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Australia’s ODI problems go beyond the absence of Steven Smith and David Warner

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Australia’s capitulation against the visiting South Africans at the Perth Stadium might be a disappointment to lots of fans, but this has been the norm for the team down under for over a year now.
Since January 2017, the Australian ODI team has played 26 games, winning just six and losing 18. Most of the games during that time were with Steven Smith and David Warner in the X1.

Since the world cup win the Australian team has gone through a lot of changes in the XI and have failed to form a core of ODI players during that time. Except for Steven Smith, David Warner and Aaron Finch, the rest of the batting has been like musical chairs.

The biggest problem for the Australian team has been the batting. Even though some of the top order batters have been consistently scoring runs, the team as a unit has failed to click. There have been a total of 20 different players who have played in the Australian top six since January 2017.

The lack of consistency in selections and clarity in thought process is what has caused a complete lack of confidence in the Australia ODI team.

The team constantly changing and players getting dropped after a couple of failures can only be detrimental to the progress of the team. Players like CL White, Alex Carey, DJ Short and Peter Handscomb have received few games during that time but haven’t been consistent fixtures in the X1.

Despite having a good and consistent top order during that time, the constant chopping and changing in the middle and lower order has been one of the prime reasons for poor performances over the last year or so.

Aaron Finch, who has been named the captain of the ODI team, needs to work out what combination he needs to take this team forward. This is not only crucial for the World Cup 2019 but also beyond the tournament as well. As a team preparing for the World Cup, they need to at least have a core of players whom they feel comfortable picking from over the next few months and at this point, I don’t think Australia has anything of that sort figured out.

Even though the return of David Warner and Steven Smith will resolve few of the top order problems, the middle and lower order is still a concern.

The Australian batting has lacked confidence over the past couple of years and new team management need to instil that back if they want to challenge and post a strong defence of their title. Aaron Finch has taken over a team which has been performing poorly over the last couple of years and 2018 has been even worse for the team with only one win in 11 games.

This is a chance for Finch to stand up as the leader and to build a team which can get Australia back to the glory days. It is not going to be easy to turnaround this scenario, but again, with strong leadership and help from the team management, the changes can happen.

-Giri
 
This is exactly what I have said, just having both back will not turn Australia into worldbeaters overnight
 
Australia problem is the middle order and the lack of spin opitions. Zampa should be given a long run. He's a wicket taker.
 
The continuous changes has destroyed the whole team. Usman deserved a longer run in this team

Shane Watson is such an underrated player, they have not been able to recover after him retiring. He has been the biggest loss for Australia.
 
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Australia’s capitulation against the visiting South Africans at the Perth Stadium might be a disappointment to lots of fans, but this has been the norm for the team down under for over a year now.
Since January 2017, the Australian ODI team has played 26 games, winning just six and losing 18. Most of the games during that time were with Steven Smith and David Warner in the X1.

Since the world cup win the Australian team has gone through a lot of changes in the XI and have failed to form a core of ODI players during that time. Except for Steven Smith, David Warner and Aaron Finch, the rest of the batting has been like musical chairs.

The biggest problem for the Australian team has been the batting. Even though some of the top order batters have been consistently scoring runs, the team as a unit has failed to click. There have been a total of 20 different players who have played in the Australian top six since January 2017.

The lack of consistency in selections and clarity in thought process is what has caused a complete lack of confidence in the Australia ODI team.

The team constantly changing and players getting dropped after a couple of failures can only be detrimental to the progress of the team. Players like CL White, Alex Carey, DJ Short and Peter Handscomb have received few games during that time but haven’t been consistent fixtures in the X1.

Despite having a good and consistent top order during that time, the constant chopping and changing in the middle and lower order has been one of the prime reasons for poor performances over the last year or so.

Aaron Finch, who has been named the captain of the ODI team, needs to work out what combination he needs to take this team forward. This is not only crucial for the World Cup 2019 but also beyond the tournament as well. As a team preparing for the World Cup, they need to at least have a core of players whom they feel comfortable picking from over the next few months and at this point, I don’t think Australia has anything of that sort figured out.

Even though the return of David Warner and Steven Smith will resolve few of the top order problems, the middle and lower order is still a concern.

The Australian batting has lacked confidence over the past couple of years and new team management need to instil that back if they want to challenge and post a strong defence of their title. Aaron Finch has taken over a team which has been performing poorly over the last couple of years and 2018 has been even worse for the team with only one win in 11 games.

This is a chance for Finch to stand up as the leader and to build a team which can get Australia back to the glory days. It is not going to be easy to turnaround this scenario, but again, with strong leadership and help from the team management, the changes can happen.

-Giri


Good read.

It's remarkable to see how Aussies have revived the situation and has plugged almost every issues that you had raised here in just about 4 months. For an unsettled line-up, even without Warner & Smith, they have finalized a solid batting unit - Warner, Smith only can add strength to what already is there. Their batting vulnerability has turned into their strength, based on couple of players return to form - Maxi & Finch, add Khwaja & Handscomb to that, even if Warner, Smith are not available, still their batting won't be that weak.

I think, inconsistency of their selection was almost self made - Aussies take entire 2-3 years after one WC to rotate a squad and try different combination. In last 2-3 months, they have finalized their batting strategy and picking players for a particular role. For example, even after that innings against IND, Aston Turner might not be in WC squad, because he is competing with Maxwell for a specific position. Similarly, both Stoinis & Mitch are fighting for one spot.

Bowling was never a big issue for them, particularly fast bowling and they tried both spinners for 10 ODIs in Asia - eventually, I think Zampa has beaten Lyon for the specialist spinner's spot. Since Maxwell & Finch are also capable to support with spin, Aussies won't pick 2 specialist spinners; but they gave Lyon 7-8 games in Asia to make sure that he has enough opportunities. Final piece was their WK - tried many combination, but finally has got a very good young WK, who is capable with bat also. And, Carey actually can fill up duel role of back-up opener as well.

Considering that team is responding brilliantly under Finch's Captaincy, Aussies are probably at the peak of their power in last 3.75 years, exactly when you need to peak. Langer was part of an invincible AUS generation and he has brought some of that attitude and confidence in his team - these players are much more aggressive, confident about their capability and up to the challenge, for first time in few years, I see Aussies are dominating spinners, which wasn't the case in recent past.

I still believe, whoever has to win the Cup, will need to beat the Aussies in KOs.
 
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Langer is a fantastic coach. He understands the psyche of batsmen better than anybody and he can connect and motivate players on a personal level. You can see that in the responsibility Finch, Khawaja and Maxwell have taken upon themselves.
 
The only problem Australia have now is who to drop for Warner and Smith

I don't think Warner and Smith are going to play the world cup. Their non selection in the recent Pak series, all but seals their fate (atleast for the WC).
 
I don't think Warner and Smith are going to play the world cup. Their non selection in the recent Pak series, all but seals their fate (atleast for the WC).

They were not eligible for entire tour, therefore it's logical that they were not considered. Just about 2 weeks left, we'll see. I am sure both of them will be in WC squad. One reason is that their ban is over, but the real reason I believe is that these two were scapegoats, there were bigger players in the "act", and it wasn't certainly Smith & Warner's invented "tactics" at hotel room previous night, therefore they need to be compensated for keeping lips tight.
 
They were not eligible for entire tour, therefore it's logical that they were not considered. Just about 2 weeks left, we'll see. I am sure both of them will be in WC squad. One reason is that their ban is over, but the real reason I believe is that these two were scapegoats, there were bigger players in the "act", and it wasn't certainly Smith & Warner's invented "tactics" at hotel room previous night, therefore they need to be compensated for keeping lips tight.

So you think the bowlers had more of a say ?
 
So you think the bowlers had more of a say ?

I can only say that 4 mature guy, handling something for 540 times a day with a close look & touch didn’t have any clue about what is going around, then they must be the dumbest around.
 
I can only say that 4 mature guy, handling something for 540 times a day with a close look & touch didn’t have any clue about what is going around, then they must be the dumbest around.

Yes I did think the bowlers had some say. I think they have got off lightly.
 
I don't think Warner and Smith are going to play the world cup. Their non selection in the recent Pak series, all but seals their fate (atleast for the WC).

Yeah nah.

That isn't how Aus selection has ever worked. If anything a high profile player missing games in a series just before the world cup has historically meant that they are guaranteed to be selected.

If there was genuine concern about how to fit them in the squad they would have been part of the squad against Pakistan.
 
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