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Not my words - Apparently, Pakistan Head Coach said this.

So what is the issue with their attitude? Who is responsible for things getting this bad?

How do we fix this for good?

Or

Is Waqar Younis being unreasonable here?
 
Not my words - Apparently, Pakistan Head Coach said this.

So what is the issue with their attitude? Who is responsible for things getting this bad?

How do we fix this for good?

Replace them.
 
Why are we taking Waqar's word as the truth?
 
Shehzads behaviour has always been questionable and waqar is probably ****** off at umar akmal because of his inability to learn and improve and probably the misbehaviour with the fielding coach was a true incident.

I also read somewhere that hafeez said that waqar younis has a strict fitness program which is more than needed.
 
Umar Akmal will likely go

But Ahmed Shahzad is getting close to Waqar so if Waqar stays then so does Shahzad in the team
 
Probably the only 2 cricketers who can be called fielders in the pakistan team, they throw themselves all over the field especially UA who also seems like the only player who plays with passion, don't buy waqars statement, maybe its time he goes.
 
Probably the only 2 cricketers who can be called fielders in the pakistan team, they throw themselves all over the field especially UA who also seems like the only player who plays with passion, don't buy waqars statement, maybe its time he goes.

Shehzad dives over the ball rather than for it most times than not.

But hit it straight to him and he will dive at it and get up with chest out thinking that he is the second coming of Rhodes.

Should be dropped ASAP. Garbage player with even worse attitude.
 
Probably the only 2 cricketers who can be called fielders in the pakistan team, they throw themselves all over the field especially UA who also seems like the only player who plays with passion, don't buy waqars statement, maybe its time he goes.

If his constant slogs down fielder's throats and terrible shot selection in general, specially for the past year passes off as 'passion', not sure I want any of this 'passion'.
 
Waqar does play politics, so it seems from the outside looking in.

A good coach should have good man managment skills so he can deal with all characters in the team to bring the best out of them.

It was just so flawed logic making him head coach. Bowling coach was fine, thats it.

I do though think Shezhad does have some ego problems. That's clearly evident and doesn't work hard enough to rectify his flaws in his game.
 
Probably the only 2 cricketers who can be called fielders in the pakistan team, they throw themselves all over the field especially UA who also seems like the only player who plays with passion, don't buy waqars statement, maybe its time he goes.

This !
 
Probably the only 2 cricketers who can be called fielders in the pakistan team, they throw themselves all over the field especially UA who also seems like the only player who plays with passion, don't buy waqars statement, maybe its time he goes.

100% agree
 
This is the Afridi effect. He has singlehandedly destroyed our cricket for another 10 years or so.
 
Waqar wants 'yes man' as players. That's why he picked Azhar Ali to lead instead of Hafeez.
 
Why are we taking Waqar's word as the truth?

Why do we live in a culture of distrust? PCB obviously thought Waqar was to entrusted with coaching the team. He was entrusted with the responsibility to critically analyze their performance and provide feedback. Many PPers welcomed his appointment at the time.

Now that he presented his report, like any other coach would do, we are criticizing it. The difference is such a report would not be released to media in a professional organization and the concerned players would be asked to get their act together.

If the board is not satisfied with Waqar's performance they should let him go. But such a report is part and parcel of the job. Just recently we have been hearing how M Starc got some straight talk before he got his act together. Why are our players above all this?
 
Probably the only 2 cricketers who can be called fielders in the pakistan team, they throw themselves all over the field especially UA who also seems like the only player who plays with passion, don't buy waqars statement, maybe its time he goes.

So in your view what is the reason of Waqar being against these players? Dont come up with a desi drama story line please!
 
Akmal and Shehzad have both played in two World Cups now and have not learned a thing, might as well get rid of them. It will be easier if these reports are true about their attitude, wouldn't be surprised really. Will miss shehzads batting though
 
Why are we taking Waqar's word as the truth?

You have to be blind not to see there is some truth to it.
No one talks because when they perform but it comes to be bite them when they fail. Kohli has an attitude problem but no one will care because he takes care of his business on the field.
 
Shehzad dives over the ball rather than for it most times than not.

But hit it straight to him and he will dive at it and get up with chest out thinking that he is the second coming of Rhodes.

Should be dropped ASAP. Garbage player with even worse attitude.

..and what exactly is WRONG with that. When the rest of the team struggle to just bend over to pick up the ball let alone dive.
 
If his constant slogs down fielder's throats and terrible shot selection in general, specially for the past year passes off as 'passion', not sure I want any of this 'passion'.

Whatever you think of his ability as a batsmen, that aside he is one of the players that does give it his BEST SHOT when he puts on the Pak shirt an unselfish player who plays with passion.
 
So in your view what is the reason of Waqar being against these players? Dont come up with a desi drama story line please!

Internal politics, its quite obvious there are major conflicts within the management of the team, some players sided with Misbah and obviously dont give a hoots about Waqar.
 
Whatever you think of his ability as a batsmen, that aside he is one of the players that does give it his BEST SHOT when he puts on the Pak shirt an unselfish player who plays with passion.

Really. Going for the wild hack across the line when you have all the shots in the book counts as giving it his 'best shot'? And this is not just on one or two occasions. It happens all the time now. The worst thing is that otherwise he doesn't look like he's being troubled too much despite his deficiencies. He just seems to lack a brain. Can't fault him for that, I guess. Seems to run in the fam. :kakmal
 
Whatever you think of his ability as a batsmen, that aside he is one of the players that does give it his BEST SHOT when he puts on the Pak shirt an unselfish player who plays with passion.

I'm not faulting his fielding btw, he definitely is one of the better fielders in the team. But we can't really afford specialist fielders.
 
This is why player power will always rule in Pakistan. Fans too emotional. Always side and believe players. Think all admin is against them. That is why the likes of Afridi have been able to emotionally pressure PCB into selecting him. Younus did the same after he showed a inkling of decent test form.

It is obvious both Shehzaad and Umar are immature. Actions speak louder than words. Shehzaad is too busy trying to get commercial endorsments when he has won nothing. On top of that, look at his interviews and behaviour (attacking a journalist, well wrong journalist). Then Umar, comes before every sries or tournament and gets his excuses in. I bat too low, I don't get chance. Blah blah blah. At some point, you have to put your hand up, realize you been playing international cricket for six years and maybe realize we no longer should have to hold your hand. Both of these guys are come from the Afridi school of thought and you can see it in how they behave on and off the field. It is never their fault, it is always someone elses.
 
"Afridi school of thought" :))) I frekn love it haha.

OT but I'm seeing some posts in this thread and if you can't appreciate the fielding of Ahmed Shehzad and in particular Umar Akmal then you're just being ignorant.
 
"Afridi school of thought" :))) I frekn love it haha.

OT but I'm seeing some posts in this thread and if you can't appreciate the fielding of Ahmed Shehzad and in particular Umar Akmal then you're just being ignorant.

Yeah lets play 11 fielders. Both are below rubbish in their primary jobs.
 
I don't find any problem in the attitudes, if they can answer with the bat, but unfortunately Umar these days doesn't even know to hold a bat. Shehzad as of now is one of the best bat we have.
 
Yeah lets play 11 fielders. Both are below rubbish in their primary jobs.

and when the heck did I say that?

I do know that if Umar Akmal was there instead of Rahat Ali while Watson hit it and if Ahmed Shehzad was there instead of Sohail Khan we probably would have won.

Fielding is really important I just want to give credit where it's due.

I personally want Shehzad dropped from the team FWIW.
 
Shezi and akmal behavior is always disaster , dont know what the hell problem is with them
 
Attitude adjustment implies that the technical side of their game is sound.
In fact it is woefully short:
- Shehzad cannot play with soft hands and is always trying to get beside the ball rather than infront of it, and doesn't have a good against spinners. I would say needs a lot more time in domestic. Probably would be good for him to bat lower down the order so that he gets to understand how to play in situations which required urgency and rotation of strike when ball is old and not coming on to the ball and spinners are operating.
- umar Akmal: seems to have forgotten his offside game and is trying to muscle everything legside. I would recommend a lot of of four day cricket at one-down with an innings strike rate of no more than 65. Needs to learn to reign in himself.
 
These two either make a 15 or a 55 so as to maintain average of 35
 
Both players have been playing international cricket for 6 years yet have the mentality of adolecent teenagers, both should be dumped for a while until they show imporvement mentally as players as well as in case of shehzad technically.
 
Attitude adjustment implies that the technical side of their game is sound.
In fact it is woefully short:
- Shehzad cannot play with soft hands and is always trying to get beside the ball rather than infront of it, and doesn't have a good against spinners. I would say needs a lot more time in domestic. Probably would be good for him to bat lower down the order so that he gets to understand how to play in situations which required urgency and rotation of strike when ball is old and not coming on to the ball and spinners are operating.
- umar Akmal: seems to have forgotten his offside game and is trying to muscle everything legside. I would recommend a lot of of four day cricket at one-down with an innings strike rate of no more than 65. Needs to learn to reign in himself.

He probably meant that they are not interested in improving themselves at all , lack of work ethic and on top of it Ahmed Shehzad is so damn arrogant to listen to anyone. Umar Akmal , I suspect , is too dumb to improve plus his first century star sydrome is still affecting him.
 
The problem pakistan have is that they have invested a lot of time on these two players to just throw them away , that's why PCB have tried their best that these guys get enough chances. This will be a very hard decision for PCB but I guess they have to let Umar Akmal go from ODIs and let him play only t20s. Shehzad plays well in tests and let him play this format if he doesn't improve in the next two ODI series and improvement will be if he starts rotating strike not that he scores his first 50 in 80 balls.
 
Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with Umar as far as attitude and discipline is concerned. Yes he is thick and dumb, but he is not the type of person who will create factions in the dressing room or disrespect the management.

Shehzad on the other hand is a grade-A shoda, who deserves a serious reality-check to bring him back to earth.
 
Waqar firstly needs to adjust his coaching methodology. Haven't seen any improvements under him soo far.


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Drop Umar, tell Shehzad if he stops being an idiot he will go too and he needs to actually work on his weaknesses. He worked hard to get back, so it is time to go back to the drawing board and humble himself.

Umar needs to go back home for a while until he redevelops a brain (if possible)
 
Waqar firstly needs to adjust his coaching methodology. Haven't seen any improvements under him soo far.


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Errr ... Have you seen our bowling lately? Ahmed Shahzad and Umar Akmal have track record of being problem-kids so harsh to blame Waqar for reporting what he feels as a coach.
Perhaps we could ask Grant Flower to shed light on what he thinks about these guys.
 
Why are we taking Waqar's word as the truth?

Few reasons:
1. He is the Coach.
2. He probably doesn't have anything to gain if these guys play or not play.
3. These guys have a track record of being pulled up for non-seriousness. Umar Akmal and Shehzad's stint at NCA where they have been pulled up on few occasions.
4. We need to put a trust on someone, and the Head Coach and Manager are there to provide information on what went wrong and what worked.
 
Why are we taking Waqar's word as the truth?

dont take waqar's word.. but u can clearly see how pathetic they were on and off the field..

One has a serious attitude problem which makes him think he is better thanm the game

the other always gives an excuse for his inability to stay in the crease and score..

get rid of both for team sake. it is not like the cupboard is empty and these hacks need to be retained...they arent willing to take their cricket serious instead take their places for granted and feels like they are the sachin of pak. I would throw these two even if the batting cupboard is empty , why should keep tolerating such issues for nothing in return .. their game will not improve until they put their attitude down and develop some responsibility...
 
A visit from John Cena probably will fix their attitudes. If they don't have the right one, then why not just sack them from the team. The coach and team mates won't be able to be quite successful if one or two fringe players aren't listening. England sacked players like Monty and KP for a reason.
 
Probably the only 2 cricketers who can be called fielders in the pakistan team, they throw themselves all over the field especially UA who also seems like the only player who plays with passion, don't buy waqars statement, maybe its time he goes.

Agree with you.
 
When world thinks you have talent as a player, these 2 players also think that they are blessed with talents. And still over the years they have not improved they had more than enough chances. Should be enough reason to believe that there is something missing. Something just not right. So doesn't matter how much politics Waqar Younus into these players needs adjustments.

Besides the point I still remember when Umar Akmal first came on to scene and scored a 100 in NZ, right after that on Australian tour when his older brother was not picked for playingX1 he threw a tantrum and refused to play next game (this was officially reported by team management). so there is no reason to blame coach, management ...These guys needs lesson..

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If this report is accurate, the pair of them need to quickly sort themselves out before it's too late.

Talent alone gets you nowhere.

Their careers could have passed them by if they dont resolve this issue out.
 
If this report is accurate, the pair of them need to quickly sort themselves out before it's too late.

Talent alone gets you nowhere.

Their careers could have passed them by if they dont resolve this issue out.

They've had enough time to sort themselves.
Drop them both for good
 
Pakistan Cricket's Discipline Woes: Coach Waqar Younis Complains of Umar Akmal's Behaviour

In his report to PCB after Pakistan lost in the quarter-finals of World Cup 2015, Waqar Younis has highlighted bad behaviour of three players including Umar Akmal.

Press Trust of India

Friday, 27 March, 2015 13:01 IST





http://m.sports.ndtv.com/icc-cricke...ar-younis-complains-of-umar-akmal-s-behaviour

Waqar Younis has advised PCB officials to speak to Umar Akmal about his conduct during World Cup 2015.

Karachi:*Pakistan's disappointing cricket World Cup campaign was not just about missed opportunities on the field with head coach Waqar Younis submitting a strongly-worded report to the PCB complaining about the behaviour of Ahmed Shehzad, Umar Akmal and Muhammad Hafeez. (Also read:*Waqar Younis fears 'death' of Pakistan cricket)

According to a report on 'Dawn News TV', Waqar, in his report, has also suggested that specialist Test batsman Azhar Ali be appointed as the new captain of the one-day side after the retirement of Misbah-ul-Haq. (Related:*PCB set to announce new captain shortly)

No official in the PCB was available to confirm or deny the report. Waqar flew directly to Sydney to spend a few days with his family after Pakistan's run in the World Cup ended in the quarter-finals.

The report claims that the former Test captain advised the PCB to talk to Shehzad, Umar and Hafeez about their behaviour and straighten things out.

Hafeez, who was a member of the squad, returned home before the tournament started after getting injured in the two match one-day series in New Zealand in early February.

On returning home, he claimed his injury was not a serious one and he could have recovered after missing the first two games of the World Cup.

He also said he was surprised at the decision of the team management to send him back without taking him into confidence. There were speculations that Hafeez had had a argument with Waqar during a training session.

The report says that Waqar has also recommended that Umar Akmal be sent back to play domestic cricket and not picked for the national side until he improves his approach to batting.

He has also suggested that in order to improve the quality of players in the national side, the Board should restrict the top domestic tournaments to just 10 teams.

In a surprise recommendation, Waqar has suggested Azhar's name for ODI captaincy. Waqar has never seemed inclined to pick Azhar for limited overs cricket and he was also ignored for the World Cup even when Hafeez was injured and returned home.

Azhar, who last played a one-day international in India in early 2013, is a regular Test player having appeared in 39 matches with a healthy batting average of 41.

Captain Misbah-ul-Haq is also said to have recommended his name to the PCB for the captaincy during his meeting with chairman Shaharyar Khan.
 
Without more details it's difficult to draw much of a conclusion from that report. Umar Akmal is being criticised for his approach to batting which is fair enough, but that doesn't translate to being a bad team player. If Waqar means these players have shown indiscipline or created disharmony in the squad then that would be a serious matter. But I don't think bad shot selection counts as that.
 
Maybe a tombstone piledriver to boh of them will cure them of their attitude
 
This is why player power will always rule in Pakistan. Fans too emotional. Always side and believe players. Think all admin is against them. That is why the likes of Afridi have been able to emotionally pressure PCB into selecting him. Younus did the same after he showed a inkling of decent test form.

It is obvious both Shehzaad and Umar are immature. Actions speak louder than words. Shehzaad is too busy trying to get commercial endorsments when he has won nothing. On top of that, look at his interviews and behaviour (attacking a journalist, well wrong journalist). Then Umar, comes before every sries or tournament and gets his excuses in. I bat too low, I don't get chance. Blah blah blah. At some point, you have to put your hand up, realize you been playing international cricket for six years and maybe realize we no longer should have to hold your hand. Both of these guys are come from the Afridi school of thought and you can see it in how they behave on and off the field. It is never their fault, it is always someone elses.

Well said !!

Shehzad in particular has a huge ego problem and while I admire his talents, he cannot co-exist with Waqar. To be fair with Shezzy, our coach too have ego issues but that has little to do with his short comings. He has been a huge disappointment in this WC and that is all due to his stubbornness, not enough desire to improve !
 
Help yourself to improve !

Someone needs to sit down with both these guys and clear their heads before it's too late for them.

If these guys aren't careful they'll end up on the same scrapheap as the likes of Imran Nazir.
 
the guys have pathetic attitudes, especially selfie.

They both should be dropped since they're not learning the easy way.
 
guys don't associate bad form and batting with bad attitude.

You can read from his body language that he has no such issues I am talking about Umar Akmal. ANything anyone says about him is solely because of his last name. i actually really like his attitude. He just seems a bit stupid and has been struggling this whole year with the bat.

Shehzad on the other hand...................................................................................
 
Internal politics, its quite obvious there are major conflicts within the management of the team, some players sided with Misbah and obviously dont give a hoots about Waqar.

What? So now you are suggesting that Misbah and Waqar had serious differences causing the players to pick sides? No one has reported this - you are creating this out of thin air. What do you smoke?
 
Keep Akmal as the poor kid hasn't got enough chances to play freely. let him come up the order as he knows how to rotate the strike unlike Ahmed who won't learn from his mistakes.
 
Why Umar Akmal and Shehzad needs to be dropped?

I am really really disappointed to hear the news of these two players to be dropped. None of our players have consistency in their performances. Even Misbah, Azhar, Shafiq and Haris throw away their wickets after good start, same goes to Maqsood as well. So why Shehzad and Akmal have to be dropped? People can call Shehzad as TTF but he got 6 hundreds and Akmal has good strike rate with 2 hundreds where I do not see Haris capable to score big apart from 50-70. Please do not bring Babar Azam in the picture to compare. I heard same about Haris, Sharjeel and Maqsood but none of them shows glimpse of hope to score 100. Our domestic cricket does not always tell the story. Discipline is good but you have to be like a father figure to communicate with stubborn players to get through them and get the most out of it.
What's your opinion in this regard?
 
Both shouldn't have been dropped. Disciplinary issues couldn't have been that severe in any case, and it goes without saying that both have enough talent to be nurtured.

Horrible decision.
 
Umar yes, Shehzad no. Pakistanis live in some lala land where they believe some world class opener like walk in our team and take the world by surprise. Sorry to say this is not going to happen. In our history if cricket we have produced only 2 world class openers.
 
If you want to truly impartial, then both don't deserve to be chopped.
 
They both are only "rested" not retired.

Its good for them, they can use the break to play in domestic, come back in form and deserve the spot in team again. Let others have a chance too.
 
Both are not showing any sign of improvement but rather regressing as batsman.
Both deserved to be dropped
 
Both of these guys act like potential success stories and superstarts. However, they have been around for 5-6 year and are proven failures. Anyone not questioning their place in the team is kidding himself.
 
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