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Australia v Pakistan | 2nd Test | Melbourne | Dec 26-30, 2016 | Day 1

MMHS said:
Babar is entering in his danger zone - must go to lunch unbeaten.
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I knew it, almost always he does this. This is the side effect of playing QA trophy, which makes playes mentally weak.
 
Was playing so well. Needed to shoulder arms to that delivery.

Score a ton in 2nd innings now.
 
This is why Azhar is pakistans best batsmen but apparently the least 'talented' of the lot. At the end of the day, time at the crease and runs matter. Pretty 20s and 30s not good enough at this level and that applies to everyone.
 
Pakistans potential troubles start now. The aging middle order comes next
 
Pakprideuk said:
This is why Azhar is pakistans best batsmen but apparently the least 'talented' of the lot. At the end of the day, time at the crease and runs matter. Pretty 20s and 30s not good enough at this level and that applies to everyone.
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but but but but........Akmals are the most talented people on this Planet :facepalm:
 
Hasan123 said:
Thanks for the jinx. Might go post on the Bangladesh vs NZ match thread that Bang are certain to win........
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I didn't jinx, I don't believe in those things - what I do is, I study the game & try find cause & effect, from that I find my conclusion. What I know is that, if you keep playing QA style like the current way, in few years time PAK'll lose 2 wickets in last over of a session. It's a game dominated 80% by mental aspects - it takes only 1 ball to get a batsman out, still players play for 12 hours. If Babar doesn't end up joining a County side next year, he won't average 40 in Test.
 
That was a killer blow that wicket, last ball before lunch.

It was a good ball as hazelwood did go wide of the crease and moved it away off the pitch but it could have been left on length.

Australias session and Pak have to bat well for the next two sessions.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Was playing so well. Needed to shoulder arms to that delivery.

Score a ton in 2nd innings now.
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I don't know why these guys always do this. Azhar did it in Edgbaston and now Babar. These guys need to learn how to close out the session.

60/2 at Lunch on a belter is ok-ish.

Younis-Misbah special needed but Azhar seems most set for a ton inshallah.

Gonna go to sleep now. Hope I wake up to around 250 for 3. That'd be good enough.
 
Pakistan in danger of meandering to a 280 type score. Loose dismissals both of them to be honest. It's not that they were rash shots, just feel that the batsmen were not alert to what was happening
 
thats the problem wit babar ,gets himself in,looks good and then throw it away.it is test cricket he has to learn quickly..
 
Babar is an absolutely brilliant young batsman, he just needs to listen carefully to what Arthur and Rixon can teach him about the mental side of the game.

I'd rather he didn't listen to Younis and Misbah: I don't think they have ever really worked out batting outside Asia.
 
Junaids said:
Babar is an absolutely brilliant young batsman, he just needs to listen carefully to what Arthur and Rixon can teach him about the mental side of the game.

I'd rather he didn't listen to Younis and Misbah: I don't think they have ever really worked out batting outside Asia.
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Where do you even get these stories from ???

:facepalm:
 
Pakistan can't/mustn't give this away. This a flat pitch and they have four bowlers which are already being rotated. Need to be a lot more switched on
 
Strike rotation is important as well.

Need to be more busy in the next session.
 
MMHS said:
I knew it, almost always he does this. This is the side effect of playing QA trophy, which makes playes mentally weak.
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i thought itts only me thinking that mental aspect of the game which is lacking there except in yunus and misbah up to some extent...QEA trophy has zero output regarding that..
 
Hadi Rizvi said:
I don't know why these guys always do this. Azhar did it in Edgbaston and now Babar. These guys need to learn how to close out the session.

60/2 at Lunch on a belter is ok-ish.

Younis-Misbah special needed but Azhar seems most set for a ton inshallah.

Gonna go to sleep now. Hope I wake up to around 250 for 3. That'd be good enough.
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It's an old pakistani thing. Losing wicket at the end of session especially end of day. More than any other test team.


Babar hasn't had a decent shot at Fc cricket where He managed to score 900 plus runs so it's ok if his development occurs on the big stage Test Cricket.


With experience He will InshaAllah get better.
 
Any bets on what we will be getting with younis today? I can't say until I see him bat.
 
MMHS said:
I knew it, almost always he does this. This is the side effect of playing QA trophy, which makes playes mentally weak.
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and i agree any good player for over seas coditions that we have produced had county experience at their early age..our domestic system is rubbish..
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
We'll probably get the usual bhangra for the first 10 mins... I guess !!
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He did not do the Bhangra last time, which is why I was feeling confident last time. He is going to get a real working over from starc right after lunch. Needs to keep his hands low
 
Threw away another needless wicket before lunch. Should have been playing for that by blocking or letting it go. Babar is not brilliant at all, don't see anything worth shouting about him at present. He appears to be another Umar Akmal in the making.
 
PakLFC said:
Threw away another needless wicket before lunch. Should have been playing for that by blocking or letting it go. Babar is not brilliant at all, don't see anything worth shouting about him at present. He appears to be another Umar Akmal in the making.
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No.

Umar Akmal didn't have problems edging to slip.

He couldn't help but slog after 6 quiet balls.

Babar edges to slip way too often for my liking.

But I ve never seen Babar perform frustrated slogs like Akmal did.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
No.

Umar Akmal didn't have problems edging to slip.

He couldn't help but slog after 6 quiet balls.

Babar edges to slip way too often for my liking.

But I ve never seen Babar perform frustrated slogs like Akmal did.
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Only issue that he doesn't leave enough.
 
not sure why theres so much surprise over a guy who cant even average 40 in fc - babar is unproven. a couple of flashy shots and some performances against a weak windies doesnt mean much without consistency which is what a sub40 average tells you. hes performing precisely according to the projection from his stats. he purple patch outperformed against the windies, and now hes reverting to type.

we see it time and time again. the next inevitable procession of events is one or two more failures, then paranoia about being dropped resulting in a fall in strike rate to prioritise longevity over natural game and the failures will then continue because hes forced to change his game. seen it a million times before.

of course the fan boys will still be jumping up and down about his centuries and ignore the mounting failures, as will the selectors.

meanwhile, players averaging in the high 40's and 50's in domestic will quite rightly be wondering what the hell is going on along with fans who dont have a mental age of 5.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
No.

Umar Akmal didn't have problems edging to slip.

He couldn't help but slog after 6 quiet balls.

Babar edges to slip way too often for my liking.

But I ve never seen Babar perform frustrated slogs like Akmal did.
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He is similar to U Akmal in how he often wastes good starts not in short selection.
 
Babar aesthetically the best batsman to watch in Pak but he has a habit of giving away wicket.Hopefully he works on his flaws or the worst could happen....(AKKKKMAALL)
 
godzilla said:
not sure why theres so much surprise over a guy who cant even average 40 in fc - babar is unproven. a couple of flashy shots and some performances against a weak windies doesnt mean much without consistency which is what a sub40 average tells you. hes performing precisely according to the projection from his stats. he purple patch outperformed against the windies, and now hes reverting to type.

we see it time and time again. the next inevitable procession of events is one or two more failures, then paranoia about being dropped resulting in a fall in strike rate to prioritise longevity over natural game and the failures will then continue because hes forced to change his game. seen it a million times before.

of course the fan boys will still be jumping up and down about his centuries and ignore the mounting failures, as will the selectors.

meanwhile, players averaging in the high 40's and 50's in domestic will quite rightly be wondering what the hell is going on along with fans who dont have a mental age of 5.
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Inzimam didn't have much to go by domestics either.

Domestic cricket can be a gauge.

But it doesn't guarantee any sort of success no matter how high or low you are averaging.

Do you know how many batsmen in Australia rank 40 averages in Shield cricket?

Not all of them are good enough to be international cricketers.

Babar might not average much, but he has the basics right.

What else do u expect from a young boy touring Australia for first time??

Hundreds?

He is no Sachin.
 
Pakistan is not in too bad shape. Pitch is an belter and Pakistan just need to play a bit normal game. With older ball now, run should be scored in second session. Ball won't reverse for while as well.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Inzimam didn't have much to go by domestics either.

Domestic cricket can be a gauge.

But it doesn't guarantee any sort of success no matter how high or low you are averaging.

Do you know how many batsmen in Australia rank 40 averages in Shield cricket?

Not all of them are good enough to be international cricketers.

Babar might not average much, but he has the basics right.

What else do u expect from a young boy touring Australia for first time??

Hundreds?

He is no Sachin.
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Negative mind set is the reason of losing that wicked of BABAR. Azhar may be a good batsmen, but his negative approach makes everyone bats like him even if its not in their nature. Pakistan should have been positive on this batting paradise pitch.
 
DRsohail said:
i thought itts only me thinking that mental aspect of the game which is lacking there except in yunus and misbah up to some extent...QEA trophy has zero output regarding that..
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Also, now days matches are played for 250-270 overs, which is even worse than 600 runs innings. Batting is a process oriented, extremely disciplined exercise where you need lots of concentrations to avoid fatal mistake. It's not necessary that you bat against best bowlers always, rather it's about playing your game ruthlessly, which is - don't get out unless it's an unplayable ball & avoid risky shots/times. Batting is process oriented exercise, but lots of batting skills are self learned, which only can be accomplished by batting long, long time in middle, even against substandard bowling.

A classical example is Indian batting resources - hardly any of them played/plays in Counties & in Ranji, most of the teams actually has weaker attack than PAK FC teams. But, FC matches in IND is played for 4/5 days - 400-500 overs matches on beautiful batting wickets where batsmen can play for 10-12 hours, score double/triple hundreds & play every shot on book by MCC manuals. That's the fundamentals that they learn from being in the middle - after that, once they start to travel outside, gradually adjusts their game with different wickets. I can categorically say that Indian batsmen are often the worst tourist for the 1st Test in ENG, AUS, NZ or SAF; but they can adjust their game with time for the proper grooming of batsmen-ship - concentration, technique, temperament, value for own wicket & hunger for long innings.

Even SRL has produced couple of outstanding run machines entirely from their domestic resources & I can categorically tell that, unless YK does this, a Bangladeshi will score 10K Test runs ahead of anyone from Pakistan. PAK cricket flourished in 70s & 80s, not only because of Counties, but most County players actually avoided domestics, which helped them preserve their skills - Imran didn't play a single home FC match after 1980 winter; others may be couple of matches here & there - but current lot is unfortunate not only for lack of proper FC cricket (Counties), but also their natural game is destroyed by the substandard domestic games. One more season, you'll see Saud Shakeel trying to hit across the line with bottom hand, and he'll be sent to bat at 7 as all-rounder.
 
We need to survive this session without losing any wickets. Otherwise we will lose this match, this is not 300 runs pitch.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Inzimam didn't have much to go by domestics either.

Domestic cricket can be a gauge.

But it doesn't guarantee any sort of success no matter how high or low you are averaging.

Do you know how many batsmen in Australia rank 40 averages in Shield cricket?

Not all of them are good enough to be international cricketers.

Babar might not average much, but he has the basics right.

What else do u expect from a young boy touring Australia for first time??

Hundreds?

He is no Sachin.
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correct, averages dont guarantee anything. neither does some subjective look at a couple of shots. im not saying babar cant be good, im saying so far, theres no evidence of it, and these crap performances are absolutely 100% in line with what the stats so far have suggested to expect from him.

quoting inzimam as an exception doesnt mean statistics dont work. they have to work overall by definition. look at all the top test batsmen in the world and their fc stats - they are nearly almost always there or thereabouts, so why would anyone ignore them? they are the very best objective measure we have; although they do not guarantee outcomes, they are the best of several tools for assessment we have.

its no surprise that if you look at the highest fc averages for current pak batsmen, the only two world class bats we have are in the top 4 of that list, the other two having played hardly any international cricket through injury or poor favour.

its no surprise too that all our other bats, the ones that have come and gone too have all performed with similar mediocrity, and lo and behold their fc averages are in the next tier down too in the high 30s to low 40s - azhar, shafiq, shehzad, amin, babar, maqsood, rizwan, sarfraz, amin - the stats would indicate that younis and misbah would be our best and most highly rated bats, and the others would be mediocre and interchangeable.

thats exactly what has transpired.

so yes, stats are not a perfect predictor, but they are the best we have. what do i expect? i expect babar to fail, not because hes a young boy touring for the first time, but because hes not that good. he'll play a couple of good knocks too no doubt, but id be surprised if we get more than a 40 average out of him. thats not an argument to get rid of him, 40 is acceptable, but it does mean that we cant be surprised he keeps getting out in the 20s.
 
godzilla said:
not sure why theres so much surprise over a guy who cant even average 40 in fc - babar is unproven. a couple of flashy shots and some performances against a weak windies doesnt mean much without consistency which is what a sub40 average tells you. hes performing precisely according to the projection from his stats. he purple patch outperformed against the windies, and now hes reverting to type.

we see it time and time again. the next inevitable procession of events is one or two more failures, then paranoia about being dropped resulting in a fall in strike rate to prioritise longevity over natural game and the failures will then continue because hes forced to change his game. seen it a million times before.

of course the fan boys will still be jumping up and down about his centuries and ignore the mounting failures, as will the selectors.

meanwhile, players averaging in the high 40's and 50's in domestic will quite rightly be wondering what the hell is going on along with fans who dont have a mental age of 5.
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Has only played 1 complete season. Lead his team to final and scored his first FC hundred in final which was a 250+ runs innings.

Before that season he never got 3 matches together and was in and out of the team for 3 seasons.
 
At least we don't have Rahat. If the tail does its job we should be able to get to 500 or something.
 
lahoriyah1234 said:
Negative mind set is the reason of losing that wicked of BABAR. Azhar may be a good batsmen, but his negative approach makes everyone bats like him even if its not in their nature. Pakistan should have been positive on this batting paradise pitch.
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which match are you watching? I thought both were playing well and babar got done because he was playing for lunch!! Axhar is doing the right thing and putting a price on his wicket..
 
MMHS said:
I can categorically tell that, unless YK does this, a Bangladeshi will score 10K Test runs ahead of anyone from Pakistan. =
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:)):)):)):)):)) Even if the next Sachin is born in Dhaka it'll take him 25 years to get to 10k. Where are all these test matches going to come from?
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Has only played 1 complete season. Lead his team to final and scored his first FC hundred in final which was a 250+ runs innings.

Before that season he never got 3 matches together and was in and out of the team for 3 seasons.
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exactly my point - he should have been allowed to develop, learn and hone his skills for another season or so rather than doing that in the senior team. in test cricket, you cant have passengers in the top 6 if you want to win.
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
We'll probably get the usual bhangra for the first 10 mins... I guess !!
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He is just too old. He can't get started without being Dancing Younis any more.

This is a pitch he would have scored 200+ on in the old days. But I'm not sure he can any more.
 
31 overs 70 odd runs is decent, but Pakistan needs to start scoring.
 
Big Mac said:
:)):)):)):)):)) Even if the next Sachin is born in Dhaka it'll take him 25 years to get to 10k. Where are all these test matches going to come from?
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It's possible, even at 45 average level. Do your maths, you can find it yourself - 8 Tests for 18 years is around 150 Tests; I take 10% off - it takes about 70 runs/Test to reach 10K. YK is missing a realistic shot at Tendulkar's record, because for various internal issues, he missed at least 20 Tests & in his best 7/8 years, he hardly had any calendar year with 15-16 Tests.

BCB's management is far, far professional than PCB - I do expect Bangladesh to play 7/8 Test every year in next 4/5 years; after that we'll definitely play more Test than PAK - you can mark this post here. Besides, Bangladesh has developed an excellent batting culture - if you look at any young player, you'll see that the fundamental bases are covered - technique, style. If YK doesn't do it, PAK will struggle to find next 8K batsman - not for the quality only, but PAK batsmen hardly develops their game with time - most of them actually fade away in few years time once their game is worked out by professional team (& these players has to go to Basit Ali for batting tips - who once lost middle stick between legs of Warne's last ball of a day). YK is unique, but take any other pick in last 20 years - 4, max 5 years; they become Umar, Shehzad, Taufique, MoHa, Azhar, Asad, Nazir, Faisal Iqbal, Md. Wasim, Fawad .... almost every one started with a bang.
 
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Bloody hell, didn't think that was missing at all.

I'm gonna go grab something to eat, these two better be batting when I come back
 
By any cricket logic, that can't be given out. YK was playing shot - at that angle if it's to hit the stick, it'll strike outside the line or it'll miss leg.

Poor umpiring.
 
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