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Australia v India l 1st Test l December 9-13, 2014 l Adelaide

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So I think we can put rest to blind theories like:

1. Wrist spinners should ALWAYS be chosen over finger spinners (no doubt leggies are better than offies in Aus but can't apply the theory blindly without context - Even for Australia, Lyon is the main spinner...not some leggie - reg Karn, its not his fault but he has looked WAY TOO AVERAGE)

2. Bhuvi won't be good enough for Aus cos he depends on swing (Praveen did well in CB Series 2008 and guys like them keep things tight to build up pressure)
 
Someone said this on CricInfo

Matt: "Witnessing history here. Could be the first time in Test cricket history that the light is offered to the fielding side because they are in danger of being hit......"
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
So I think we can put rest to blind theories like:

1. Wrist spinners should ALWAYS be chosen over finger spinners (no doubt leggies are better than offies in Aus but can't apply the theory blindly without context - Even for Australia, Lyon is the main spinner...not some leggie - reg Karn, its not his fault but he has looked WAY TOO AVERAGE)

2. Bhuvi won't be good enough for Aus cos he depends on swing (Praveen did well in CB Series 2008 and guys like them keep things tight to build up pressure)
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Average Karn almost picked up a second wicket. Offies aren't gonna take wickets.Australia doesn't have good leggies that are ready. India doesn't have good offies apart from Ashwin. Australia doesn't have good leggies, so they got no options other than Lyon.
 
Thivagar said:
Average Karn almost picked up a second wicket. Offies aren't gonna take wickets.Australia doesn't have good leggies that are ready. India doesn't have good offies apart from Ashwin. Australia doesn't have good leggies, so they got no options other than Lyon.
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Yes but the price at which the wickets come matters bro. And how the wickets come matters too.

Karn may have a good international future but at this run rate, his wickets as of now aren't of use.

Vijay showed us that you CAN bowl with being economical.

I am not expecting Karn to be as economical as an offie but 4 rpo?
 
why are they bowling to his strength? the guy is injured bounce him, make him duck .
 
NZcricketfan said:
I think the 50 overs he had to bowl in that last innings of the NZ test was the straw that broke the camels back
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Because he was average, his bowling took a deep nosedive when faced with huge workloads.

He was pretty bad in the latter part of the JoBerg test too when he had a lot of workload.

But yeah NZ test may have injured him and finished his career for good.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Yes but the price at which the wickets come matters bro. And how the wickets come matters too.

Karn may have a good international future but at this run rate, his wickets as of now aren't of use.

Vijay showed us that you CAN bowl with being economical.

I am not expecting Karn to be as economical as an offie but 4 rpo?
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That is usually the rpo in Australia. Spinners average 63 there.
 
Its an overcast day in OZ. What the hell are your pacers doing?

This isn't net practice for Dhawan to make him feel better.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Yes but the price at which the wickets come matters bro. And how the wickets come matters too.

Karn may have a good international future but at this run rate, his wickets as of now aren't of use.

Vijay showed us that you CAN bowl with being economical.

I am not expecting Karn to be as economical as an offie but 4 rpo?
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Karn Sharma is not good enough, simple as that. There are no good leg spinners in international cricket. I would have gone with Mishra instead of Karn Sharma. But it is normal to get curious and try variety of leggies. Aaron and Shami are being expensive too, that doesn't mean medium-pacers should be preferred over Fast bowlers. India at the moment doesn't have good spinners, Ashwin away from home isn't good enough. There was nothing wrong with giving Karn Sharma the chance.
 
AmreekanDesi said:
That is usually the rpo in Australia. Spinners average 63 there.
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Bro, barring part timers, spinners don't average that much.

Maybe here and there but not overall.

Last 2 year stats (for more accurate representation of Aussie pitches):

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...2;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling

With that being said, maybe Karn can do well in other Aussie pitches. Its possible.

But he was a gamble. Calculated gamble but still a gamble.
 
Somehow we'll still find a way to lose this in spite of all the time wasted.
 
Sriram Sridhar: "Rain has been our best bowler so far in day 2. Bowling short spells regularly, putting Australian attack on hold and frustrating them."
 
For once, we get a bowler who can bowl 145+ consistently but alas has got zero brains, does not know how to set up batsmen, how to pick wickets. 2/97. 3/153 and here 2/132 - not sure how long can Aaron getting picked with these kind of figures
 
Its a draw from here. Not expecting the Aussies to run over the Indian batsmen. Expecting a 350+ from the Indians.
 
cricketindiafan said:
For once, we get a bowler who can bowl 145+ consistently but alas has got zero brains, does not know how to set up batsmen, how to pick wickets. 2/97. 3/153 and here 2/132 - not sure how long can Aaron getting picked with these kind of figures
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In hindsight, experience in Australia (Umesh Yadav) should have been given higher priority.
 
AmreekanDesi said:
Sorry I meant spinners of visiting teams!
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Bro, in my last link, barring Lyon and Warner (who bowled a total of 4 overs in 2 years) - all are spinners from visiting teams.

Swann was the worst with 3.94 but with his elbow surgery he was similarly thrashed around in Aussie pitches.

Here's the last 4 year stats too - http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...0;spanval2=span;template=results;type=bowling

But with that being said, maybe its just one of the games. Karn could sort his economy in the subsequent games.
 
Thivagar said:
Karn Sharma is not good enough, simple as that. There are no good leg spinners in international cricket. I would have gone with Mishra instead of Karn Sharma. But it is normal to get curious and try variety of leggies. Aaron and Shami are being expensive too, that doesn't mean medium-pacers should be preferred over Fast bowlers. India at the moment doesn't have good spinners, Ashwin away from home isn't good enough. There was nothing wrong with giving Karn Sharma the chance.
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Ashwin is improving bro.

I saw a marked improvement in his bowling in England.

He is our future and needs to be backed so that he can mature overseas.

If there is another spinner who is absolutely better than him in Tests, I wouldn't mind him being dropped. But that's not the case.

Karn was a good experiment but I want Ashwin back the 2nd Test.
 
Its a crime Umesh wasn't playing and Shami was.

If they had picked 4 pacers and a spinner, Shami could have played.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Bro, in my last link, barring Lyon and Warner (who bowled a total of 4 overs in 2 years) - all are spinners from visiting teams.

Swann was the worst with 3.94 but with his elbow surgery he was similarly thrashed around in Aussie pitches.

Here's the last 4 year stats too - http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...0;spanval2=span;template=results;type=bowling

But with that being said, maybe its just one of the games. Karn could sort his economy in the subsequent games.
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I am not that optimistic bro. If he can't contain in Adelaide, Gabba is gonna be even tougher.
Australia is anyway not the best country for a spinner to debut.

Dunno about the figures. May be it is because many teams chose to bowl part-timers.
Some figures were quoted here. www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/video_audio/808355.html
 
Electron said:
Yes, this should have been the case, but practice match's performance has been given a lot weightage, which is fair.
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Not at all mate. Performance in a practice match against school-going guys is hardly an indicator of future success. Of course, the club crikceters are going to indimidated by express pace.

BTW, Umesh Yadav wasnt even played in the first practice game!
 
What the hell are they doing??

Can't even get a injured Clarke out.:facepalm:

Where have all the 150+ phast bowlers gone??
 
Arsal_AK said:
What the hell are they doing??

Can't even get a injured Clarke out.:facepalm:

Where have all the 150+ phast bowlers gone??
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yah our bowlers deserve all the criticism but bro this is ADELAIDE, the same venue where even Harbhajan and Kumble were too hot to handle for bowlers like lee and johnson in 2008. And aaron nowhere near to the johnson v1 forget about johnson v2.
 
Aussies will just want to bat for one innings now. Post close to 600 on the board and let the Indian batting crumble by Day 4.
 
The bowling is reason why I don't believe much in Ind winning the WC AND put them in 3/4 position with England
 
Food for thought, no Indian is on that list.
 
dropped by ishant. next ball caught by pujara. clarke gone
 
I expect it to be over by e.o.d tomorrow. They arent mentally strong enough nor skillful enough for the aussies right now.

Atleast we lasted 3 days. Maybe on the next tour we should aim to last 4 days.
 
Stumps - 7/517.

3 days enough for Australia to take 20 Indian wickets.
 
[MENTION=78395]BlackThunder[/MENTION] does all the trash talk and then disappears when the phainta starts.

Hope he's enjoying the blue blood everywhere like he wanted. #bleedblue
 
The match is pretty much over unless someone plays an inspiring innings from Indian side and get a draw here that would defn give us a boost for Brisbane where we are bound to lose.
 
I do rate Steve Smith's batting. i think he can get better as a leggie too. Puts some real revs on on the ball.
 
Robert said:
I do rate Steve Smith's batting. i think he can get better as a leggie too. Puts some real revs on on the ball.
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Smokey to be Captaining Australia in the Ashes next year
 
Indians here are underestimating their batting. They arent that bad.. I can easily see them draw this test match.
 
JibranAnsari said:
Indians here are underestimating their batting. They arent that bad.. I can easily see them draw this test match.
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I reckon Rhino and Johnno will have something to say about that. These Indians either lack technique or bottle, Dhoni apart.
 
Robert said:
I reckon Rhino and Johnno will have something to say about that. These Indians either lack technique or bottle, Dhoni apart.
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bro i think you didn't watch last 3 test in england series, this indian batting fall like pack of cards when going get's tough. They are as poor away from home as they come. Innings loss written all over it. Aussies will make around 550, than Rock stars will get all out on day 3 in about 240 runs and on day 4 around 270 runs in 2nd inning. Oz will win by inning in just 4 days. Those who are even thinking that india will get away with a draw they should better face the reality. And recent history and calibre of indian batting suggest that they don't have in them to score 700 runs are bat all 3 days. So indian fans should just pray for a miracle are more rain to get away with a draw.
 
Judging by the comments of Pakistani fans on Indian batting one would assume that scoring 200s and 300s in Australia and South Africa is bayen haath ka khel for their batsmen.
 
Australia v India | 1st Test | December 9-13 | Adelaide | Day 3

Aus 517-7. Tough day ahead for India.
 
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