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Australia is the most consistent and dominant team in the history of the world cups.

I don’t remember the last time they were not in the semi finals.

For every World Cup , not having won by them, the road to the championship went through them.

But the way they have lost their back to back matches in this World Cup, it seems like finally they are about to have a disaster World Cup campaign and might not make semis at all.

What do you think
 
Aussies 0-2

I don’t see them winning against any major team in their current form.
 
Hats off to the Aussie teams on the 1990s and 2000s who were very competitive in tournaments played in Bharat.

But this Aussie team just cannot win in these conditions now. They don’t have what it takes frankly speaking.

They have a non existent batting line up bow.
 
1-4 : Southern Afrikaan, NZ, Bharat, Pakistan

5. England
6. Sri Lanka
7. Bangladesh
8. Australia
9. Afghanistan
10. Netherlands

This is how the table might look by the end of the robins
 
As @VForVendetta mentioned during the match thread, Pat Cummins' captaincy is a big issue for Australia.

He doesn't have the typical Aussie demanour about him. He's a quality player and competitor but he's not a leader of men. He's too soft and perhaps he's too woke to be leading an Australian cricket team.

It's sad for me to say all this because I'm a big fan of his bowling especially in tests, where he's ATG potential.
 
topspin said:
As @VForVendetta mentioned during the match thread, Pat Cummins' captaincy is a big issue for Australia.

He doesn't have the typical Aussie demanour about him. He's a quality player and competitor but he's not a leader of men. He's too soft and perhaps he's too woke to be leading an Australian cricket team.

It's sad for me to say this because I'm a big fan of his bowling. In tests, he's ATG potential.
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Bhai , Cummins has been a terrific leader for them. They’re the best test team for a reason since last 2 years.

They’re just playing uninspiring cricket now.

What the hell is Smith doing. People call him GOAT. Kaunsa goat hae bhai ye? Can’t do anything in white ball crickets

Labushane is supposed to be the future. lol
 
I think it is too early to judge them. They still have 7 games left. They would probably lose to England other than that i do not see them losing. 6 games would give them 12 points which would enough for them to go through semis.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Aussies 0-2

I don’t see them winning against any major team in their current form.
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they can still get into the semis. Teams need to win six and a reasonable NRR to get into semis. They have faced two title contenders in their first two matches. To go to semis they need to against minnows (SL, BD, AFG and NED) and two of three against PAK, NZ and Eng. Lets see.
 
SportsWarrior said:
they can still get into the semis. Teams need to win six and a reasonable NRR to get into semis. They have faced two title contenders in their first two matches. To go to semis they need to against minnows (SL, BD, AFG and NED) and two of three against PAK, NZ and Eng. Lets see.
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They have screwed their NRR big time and they don’t seem to have it in them to recover so much now

At best they’re fighting for the 4th spot , that too hoping their Nrr is alright
 
pakistanisgreat said:
I think it is too early to judge them. They still have 7 games left. They would probably lose to England other than that i do not see them losing. 6 games would give them 12 points which would enough for them to go through semis.
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yes and they are yet to play against all the four minnows. They can make up the NRR there. Two big wins against SL/BD/NED/AFG can make their run rate positive. They are still in it, but have made it difficult for themselves by not batting 50 overs. If they had batted all 50 overs and added another 50 it would have helped them a lot
 
topspin said:
As @VForVendetta mentioned during the match thread, Pat Cummins' captaincy is a big issue for Australia.

He doesn't have the typical Aussie demanour about him. He's a quality player and competitor but he's not a leader of men. He's too soft and perhaps he's too woke to be leading an Australian cricket team.

It's sad for me to say all this because I'm a big fan of his bowling especially in tests, where he's ATG potential.
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Cummins won the WTC.
Aaron Finch also doesn't have the typical Aussie demeanor, but he won the T20 WC.
 
SportsWarrior said:
yes and they are yet to play against all the four minnows. They can make up the NRR there. Two big wins against SL/BD/NED/AFG can make their run rate positive. They are still in it, but have made it difficult for themselves by not batting 50 overs. If they had batted all 50 overs and added another 50 it would have helped them a lot
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Dude, the way they are playing , I’m actually fancying chances of some of the bottom feeders against them now.

All they have to is survive an inspired spell from Josh Hazzlewood
 
topspin said:
As @VForVendetta mentioned during the match thread, Pat Cummins' captaincy is a big issue for Australia.

He doesn't have the typical Aussie demanour about him. He's a quality player and competitor but he's not a leader of men. He's too soft and perhaps he's too woke to be leading an Australian cricket team.

It's sad for me to say all this because I'm a big fan of his bowling especially in tests, where he's ATG potential.
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I posted a thread about that before the tournament. Another correct call. ..
 
SportsWarrior said:
they can still get into the semis. Teams need to win six and a reasonable NRR to get into semis. They have faced two title contenders in their first two matches. To go to semis they need to against minnows (SL, BD, AFG and NED) and two of three against PAK, NZ and Eng. Lets see.
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Yup. They have been poor so far but these weren’t the must win games for them.

They’ll still back themselves to beat Pakistan then it’s just a matter of one game against NZ or England.

Touch and go for the Aussies but they are far from out of it.
 
Both the losses of Australia came against two potential semi finalists. So Australia can still come back. But problem is not just the form. Problem is the combination. Labu & Smith together in the middle is a terrible combo. One of them has to sit out.
 
I think taking the captaincy away from Cummins will be a good starting point, his workload needs to be managed, because of the captaincy he is being forced to play every game and that is not good for his career longetivity.

The pacers had just played a gruelling ashes series and they need to be rested, rotated.

Most importantly the Australian team needs fresh new hungry players. This was one tournament to many for David Warner
 
Syed1 said:
Wait till they play Pakistan and we help their entire eleven achieve peak form then they will be a force to reckon with.
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Pakistan is going to CRUSH Aussies.

This is pretty much a repeat of 2011 to be honest. It’s becoming predictable

Just replace Sri Lanka with Southern Afrikaan
 
Untill they have not lost 4-5 games, they are not out.


Australia had the two hardest games upfront
 
Savak said:
I think taking the captaincy away from Cummins will be a good starting point, his workload needs to be managed, because of the captaincy he is being forced to play every game and that is not good for his career longetivity.

The pacers had just played a gruelling ashes series and they need to be rested, rotated.

Most importantly the Australian team needs fresh new hungry players. This was one tournament to many for David Warner
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Their bowling is not versatile enough. Ellis should have been part of the squad. His deceptive slower balls can be effective. Although he was a bit expensive bowled tough overs took 13 wickets in 10 ipl games. Some slow surfaces would suit his style of bowling.
 
Major said:
Untill they have not lost 4-5 games, they are not out.


Australia had the two hardest games upfront
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What 4-5?

This is a 9 game World Cup, anyone who loses 4 is out.

Even if you lose 3, you’re in real danger of going out as i expect 2-3 teams to tie up the 4th spot with 6 wins , and the best NRR team to go further.

Australia is well and truly screwed. Their NRR is poor. One more defeat and they’re almost out of the semis contention.
 
Australia is lucky they don't have to deal with the pressure that Subcontinent teams like India or Pakistan face when they play badly in the WC's. It is such a multi sport country that the Australian public by and large will brush off a poor WC campaign.
 
They got two of the toughest teams in this World Cup first up, with the advantage of having weaker opposition to come and knowing exactly what to do in those games.

I won’t count out Australia at this stage, it’s just too early.
 
Bhaijaan said:
1-4 : Southern Afrikaan, NZ, Bharat, Pakistan

5. England
6. Sri Lanka
7. Bangladesh
8. Australia
9. Afghanistan
10. Netherlands

This is how the table might look by the end of the robins
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My prediction
India/SA
SA/India
NZ
Eng
Pak
Aus
SL
BD
AFG
NED
 
Bhaijaan said:
They have screwed their NRR big time and they don’t seem to have it in them to recover so much now

At best they’re fighting for the 4th spot , that too hoping their Nrr is alright
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agree. very poor not to play the 50 overs. Starc had th right idea.. stay until 50 over get whatever you can and reduce the margin of defeat. Even getting to 240/250 would have helped.. So poor strategy

but Aus has the ability to win the next 7 matches. The way i look at it is there are two groups

1) title contenders - in no particular order - SA, Ind, Eng, Aus, Pak and NZ
2) Minnows - no chance of winning and order doesn't matter - SL, AFG, NED and BD

Every team has very good chance of beating minnows and get easy 8 points. They just need to beat two or three out of five games against title contenders. Aus has lost two against title contenders, but couple of weeks down the road if they all their matches against minnows they can bounce back. More knowing that they need to improve their NRR they can do against minnows. They wil still fight for 4th spot, but they can make it.. India, SA look locked. NZ has played against one big title contender and have won convincingly just like SA. But Eng has made a fabulous come back. I can't see why Aus can't do the same. Their next match is against SL. If they mess that up, they are goner.
 
Playing the wrong balance. Cummins doesn't make the XI every match. Travis Head's injury and having a fraud like Stoinis are causing problems.

Also, very one paced, brainless cricket with no smarts. You get the impression they are just winging it.

Very high skilled individuals(apart from Stoinis )but they're not sure how to get the best out of this team as a XI.

Netherlands is planning and executing better than these blokes.
 
They cannot play both Smith and Labuschagne in the same ODI lineup, M Marsh is not an ODI opener and they are clearly missing Head and Carey.

Australia is good enough to make the semifinals but bad selection/strategy and unfortunate injuries have derailed their campaign. This seems to be their most forgettable World Cup campaign since 1992.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Both the losses of Australia came against two potential semi finalists. So Australia can still come back. But problem is not just the form. Problem is the combination. Labu & Smith together in the middle is a terrible combo. One of them has to sit out.
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agree, Smith and Labu cannot play together in any good LOI team. Aus can still make a comeback but they have to get their combination right. Cummins and Zampa form is also worry.
 
Bhaijaan said:
What 4-5?

This is a 9 game World Cup, anyone who loses 4 is out.

Even if you lose 3, you’re in real danger of going out as i expect 2-3 teams to tie up the 4th spot with 6 wins , and the best NRR team to go further.

Australia is well and truly screwed. Their NRR is poor. One more defeat and they’re almost out of the semis contention.
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last world cup NZ made the cut with 5 wins. Pak lost out with NRR with five wins. So no teams can make it with five wins and six surely can get through unless NRR is very bad or minnows are too bad and don't cause a single upset
 
Mamoon said:
They cannot play both Smith and Labuschagne in the same ODI lineup, M Marsh is not an ODI opener and they are clearly missing Head and Carey.

Australia is good enough to make the semifinals but bad selection/strategy and unfortunate injuries have derailed their campaign. This seems to be their most forgettable World Cup campaign since 1992.
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Smith and Marnus have to make the XI currently. No other choice. When Head comes back , they can drop one of necessary.

They dropped a crucial catch of Kohli and then dropped 5 catches today I think.

They are playing terrible cricket all around . Not because of personnel.
 
Bhaijaan said:
You are overrating England.
Very soon you will see they too will get hammered by the major teams.
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I expect england to thump, NED, SL and AFG. They will probably win two out of Aus, Ind and Pak. That puts them in the contention. It all depends on how they play against SA. They are contenders
 
@Bhaijaan & @Cover Drive Six, just wanted to add a bit trivia that one can be a great test captain & yet pretty ordinary odi captain & vice versa. No one knows it better than us desis since Dravid & Misbah were exactly that types. On the contrary, Kapil was a fantastic odi captain, a champion yet a dud in test cricket. Most of your countrymen don't consider Virat as a great loi captain & Dhoni as a great test captain (even though I disagree on them). Case in point Cummins has been outstanding in test cricket because that's the format suits him the most. Unlike Hazel & Starc he never proved himself as a versatile multi format bowler. Purely based on merit & form he doesn't even deserve to play in the main xi. One needs to have a quick,sharp presence of mind & certain street level tactics to succeed in loi cricket, test cricket doesn't require those, since there's ample time to come back from behind.
Like @topspin mentioned the dude is too interested to prove himself woke & politically correct. Well Aus doesn't need an intellectual or philosopher on the helm. Guys like him or Paine are unfit to lead since they don't follow the Aussie blueprint. Which is very simple, always trying to win at any cost, courtesy be damned. Too much niceness will not work in Aussie system, that's against their culture.
 
They've had the toughest start of any of the teams at this World Cup.

Don't count them out just yet.

They'll be hurting - time for their main players to stand up.
 
SportsWarrior said:
last world cup NZ made the cut with 5 wins. Pak lost out with NRR with five wins. So no teams can make it with five wins and six surely can get through unless NRR is very bad or minnows are too bad and don't cause a single upset
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read it as "So no, teams ca make it with five wins." missed oxford comma :)
 
Saj said:
They've had the toughest start of any of the teams at this World Cup.

Don't count them out just yet.

They'll be hurting - time for their main players to stand up.
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They’re in a very unfamiliar territory now.

This is a long World Cup and they’re under pressure now big time. Usually they march to the semis with ease.
 
Mamoon said:
They cannot play both Smith and Labuschagne in the same ODI lineup, M Marsh is not an ODI opener and they are clearly missing Head and Carey.

Australia is good enough to make the semifinals but bad selection/strategy and unfortunate injuries have derailed their campaign. This seems to be their most forgettable World Cup campaign since 1992.
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Replacing Agar with Labu was always a recipe for disaster.
 
I guess the IPL has toned them down. Missed the aggro Aussie teams of the late 90s & 2000s. My idols lol ! Miss their sledging and abuses ! This Aussie team is too friendly especially with India. Miss the Steve Waugh, Ponting , McGarath Warne duel with the Indian team. Epic encounters. Nowadays the Ind Aus games are so meh
 
Bhaijaan said:
Bhai , Cummins has been a terrific leader for them. They’re the best test team for a reason since last 2 years.

They’re just playing uninspiring cricket now.

What the hell is Smith doing. People call him GOAT. Kaunsa goat hae bhai ye? Can’t do anything in white ball crickets

Labushane is supposed to be the future. lol
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Smith was never the GOAT in white ball cricket. They are missing Travis Head pretty badly. But other than a few the whole team is filled with bits and pieces players and that’s the main issue here.
 
I wouldn't count them out just yet
they had two tough games first up and are still to play Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Netherlands and Sri lanka which they should all win
Not impossible for them to win against us either, and they have NZ's number in tournaments. Most likely loss here is England.
 
A lot of it has to do with Cummins and Starc returning for injury with Australia also losing their best batsmen in recent times to injury right before the cup.
 
Saj said:
They've had the toughest start of any of the teams at this World Cup.

Don't count them out just yet.

They'll be hurting - time for their main players to stand up.
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On paper SAF was supposed to be beatable and not one of the favorites for the SF..
 
Mamoon said:
They cannot play both Smith and Labuschagne in the same ODI lineup, M Marsh is not an ODI opener and they are clearly missing Head and Carey.

Australia is good enough to make the semifinals but bad selection/strategy and unfortunate injuries have derailed their campaign. This seems to be their most forgettable World Cup campaign since 1992.
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Mamoon said:
They cannot play both Smith and Labuschagne in the same ODI lineup, M Marsh is not an ODI opener and they are clearly missing Head and Carey.

Australia is good enough to make the semifinals but bad selection/strategy and unfortunate injuries have derailed their campaign. This seems to be their most forgettable World Cup campaign since 1992.
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SportsWarrior said:
agree, Smith and Labu cannot play together in any good LOI team. Aus can still make a comeback but they have to get their combination right. Cummins and Zampa form is also worry.
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Nikhil_cric said:
Smith and Marnus have to make the XI currently. No other choice. When Head comes back , they can drop one of necessary.

They dropped a crucial catch of Kohli and then dropped 5 catches today I think.

They are playing terrible cricket all around . Not because of personnel.
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Marnus and Smith are not bad - they just need a good start by the openers..

Don’t judge them when Australia are 30-2 or 60-4 when they are forced to go into their shells..
 
Australia is one team that I don't want their backs to the wall when they play against us. I would have taken a winning streak Australia over this. Pakistan has had two ok performances, they really need to pick it up especially with the ball if they want to progress further and do well.
 
Really hoping Pakistan beats them and pretty much ends their WC hopes while Pakistan would be put in an extremely good position to make it to semi's then.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Australia is the most consistent and dominant team in the history of the world cups.

I don’t remember the last time they were not in the semi finals.

For every World Cup , not having won by them, the road to the championship went through them.

But the way they have lost their back to back matches in this World Cup, it seems like finally they are about to have a disaster World Cup campaign and might not make semis at all.

What do you think
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2011 WC.
 
They need to win 6 of 7 to be sure, it's a tall order but it's the Aussies and they have the players to do it
 
Sooner or later, the trio of Starc, Cummins and Hazlewood are going to rip up a batting lineup - let’s hope it’s not us
 
Australia played the first 2 games vs tougher sides everyone else had the luxuary to beat bangldesh Netherlands and Afghanistan
 
Bewal Express said:
They need to win 6 of 7 to be sure, it's a tall order but it's the Aussies and they have the players to do it
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Definitely doable. Bang Afg Neth - these 3 in the bag. They probably are looking to crush these 3 games & probably SL was well . Leaves them with Eng NZ & Pak. Faves against Pak. And NZ always have a mental block with AUs. So certainly Aus is still in it with a pretty good chance of qualifying.
 
Not surprising. Their squad is pretty unbalanced and dealt a further blow by the absence of Head. Too many bits and pieces players. That might work in T20s but on these flat pitches in ODIs you need specialists. Mitch Marsh has been really good recently but he is not a specialist opener. He should be batting in the middle order where this Aussie side lacks power. They would have been better off picking David and Sangha in place of Abbot/Stoinis or one of the keepers. Doesn't look easy for them from here as they now need a perfect run.
 
If Australia somehow still makes it to the semis, it would be slap in the face of a few teams.

This is a nation that barely adds 1 player to its line up in 2 years.

Maxwell who is a find of the 2010 is still their pinch hitter 🤣

Warner who is a find of 2008 is still their top opener and only hope for a decent score

Starc has no reason playing this World Cup if better bowlers had emerged in time.

Zampa their leading spinner lol this nation had Warne, Brad Hogg

Smith, Labushane are so mediocre and they have to play them.

Like come on, what is this gareeebi? Can’t add some refreshing new faces to the squad and still get to the semis for fun? Maybe even play final or win the whole thing?

Ridiculous for other nations if Aussies pull it off like this
 
Bhaijaan said:
If Australia somehow still makes it to the semis, it would be slap in the face of a few teams.

This is a nation that barely adds 1 player to its line up in 2 years.

Maxwell who is a find of the 2010 is still their pinch hitter 🤣

Warner who is a find of 2008 is still their top opener and only hope for a decent score

Starc has no reason playing this World Cup if better bowlers had emerged in time.

Zampa their leading spinner lol this nation had Warne, Brad Hogg

Smith, Labushane are so mediocre and they have to play them.

Like come on, what is this gareeebi? Can’t add some refreshing new faces to the squad and still get to the semis for fun? Maybe even play final or win the whole thing?

Ridiculous for other nations if Aussies pull it off like this
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But they do have a quality (and I think that is a national quality) that none of the other teams do - dogged determination and unparalleled mental strength. Can't write them off just yet.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Smith and Marnus have to make the XI currently. No other choice. When Head comes back , they can drop one of necessary.

They dropped a crucial catch of Kohli and then dropped 5 catches today I think.

They are playing terrible cricket all around . Not because of personnel.
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msb314 said:
Marnus and Smith are not bad - they just need a good start by the openers..

Don’t judge them when Australia are 30-2 or 60-4 when they are forced to go into their shells..
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Australia need to follow the England and New Zealand template. You can only have one accumulator (Root, Smith, Kane, Labuschagne).

Neither Smith nor Labuschagne have that extra gear which is necessary in these conditions.

They are both high quality batsmen but if they are the crease after the 40th over, Australia will always be 20-25 runs short.

Only way Australia can fit them both in Head’s absence is to open with either of the two and ask Warner to slog from ball one.

They are currently utilizing Marsh as a pinch-hitting opener but he will fail 8/10 times because he isn’t an opener.

Marsh should be batting in the middle-order. He can do some serious damage in that position especially against spinners.
 
Mamoon said:
Australia need to follow the England and New Zealand template. You can only have one accumulator (Root, Smith, Kane, Labuschagne).

Neither Smith nor Labuschagne have that extra gear which is necessary in these conditions.

They are both high quality batsmen but if they are the crease after the 40th over, Australia will always be 20-25 runs short.

Only way Australia can fit them both in Head’s absence is to open with either of the two and ask Warner to slog from ball one.

They are currently utilizing Marsh as a pinch-hitting opener but he will fail 8/10 times because he isn’t an opener.

Marsh should be batting in the middle-order. He can do some serious damage in that position especially against spinners.
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You're not getting my point. They have no option right now because the only other batters in the squad are Cam Green and Alex Carry. Travis Head is injured.

Only when Travis is available can they even think of dropping one of the accumulators even if they want to go that way.
 
Not sure why Khawaja isn’t in their squad

He should be opening with Warner. Travis Head can replace Labushange. Marsh is a much better number 6 option than Stoinis and Green.
 
Rana said:
Not sure why Khawaja isn’t in their squad

He should be opening with Warner. Travis Head can replace Labushange. Marsh is a much better number 6 option than Stoinis and Green.
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Agreed.

Khawaja should have been here
 
Nikhil_cric said:
You're not getting my point. They have no option right now because the only other batters in the squad are Cam Green and Alex Carry. Travis Head is injured.

Only when Travis is available can they even think of dropping one of the accumulators even if they want to go that way.
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Green is a significantly superior option than Labuschagne on ~350 pitches. The longer Labuschagne bats, the better it is for the opposition because the more likely Australia is to finish with a below par total.

As I said, Australia are struggling not just because of injuries but also because of poor strategy and tactics. They have been found wanting in this tournament.
 
Rana said:
Not sure why Khawaja isn’t in their squad

He should be opening with Warner. Travis Head can replace Labushange. Marsh is a much better number 6 option than Stoinis and Green.
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Good call. Khawaja would be a monster on these wickets.
 
Mamoon said:
Green is a significantly superior option than Labuschagne on ~350 pitches. The longer Labuschagne bats, the better it is for the opposition because the more likely Australia is to finish with a below par total.

As I said, Australia are struggling not just because of injuries but also because of poor strategy and tactics. They have been found wanting in this tournament.
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Even if that's the case , they are hell bent on playing only 1 of Inglis/Carey and only 1 of Stoinis/Green. So they have to play both Smith and Marnus at least until Travis Head is fit.

There are much bigger issues than Marnus in this lineup .

Stoinis is an an absolute terrible selection averaging 19 with the bat or something since March 2019 and is a nothing bowler as well.

Cummins is not a starter in this XI . His numbers haven't been impressive for a while . He's playing on captain's quota when earlier they were playing just 3 bowlers and doing just fine.

They are playing the additional bowler just to include Cummins. Zampa is completely out of form as well.

Dropped catches everywhere . It's a completely messed up balance and they look clueless.

Marnus has been their best batter since SA series - scored the most runs at a strike rate of 90.

They simply can't drop him now.
 
While they do look terrible at the moment with each player on his own with no team strategy but they also have been hard done by the 2 pitches. India one was of course tailor-made to favor India and yday pitch also looked very difficult to bat at th start of the 2nd inning. While next match is again in Lucknow against Lanka but post that it's mostly on good pitches and they would do better there.
 
Selections are very strange tbh. The point about Khawaja is an excellent one.

Warner
Khawaja
Head
Smith
Marsh
Maxwell
Inglis
Cummins
Starc
Zampa
Agar


Much better line up.
 
Good thing for Pakistan they can recover from this defeat by beating Australia next who are a minnow in this World Cup.
 
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