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Australia v New Zealand | 2nd Test | WACA | Nov 13-17, 2015 | Match Thread

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Aman said:
Difficult to set fields when the batsmen are going at close to 6 an over.
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The reason they are going at that rate is due to his stupid tactics, there is absolutely no pressure on batsman with only one slip.

Put four slips and batsmans mentality completely changes when they see men on boundaries everywhere they just relax and play their game.
 
I've had enough of this gonna get some kip expect score to be 400-3 when I wake up.
 
khalil1986 said:
The reason they are going at that rate is due to his stupid tactics, there is absolutely no pressure on batsman with only one slip.

Put four slips and batsmans mentality completely changes when they see men on boundaries everywhere they just relax and play their game.
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No point having slips when your bowlers aren't getting them playing and missing.

Better to save runs and have Aus take longer to score 550 and declare because our bowlers are incapable of bowling Aus out on these wickets.
 
Aman said:
No point having slips when your bowlers aren't getting them playing and missing.

Better to save runs and have Aus take longer to score 550 and declare because our bowlers are incapable of bowling Aus out on these wickets.
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Good luck with this mentality LOL

If McCullum is thinking the same way this test will end within 4 days.

Attack is the only way you are getting back in this you will not keep a lid on rate even if you put 10 men on boundaries.
 
Aman said:
No point having slips when your bowlers aren't getting them playing and missing.

Better to save runs and have Aus take longer to score 550 and declare because our bowlers are incapable of bowling Aus out on these wickets.
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and then what ?
 
Aman said:
No point having slips when your bowlers aren't getting them playing and missing.

Better to save runs and have Aus take longer to score 550 and declare because our bowlers are incapable of bowling Aus out on these wickets.
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You cannot save runs , if you do not get wickets. As a fielding side you need to look for wickets.
 
Burns is going to be a terrible opener, he's so jittery outside the off stump.

Understand Convict's skepticism now.

Should be batting in the middle order.
 
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khalil1986 said:
Good luck with this mentality LOL

If McCullum is thinking the same way this test will end within 4 days.

Attack is the only way you are getting back in this you will not keep a lid on rate even if you put 10 men on boundaries.
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McCullum understands what he has, he can't attack (bowlers aren't doing the job and it leaves too many gaps open for Aus to score) and risk Aus racking up 400 up in a day and give the Aussies more time to bowl us out.
 
Aman said:
McCullum understands what he has, he can't attack (bowlers aren't doing the job and it leaves too many gaps open for Aus to score) and risk Aus racking up 400 up in a day and give the Aussies more time to bowl us out.
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They will have 400 anyway
 
khalil1986 said:
They will have 400 anyway
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Nah, we attacked at the Gabba, had Neesham and Craig bowl a lot and they almost scored 400 in a day.

If we keep defensive fields and keep our 4 pacers operating we should restrict them to around 350.

People struggle to understand that there's no point in having catchers in when the ball is literally doing nothing, all you're doing is giving the opposition more gaps to hit.
 
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The thing to note here is that , Aussies getting runs quickly also. Kiwis under serious trouble here.
 
Aman said:
Another issue with the Kookburra... they never last... always happens in NZ Tests as well.

NZ Tests are always like this - wickets up front, followed by teams consolidating and building partnerships in the middle before the second new ball usually takes another 1-3 wickets and allows the bowlers to wrap up the tail.
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Aman take a look at this scorecard,
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/592397.html

Can you explain how you came to the conclusions about the Kookaburra ball, I'm interested because the figures are the opposite of what you claim.
 
Gilly said:
Aman take a look at this scorecard,
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/592397.html

Can you explain how you came to the conclusions about the Kookaburra ball, I'm interested because the figures are the opposite of what you claim.
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That's how it behaves in NZ.

The kookaburra is practically the same here, much easier to play against after the initial 8-10 overs. Unless you think otherwise?
 
Burns is a terrible opener [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] #indecisiveoutsideoff
 
Aman said:
That's how it behaves in NZ.

The kookaburra is practically the same here, much easier to play against after the initial 8-10 overs. Unless you think otherwise?
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You guys should use the SG ball.
 
Aman said:
That's how it behaves in NZ.

The kookaburra is practically the same here, much easier to play against after the initial 8-10 overs. Unless you think otherwise?
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The score cards tell a different story that's why I asked, I will look at scorecards from NZ to see what you mean.
 
Gilly said:
The score cards tell a different story that's why I asked, I will look at scorecards from NZ to see what you mean.
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Don't look at the scorecards, watch the matches. It becomes so much easier to bat as the ball gets older in NZ.
 
Aman said:
That's how it behaves in NZ.

The kookaburra is practically the same here, much easier to play against after the initial 8-10 overs. Unless you think otherwise?
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Looking at the score cards for NZ home matches I cant find a match where the ball behaves as you claim, did you have a particular match in mind because what you have claimed is not correct.
 
Aman said:
Don't look at the scorecards, watch the matches. It becomes so much easier to bat as the ball gets older in NZ.
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I do watch the matches and in all cricket matches the ball becomes easier to score off as it gets older, not just the kookaburra. I could not see how you reached the conclusions you did so instead of just disputing what you said I did a bit of research and it confirmed that what you said is not right.
 
Gilly said:
I do watch the matches and in all cricket matches the ball becomes easier to score off as it gets older, not just the kookaburra. I could not see how you reached the conclusions you did so instead of just disputing what you said I did a bit of research and it confirmed that what you said is not right.
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But he is saying that the duke and sg balls last longer than the kookaburra balls. As in the kookaburra gets softer much earlier.
 
Gilly said:
I do watch the matches and in all cricket matches the ball becomes easier to score off as it gets older, not just the kookaburra. I could not see how you reached the conclusions you did so instead of just disputing what you said I did a bit of research and it confirmed that what you said is not right.
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The issue is there is literally nothing for the bowlers for almost 70 overs whereas the duke swings for longer and doesn't wear out as easily.
 
Aman said:
The issue is there is literally nothing for the bowlers for almost 70 overs whereas the duke swings for longer and doesn't wear out as easily.
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What do you mean, Australia took 20 wickets last match, there have been very few drawn matches in Aus and NZ so teams are taking 20 wickets is not a problem. Maybe NZ bowlers are to one dimensional. You cant blame the ball for a teams inability to take 20 wickets.
 
Gilly said:
What do you mean, Australia took 20 wickets last match, there have been very few drawn matches in Aus and NZ so teams are taking 20 wickets is not a problem. Maybe NZ bowlers are to one dimensional. You cant blame the ball for a teams inability to take 20 wickets.
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Just because Aus took 20 wickets doesn't mean it wasn't easier to bat as the ball got older.
 
Aman said:
Haven't personally heard it, but have seen Junaid saying it on here.
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Milne made his comeback in a T20 on Tuesday after three weeks off with sore shins after playing all the ODIs and the First "Test" against Sri Lanka A last month.

It's the same muddled thinking which will see Pakistan omit Irfan from the Tests in Australia a year from now.

There are no important ODI tourneys left in Irfan's career. So manage his workload and training regime to optimise his pace and stamina, then use him in the First and Third Tests in Australia, but like the 2013-14 Mitchell Johnson tell Azhar Ali that he is limited to one 4 over spell each session.

I simply don't believe that Irfan cannot bowl 12 overs at pace in a day.

And no other Pakistani is tall enough to push all Aussie batters onto the back foot from a full length.
 
Trent Bolt is so over rated, its unbelievable. Same goes for Southee. Just like Anderson, so dependant on clouds.
 
Warner what a beast he is. Scoring tins at such a fast clip always. Bowling to him has to be very demoralising for NZ.
 
Aman said:
Burns is going to be a terrible opener, he's so jittery outside the off stump.

Understand Convict's skepticism now.

Should be batting in the middle order.
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He should be batting five but instead we are wasting a spot on Voges.
 
Warner's quite an amazing opener. A tool of a person but no one can doubt his skill with willow in hand. Khawaja has done well for himself too, seems to have booked a spot in the team for the near future, at least.
 
People should realise when Chacha is taking the mick out of Junaids
 
Don't understand how Aussies can enjoy cricket on such wickets.

Soo boring, literally nothing there for the bowlers.

You can bang on about winning the last game, but your bowlers struggled out there too, had our batsmen better applied themselves we should have scraped the draw.
 
Aman said:
Don't understand how Aussies can enjoy cricket on such wickets.

Soo boring, literally nothing there for the bowlers.

You can bang on about winning the last game, but your bowlers struggled out there too, had our batsmen better applied themselves we should have scraped the draw.
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Maybe if you guys didn't bowl rubbish there might be something for the bowlers
 
Aman said:
Don't understand how Aussies can enjoy cricket on such wickets.

Soo boring, literally nothing there for the bowlers.

You can bang on about winning the last game, but your bowlers struggled out there too, had our batsmen better applied themselves we should have scraped the draw.
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Just because your team is getting thrashed :P
 
Convict said:
Maybe if you guys didn't bowl rubbish there might be something for the bowlers
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Your bowlers were pretty terrible at the Gabba too. Only difference was our batsmen were more generous than yours.
 
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Nikhil_cric said:
Just because your team is getting thrashed :P
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Smashed or not, these wickets are inflating stats. If wickets continue to be prepared like this, don't be surprised to see all of Sachins records be wiped out.

In this era, the likes of Warner (12/16 100's in Aus now, diff of 20 between home and away average), Smith and Kohli (4 100's in 1 series...) are the equivalent of Bradman in Australia.

May as well hope KW cashes in and joins the fake Bradman brigade.
 
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Waca is a fantastic cricket wicket, offers value to both consistent batters and consistent bowlers, clearly this kiwi attack is heavily reliant on seaming conditions and is way to one dimensional with the lack of genuine pace
 
saj786 said:
Waca is a fantastic cricket wicket, offers value to both consistent batters and consistent bowlers, clearly this kiwi attack is heavily reliant on seaming conditions and is way to one dimensional with the lack of genuine pace
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WACA pace and bounce is over rated, the Gabba had more pace and bounce than this.
 
Aman said:
Smashed or not, these wickets are inflating stats. If wickets continue to be prepared like this, don't be surprised to see all of Sachins records be wiped out.

In this era, the likes of Warner (12/16 100's in Aus now, diff of 20 between home and away average), Smith and Kohli (4 100's in 1 series...) are the equivalent of Bradman in Australia.

May as well hope KW cashes in and joins the fake Bradman brigade.
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Aussie wickets have been flat for years and years now. But you're only complaining selectively when your team is getting spanked. Even we got flat wickets last year and SA in 2012. I expect Pakistan to get these flat decks next year as well.
 
If that's the case then why didn't kiwis get big monster scores at the gabba, or are the kiwis out of their depth on these wickets, this is TEST cricket
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Aussie wickets have been flat for years and years now. But you're only complaining selectively when your team is getting spanked. Even we got flat wickets last year and SA in 2012. I expect Pakistan to get these flat decks next year as well.
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I was complaining last year too when Kohli and Smith were scoring centuries for fun.

Flat wickets are terrible for cricket, they only inflate stats and take the bowlers out of the game.
 
saj786 said:
If that's the case then why didn't kiwis get big monster scores at the gabba, or are the kiwis out of their depth on these wickets, this is TEST cricket
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We batted poorly and gifted the majority of our wickets away (with only a handful of wickets being from genuine wicket deliveries, off memory Starcs delivery to Latham and Hazlewoods to Guptill).

Go watch the highlights, the Aussie pacers were struggling out there (Hazlewood averaging close to 50 and Johno averaging 40).
 
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Aman said:
WACA pace and bounce is over rated, the Gabba had more pace and bounce than this.
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Can't agree
Generally day one is like this then from day 2 and the extra 5-10 km in speed by the aussy quicks will make life uncomfortable for the kiwi flat track bullies
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Aussie wickets have been flat for years and years now. But you're only complaining selectively when your team is getting spanked. Even we got flat wickets last year and SA in 2012. I expect Pakistan to get these flat decks next year as well.
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When were Aussie wickets not flat?
 
Aman said:
WACA pace and bounce is over rated, the Gabba had more pace and bounce than this.
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Aman said:
We batted poorly and gifted the majority of our wickets away (with only a handful of wickets being from genuine wicket deliveries, off memory Starcs delivery to Latham and Hazlewoods to Guptill).

Go watch the highlights, the Aussie pacers were struggling out there as well.
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It's about applying the pressure, the kiwis medium pacers were like scatter guns, on the other hand Australia set attacking fields all the time
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Aussie wickets have been flat for years and years now. But you're only complaining selectively when your team is getting spanked. Even we got flat wickets last year and SA in 2012. I expect Pakistan to get these flat decks next year as well.
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Not this flat.

Are you telling me Kohli is soooo far ahead of Sachin and Gavaskar that he could score 4 100s in 1 tour while those two managed 5-6 100s in some 4-5 tours to Aus.
 
Aus have the rights to prepare whatever pitch they want but when they come across a batting team who can cash in too, it makes for terribly boring cricket.

Our 0-2 in Australia 2014/15 was one hell of a boring series.
 
saj786 said:
It's about applying the pressure, the kiwis medium pacers were like scatter guns, on the other hand Australia set attacking fields all the time
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You don't get it.

Pressure is difficult to build when the batsmen (who have played on these wickets their whole lives) can easily get on the front foot and hit you for 4 every second ball.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Aus have the rights to prepare whatever pitch they want but when they come across a batting team who can cash in too, it makes for terribly boring cricket.

Our 0-2 in Australia 2014/15 was one hell of a boring series.
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Warner and Smith will smash Sachins records if they continue to prepare pitches like this. An easy 4-5 centuries every summer.
 
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