would be curious to see how that pans out. But Shadab is expected to bowl better in 100% sure of it because he did horrible so the only way is up.


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[Mesozoic]

I can count 5-6 bigger ones...

 

[pillionrider]

I am not interested in who/what/where the OP is

Oh, I just used the opportunity to enlighten people here. I like doing that from time to time

You say you are not comfortable with a Pakistan fan singing praises of India, but as far as I know you have never complained about this. This was my point.

On a forum, it makes more sense to find a post someone made, rather than refer to the absence of one.

 

[Mp812]

It was a disaster for Pakistan team alright but mostly a self created one. The players and fans got caught up in a lie\hype they themselves created which was our bowling attack will just blow away other sides . The main hype was team India cannot handle our "worlds best bowling attack"simply because of 2021 t20 india pakistan result.

They forgot to take into account that other team was capable of creating a counter strategy to tackle bowlers. India learnt their lesson and came up with plan and eventually scored 350 odd.

The other myth was Indian bowling is full of trundlers and incapable of taking wickets especially Pakistan wickets just because in 2021 a 10 wkt victory was achieved by Pakistan.

Pakistan fans just assumed the script would rerun. The moment script took a different direction, there was no plan B and everything then bombed into disastrous campaign.

Eventually Pakistan is now the no 1 ranked team in world and 4th ranked in Asia cup and in all probability the so called no 1 ranked team in the world will be entering a world cup not even as favorite but probably as a dark horse ..a team completely dependent on luck factor going their way in multiple games.

 

[Technics 1210]

On a forum, it makes more sense to find a post someone made, rather than refer to the absence of one.

You are having a laugh, there are quite a few Pakistani supporters praising India. The OP is just one example.

 

[mominsaigol]

I hope some of those who are enjoying the failed Asia Cup campaign are still here towards the end of the World Cup because ..

Whether we win the World Cup or not a few things will straighten themselves out. Pakistan is one of the top 3 ODI sides in the world. If you don’t believe it, then stick around and see how things go.

Pakistan has three batsmen who are easily amongst the top 6 or 7 in the world. They will be the star performers in the World Cup.

Pakistan has the best pace attack (with or without Naseem) and this will be proven as well.

The only concern is the middle overs and a wicket taking spinner. I would be curious to see how that pans out. But Shadab is expected to bowl better in 100% sure of it because he did horrible so the only way is up.


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"Pakistan is one of the top 3 odi sides in the world, if you don't believe it, stick around and see how things go"

We stuck around this whole Asia cup , if we finished bottom at the super 4 stage, then why would the world cup he any different? Especially considering winning the Asia cup which at this point is just a tri series between SL, Pak, And India is much easier then winning a cup where SENA is involved.

"Pak has 3 batsmen who easily are amongst the top 6 or 7 in the world"

Which 3 batsmen are you talking about? I'm gonna assume babar, Imam and Rizwan. Neither of these chads are top 6/7. These 3 are below Johnny bairstow, Butler, Ben Stokes, Shubman Gill, Virat Kohli, Steve smith, Kane Williamson, David malan. I can keep going on and on. But I just named you 7 batsmen who are superior XD.

"Pak has the best pace attack with or without naseem"

Without naseem we are shooting ourselves in the foot. Also we do not have the best pace attack. Bumrah is superior to our trio. Naseem is world class and easily uptheir with the likes of stark and hazlewood( yes I'm not even kidding, naseem is glenn mcgrath Level of line and length), but shaheen is no where near the top pacers of the world, he's a bang Average middle overs and death bowler. As for Rauf, Rauf is basically Liam plunkett 2.0, a good wicket taker but expensive usually. He isn't superior to many pace attacks.

Australian and Indian pace attack is superior to us, so is NZ. England is debatable but without naseem they are 100% superior to us.

"The only concern is the middle overs and wicket taking spinner, but shadab is expected to bowl better, I'm 100% Sure of it"

The middle order is non existent with the exception of chacha who's a mediocre bat, and isn't doing well against 1st string sides. The rest aren't even a factor if we go with agha, Shadab and nawaz/Faheem which is what Pakistan usually goes with.

The spin department that we rely on is one of the worst I've ever seen. Shadab is horrible. Nawaz isn't horrible but he's extremely defensive and a bottler under pressure.

It's really usama and abrar. Abrar is an excellent variation spinner but he's slow and I'm worried in odi that'll expose him. Usama is good but he has zero variation and is mostly reliant on line, length and bounce meaning he'll only function on spinning wickets. He's still a good bet due to the tournament taking place in India.

As for winning the world cup, bro cricket is an unpredictable sport so any team can win the World Cup from pak, India, Sena and even Sri Lanka at this point. But that doesn't mean we are a top 3 odi side.

Do a proper player analysis and compare side by side and you'll see why we ain't no 1 or 2 or 3.

 

[Stewie]

"Pakistan is one of the top 3 odi sides in the world, if you don't believe it, stick around and see how things go"

We stuck around this whole Asia cup , if we finished bottom at the super 4 stage, then why would the world cup he any different? Especially considering winning the Asia cup which at this point is just a tri series between SL, Pak, And India is much easier then winning a cup where SENA is involved.

"Pak has 3 batsmen who easily are amongst the top 6 or 7 in the world"

Which 3 batsmen are you talking about? I'm gonna assume babar, Imam and Rizwan. Neither of these chads are top 6/7. These 3 are below Johnny bairstow, Butler, Ben Stokes, Shubman Gill, Virat Kohli, Steve smith, Kane Williamson, David malan. I can keep going on and on. But I just named you 7 batsmen who are superior XD.

"Pak has the best pace attack with or without naseem"

Without naseem we are shooting ourselves in the foot. Also we do not have the best pace attack. Bumrah is superior to our trio. Naseem is world class and easily uptheir with the likes of stark and hazlewood( yes I'm not even kidding, naseem is glenn mcgrath Level of line and length), but shaheen is no where near the top pacers of the world, he's a bang Average middle overs and death bowler. As for Rauf, Rauf is basically Liam plunkett 2.0, a good wicket taker but expensive usually. He isn't superior to many pace attacks.

Australian and Indian pace attack is superior to us, so is NZ. England is debatable but without naseem they are 100% superior to us.

"The only concern is the middle overs and wicket taking spinner, but shadab is expected to bowl better, I'm 100% Sure of it"

The middle order is non existent with the exception of chacha who's a mediocre bat, and isn't doing well against 1st string sides. The rest aren't even a factor if we go with agha, Shadab and nawaz/Faheem which is what Pakistan usually goes with.

The spin department that we rely on is one of the worst I've ever seen. Shadab is horrible. Nawaz isn't horrible but he's extremely defensive and a bottler under pressure.

It's really usama and abrar. Abrar is an excellent variation spinner but he's slow and I'm worried in odi that'll expose him. Usama is good but he has zero variation and is mostly reliant on line, length and bounce meaning he'll only function on spinning wickets. He's still a good bet due to the tournament taking place in India.

As for winning the world cup, bro cricket is an unpredictable sport so any team can win the World Cup from pak, India, Sena and even Sri Lanka at this point. But that doesn't mean we are a top 3 odi side.

Do a proper player analysis and compare side by side and you'll see why we ain't no 1 or 2 or 3.

Like I said... Stick around!

 

[Savak]

I have a fear that the massive reality shock and the realization by the players that they are not as good enough as they thought they were compared to their opponents now means that the team overall is in a very fragile state of mind.

It reminds me of the 2003 ODI WC campaign where the Pakistani team was in good form and were very confident about their chances in the upcoming WC after beating Australia in Australia. Then we went through a torrid 6 months period where we faced South Africa, Sri Lanka, Australia and were hammered by them. We had a poor Champions Trophy and then had a horrible Australian home series and a terrible tour of South Africa and the team's confidence going into the 2003 ODI WC was at an all time low.

It reflected in our performances against all the main teams and end result was one of the worst WC campaigns in our history.

 

[Suleiman]

I have a fear that the massive reality shock and the realization by the players that they are not as good enough as they thought they were compared to their opponents now means that the team overall is in a very fragile state of mind.

It reminds me of the 2003 ODI WC campaign where the Pakistani team was in good form and were very confident about their chances in the upcoming WC after beating Australia in Australia. Then we went through a torrid 6 months period where we faced South Africa, Sri Lanka, Australia and were hammered by them. We had a poor Champions Trophy and then had a horrible Australian home series and a terrible tour of South Africa and the team's confidence going into the 2003 ODI WC was at an all time low.

It reflected in our performances against all the main teams and end result was one of the worst WC campaigns in our history.

Different scenarios. One had players past their prime, while the current one has players in their prime.

The writing was on the wall for the 2003 team to be replanned, but no one took heed of the warning.

This one just needs a good spinner or 2. It’s the best we have more or less.

 

[RainStopsPlay]

I hope some of those who are enjoying the failed Asia Cup campaign are still here towards the end of the World Cup because ..

Whether we win the World Cup or not a few things will straighten themselves out. Pakistan is one of the top 3 ODI sides in the world. If you don’t believe it, then stick around and see how things go.

Pakistan has three batsmen who are easily amongst the top 6 or 7 in the world. They will be the star performers in the World Cup.

Pakistan has the best pace attack (with or without Naseem) and this will be proven as well.

The only concern is the middle overs and a wicket taking spinner. I would be curious to see how that pans out. But Shadab is expected to bowl better in 100% sure of it because he did horrible so the only way is up.


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I stopped reading after 'Pakistan among top 3 ODI sides'... The amount of delusion. hahaha!

 

[Stewie]

dont go too far and if you

I stopped reading after 'Pakistan among top 3 ODI sides'... The amount of delusion. hahaha!

Good, focus on those blades and your wrists if you are Pakistani and I have nothing to say if you are Indian. lol

 

[Stewie]

 

[Stewie]

Some Pakistani fans these days ....

 

[msb314]

I have a fear that the massive reality shock and the realization by the players that they are not as good enough as they thought they were compared to their opponents now means that the team overall is in a very fragile state of mind.

It reminds me of the 2003 ODI WC campaign where the Pakistani team was in good form and were very confident about their chances in the upcoming WC after beating Australia in Australia. Then we went through a torrid 6 months period where we faced South Africa, Sri Lanka, Australia and were hammered by them. We had a poor Champions Trophy and then had a horrible Australian home series and a terrible tour of South Africa and the team's confidence going into the 2003 ODI WC was at an all time low.

It reflected in our performances against all the main teams and end result was one of the worst WC campaigns in our history.

So when was the last WC we went to on a good run of form?

Before the 2007 WC we lost to SAF in SAF and had a poor 2006 CT

Before the 2011 WC - we lost to SAF in UAE and were reeling from the match fixing scandal..

Before 2015 WC - we lost ODI series to Aus, NZ in UAE and in NZ..

Before 2019 WC we lost 5-0 to England lol

 

[mominsaigol]

Like I said... Stick around!

Stick around for what? 2027? 2031? 2035? Bhai at this rate all of us will pass away before Pakistan wins a world cup.

Only way we are ever winning a world cup and bringing pride to our country is by stop being nepotsitic and actually giving players chances.

Saim ayub is doing Killer performances at the cpl and he's only 21, so why isn't he our opener and being groomed for the future?

Why are Abdullah, Tayyab and Saud just water boys? Why didn't babar Try these players?

Everyone keeps telling me we do not have the talent and what not, bhai talent tabh hi ai ga if we actually groom players.

The only batsmen we cultivated since the misbah Dark days are fakhar, Imam, Haris Sohail and babar.

The rest are all garbage due to our nepotsitic culture. Fakhar fizzled out but if a player fizzles out then introduce new blood, which we do not do. Imam and Babar are decent but imagine if we destroyed the 2 of them by playing them out of position or had them as water boys. As for haris sohail, Fitness tradegy so bad luck ig.

Zero squad rotation + captains relying on their personal buddies + PCB selectors relying on personal nepotism like faheem and Shan masood is what kills our cricket.

It was bad in the misbah era, Improved in the sarfraz era due to mickey cultivating 3 openers and establishing a solid no 5 in haris sohail.

But it's regressed again due to the babar azam buddy system. I knew this day would eventually come, because what would happen if our cultivated players would fizzle out? Management is now clueless on how to find replacements for fakhar and haris sohail.

For india dhawan fizzled out, so did suresh raina, You know what India did? Replace them shubman and kishan. And bingo, problem solved.

 

[RexRex]

Good, focus on those blades and your wrists if you are Pakistani and I have nothing to say if you are Indian. lol

Hard to know who is Indian and who is Pakistani. Bring back country flags please @MenInG

 

[rickroll]

Stick around for what? 2027? 2031? 2035? Bhai at this rate all of us will pass away before Pakistan wins a world cup.

Only way we are ever winning a world cup and bringing pride to our country is by stop being nepotsitic and actually giving players chances.

Saim ayub is doing Killer performances at the cpl and he's only 21, so why isn't he our opener and being groomed for the future?

Why are Abdullah, Tayyab and Saud just water boys? Why didn't babar Try these players?

Everyone keeps telling me we do not have the talent and what not, bhai talent tabh hi ai ga if we actually groom players.

The only batsmen we cultivated since the misbah Dark days are fakhar, Imam, Haris Sohail and babar.

The rest are all garbage due to our nepotsitic culture. Fakhar fizzled out but if a player fizzles out then introduce new blood, which we do not do. Imam and Babar are decent but imagine if we destroyed the 2 of them by playing them out of position or had them as water boys. As for haris sohail, Fitness tradegy so bad luck ig.

Zero squad rotation + captains relying on their personal buddies + PCB selectors relying on personal nepotism like faheem and Shan masood is what kills our cricket.

It was bad in the misbah era, Improved in the sarfraz era due to mickey cultivating 3 openers and establishing a solid no 5 in haris sohail.

But it's regressed again due to the babar azam buddy system. I knew this day would eventually come, because what would happen if our cultivated players would fizzle out? Management is now clueless on how to find replacements for fakhar and haris sohail.

For india dhawan fizzled out, so did suresh raina, You know what India did? Replace them shubman and kishan. And bingo, problem solved.

Stellar points and good comparison here.

 

[VForVendetta]

not in asia. we can easily beat them in asia.

Australia have won 3 icc trophies in asia, Pakistan have won zlich,not even one single final. On those 3 Pak were knocked out twice from semis, both by Aussies, the other one was an embarrassing 1st round departure.They have defeated you in last 4 meetings in various tournaments. So I wouldn't take a win against them as some sort of guarantee. If given a choice of picking one asian team as opponent on crunch matches /knockouts they would blindly accept Pak instead of Ind/Sri.

 

[light]

No one is going to mention that both BD/SL played with a weak/second-string team because of injuries and still made it above Pak on the points table.

 

[pakrock]

It's just an Asia cup. We are glad disaster happened in Asia cup rather than world cup..

 

[Kriketer]

These Pakistani fans panicking is actually comical to read. It's like they just started following Pakistan cricket. Hold on to your fuss and cries and panics, you will get to taste the humble pie. Yes, Pakistan are among the top 3 teams to win the World Cup.

And a few post above writing off Shaheen as a bowler, one can only LOL at such naive statements. One bad game and they are sweating like it's the end of times

 

[Ab Fan]

But for india this has been a dream turnaround....
We crushed arch rivals by record margin.
And then swatted out lanka in their own country chasing and winning a near perfect final .
I didnt expect the sweet revenge for 54all out .

Undoubtedly, Asia Cup 2023 is like a dream tournament.

1.We smashed arch rivals by record margin.
2.We took that long pending revenge from Sri Lankans for the painful memories we had during Jayasuriya's time by bowling them out at 50.
3. The close loss vs BD somehow doesn't hurt this time either. They were professional and respected this Indian team.

 

[adi_62941]

Stick around for what? 2027? 2031? 2035? Bhai at this rate all of us will pass away before Pakistan wins a world cup.

Only way we are ever winning a world cup and bringing pride to our country is by stop being nepotsitic and actually giving players chances.

Saim ayub is doing Killer performances at the cpl and he's only 21, so why isn't he our opener and being groomed for the future?

Why are Abdullah, Tayyab and Saud just water boys? Why didn't babar Try these players?

Everyone keeps telling me we do not have the talent and what not, bhai talent tabh hi ai ga if we actually groom players.

The only batsmen we cultivated since the misbah Dark days are fakhar, Imam, Haris Sohail and babar.

The rest are all garbage due to our nepotsitic culture. Fakhar fizzled out but if a player fizzles out then introduce new blood, which we do not do. Imam and Babar are decent but imagine if we destroyed the 2 of them by playing them out of position or had them as water boys. As for haris sohail, Fitness tradegy so bad luck ig.

Zero squad rotation + captains relying on their personal buddies + PCB selectors relying on personal nepotism like faheem and Shan masood is what kills our cricket.

It was bad in the misbah era, Improved in the sarfraz era due to mickey cultivating 3 openers and establishing a solid no 5 in haris sohail.

But it's regressed again due to the babar azam buddy system. I knew this day would eventually come, because what would happen if our cultivated players would fizzle out? Management is now clueless on how to find replacements for fakhar and haris sohail.

For india dhawan fizzled out, so did suresh raina, You know what India did? Replace them shubman and kishan. And bingo, problem solved.

Babar and all these players come from a conservative background and have limited thinking capacity because they leave 75% of the job to Allah and prepare for only 25%, quickly becoming satisfied with less. This became the story of our team post-2000s when this Tablighi and Namaz-on-ground type of culture was introduced by Saeed Anwar and his colleagues.

With this kind of approach, of course, you can win some matches, but not the important ones. We are trying to fit Babar into shoes that are not designed for him

 

[adi_62941]

Babar and all these players come from a conservative background and have limited thinking capacity because they leave 75% of the job to Allah and prepare for only 25%, quickly becoming satisfied with less. This became the story of our team post-2000s when this Tablighi and Namaz-on-ground type of culture was introduced by Saeed Anwar and his colleagues.

With this kind of approach, of course, you can win some matches, but not the important ones. We are trying to fit Babar into shoes that are not designed for him

In continuation of the above, we need to abolish this 'yaari-dosti' culture. This is why all these players oppose the selection of a competent foreign coach because they know a foreign coach cannot tolerate this flawed mindset at this level

 

[Rana]

These Pakistani fans panicking is actually comical to read. It's like they just started following Pakistan cricket. Hold on to your fuss and cries and panics, you will get to taste the humble pie. Yes, Pakistan are among the top 3 teams to win the World Cup.

And a few post above writing off Shaheen as a bowler, one can only LOL at such naive statements. One bad game and they are sweating like it's the end of times

I would suggest humility

Baaqi aapki marzi

 

[kron]

Australia have won 3 icc trophies in asia, Pakistan have won zlich,not even one single final. On those 3 Pak were knocked out twice from semis, both by Aussies, the other one was an embarrassing 1st round departure.They have defeated you in last 4 meetings in various tournaments. So I wouldn't take a win against them as some sort of guarantee. If given a choice of picking one asian team as opponent on crunch matches /knockouts they would blindly accept Pak instead of Ind/Sri.

This Aussie is a nobody. Cummins is not a great odi bowler. Also nursing injuries.
Starc is well past his best.
Great hazlewood just had an Injury. Zampa is zampa

Nothing special. Their batters are alright on flat desks. They can smash teams with their aggressive batting. Pitches won't be flat in India. Australia will get found out this time. Won't be able to fluke away with a t20 wc win like last time.

 

[BouncerGuy]

We cannot write off any team such as Pakistan Australia or even South Africa. It is too early to say anything but I am looking at England, Australia, India, and Pakistan in the semis.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Predictable consistency is not dangerous, you can plan for consistency, unpredictably is dangerous, because you cannot plan for unpredictability.

Predictably consistent teams have won all World Cups starting from 1992(Lanka in '96 being the sole exception ) . Only SL's unpredictability actually caused an unexpected win.

 

[Rana]

This Aussie is a nobody. Cummins is not a great odi bowler. Also nursing injuries.
Starc is well past his best.
Great hazlewood just had an Injury. Zampa is zampa

Nothing special. Their batters are alright on flat desks. They can smash teams with their aggressive batting. Pitches won't be flat in India. Australia will get found out this time. Won't be able to fluke away with a t20 wc win like last time.

Who has more chances of winning the World Cup this year? Australia or Pakistan?

 

[VForVendetta]

This Aussie is a nobody. Cummins is not a great odi bowler. Also nursing injuries.
Starc is well past his best.
Great hazlewood just had an Injury. Zampa is zampa

Nothing special. Their batters are alright on flat desks. They can smash teams with their aggressive batting. Pitches won't be flat in India. Australia will get found out this time. Won't be able to fluke away with a t20 wc win like last time.

This "nobody" team defeated India In India as recently as March, that too on mostly tricky wickets, not flat pancakes. They are the only side since SA in 2015 who can boast of winning odi series In India, that too twice. You are claiming Starc is past his prime & yet all the great Indian batters found him nearly unplayable on that series. They have Smith, one of the greatest players of spin, who will tackle the issues if wickets are slow & turning. There's no atg team at the moment, but if Aus is not one of the top 3/4 sides in the world along with Ind & Eng, then I want to know who else are. If you or anybody want to knock them down simply based on their recent SA series then you also should keep in mind that Starc, Cummins, Maxwell & Smith couldn't play that series.
Since 96, Aus have always come up either on top or near in every world cup (2011 being the exception). They always become a completely different beast during world cup season. So I simply don't understand how/why you are treating them as some sort of minnow/mediocre level team. Also how exactly did they fluke away that t20 wc win? They won 6 out of 7 matches, defeated Pak,SA & NZ. Fluke would've been if Pak won last t20 wc, fluke was how Eng won the 19 final.

 

[Rana]

This "nobody" team defeated India In India as recently as March, that too on mostly tricky wickets, not flat pancakes. They are the only side since SA in 2015 who can boast of winning odi series In India, that too twice. You are claiming Starc is past his prime & yet all the great Indian batters found him nearly unplayable on that series. They have Smith, one of the greatest players of spin, who will tackle the issues if wickets are slow & turning. There's no atg team at the moment, but if Aus is not one of the top 3/4 sides in the world along with Ind & Eng, then I want to know who else are. If you or anybody want to knock them down simply based on their recent SA series then you also should keep in mind that Starc, Cummins, Maxwell & Smith couldn't play that series.
Since 96, Aus have always come up either on top or near in every world cup (2011 being the exception). They always become a completely different beast during world cup season. So I simply don't understand how/why you are treating them as some sort of minnow/mediocre level team. Also how exactly did they fluke away that t20 wc win? They won 6 out of 7 matches, defeated Pak,SA & NZ. Fluke would've been if Pak won last t20 wc, fluke was how Eng won the 19 final.

The nobody team sounds like he is describing Sri Lanka or West Indies

 

[kron]

Who has more chances of winning the World Cup this year? Australia or Pakistan?

Pakistan easily. We will whip them this time in India. When are under pressure, we will deliver. With this bowling attack I fully believe we can get the job done.

 

[kron]

This "nobody" team defeated India In India as recently as March, that too on mostly tricky wickets, not flat pancakes. They are the only side since SA in 2015 who can boast of winning odi series In India, that too twice. You are claiming Starc is past his prime & yet all the great Indian batters found him nearly unplayable on that series. They have Smith, one of the greatest players of spin, who will tackle the issues if wickets are slow & turning. There's no atg team at the moment, but if Aus is not one of the top 3/4 sides in the world along with Ind & Eng, then I want to know who else are. If you or anybody want to knock them down simply based on their recent SA series then you also should keep in mind that Starc, Cummins, Maxwell & Smith couldn't play that series.
Since 96, Aus have always come up either on top or near in every world cup (2011 being the exception). They always become a completely different beast during world cup season. So I simply don't understand how/why you are treating them as some sort of minnow/mediocre level team. Also how exactly did they fluke away that t20 wc win? They won 6 out of 7 matches, defeated Pak,SA & NZ. Fluke would've been if Pak won last t20 wc, fluke was how Eng won the 19 final.

Fluke was how wade fluked some runs vs shaheen. So many dropped catches. Was like a hail Mary punch out of sheer necessity.
Replay that game again and we would whip them easily.

Even in 2015 in the Ko game we had them hurt. Watson should have been gone. Dropped catches cost us again. That drop was a lollipop. This team has all older players from that era.
They may have beaten India in India? So ? Those pitches weren't exactly turners. Was India full strength at the time?

I am not saying aus can't win. I have them as top 2 but in the KO i fully believe we are capable or beating them. This Aussie team is not like Ponting's team. They can be beaten. They aren't invincible. Lots of holes.

Head is put injured now. Cummins is not a good odi bowler. Their depth in fast bowling is poor. Spinner is zampa who can destroy indian batting but he won't trouble us much.
Imam will tonk him.

Mitch Marsh stoinis are key all rounders and that's where their strength lies. Batsmen who can bowl. They aren't some superlative team that is well and truly above others. They have plenty of holes that can be exploited. Warner isn't a spring chicken. He can be troubled by raw pace which we have in abundance.
Head has serious holes against bounce. Carey can't play it either. He struggles vs pace.

Tim David is just a tulla

BTW the only fluke is you guys pulling a win cause of a fluke innings by virat.

 

[kron]

The nobody team sounds like he is describing Sri Lanka or West Indies

Nobody compared to the great Ponting side. Am I wrong there? They have holes. They can be easily beaten. They aren't invincible.

 

[VForVendetta]

Fluke was how wade fluked some runs vs shaheen. So many dropped catches. Was like a hail Mary punch out of sheer necessity.
Replay that game again and we would whip them easily.

Even in 2015 in the Ko game we had them hurt. Watson should have been gone. Dropped catches cost us again. That drop was a lollipop. This team has all older players from that era.
They may have beaten India in India? So ? Those pitches weren't exactly turners. Was India full strength at the time?

I am not saying aus can't win. I have them as top 2 but in the KO i fully believe we are capable or beating them. This Aussie team is not like Ponting's team. They can be beaten. They aren't invincible. Lots of holes.

Head is put injured now. Cummins is not a good odi bowler. Their depth in fast bowling is poor. Spinner is zampa who can destroy indian batting but he won't trouble us much.
Imam will tonk him.

Mitch Marsh stoinis are key all rounders and that's where their strength lies. Batsmen who can bowl. They aren't some superlative team that is well and truly above others. They have plenty of holes that can be exploited. Warner isn't a spring chicken. He can be troubled by raw pace which we have in abundance.
Head has serious holes against bounce. Carey can't play it either. He struggles vs pace.

Tim David is just a tulla

BTW the only fluke is you guys pulling a win cause of a fluke innings by virat.

Basically what you are implying is could have,should have etc. Dropping catches, misfieldings are part of the game. If Pakistanis are so miserable on the field of course opposition is going to take advantage. Why are you even bringing Ponting or his goat team? Aus haven't been at that level since at least 09/10, that didn't stop them from winning 2 more icc trophies, 3 if we count test championship.
What do mean by "you guys" in the last para? So just because I am not blindly supporting your cause & pointing out rational issues you automatically think I am Indian! How childish & immature one can be. Not everybody who doesn't support Pak blindly is an Indian, there are people from all around the world in PP. Just keep that in mind next time guessing so blindly about one's nationality, race,religion etc.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Basically what you are implying is could have,should have etc. Dropping catches, misfieldings are part of the game. If Pakistanis are so miserable on the field of course opposition is going to take advantage. Why are you even bringing Ponting or his goat team? Aus haven't been at that level since at least 09/10, that didn't stop them from winning 2 more icc trophies, 3 if we count test championship.
What do mean by "you guys" in the last para? So just because I am not blindly supporting your cause & pointing out rational issues you automatically think I am Indian! How childish & immature one can be. Not everybody who doesn't support Pak blindly is an Indian, there are people from all around the world in PP. Just keep that in mind next time guessing so blindly about one's nationality, race,religion etc.

Australia has always been a team of big tournaments. They may look ordinary in a series against any team but when it comes to the ICC tournament, they are a formidable side to play against.

 

[kron]

Basically what you are implying is could have,should have etc. Dropping catches, misfieldings are part of the game. If Pakistanis are so miserable on the field of course opposition is going to take advantage. Why are you even bringing Ponting or his goat team? Aus haven't been at that level since at least 09/10, that didn't stop them from winning 2 more icc trophies, 3 if we count test championship.
What do mean by "you guys" in the last para? So just because I am not blindly supporting your cause & pointing out rational issues you automatically think I am Indian! How childish & immature one can be. Not everybody who doesn't support Pak blindly is an Indian, there are people from all around the world in PP. Just keep that in mind next time guessing so blindly about one's nationality, race,religion etc.

I am not picking a fight with you. I don't know where you are from. I assumed you were an Indian cause you often comment on Indian players unless I am thinking of someone else.

You feel this Aussie side are favourites. I don't feel so. I think any of the top 4 sides can win on their day. In India on those turning pitches with the current Aussie side, I don't see them winning. I think an Asian side will win for sure this time.

 

[topspin]

Babar and all these players come from a conservative background and have limited thinking capacity because they leave 75% of the job to Allah and prepare for only 25%, quickly becoming satisfied with less. This became the story of our team post-2000s when this Tablighi and Namaz-on-ground type of culture was introduced by Saeed Anwar and his colleagues.

With this kind of approach, of course, you can win some matches, but not the important ones. We are trying to fit Babar into shoes that are not designed for him

This very well put.

Unfortunately our players merely rely on prayers rather than working hard on improving their game. Babar is no leader of men, he wilts very easily under pressure whether it be with the bat or as a captain of the side.

Babar was never fit to be captain of the team.

Imad Wasim isn't elite but just above average cricketer who's more than good enough to play for a mediocre Pakistan team. The reason why we need him in the side is simply because he actually has elite mentality. He has the self-belief to come on top against any player whether he's bowling or batting. You can see that from his body language. Babar as I said wilts under pressure and you can see that from mile away.

Babar and Pakistan have done a huge injustice to Imad, who's not only an automatic selection but also the most worthy of being captain of the white ball team. He was 110% right to expose the buddy culture. If you're not in Babar's clique you're worthless asset.

This is all thanks to Misbah for bringing this meek, soft mentality into Pakistan cricket.

 

[Thephenom]

Erm this brilliant team India have only won it twice in all that time, so that is a pointless argument

 

[Babeikh]

Not even close. There have been literally dozens of far bigger disasters over the years.

 

[hassan918]

There is no shortage of disasters when it comes to Pakistan cricket team. Asia Cup was surely a disaster but not the biggest one when you compare with the events like World Cup 2003 or World Cup 2007.

 

[pratiktc]

Team looks weak now but if Shadab and Fakhar can turn their games around and Babar/Shaheen can carry team there is still a chance for getting to semis.

This is basically a 9 match league where 6 wins will put a team through. Even 5 might work if other results and NRR work out.

Don't slip up against Bang, SL, Afg and Ned and try to thrash them if possible to boost NRR

Somehow try to win 2 of Aus/Ind/Eng/SA/NZ. Pak team matches up well against SA/NZ in Asian conditions and one gun new ball spell from Shaheen could pull an upset against the big 3 teams.

All is not lost and fans should have positive mindset going into WC.

 

[Saj]

I just hope the Asia Cup was a wake-up call.

It was a lesson in which areas need improvement, a lesson in weaknesses within the squad, a lesson in how to improve the planning. It was also a reminder of what Babar Azam needs to improve upon in his captaincy.

The weaknesses are glaringly obvious, let's see if they are improved upon.