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Australia v New Zealand | 2nd Test | WACA | Nov 13-17, 2015 | Match Thread

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Aman said:
Pathetic.

The most embarrassing day in NZC in recent memory, performances like this will only push fans away from cricket and back to rugby and rugby league.

It's because of the black caps cricket isn't popular in NZ, for a sport to be successful there must be a decent team to get behind.

Losing to the Aussies like this is unacceptable, especially considering our long dominance over them in rugby and recent dominance over them in league.
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Are NZ supporters fairweather supporters then, all behind the team if they are winning and if they start losing they all ditch the team and look for another team that is winning. Do you really want supporters that are like that then.
 
dashing_man said:
yes a side is not overrated when they haven't won a test series against SA for GOD knows how long and they haven't won a series against Pakistan for over 30 years now. Even when Pakistan was down in tatters after the 2003 World Cup, New Zealand got whitewashed by the young lads. Yes, definitely not overrated
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LL Why are you bringing up old records? When did Pakistan won a Test series against Zimbabwe last?
 
Amjid Javed said:
Batsmen friendly conditions or not, to conceed 400 runs in a day is always going to be down to some good batting and pathetic bowling, 2nd test in a row the kiwis have bowled to short and both sides of the wicket in the game.
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Exactly my point and honestly you can see NZ fans here losing excuses too...We should win because we beat them in rugby was the last one I read here :yk
 
irrelevant but I like Warner as a person from what I see of him. Johnson as well but Warner especially. He just has a certain charisma, confidence, and grit about him. But at the same time seems to possess a certain amount of modesty and overall seems like a kind-hearted individual who cares for those around him. Just gives that impression. Would love a guy like that on Pakistan. Also walks the walk, not just unnecessarily judgement and talk like Brendon "Nice guy" McCullum Bhai
 
Firebreaker said:
LL Why are you bringing up old records? When did Pakistan won a Test series against Zimbabwe last?
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Is Pakistan standard for dominance in cricket ??? Pakistan is most unpredictable side in international cricket.
 
Smith in and already looking in good touch, kiwis again seem to have no bowling plans to Aussie batsmen.

410/2
 
LOL Why are Pakistanis acting like Kings or what? Pakistan have failed to win a Test series against Zimbabwe for I reckon last 4 years
 
dashing_man said:
:facepalm: and I thought you were trying to make some useful arguments
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Absolutely no argument KIWI fans can make today...they are thumped by Aussies and all they can do is talk about Pakistan,India,Bangladesh,Zimbabwe depending on nationality of poster.
 
Gilly said:
Are NZ supporters fairweather supporters then, all behind the team if they are winning and if they start losing they all ditch the team and look for another team that is winning. Do you really want supporters that are like that then.
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Cricket isn't a popular sport (although the popularity has grown with the recent success), for the sport to grow they need to be able to follow the sport, as a new fan would you want to see NZ get pasted like this against Australia? Hell no, they'd probably switch over to shortland street, high school rugby or RWC highlights.

Why do you think NZ are so good at producing great rugby players? Because all the kids aspire to become All Blacks, the jersey represents sporting excellence, most of the Black Caps playing probably had the same dream.
 
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Overall a good say for the Kiwi's they prevented the openers from posting another 150 opening stand so that's an improvement.
 
Firebreaker said:
LOL Why are Pakistanis acting like Kings or what? Pakistan have failed to win a Test series against Zimbabwe for I reckon last 4 years
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You compared NZ to Pakistan not us ??? I think everyone here who is talking supporting Aus and not Pakistan whom are thumping Kiwis quite good.
 
Aman said:
Cricket isn't a popular sport, for the sport to grow they need to be able to follow the sport. Why do you think NZ are so good at producing great rugby players? Because all the kids aspire to become All Blacks, most of the Black Caps playing probably had the same dream.
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Oh OK, its just when the WC was on you were telling us how popular cricket was and how easy it was to pack the stadiums and how good the crowds were. That was only for the WC was it.
 
Aman said:
Cricket isn't a popular sport (although the popularity has grown with the recent success), for the sport to grow they need to be able to follow the sport.

Why do you think NZ are so good at producing great rugby players? Because all the kids aspire to become All Blacks, most of the Black Caps playing probably had the same dream.
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By this logic of yours most people cant even play/watch cricket in Pakistan due to terrorism.

It is hardly an excuse simple thing to say is that your bowlers are bowling bad plain and simple and Aussies are batting good. All other excuses you are making is just whining, DRS,Rugby,Cricket not famous etc.
 
dashing_man said:
:facepalm: and I thought you were trying to make some useful arguments
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LOL I asked you a question why don't you answer that.Its not like NZ were overrated forever.They are rated highly since 2014 and given their record it is not that bad.They drew with Pakistan at their so called home where Australia were bashed
 
Gilly said:
Oh OK, its just when the WC was on you were telling us how popular cricket was and how easy it was to pack the stadiums and how good the crowds were. That was only for the WC was it.
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Yeah, the CWC helped to increase the popularity as I said but the handwork done in the WC is quickly being undone here.
 
dhump said:
By this logic of yours most people cant even play/watch cricket in Pakistan due to terrorism.

It is hardly an excuse simple thing to say is that your bowlers are bowling bad plain and simple and Aussies are batting good. All other excuses you are making is just whining, DRS,Rugby,Cricket not famous etc.
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Excuse for what? We've been outplayed, no excuse for that.

From a cricket fan perspective, the wicket is terrible - I hate matches on these wickets.

From a NZC perspective, it hurts to see the handwork undone.
 
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Brilliant day of test cricket....Hats off to Warner what an amazing entertainment provided here.
I hope he get past 400 tomorrow.
 
Aus 416/2 at close of play - kiwis well and truely mauled and already in a situation where they will be fighting to save the game after just 1 day.
 
Those of you who are as old as I am will see the similarities between this WACA Test and Chris Cairns' debut there in 1989-90, in a lower scoring era.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/63517.html

Richard Hadlee had done his Achilles, and Australia batted first and scored 296-2 on Day 1 - the precise equivalent of 416-2 today - after Chris Cairns broke down.

Australia ended up declaring at 9/521 and the Kiwis were 0/25 at the end of Day 2.

On Day 3 Martin Crowe and Mark Greatbatch batted for 3 and 4 hours respectively for innings of just 62 and 76, but allowed New Zealand to close at 8/218.

Early on Day 4 the Kiwis were dismissed for 231, at which point Allan Border enforced the follow-on. New Zealand crawled to 4/168, with Mark Greatbatch batting even more slowly than in the first innings.

On Day 5 not only did Mark Greatbatch extend his innings to 146 not out in 11 hours, but the number 9 batsman Martin Snedden batted for 3 hours 22 minutes - at the WACA! - to secure the draw, with New Zealand 7/322 from an incredible 162 overs.

So how did New Zealand save that unsavable Test? The answer is by slowing the game down, by batting against the clock rather than the scoreboard.

It doesn't rain in Perth.

If Brendon McCullum wants to save this match, he needs his team to bat for over 250 overs, just like the 1989-90 one did.
 
Great time innings from Warner against a good test bowling attack. I don't think there s another batsman in world cricket today who can score 244 at a strike rate of 90 irrespective of how flat the pitch is.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Great time innings from Warner against a good test bowling attack. I don't think there s another batsman in world cricket today who can score 244 at a strike rate of 90 irrespective of how flat the pitch is.
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In all honestly, our attack is no better than a club attack in such conditions.

Our bowlers are overly reliant on swing and aren't good enough for these conditions, as we've find out this series.

Heck, the Indians have bowlers have bowled better than us...
 
Aman said:
In all honestly, our attack is no better than a club attack in such conditions.

Our bowlers are overly reliant on swing and aren't good enough for these conditions as we've find out this series.

Heck, the Indians have bowlers have bowled better than us...
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That's a pointless argument. Even English seam attack struggled in Australia apart from Broad and Saffers didn't do great either. These four are the top 4 fast bowling attacks in the world. Warner can only score off the bowlers in front of him
 
Nikhil_cric said:
That's a pointless argument. Even English seam attack struggled in Australia apart from Broad and Saffers didn't do great either. These four are the top 4 fast bowling attacks in the world. Warner can only score off the bowlers in front of him
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Scoring a ton against Boult and Southee here is equivalent to score a ton against MJ in Dubai, it's just not the same as they've been neutralized.

It's not a mark against Warner, it's more at your point of calling our attack 'quality' after being pasted for 400 runs in a days cricket (1,000 odd for 5 or w.e for the series).
 
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Warner prospers at the WACA because he adapts to the bounce quickly.
 
Aman said:
Nah, we attacked at the Gabba, had Neesham and Craig bowl a lot and they almost scored 400 in a day.

If we keep defensive fields and keep our 4 pacers operating we should restrict them to around 350.

People struggle to understand that there's no point in having catchers in when the ball is literally doing nothing, all you're doing is giving the opposition more gaps to hit.
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Sure McCullum is a genius oh wait they just scored over 400
 
Aman said:
Scoring a ton against Boult and Southee here is equivalent to score a ton against MJ in Dubai, it's just not the same as they've been neutralized. It's not a mark against Warner, it's more at your point of calling our attack quality after being pasted for 400 runs in a days cricket.
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I don't think do. Johnson did not have Harris at the other end. And Johnson still averaged 30 or so in the series. I doubt Boult/Southee/bracewell can anywhere close to that. I'll admit it's a flat pitch but Warner's masterclass here is pretty much the only way to convincingly win tests these days. Bat big and bar fast and let scoreboard pressure do the rest.
 
This is TOO easy for Oz.. Looks like they have suppressed every country in terms of road making capacity
 
Flat pitch or not shows what can happen if you put the ball in the right areas for more than 5 minutes a session.
 
You can see there's enough in the pitch if you keep a tight line. The bounce really gets to a batsman's head and the slightest bit of movement will trouble any player.
 
This is what happens in Australia. Get one breakthrough and you'll get wicket in bunches, keep a tight line to the new batsmen and the bounce will do the trick.

It is easier if you're a hit the deck bowler or have extra pace but even trundlers can succeed by keeping a tight line.
 
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7 days in to the series and kiwis are finally playing test cricket which is nice to see.
 
Instead of learning and trying to figure out how to ball on these pitches N'zlander's resorted to whinging and paid the price.
 
Voila, tight lines and another edge. It doesn't matter whether you've batted on these pitches all your life, bounce outside off is very difficult to leave consistently. Eventually, the batsman will stick his bat out.

Add to the armoury an accurate bouncer and yorker and you'll thrive here.
 
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These are the same flat beds that were offered to India as well. Indian bowlers did not get pummeled this badly.

Very disappointed with Kiwi bowlers.
 
Fantastic watching two players - on their home ground against a demoralised opponent with nearly five hundred on the board in the fourth session - do a stellar job of stabilising the innings with resolute defence. Have a go man!
 
Random Aussie said:
Fantastic watching two players - on their home ground against a demoralised opponent with nearly five hundred on the board in the fourth session - do a stellar job of stabilising the innings with resolute defence. Have a go man!
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NZ have bowled well today.
 
I know he has a lot of talent but jeez it can be painful watching mitch marsh start an innings, he just doesn't look a test match batsman yet.
 
Guess that session gives us some hope of forcing something ourselves later on, you can take wickets on this deck if you bowl well and your change bowlers back it up.
 
Mitchh marsh is such a tape ball style Pakistani batsman with his block or smash approach and the technical issues.
 
Where are all the FLAT PITCH accusers today? :))

Finally NZ have figured out what needs to be done instead of just putting the ball at random positions on the pitch and expecting it to do everything.
 
Pantani said:
Where are all the FLAT PITCH accusers today? :))

Finally NZ have figured out what needs to be done instead of just putting the ball at random positions on the pitch and expecting it to do everything.
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Pitch is still good to bat on, we've been better with our lengths while you've been more careless with 400 already on the board.
 
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