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Australia convincingly beat Pakistan by 80 runs in third ODI, take unassailable 3-0 series lead

Imam, Haris, Shan, Rizwan, Malik...

I swear to God this team has no flair.

Bunch of babas playing boring strokeless cricket.

Even West Indies have more entertaining batsmen.
More?

Those guys are miles ahead of us.
 
He should play the whole series. But it seems like he can only do well against the blind/handicapped teams

He should but no point in playing at the same position where he is a proven failure. Why not try him in a different role for once
 
How could these players still laugh.

Don’t they have any “ghairat”?
 
He should but no point in playing at the same position where he is a proven failure. Why not try him in a different role for once

Here we go another UA advocate... seriously guys understand cricket🤦🏽*♂️🤦🏽*♂️🤦🏽*♂️🤦🏽*♂️... I m done...
 
Nope u been advocating or may be u have just switched sides...��

he should still be tried as an opener but as a middle order player i don't think he has the ability.
 
Because of Imam Baba, Shan Baba, Sir Haris Baba, Rizwan Baba and Malik Baba...

We are forced to consider Akmal as talented.

In any other team he was just about as talented as Habibul Bashar or Mohammad Ashraful.
 
To quote someone I know in case of Umar Akmal : every new beginning is always a trojan horse :D
 
Because of Imam Baba, Shan Baba, Sir Haris Baba, Rizwan Baba and Malik Baba...

We are forced to consider Akmal as talented.

In any other team he was just about as talented as Habibul Bashar or Mohammad Ashraful.

stop mentioning habibul bashar all the time.
 
This series showed

Shan isnt an odi player
Its too early for husnain
Why was yasir shah selected?
Umar akmal is still the same old umar akmal.
Sarfraz is here to stay
Hafeez and fakhar are only hopes to score quick runs.
 
Are Pakistan still playing for the win or is it just the way they play??
 
This series showed

Shan isnt an odi player
Its too early for husnain
Why was yasir shah selected?
Umar akmal is still the same old umar akmal.
Sarfraz is here to stay
Hafeez and fakhar are only hopes to score quick runs.

uae isn't the best place to judge our cricketers.

if fakhar had been given a full series in the UAE before the champions trophy, do you think he would have been selected? no
 
Here we go another UA advocate... seriously guys understand cricket����*♂️����*♂️����*♂️����*♂️... I m done...

When did I advocate for him? Show me one post.

However if he has been selected what was the management expecting from him at the same position where he has failed time and time again.

I am just saying there was no point in selecting him if he was to be played at the same situations as before.
 
all the people bashing Umar Akmal, what did you expect him to do? play tuk tuk till the 50th over? At what point was he supposed to accelerate or try to win the game? just keep tuk tukking and hope that runs come from the other side? Other side isn't even scoring at run a ball let alone the intent of winning the game...
 
This series showed

Shan isnt an odi player
Its too early for husnain
Why was yasir shah selected?
Umar akmal is still the same old umar akmal.
Sarfraz is here to stay
Hafeez and fakhar are only hopes to score quick runs.
Pretty much this.

Malik has looked horrible against any good squad.

Shan has really good numbers at home, and I don't think he is any good but 3 matches is a bit unfair. Maybe give him a couple more matches.

Sarfraz should not be here to stay. No idea why he would be. Make Imad captain.

Hafeez and Fakhar are required, agreed. No questions about it. Only players who challenge the bowlers.
 
uae isn't the best place to judge our cricketers.

if fakhar had been given a full series in the UAE before the champions trophy, do you think he would have been selected? no

Fakhar has his own issues.

He needs to survive the initial burst with his hackish play before he can settle and win the game.
 
This is probably the lowest points of PAK ODI team since CT win. Aussies are wining without even sweating much in all 3 games and even then they had suffered a injury of their top pacer in middle of a game.

Losing to AUS isn't the end of world, but I was expecting better fight.
 
Fakhar has his own issues.

He needs to survive the initial burst with his hackish play before he can settle and win the game.

again, issues or no issues... if he saw him in the UAE before the champions trophy there is no way we'd have wanted him in the champions trophy squad and he probably wouldn't have been selected.


uae is killing our cricket
 
This is probably the lowest points of PAK ODI team since CT win. Aussies are wining without even sweating much in all 3 games and even then they had suffered a injury of their top pacer in middle of a game.

Losing to AUS isn't the end of world, but I was expecting better fight.

Finch out of all people bowled 10 overs ans got away with it.
 
Irony is he ll be in WC squad...

Chances are very low.

First, he won't pass the fitness test.

Second, no space. Imam, Fakhar, Shan/third opener, Babar, Haris, Hafeez, Malik, Sarfaraz, Imad. No room for more batsmen.
 
all the people bashing Umar Akmal, what did you expect him to do? play tuk tuk till the 50th over? At what point was he supposed to accelerate or try to win the game? just keep tuk tukking and hope that runs come from the other side? Other side isn't even scoring at run a ball let alone the intent of winning the game...

Maybe not give 3 chances before scoring 30 runs would be a start.
 
One of the very few plusses for Pakistan is Imad's batting...has come leaps and bounds
 
so now asif ali has the pressure of being the only batsmen that can finish the innings with his hard hitting
 
Finch out of all people bowled 10 overs ans got away with it.

SLAO spinner trolling PAK batting line-up isn't new .... I was more surprised to see Finch scoring 125, 155* & 90 in 3 innings.
 
Imad needs to be drafted into the Test team as well. He can average around 35 with the bat and bowl long, economical spells.
 
Chances are very low.

First, he won't pass the fitness test.

Second, no space. Imam, Fakhar, Shan/third opener, Babar, Haris, Hafeez, Malik, Sarfaraz, Imad. No room for more batsmen.

If that happens the country ll celebrate and its bigger than the WC win... I can’t see his crying face again after he gives catch to deep mid wicket and lbw on straight ball.
 
Australia's ODI dominance over Pakistan since the 98/99 tour of Pakistan is unbelievable. I count only 11 wins for Pakistan in that period and Australia have won 40 odd. Amazing!
 
This is probably the lowest points of PAK ODI team since CT win. Aussies are wining without even sweating much in all 3 games and even then they had suffered a injury of their top pacer in middle of a game.

Losing to AUS isn't the end of world, but I was expecting better fight.

Same here, though 6 of the regulars are being rested but still you expect atleast a fight. Some selections were very questionable as well.
 
He meant - Before the CWC. This series and England series for Pak might end up 0-10

At best it can be 7-3 still, but 0-10 is a realistic possibility, though I think PAK will win a game or two in last 2 games this series - once the Series is won, Aussies will relax the gas paddle and PAK should win 1-2 soft game, might win against Poms as well, but after 0-3 or 0-4.
 
I think what worries me is Pakistan were never in this match at any stage.

I can understand one team has to lose.

But we are not learning anything from these demoralizing losses except that Akmal is still useless and Malik is worse than Sarfraz as captain.
 
Not taking the dropped catches into account, Aus probably save around 20+ runs compared to Pak in the outfield.
 
I highly doubt they would go with the below team, but one can only be hopeful. Although Faheem, Shadab won't give you more than 20 runs and Asif Ali is not reliable you do bat until number 10 to cover your runs. Asif Ali needs to be persisted with need at least one person with the ability to strike big. With Faheem, Shadab, Wahab, Hassan and Shaheen you put yourself in a place to take wickets in the power play (Hassan and Shaheen), strike in the middle overs (Wahab, Hassan, Shadab), finish at the death (wahab, faheem).

Babar
Fakhar
Haris
Sarfraz WK
Hafeez
Asif Ali
Faheem
Shadab
Hassan Ali
Wahab
Shaheen
 
I have a meeting at 7:30. I thought i might not be able to watch the whole match. But Pakistan came to the rescue. Ended it early
 
The top order is all wrong Imam Shan Haris Rizwan isn't going to win games all 3 matches have been lost by slow starts.
Today the match was lost in 5 overs that tells you everything attack is the best form of defence but expect these batsmen to be around for some time yet.
 
He should but no point in playing at the same position where he is a proven failure. Why not try him in a different role for once

He doesn’t have the fitness to play an ODI game :dw. Very simple, from position 1-8 wherever he bats he wil not be able to bat more than 60 balls :rp.
 
Don't worry boys, we're just lulling everyone into false sense of security, the WC is in the bag. We like surprising and we will surprise you.
 
I highly doubt they would go with the below team, but one can only be hopeful. Although Faheem, Shadab won't give you more than 20 runs and Asif Ali is not reliable you do bat until number 10 to cover your runs. Asif Ali needs to be persisted with need at least one person with the ability to strike big. With Faheem, Shadab, Wahab, Hassan and Shaheen you put yourself in a place to take wickets in the power play (Hassan and Shaheen), strike in the middle overs (Wahab, Hassan, Shadab), finish at the death (wahab, faheem).

Babar
Fakhar
Haris
Sarfraz WK
Hafeez
Asif Ali
Faheem
Shadab
Hassan Ali
Wahab
Shaheen

Other than Wahab its decent. Wahab would be of less use in UK than Junaid, Amir or even Shinwari. Wahab could have easily played this series and would have been more effective than Abbas.
Also I would only play 4th seamer where the wicket is pacer friendly otherwise both Shadab and Imad should play.
 
He doesn’t have the fitness to play an ODI game :dw. Very simple, from position 1-8 wherever he bats he wil not be able to bat more than 60 balls :rp.

If thats the case than its pretty simple, dont select him.
 
I think what worries me is Pakistan were never in this match at any stage.

I can understand one team has to lose.

But we are not learning anything from these demoralizing losses except that Akmal is still useless and Malik is worse than Sarfraz as captain.

Everyone wants to make a cut and play for themselves rather than winning the game for pak. For a very long time the players are playing for themselves
 
Same here, though 6 of the regulars are being rested but still you expect atleast a fight. Some selections were very questionable as well.

This is something I don't agree - it might give false hope but in reality, PAK is resting 3 players - Babar, Hasan & Shaheen. We can consider Sarfraz as well since he is regular Captain, but no way he is better WK or batsman than Rizwan, while Fakhar, Shadab, Hafeez are making into the XI because PAK won't change squad before WC. And even then, Haris actually did exactly what Babar would have done in 1st 2 games, and Rizwan kept & batted better than Sarfraz could do .... where Aussies won with plenty to spare.

This is not considering that, at most 6 players from this Aussie team will play their WC games - Finch, Khwaza, one of Carey/Handscomb as WK, Cummins, Stoinis & Maxwell.

I think, these "reserve team" excuse is allowing to save some face, but I don't think with PAK's "perceived" 1st XI, result would have been different - in fact could be worse. Fakhar, Sarfraz & Hafeez won't combine better than Shan, Umar & Rizwan; playing Hasan & Shaheen means both JK & Shinwari out - who made it 20/2 this morning while Shadab is not bowling better than Yasir these days & Hasan has a stats like 60/6 in recent times. ...... Left is the fast bowling all-rounder Faheem Ashraf, whose WC fortune is saved here by being "rested".
 
My prediction of 190 all out becoming true..... dammm I know my team well🤓
 
Seriously Pakistan has most boring and incompetent opening combo it’s like 90s cricket
Imam and Shaan :facepalm:

Had Sharjeel not been stupid we would have Fakhar and him at WC sorry state for Pakistan with imam
 
This is something I don't agree - it might give false hope but in reality, PAK is resting 3 players - Babar, Hasan & Shaheen. We can consider Sarfraz as well since he is regular Captain, but no way he is better WK or batsman than Rizwan, while Fakhar, Shadab, Hafeez are making into the XI because PAK won't change squad before WC. And even then, Haris actually did exactly what Babar would have done in 1st 2 games, and Rizwan kept & batted better than Sarfraz could do .... where Aussies won with plenty to spare.

This is not considering that, at most 6 players from this Aussie team will play their WC games - Finch, Khwaza, one of Carey/Handscomb as WK, Cummins, Stoinis & Maxwell.

I think, these "reserve team" excuse is allowing to save some face, but I don't think with PAK's "perceived" 1st XI, result would have been different - in fact could be worse. Fakhar, Sarfraz & Hafeez won't combine better than Shan, Umar & Rizwan; playing Hasan & Shaheen means both JK & Shinwari out - who made it 20/2 this morning while Shadab is not bowling better than Yasir these days & Hasan has a stats like 60/6 in recent times. ...... Left is the fast bowling all-rounder Faheem Ashraf, whose WC fortune is saved here by being "rested".

Fakhar is a much better opener than Shan and Sarfaraz is better than current Malik in leadership skills. Full team didnt win but did decently in SA and lost 3-2 at the end and drawn the series vs NZ.

Hassan looked the best he has since CT 17 in PSL.
 
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This is something I don't agree - it might give false hope but in reality, PAK is resting 3 players - Babar, Hasan & Shaheen. We can consider Sarfraz as well since he is regular Captain, but no way he is better WK or batsman than Rizwan, while Fakhar, Shadab, Hafeez are making into the XI because PAK won't change squad before WC. And even then, Haris actually did exactly what Babar would have done in 1st 2 games, and Rizwan kept & batted better than Sarfraz could do .... where Aussies won with plenty to spare.

This is not considering that, at most 6 players from this Aussie team will play their WC games - Finch, Khwaza, one of Carey/Handscomb as WK, Cummins, Stoinis & Maxwell.

I think, these "reserve team" excuse is allowing to save some face, but I don't think with PAK's "perceived" 1st XI, result would have been different - in fact could be worse. Fakhar, Sarfraz & Hafeez won't combine better than Shan, Umar & Rizwan; playing Hasan & Shaheen means both JK & Shinwari out - who made it 20/2 this morning while Shadab is not bowling better than Yasir these days & Hasan has a stats like 60/6 in recent times. ...... Left is the fast bowling all-rounder Faheem Ashraf, whose WC fortune is saved here by being "rested".
lolz well summerised , they still think we have bradman rested.
 
Its funny how most of us predicted at the beginning of the chase that we would be all out under 200
 
Seriously Pakistan has most boring and incompetent opening combo it’s like 90s cricket
Imam and Shaan :facepalm:

Had Sharjeel not been stupid we would have Fakhar and him at WC sorry state for Pakistan with imam

This is the biggest myth - the context of ODI game has changed -you can't compare stats of different era.
You are cascading Imam, Azhar or Shan's recent stats (as opener), in to 90s context and thinking 45/65 would have made them Graham Gooch or Gordon Grineedge. Wrong - none of them has any rotational ability, Imam & Azhar doesn't have any shot, hardly any off side game while Shan struggles unless there is pace on the track - these openers will struggle to manage 20/50 stats in late 80s, early 90s.
 
lolz well summerised , they still think we have bradman rested.

Two guys averaging in 50s with bat and two guys averaging Under 25 with ball. Surely they wouldnt have done better than some great players here.
 
Its pointless debating what could have happened.

We lost because we played at 3 runs per over for 30 overs.
 
What will Malik say today ? It’s fun cricket :yk

His post match comments show how Pakistan cricket refuses to evolve. Talks about taking the game deep.
He has his own innings as a perfect example of how that works out. He won’t say it, but there ar sharper people in Pakistan cricket who should say it.
If you can’t get a move on in the beginning of your innings then it’s more down to your pedigree than anything else.
 
This series showed

Shan isnt an odi player
Its too early for husnain
Why was yasir shah selected?
Umar akmal is still the same old umar akmal.
Sarfraz is here to stay
Hafeez and fakhar are only hopes to score quick runs.

Yes, Umar is still the same and still being used as a lower order slogger. Shame. His ability to find the boundary is being used against him, as it always has been.

He should be at 4 for all games.
 
Men vs boys.

Doc, you seem to be emotionally involved today and that's bad.

Looks like you forgot we're ranked among the minnows in this format, and had no chance even with our first-choice team.



This is the biggest myth - the context of ODI game has changed -you can't compare stats of different era.
You are cascading Imam, Azhar or Shan's recent stats (as opener), in to 90s context and thinking 45/65 would have made them Graham Gooch or Gordon Grineedge. Wrong - none of them has any rotational ability, Imam & Azhar doesn't have any shot, hardly any off side game while Shan struggles unless there is pace on the track - these openers will struggle to manage 20/50 stats in late 80s, early 90s.

Well said.

I saw how limited Imam's strokeplay is in the PSL. Revelation. He's really bad at modern day batting.

Never supported Shan, some people got fooled by him recently.
 
Big concern here with our team. We can't chase whatever the Aussies set us when batting and unable to restrict the opposition when they bat first. It is how easily we are losing that is the major concern here with no player looking threatening. Umar repeatedly holds out at the boundary line as does Shoaib. Don't see to many big players in our side at all.
 
Imad needs to be drafted into the Test team as well. He can average around 35 with the bat and bowl long, economical spells.
I agree.
He can replace Bilal in 2 man spin attack and bat after Sarfraz, heck he can bat before him.
 
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