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After India’s dominant win on September 14, Pakistan now gets its shot at redemption in the Super Four on September 21. Both teams have qualified — India after UAE beat Oman, and Pakistan after defeating UAE. With Oman and UAE out, the stage is set for another high-voltage showdown.

The last time they met, India won by seven wickets, and Suryakumar Yadav led by example with an unbeaten 47. Kuldeep Yadav’s 3/18 kept the Pakistan batters tied down. In four T20I encounters over the course of the Asia Cup, India have won thrice and Pakistan once. In the Asia Cup overall, India has 11 wins and six losses with three no results in 20 games vs Pakistan. In overall T20Is, India has won 11 and lost three. Team India clearly dominates the scene vs Pakistan in the big games.

Will Pakistan flip the script this time, or will India double down?
 
Too many passengers in the team to win against any of the remaining teams let alone India
 
Is it certain that Pakistan will play the match or will boycott it out of fear of the Indian team or match referee? :kp
 
I think a lot of Pakistanis are praying for an upset like in 2017 and 2021 but I wouldn't be so sure.

After the 2017 CT India rejigged their team by putting in wrist spinners for middle over wicket taking threat and none of the contests since have even been close.

I think one of the 2018 AC matches, 2019 WC, 2023 WC, 2025 CT Pak actually were 150-2 or something before Kuldeep came in and broke the batting.

Similarly post the 2022 T20 WC semi loss vs England, India also made massive changes in their T20 approach - Longer batting lineup, AR spam, more aggressive batting, brought back Kuldeep

Only reason 2024 T20 WC was even close was cause of completely different bowling conditions and the pitch. If it was in Dallas or something, would not have been close.

I would like to see India batting first to see what they can do.
 
Just go out on the field and try to compete show some plan and grit all I ask as a fan win or loss happen
 
TexasRattlesnake said:
I would like to see India batting first to see what they can do.
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I don't think india will prefer batting first.pak recently started batting first as they are having a lot of dramatic collapses.in almost all the matches , they were like 100/5 or 6.so i dont think they will opt for chase especially given the circumstances. They may follow the approach of uae game .bat till 14 /15 overs cautiously and do something if they can.
 
Salman Ali Agha speaking during the post-match presentation ceremony after the Pakistan vs UAE game:

"We’re ready for any challenge. As long as we play good cricket, we can compete with and beat any team in the world."
 
Vikram1989 said:
I don't think india will prefer batting first.pak recently started batting first as they are having a lot of dramatic collapses.in almost all the matches , they were like 100/5 or 6.so i dont think they will opt for chase especially given the circumstances. They may follow the approach of uae game .bat till 14 /15 overs cautiously and do something if they can.
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I meant just to see as a challenge. Obviously they will chase if they win the toss.
 
sweep_shot said:
LOL. Thanks. Took me 6-7 years.

Anyway, I am expecting Pakistan to be charged up and rightly so.

India blatantly disrespected Pakistan last time.
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Humiliated. Thats the word you are looking for.

Most of it is Paks own doing. As I said, the on field cricket was not as bad. Yes they lost but Pak had lost far worse against India in recent past. If anything, India played avg cricket on sunday. Allowing Afridi to hit 4 sixes, Bumrah and Pandya mediocre, Gill flopped etc etc. I actually expected much better performance from team India. So Pak's on field defeat was not humiliating at all but par for course.

It is what followed after the game. This tamasha of how dare you not shake hands, match referee bias...remove him else will not play, not allowing team to leave hotel, firing own team manager and then coming to play the match like obidient kid with the same match referee.

So pls dnt drag India into it. All of it is Pak's own doing. Had the simply lodged a complain against SKY to ICC and carry on with the game, that would have been much more respectful.
 
Vikram1989 said:
I don't think india will prefer batting first.pak recently started batting first as they are having a lot of dramatic collapses.in almost all the matches , they were like 100/5 or 6.so i dont think they will opt for chase especially given the circumstances. They may follow the approach of uae game .bat till 14 /15 overs cautiously and do something if they can.
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If Salman wins the toss again and bats first he is an even bigger idiot than I thought. Batting first against weaker teams is OK to test their batting on Dubai pitches but batting first again against India would be extremely dumb.
 
Rajdeep said:
Humiliated. Thats the word you are looking for.

Most of it is Paks own doing. As I said, the on field cricket was not as bad. Yes they lost but Pak had lost far worse against India in recent past. If anything, India played avg cricket on sunday. Allowing Afridi to hit 4 sixes, Bumrah and Pandya mediocre, Gill flopped etc etc. I actually expected much better performance from team India. So Pak's on field defeat was not humiliating at all but par for course.

It is what followed after the game. This tamasha of how dare you not shake hands, match referee bias...remove him else will not play, not allowing team to leave hotel, firing own team manager and then coming to play the match like obidient kid with the same match referee.

So pls dnt drag India into it. All of it is Pak's own doing. Had the simply lodged a complain against SKY to ICC and carry on with the game, that would have been much more respectful.
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Even Varun wasn't very good and both he and Bumrah ended with decentish figures
 
It's time to switch around a few positions!

Drop Saim into the middle order and make use of Fakhar's form by getting him in as opener to take advantage of the PP

Haris in at 3 to keep attacking

Saim in at 4 where he can take his time and you can't have an out of form batsman wasting the PP
 
I expect Pakistan to hit us very hard. SKY and BCCI have provoked them beyond measure.

Also, I wasn't impressed by the bowling effort with Bumrah looking down on pace and Pandya bowling utter garbage and looking disinterested.

Tilak Varma's limitations and Gill's selection also were exposed somewhat.

Hopefully, we can put Pakistan to bed relatively easily once again.
 
G0rmintAunty said:
If Salman wins the toss again and bats first he is an even bigger idiot than I thought. Batting first against weaker teams is OK to test their batting on Dubai pitches but batting first again against India would be extremely dumb.
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I dont think pak have confidence to chase against kuldeep and bumrah.24 t20 wc may effected a lot. they have completely gone timid and living in cocoon. Hesson will provide all kind of stats to support amy stupid decision taken by himself and team .in first match itself, they should have never batted first.
 
Hellion said:
I expect Pakistan to hit us very hard. SKY and BCCI have provoked them beyond measure.

Also, I wasn't impressed by the bowling effort with Bumrah looking down on pace and Pandya bowling utter garbage and looking disinterested.

Tilak Varma's limitations and Gill's selection also were exposed somewhat.

Hopefully, we can put Pakistan to bed relatively easily once again.
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Difference between desire and ability.

Like you said, India weren't even very good and still defeated Pak comfortably.
 
I am sensing another big defeat for Pakistan... This team is struggling even against minnows so India is no match.
 
BouncerGuy said:
I am sensing another big defeat for Pakistan... This team is struggling even against minnows so India is no match.
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India's performance in 2025 has been indifferent though. One guy is doing all the damage. They are still scratchy not playing many matches. Also shoving Gill into this line up has upset the rhythm somewhat. Spin bashers like Jaiswal, Iyer should have been here.
 
2-0 looks likely unless Naqvi pulls something extraordinary, Pakistan players sadly are mentally weak and lacking ability
 
Pakistan definitely won't be able to chase against Kuldeep Bumrah.I think they should bat first again and try and get 170
 
shamaan said:
Pakistan definitely won't be able to chase against Kuldeep Bumrah.I think they should bat first again and try and get 170
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Bumrah against non minnows

While bowling first 25.32 avge/7.36 ER/20.6 SR
While bowling second 16.55 avge/6.37 ER/15.5 SR (best ever fast bowler min 300 balls)

He becomes a beast when India is forced to defend totals
 
I would drop khushdil and play mohammed wasim

We made a massive blunder bowling so many spinners last game
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Bumrah against non minnows

While bowling first 25.32 avge/7.36 ER/20.6 SR
While bowling second 16.55 avge/6.37 ER/15.5 SR (best ever fast bowler min 300 balls)

He becomes a beast when India is forced to defend totals
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We won chasing in 2021 and 2022.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
But you don't have Babar Azam/Rizwan :) Bumrah played only one match if i am right.
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Unlike last match in which i had distant hope that Pak will compete with India , It was quashed. Pak’s Chances to win against India are same as chances of UAE winning against India. Practically none
 
jnaveen1980 said:
It was a subpar total to be fair. 152. With no threatening spinners we lost it.
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Issues with that team

1. Slower batting
2. Short batting lineup (Bhuvi was at 8)
3. Lack of L-R combination which allowed the spinners to bowl to their matchups. You saw how Tilak took on Nawaz and Surya on Muqeem.

Shaheen did well then but Hafeez, Imad, Shadab should not have had the figures they did.
 
My only worry is how the team will respond when put under pressure. What happens if / when we’re 12/3 in 4 overs and someone running riot. Who will keep their head and set a decent score or chase down 170? That remains to be seen. That’s where Kohli was in god-mode singularly focused on chasing anything down. Our middle order has not really been put under pressure thus far since the new guys got together. Let’s see.
 
charlie007 said:
My only worry is how the team will respond when put under pressure. What happens if / when we’re 12/3 in 4 overs and someone running riot. Who will keep their head and set a decent score or chase down 170? That remains to be seen. That’s where Kohli was in god-mode singularly focused on chasing anything down. Our middle order has not really been put under pressure thus far since the new guys got together. Let’s see.
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TexasRattlesnake said:
Issues with that team

1. Slower batting
2. Short batting lineup (Bhuvi was at 8)
3. Lack of L-R combination which allowed the spinners to bowl to their matchups. You saw how Tilak took on Nawaz and Surya on Muqeem.

Shaheen did well then but Hafeez, Imad, Shadab should not have had the figures they did.
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Now that I think about it, that Pak bowling was very effective against right handed batsmen and you needed lefties to take them out.

2021 semi Warner started then Wade finished

2022 final Stokes was MoM and Mooen finished

Even the 2024 Ind-Pak match Pant and Axar was the only significant partnership
 
I’m not sold on Tilak just yet (yes, despite his 100s in SA). Yeah he’s a lefty, but he’s hot and cold. He needs to become more consistent. That’s where I prefer Iyer coming in who provides consistency and firepower both, and he’s super efficient versus spin.
 
charlie007 said:
I’m not sold on Tilak just yet (yes, despite his 100s in SA). Yeah he’s a lefty, but he’s hot and cold. He needs to become more consistent. That’s where I prefer Iyer coming in who provides consistency and firepower both, and he’s super efficient versus spin.
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Yeah, I think he's okay for the Asia Cup but might have issues with bigger teams. Can get bogged against spin.

A clearer idea will come in the coming months as India will play a glut of T20s.
 
charlie007 said:
I’m not sold on Tilak just yet (yes, despite his 100s in SA). Yeah he’s a lefty, but he’s hot and cold. He needs to become more consistent. That’s where I prefer Iyer coming in who provides consistency and firepower both, and he’s super efficient versus spin.
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I will prefer jaiswal over iyer.jaiswal maintains the left hand combo after abhishek.he can consolidate or attack.tilak strike rotation against spinners is awful.he will score few boundaries to make it 110 sr at the end .
 
charlie007 said:
My only worry is how the team will respond when put under pressure. What happens if / when we’re 12/3 in 4 overs and someone running riot. Who will keep their head and set a decent score or chase down 170? That remains to be seen. That’s where Kohli was in god-mode singularly focused on chasing anything down. Our middle order has not really been put under pressure thus far since the new guys got together. Let’s see.
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Tilak, gill , Pandya , Axar , Dube all can play cricket according to conditions . So don't worry

Only worry is we have Pandya as an death bowler .

:kp
 
@Bhaag Viru Bhaag - finally makes an appearance on this thread after sunday match...

Dude was all over every Asia cup thread like a cheap suit rash even before it started -spruiking for a fight, instigating, challenging with the whole Al KlasslessCo & the 'boycott karke dikhao ' narrative

only to disapper into the woodwork where he belongs and nowhere to be seen after sunday's match....

I understand the 'locals' here and their outrage/objections after sunday's match- no ghillay/shikwa on this but did'nt see the bhagoda virus imploring MQ/Pak to boycott...

basically - because what happened after the match was an epic pitch slap to the indian khatmal ecosystem....
whatever people think SKY did after the match - it also flushed out the juraseem...

so after all the hustle, bustle and hooplah

-Andy pycroft was not removed from the tournament
- was not removed from any match
- in fact he officiated the latest match

.When the boot was on the other foot - brother Bhagg did'nt have the ghairaat to suggest a boycott ...bhaag gaya..only to come back here when the dust settled...with the same 'boycott' narrative - rinse-repeat-get owned- on loop

legend bhai
:djb :ua
 
charlie007 said:
My only worry is how the team will respond when put under pressure. What happens if / when we’re 12/3 in 4 overs and someone running riot. Who will keep their head and set a decent score or chase down 170? That remains to be seen. That’s where Kohli was in god-mode singularly focused on chasing anything down. Our middle order has not really been put under pressure thus far since the new guys got together. Let’s see.
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Most recent situation we had was against Afghanistan when India was 23 for 4. Rohit scored a blistering 100. He and Rinku added 190 runs in 15 overs for 5h wicket
 
charlie007 said:
I’m not sold on Tilak just yet (yes, despite his 100s in SA). Yeah he’s a lefty, but he’s hot and cold. He needs to become more consistent. That’s where I prefer Iyer coming in who provides consistency and firepower both, and he’s super efficient versus spin.
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He piles up dot balls
 
TexasRattlesnake said:
I think a lot of Pakistanis are praying for an upset like in 2017 and 2021 but I wouldn't be so sure.

After the 2017 CT India rejigged their team by putting in wrist spinners for middle over wicket taking threat and none of the contests since have even been close.

I think one of the 2018 AC matches, 2019 WC, 2023 WC, 2025 CT Pak actually were 150-2 or something before Kuldeep came in and broke the batting.

Similarly post the 2022 T20 WC semi loss vs England, India also made massive changes in their T20 approach - Longer batting lineup, AR spam, more aggressive batting, brought back Kuldeep

Only reason 2024 T20 WC was even close was cause of completely different bowling conditions and the pitch. If it was in Dallas or something, would not have been close.

I would like to see India batting first to see what they can do.
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its a T20 and Pak can certainly spring an upset. Obviously India is the overwhelming favorites. Indian team has its own issues. Gill, Tilak place in the XI questionable, Samson is more effective in the top order, Pandya hasn't had a good outing and probably hasn't batted competitively since IPL, Bumrah looked off color, Abhishek himself will give multiple chances due to way he bats, so it is not given that India will prevail
 
SportsWarrior said:
its a T20 and Pak can certainly spring an upset. Obviously India is the overwhelming favorites. Indian team has its own issues. Gill, Tilak place in the XI questionable, Samson is more effective in the top order, Pandya hasn't had a good outing and probably hasn't batted competitively since IPL, Bumrah looked off color, Abhishek himself will give multiple chances due to way he bats, so it is not given that India will prevail
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India lacks match practice. Played only 7 games this season. SkY was horrendous before his runs against Pakistan. Sky made 76 runs in 7 innings before pakistan match this year
 
CrIc_Mystique said:
@Bhaag Viru Bhaag - finally makes an appearance on this thread after sunday match...

Dude was all over every Asia cup thread like a cheap suit rash even before it started -spruiking for a fight, instigating, challenging with the whole Al KlasslessCo & the 'boycott karke dikhao ' narrative

only to disapper into the woodwork where he belongs and nowhere to be seen after sunday's match....

I understand the 'locals' here and their outrage/objections after sunday's match- no ghillay/shikwa on this but did'nt see the bhagoda virus imploring MQ/Pak to boycott...
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It looks like you are begging for another takedown from me. If I replied in the same tone as your posts, moderators would delete my posts immediately, yet they let people like you keep spouting pointless nonsense. Not seeing my posts doesn't mean I wasn't posting. I could expose you here, but you are not worth my time, little chomu. Chal nikal. :inti
 
jnaveen1980 said:
India lacks match practice. Played only 7 games this season. SkY was horrendous before his runs against Pakistan. Sky made 76 runs in 7 innings before pakistan match this year
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agree, that is what worries me too. It is easy to get into your groove when the pitches are good and you can get going quickly. If the batsmen have to fight it out in the middle, more often than not, those not in the good form or practice will struggle.
 
Vikram1989 said:
I will prefer jaiswal over iyer.jaiswal maintains the left hand combo after abhishek.he can consolidate or attack.tilak strike rotation against spinners is awful.he will score few boundaries to make it 110 sr at the end .
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I was talking about the middle order where Tilak plays. Jaiswal is an opener so he can probably only replace Gill, which will not happen anytime soon given Gill will be given a long run before making any decision on him. In fact, Jaiswal might come in for Samson if Samson doesn’t step up fast.
Rinku hasn’t done anything worthwhile for a while, but he’s a reserve / backup player. Iyer must be brought in if Tilak doesn’t deliver relatively quickly.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Most recent situation we had was against Afghanistan when India was 23 for 4. Rohit scored a blistering 100. He and Rinku added 190 runs in 15 overs for 5h wicket
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Yeah, there’s no Rohit here anymore. How will a new middle order do under pressure, especially when chasing where the pressure may be more?
 
BouncerGuy said:
I am sensing another big defeat for Pakistan... This team is struggling even against minnows so India is no match.
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it is 14 Indians vs 11 Pakistanis as the umpires and match referee plays for them

Clearly India has an advantage
 
gazza619 said:
it is 14 Indians vs 11 Pakistanis as the umpires and match referee plays for them

Clearly India has an advantage
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Also, the Indian players are all 3 times as talented as the Pakistanis and have bigger bats and get specially designed balls to bowl with as well.

Pakistan should ask for extra 5 overs while batting to make this competitive
 
Pakistan has no excuse as they possess bowling attack that suits these surfaces. India has one inform batsman.
 
It’s T20, anyone can win, India start as favorites a bit.
I’d say India would be overwhelming favorites in ODI and Tests (that the fans are being deprived of) because in a longer game a large difference in quality will shine through a large majority of time. But in T20s a single innings or a single spell can make a big difference given the time is much less for a comeback.
 
India is not that good as people have hyped them up
i see easily
australia
sourhafrica
england t20 teams better than them
 
Ali Active said:
India is not that good as people have hyped them up
i see easily
australia
sourhafrica
england t20 teams better than them
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Agreed. Just because India have trashed all these teams in bilaterals in recent times doesn't count for much.
 
charlie007 said:
I was talking about the middle order where Tilak plays. Jaiswal is an opener so he can probably only replace Gill, which will not happen anytime soon given Gill will be given a long run before making any decision on him. In fact,
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Abhishek is the most impactful player with high sr.he cant be moved .Gill too for different reasons. Only vulnerable spots are for tilak at 4 ,samson at 5, dube at 7. Reddy as AR can be better option for dube.any batter who wants a place in t20 should go for tilak spot.no other option till sky retires atleast.
 
Vikram1989 said:
Abhishek is the most impactful player with high sr.he cant be moved .Gill too for different reasons. Only vulnerable spots are for tilak at 4 ,samson at 5, dube at 7. Reddy as AR can be better option for dube.any batter who wants a place in t20 should go for tilak spot.no other option till sky retires atleast.
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Dube was our second best batsman in 2025 striking at 175. All the others besides Abhishek had subpar strike rate. Although Tilak pulled off one back to the wall near impossible chase against England
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Dube was our second best batsman in 2025 striking at 175. All the others besides Abhishek had subpar strike rate. Although Tilak pulled off one back to the wall near impossible chase against England
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I think reddy is much more compact and agile .he is equally good against both pacers and spinners. Definitely can bowl 2 overs .dube will be found out against bouncers or on bouncy tracks
 
Vikram1989 said:
I think reddy is much more compact and agile .he is equally good against both pacers and spinners. Definitely can bowl 2 overs .dube will be found out against bouncers or on bouncy tracks
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Not current Reddy. He looked out of depth in the IPL. Not good in test series. Next season he will be better. Besides someone like Dube is always threat against spinners.
 
90% India will win again.

The 10% chance of Pakistan win is because of the nature of the format. One fluke performance from some Pak batsman or a memorable bowling spell from any one Pakistan bowler can turn the tables. Chances are very remote though.
 
Sanju Samson @ no 5 is a hugh risk as he has not played much in that position and never got opportunity to bat in this series yet..In the next match with Omen also I don't think he will get batting chance unless India batsman first and he is promoted up the order..In that case too, we won't know his capability at no 5 position..Rather I would drop him and play Jitesh in the super 4s as he played many innings in that position and a pinch hitter..still now not convinced with Gill in opening position..ideal openers would be Abhishek and Sanju.. Pakistan's advantage is all their batters have got more than 1 opportunity to bat and understand the pitches..whereas for India middle and lower orders are yet to be tested..
 
Maybe the boys will be amped and come out angry instead of nervous and looking like scared little kittens but either way, I'm not sure they have it in them to win. This batting lineup is so poor & shaky. Barring a miracle, I would expect India to win quite easily.
 
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