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Australia vs England | Semi Final 2, World Cup | Edgbaston | 11th Jul, 2019 | Pre Match Discussion

Which side will win the 2nd semi-final of the World Cup between Australia and England?

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Win toss, win match.

Its England game to lose though.
 
1.Aaron Finch
2.David Warner
3.Steve Smith
4.Peter Handscomb
5.Alex Carey (wk)
6.Glenn Maxwell
7.Mitchell Marsh
8.Mitchell Starc
9.Pat Cummins
10.Behrendorf
11.Nathan Lyon
 
England is going to hammer Australia my gut says.

However only Mitchell Starc and David Warner can stop the Poms in this semi-final.
 
Mueez said:
England is going to hammer Australia my gut says.

However only Mitchell Starc and David Warner can stop the Poms in this semi-final.
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They've lost the Warm Up and the Group Match vs Australia.

Can they defeat them in a Knockout?
 
It will be a high scoring game and a close contest,the aussies are a true fighting team and they wont go down without a fight.
 
Chokli said:
1.Aaron Finch
2.David Warner
3.Steve Smith
4.Peter Handscomb
5.Alex Carey (wk)
6.Glenn Maxwell
7.Mitchell Marsh
8.Mitchell Starc
9.Pat Cummins
10.Behrendorf
11.Nathan Lyon
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Mitchell Marsh is not even in the World Cup squad.
 
aloo paratha said:
I'll be backing the Aussies, hate the English whiners. I hope for a rematch final between NZ and Australia.
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I don't mind if England win it.

But I think Australia have the bowling to stop England even if it's a flat track. If a slow track , I expect Smith and Warner to adjust their game to the conditions.
 
Aussies will win. They need to bring in Handscomb Instead of Khawaja and bat Carey at 5.
 
There was an article that showed how English batsmen are susceptible to left arm pacers. Expect Starc and Behrendoff to run through as they did earlier. Also Aussies know how to win these games. There won't be a 59 m boundary anymore as they will play in the center pitch.
 
Hasan123 said:
I don't mind if England win it.

But I think Australia have the bowling to stop England even if it's a flat track. If a slow track , I expect Smith and Warner to adjust their game to the conditions.
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The only reason I would want England to win the cup is just so someone new wins it, tired of the Aussies winning it. But with that logic, I'd rather go with the kiwis because they're a pleasant cricket team unlike England.
 
aloo paratha said:
The only reason I would want England to win the cup is just so someone new wins it, tired of the Aussies winning it. But with that logic, I'd rather go with the kiwis because they're a pleasant cricket team unlike England.
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I don't see NZ middle order lasting against Indian bowling attack. Kane Williamson can't save them everytime.
 
Hasan123 said:
I don't see NZ middle order lasting against Indian bowling attack. Kane Williamson can't save them everytime.
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Neither do I. But I'll still be supporting them. New Zealand are just 1 opening partnership away from posting a good score. Hopefully Guptill can get back in form. Boult and Lockie will be very important bowling wise.
 
For aussies its win the toss ,win the match.
While aussies can chase with few early hits,england would never chase anything.
 
The three lions will roar and the kangaroos will run for their lives.
 
Australia almost won today with 6-7 players having off days/being injured. Imagine what they will do to England if half of them are firing, which they usually do in clutch games.

England have a 20 percent chance if they win the toss and bat first.
 
So many games gone by and Australia still cant get their batting order right.

Finch
Warner
Smith
Khawaja
Carey
Handscomb/ Stioinis (depending on the pitch)
Maxwell
Starc
Cummins
Behrendorff
Lyon

Win the toss, win the match. Simple as that. Otherwise England is going to hammer Australia.
 
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Engs last 2 victory's were handed to them on a plate. The SL game has taken its toll on them, Come Thursday aus are not just going to smash them but smash them with a bonus point (good old tri series days).

They can beg the icc for a road but the pressure they going to be under is immense wouldn’t back them to chase 210
 
DeadlyYorker said:
For aussies its win the toss ,win the match.
While aussies can chase with few early hits,england would never chase anything.
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Aussies can chase on conplete patta pitches like the one vs s.africa where the outfield was fast not in pitches like the England vs india one in Carnegie. Carnegie wickets slow down massively in the second half.
 
England will win this. Clearly a better suited team for Edgbaston, Australia have a bad record at Edgbaston.
 
Aus will win, eng cant handle pressure had this been a bilateral match eng would win but this is world cup and they will bottle it..
 
Many English former cricketers wanted to avoid India in the semis at all cost. Looks like they are happy as Australian batting is very thin. Hope they include Handscomb. He is a solid player, fielder. Better than both Usman and Marsh.
 
Vaughan's reaction after avoiding India in the semis lol . Even Ian Smith was disappointed that they were not facing Australia. According to him, "We know the Australian side. We know what we are getting with Australia". This is what subcontinent sides bring. SENA teams don't know about subcontinent sides much despite playing against them a lot.

https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/1147575134351515648
 
This has been englands world cup to lose I dont see them losing against Australia.
This world cup had England Vs India final written on it and its happening.
England are winning this trophy because its their home its their 1st proper chance to win it with a formidable team.

Whatever games they had to lose they did and they overcame it.
This is now the semi's, its serious business and no team will be push overs but England are winning this hands down whether they bat first or whether they chase, they will never get a better chance to lift that tropphy than they have now.

In saying that, Australia are a quality team and in every major tournament they have this never die down never give up and fight till the last ball or the last batsman, this time they have looked out of sorts somewhat and they have a weak spot, something Australia have never had before.
England can take advantage of that.

But come what may I have had England beating India in the final since the very beginning, they can't lost it now not coming so close to it.
 
Before CWC, World ranking 1)Eng 2) India 3)Aus 4) NZ

CWC Ranking till date 1) India 2) Aus 3) Eng 4) NZ

India and Aus are performing better than expected, while Eng is underperforming

I expect India vs Aus finals, unless some individual fireworks overpowers the favourites as in CT17.
 
ManFan said:
Only if they bat first...

Win the Toss, Win the Cup.
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I think toss won't have that big an effect because of weather. Rain predicted in both the semis, overcast conditions, strong breeze throughout. With the possibility of DL and new flat pitch (unused), batting first won't necessarily have the same edge. Moreover teams like England and Australia don't suffer from mental block while chasing.
 
Babbar said:
Before CWC, World ranking 1)Eng 2) India 3)Aus 4) NZ

CWC Ranking till date 1) India 2) Aus 3) Eng 4) NZ

India and Aus are performing better than expected, while Eng is underperforming

I expect India vs Aus finals, unless some individual fireworks overpowers the favourites as in CT17.
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Still people don't realize what an one-dimensional unit England is. They suffered a massive defeat in Windies. ANd also only drew the series in windies. Failed to chase on each occasion. Couldn't chase even a small total on a tricky pitch. Lost to Australia both in warm ups and real game. Consistently conceded 300 plus to Pakistan.Few times 340 plus. This is even after adding Archer to the side. With all the help like adding foreign players to the team, designing boundaries, pitch to their liking India came very close until Dhoni decided to shut the chase down.
 
Aus and India are almost unbeatable in knockouts even when they have wacky playing XIs.

England are not a ruthless side. They will crumble under pressure.

Aus has it even tho on paper England look stronger.
 
Its the best chance for England to win the WC and its their’s to loose.
 
Suleiman said:
Aus and India are almost unbeatable in knockouts even when they have wacky playing XIs.

England are not a ruthless side. They will crumble under pressure.

Aus has it even tho on paper England look stronger.
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Spot on. England cannot match Australia's never say die attitude. They throw heroes out of nowhere. So far Cummins is under the radar. Tomorrow he might show up. You never know what you will get with Aussies (in a good way). Mostly you will get something good. Just that you won't know who the hero will be.
 
I dont know why Eng would be happy dodging India when the other team is Australia. India, for the last four years consistently get choked in KOs. I mean anybody can get beaten but they get obliterated be it 2015 WC, 2016 T20, 2017 CT etc.
 
WengerOut said:
I dont know why Eng would be happy dodging India when the other team is Australia. India, for the last four years consistently get choked in KOs. I mean anybody can get beaten but they get obliterated be it 2015 WC, 2016 T20, 2017 CT etc.
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2015 ego vs mj, 2017 ego vs Kumble. Now that both of them not there, kohli may think clearly.
 
WengerOut said:
I dont know why Eng would be happy dodging India when the other team is Australia. India, for the last four years consistently get choked in KOs. I mean anybody can get beaten but they get obliterated be it 2015 WC, 2016 T20, 2017 CT etc.
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2015 WC. See the match threads. Right after the toss almost Indian fans gave up they would lose. If anything India was an outsider. Those days Australia was considered to be a mother of all FTBs. Our only chance was to bat first which didn't happen. 2017 CT choked at the toss itself. 2016 T20 old useless players played dreadful cricket. That's it. Nothing much to choke.
 
Mouth watering contest!


Will be following this as much or probably more than India vs NZ

Good luck [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION] [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION]
 
jnaveen1980 said:
2015 WC. See the match threads. Right after the toss almost Indian fans gave up they would lose. If anything India was an outsider. Those days Australia was considered to be a mother of all FTBs. Our only chance was to bat first which didn't happen. 2017 CT choked at the toss itself. 2016 T20 old useless players played dreadful cricket. That's it. Nothing much to choke.
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2015, India was the only unbeaten, clinical team in the SF. Plus, they were the defending champions with Rohit, Kohli, Dhawan and Dhoni at their peak. Bowling wise, they had got 10 wickets in all their matches until SF. Come SF, they massively choked. Even while chasing, although it was unlikely, they surrendered meekly.

CT17, mother of all chokes. A no ball shouldn't derail a team. That too against a team they demolished at the group stage. Again during chase, they were like sitting ducks.

T20 2016 - Had got a very good score in a SF at the home ground. Choked against a nobody like Lendl Simmons.

You can deviate the logic to make it seem like the world conspired against Ind. But then you will not be different from a lot of Pak fans. If it was SA, there will be people queuing up with the C tag.

PS: I will be very happy if team India somehow proves me wrong this time. But until then they are softies.
 
Eng have a better team than all of SF heck Eng are the only side cpable of chasing 320 Aus the underdogs for the first time
 
WengerOut said:
2015, India was the only unbeaten, clinical team in the SF. Plus, they were the defending champions with Rohit, Kohli, Dhawan and Dhoni at their peak. Bowling wise, they had got 10 wickets in all their matches until SF. Come SF, they massively choked. Even while chasing, although it was unlikely, they surrendered meekly.

CT17, mother of all chokes. A no ball shouldn't derail a team. That too against a team they demolished at the group stage. Again during chase, they were like sitting ducks.

T20 2016 - Had got a very good score in a SF at the home ground. Choked against a nobody like Lendl Simmons.

You can deviate the logic to make it seem like the world conspired against Ind. But then you will not be different from a lot of Pak fans. If it was SA, there will be people queuing up with the C tag.

PS: I will be very happy if team India somehow proves me wrong this time. But until then they are softies.
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2016 t20 was affected by dew, if inability to bowl in heavy dew is now considered choking sure we choked. Go take your agenda somewhere else.
 
jagatk said:
2016 t20 was affected by dew, if inability to bowl in heavy dew is now considered choking sure we choked. Go take your agenda somewhere else.
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Yes we choked. End of it. If you don't like my "agenda", please don't take the pain to quote it. You are free to ignore.
 
Australia vs England:-

<B>Australia 472/1(50)</B>
Warner 243*(152)
Maxwell 102*(47)

Rashid 1-106(10)

<B>England 81- all-out (19.4)</B>
Root 32(44)

Starc 8-17(6)
 
ODI version of the Ashes!

Whenever there’s an India Pakistan match, these Englishmen and Australians sit down enjoy and post stupid stuff on the internet while we Indians and Pakistanis spend every second in anxiety thinking about the various permutations and combinations. Finally, a chance for us to enjoy.
 
England have proved people wrong already, and now the narrative has changed from “they are chokers who can’t handle pressure” to “they can only win when they win the toss on flat wickets”.

Chokers cannot produce two thumping wins in must-win matches under pressure, especially against a team like India.

The way they took on the best bowling attack in the tournament showed their confidence and that they are up for a fight.

People who think Australia fight till the last ball are ignoring the fact that England will do so as well. It is their golden chance of winning the World Cup and it cannot get better than defeating arch-rivals Australia in the semi-final.

If Australia play better and win, so be it. However, it has nothing to do with the England being chokers and all that crap. They have dispelled that myth already.
 
UP said:
Win toss, win match.

Its England game to lose though.
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Given the nature of the pitches in the second half of the tournament, I´m also firmly of the opinion that the team batting first is almost certain to run away with the match.

However, this doesn´t make England the favourites - unless of course they bat first. It´ll be the reverse if Australia bat first. Also, Australia know how to win big matches, whereas it is totally the opposite given England´s Limited-Overs cricket history on the other hand.

It´ll be a good match, especially if the team bowling first is able to restrict the opposition for under 280.
 
DHONI183 said:
Given the nature of the pitches in the second half of the tournament, I´m also firmly of the opinion that the team batting first is almost certain to run away with the match.

However, this doesn´t make England the favourites - unless of course they bat first. It´ll be the reverse if Australia bat first. Also, Australia know how to win big matches, whereas it is totally the opposite given England´s Limited-Overs cricket history on the other hand.

It´ll be a good match, especially if the team bowling first is able to restrict the opposition for under 280.
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Aren't the pitches going to be brand new for semis?
 
Officials appointed for ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup semi-finals

Australia’s game against England will be officiated by Kumar Dharmasena and Marais Erasmus
The umpires and officials for the two ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup 2019 semi-finals have been appointed following the conclusion of the group stage.

Taking charge of the India versus New Zealand match on Tuesday, 9 July at Old Trafford will be English umpires Richard Illingworth and Richard Kettleborough, while Australian Rod Tucker will be in the third umpire’s chair and Englishman Nigel Llong will be the fourth official. Former Australia international David Boon will be the match referee.

For the second semi-final between Australia and England at Edgbaston on Thursday, 11 July, the on-field umpires will be Sri Lankan Kumar Dharmasena and South African Marais Erasmus. The third umpire will be New Zealander Chris Gaffaney while Pakistan’s Aleem Dar will be the fourth official. Ranjan Madugalla of Sri Lanka will be the match referee.
 
Ahead of their ICC Men's Cricket World Cup 2019 semi-final fixture against England, Australia’s Usman Khawaja and Marcus Stoinis are facing fitness doubts.

Top-order batsman Khawaja, and all-rounder Stoinis, suffered injuries in Australia’s 10-run loss to South Africa, their final league game, in Manchester. The injury concerns come less than a week before the Aaron Finch-led side takes on England, in their semi-final fixture on 11 July. Wicket-keeper batsman Matthew Wade and all-rounder Mitchell Marsh have been called up as cover for the two injured players.

Khawaja’s services at No.3 were required as early as the third over in Australia’s chase of 326. However, five balls into his innings, a troublesome hamstring issue forced Khawaja to leave the field retired hurt, with the score reading 20-1.

“Usman's not looking great, in all honesty,” Australia captain Aaron Finch later told reporters. “He's done a couple of hammies before and he said it feels similar to that. So, in terms of replacements, we haven't had time to sit down and talk about that yet.”

With 51 needed in less than five overs, and with seven wickets down, a hobbling Khawaja braved the injury to re-enter the field, and continue his innings. He added 12 more runs to his initial score of six, before directing an intended ramp stroke onto his own stumps.

“He did not aggravate it anymore when he got back out there,” Finch continued. “He wanted to go out. Once we got as close as we did, having a batter was crucial. It did not work, but he has put the team first, which is a brilliant quality to have.”

Earlier, Marcus Stoinis appeared in discomfort while fielding, as well as batting, requiring treatment during his 34-ball 22.

“Marcus is a bit sore in his side. We'll have to wait for scans tomorrow to know the finer details of it. Obviously, it is tough to talk about replacements when you haven't got the full story and the full scan, so we'll get that tomorrow,” Finch added.

Stoinis had earlier sustained a side strain during their clash against India, on 9 June, and subsequently missed two of Australia's league games. Mitchell Marsh was flown in as cover, before Stoinis recovered to rejoin Australia’s XI.

Incidentally, Peter Handscomb was recently added to the squad, as a replacement for Shaun Marsh, who was ruled out of the World Cup with a fractured arm.

https://www.cricketworldcup.com/news/en/1266875
 
Australia may have finished above England in the table and already beaten them at this World Cup but Nathan Lyon is adamant his team will be underdogs when the sides clash in a blockbuster semi-final.

Australia suffered a 10-run defeat to South Africa at Old Trafford in their final group game, allowing India to leapfrog them at the summit – setting up a last-four clash against England at Edgbaston, rather than New Zealand in Manchester.

Justin Langer’s men have already downed the hosts once at the ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup 2019, when they completed a dominant 64-run win at Lord’s last week.

And Lyon is relishing the rematch in Birmingham on Thursday, when a place in the final will be on the line – choosing to start the mind games early.

“We're playing against the number one team, and they're favourites to win the World Cup,” said the Australian off-spinner.

“It's going to be a massive challenge. We're playing against England, in England, in a semi-final: it doesn't get much better.

“Every time you play against England you want to compete hard against them and try to come out on top. Their side is full of absolute superstars and we're definitely going in as underdogs.

“They've been the number one team for a couple of years now. It’s all on them – it's their World Cup to lose. We've got nothing to lose – we've only got stuff to gain, and that's the exciting thing about it.

“We're going to go out there, compete, have fun and do it with a smile on our face. I feel like there's a very special thing just around the corner for Australian cricket and the whole Australian public.

“Our momentum got halted a little bit here but we’ll train our backsides off, prepare well, have elite professionalism and make sure come Thursday that we’re firing.”

Australia’s preparation for that game wasn’t ideal, as they suffered defeat to a Proteas side that made 325/6 batting first and then just about held off a chase spearheaded by David Warner and Alex Carey.

Normally a man to tie up an end during the middle of the innings, Lyon was brought on as a first-change bowler after just six overs and enjoyed the novel experience as he eventually dismissed both of South Africa’s openers.

“It was exciting,” he added. “I want to challenge myself against the best players and obviously Aiden Markram and Quinton de Kock are world-class players.

“To get that opportunity was a great challenge. I was mostly trying to attack Quinton and defend against Aiden but it was a pretty good wicket, so it didn’t offer me too much.

“I was pleased with how I kept going to get those wickets though.”
 
castortroy said:
Aren't the pitches going to be brand new for semis?
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I´m not aware of that, brother. Even if they´re going to be brand new, let´s see how much different they´ll be in nature to the ones provided so far.
 
In a big blow to Australia’s chances in the World Cup, batsman Usman Khawaja has been ruled out of remainder of the tournament due to a hamstring injury he suffered in the clash against South Africa. The incident occurred during Australia’s batting against the Proteas, requiring the batsman to retire hurt.

Coach Justin Langer confirmed the same and said that Khawaja will be out of action for close to three weeks, which leaves a doubt on his participation in the upcoming Ashes starting August 1, according to news.com.au.

"Uzzy (Usman) has got a hamstring strain, so he will be out for three-four weeks which is a real shame. We will have to work hard on getting him up for the Ashes now,” Langer said.


Left-arm wicket-keeper batsman Matthew Wade will replace Khawaja in the squad.

Wade, who is currently in the UK with the Australia A team, has been in sensational form having scored 355 runs in four one-day matches on the tour.

The injury woes don't end there for the Aussies as there are concerns over Marcus Stoinis' fitness too. The all-rounder suffered a side strain in the match versus South Africa.

This is the second time in the tournament that he has suffered a niggle. He suffered a side strain in Australia’s loss to India, but was cleared to play the match eventually.

Australia previously had called Peter Handscomb as a cover for Shaun Marsh, who was injured while facing Pat Cummins in the nets.

Australia's squad: Aaron Finch (c), Jason Behrendorff, Alex Carey (wk), Nathan Coulter-Nile, Pat Cummins, Peter Handscomb, Matthew Wade, Nathan Lyon, Glenn Maxwell, Kane Richardson, Steve Smith, Mitchell Starc, Marcus Stoinis, David Warner, Adam Zampa

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...-in-as-cover-for-khawaja-stoinis-2221019.html
 
Ab Fan said:
Australia vs England:-

<B>Australia 472/1(50)</B>
Warner 243*(152)
Maxwell 102*(47)

Rashid 1-106(10)

<B>England 81- all-out (19.4)</B>
Root 32(44)

Starc 8-17(6)
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LOL.

Don't think it will be one-sided.
 
AdamM97 said:
England will win this. Clearly a better suited team for Edgbaston, Australia have a bad record at Edgbaston.
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England rarely lose in Bham so for this reason alone I agree they are favs.

Should of been the final, the two best teams imo.
 
Mamoon said:
England have proved people wrong already, and now the narrative has changed from “they are chokers who can’t handle pressure” to “they can only win when they win the toss on flat wickets”.

Chokers cannot produce two thumping wins in must-win matches under pressure, especially against a team like India.

The way they took on the best bowling attack in the tournament showed their confidence and that they are up for a fight.

People who think Australia fight till the last ball are ignoring the fact that England will do so as well. It is their golden chance of winning the World Cup and it cannot get better than defeating arch-rivals Australia in the semi-final.

If Australia play better and win, so be it. However, it has nothing to do with the England being chokers and all that crap. They have dispelled that myth already.
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Mate, what are you on about?

They haven’t been under pressure once in tournament and come out on top.

The games they had to chase on a tricky pitch (SL) or against a decent attack (PAK), they lost by close margins.
 
ManFan said:
Mate, what are you on about?

They haven’t been under pressure once in tournament and come out on top.

The games they had to chase on a tricky pitch (SL) or against a decent attack (PAK), they lost by close margins.
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Are you serious? They had a must win match against India of all teams. Pressure isn’t just about chasing.

Any team that faces India is under pressure, let alone in a must win match. Had they lost that match, the same people who now think it wasn’t a must win match would have called them bottlers.

Anyway, it appears that some people will never give England credit. Even if they beat Australia in the semi-final, it will be because the pitch was flat.
 
Mamoon said:
Are you serious? They had a must win match against India of all teams. Pressure isn’t just about chasing.

Any team that faces India is under pressure, let alone in a must win match. Had they lost that match, the same people who now think it wasn’t a must win match would have called them bottlers.

Anyway, it appears that some people will never give England credit. Even if they beat Australia in the semi-final, it will be because the pitch was flat.
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They’ll deserve credit only if they come out on top.

They have no excuses for not winning this Cup.

And there was no pressure on ENG because India had already qualified and was protecting their NRR in the process, and not trying to win. That’s evident by their intent in the last 10 overs when they only needed about 110 odd runs to win and chose not lose wickets instead.

Your team lost to “minnows” like SL and PAK; they have lost every match batting second except chasing 212 against WI in this tournament.

If AUS win the toss and elect to bat, it doesn’t matter if the pitch is flat, green, or pink, England will choke in due time.

If they win and go on to win the Final, they will abolish the so far proven “myth” that they can’t chase.
 
ManFan said:
They’ll deserve credit only if they come out on top.

They have no excuses for not winning this Cup.

And there was no pressure on ENG because India had already qualified and was protecting their NRR in the process, and not trying to win. That’s evident by their intent in the last 10 overs when they only needed about 110 odd runs to win and chose not lose wickets instead.

Your team lost to “minnows” like SL and PAK; they have lost every match batting second except chasing 212 against WI in this tournament.

If AUS win the toss and elect to bat, it doesn’t matter if the pitch is flat, green, or pink, England will choke in due time.

If they win and go on to win the Final, they will abolish the so far proven “myth” that they can’t chase.
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India’s intent in the last 4-5 overs is irrelevant. England didn’t know what their intent was going to be - they took on the best bowling attack in the tournament from ball one and set the tone for the match.

A less gutsy team would have been cautious against the Indian bowling and wouldn’t have backed themselves to tear them apart, but England did that.

Quite a lot of people who are dismissing their massive wins over India and New Zealand under pressure (because of flat pitches and batting first) were adamant that they would slip up in at least one of the games.

All this moaning and sour grapes over the NRR gathered steam once England proved them wrong and won two successive matches under proper pressure, since most people on this forum - and perhaps the Pakistan team itself - were quite hopeful that they would get into the semi-final at England’s expense.

They have proved their ability to win under pressure by producing back to the wall performances in must win situations. There was no room for error and they held their nerve.
 
England won 2 actual pressure matches is biggest bull crap I ever read, because had it been must wins for India and NZ then we could have believed it, both those teams were already through in practical terms so didn't bring full intensity and A game, Even in the semis England seems to be lucky that many Oz players are injury doubt, if Australia put their best team and England still win then I will be the 1st one to congratulate them until then they are just good team who crack under slightest pressure, [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] can whine all he want. If it was a must win game for India England wouldn't have come close of winning it. Cheers
 
Mamoon said:
India’s intent in the last 4-5 overs is irrelevant. England didn’t know what their intent was going to be - they took on the best bowling attack in the tournament from ball one and set the tone for the match.

A less gutsy team would have been cautious against the Indian bowling and wouldn’t have backed themselves to tear them apart, but England did that.

Quite a lot of people who are dismissing their massive wins over India and New Zealand under pressure (because of flat pitches and batting first) were adamant that they would slip up in at least one of the games.

All this moaning and sour grapes over the NRR gathered steam once England proved them wrong and won two successive matches under proper pressure, since most people on this forum - and perhaps the Pakistan team itself - were quite hopeful that they would get into the semi-final at England’s expense.

They have proved their ability to win under pressure by producing back to the wall performances in must win situations. There was no room for error and they held their nerve.
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In their match against teh Indians, England also shortened the boundary bringing it to the ICC manadated minimum. Given, it was the same for both sides but in doing this, England reduced the effectiveness of the Indian spinners. 9 out of the 13 6's in the ENgland innings came of the spinners.
 
If England can beat Australia in this semifinals I will accept that England have moved ahead in their ODI game (there is no point in thumping teams on flat pitches, bilaterals, you got to win the games that matter!) Skill-wise England and India are ahead of Australia, but Australia still have that X-factor and killer-instinct in big games! So both these teams should play their best game to beat Australia (England in SF, India if meets them in Finals!) Man to man Skill-wise England are ahead of even India... But India has better variety (in spite of some loopholes) and they lie in between England & Australia in handling crunch games! So it is very interesting to see how these three teams play! The fourth team - If somehow NZ fluke their way into finals they will again be easy prey in the finals to any team! If NZ again fluke in Finals then that is going to be the BIGGEST FLUKE in the history of cricket surpassing the other supposed flukes :))
 
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Reading reports that both the actual date of the match and the reserve day could both be ruined by rain.

If that's the case Aussies will go through because of the rules of being above England in the final group stage table.
 
Root: England have a very positive record against Australia in the last four years

Australia downed England in the group stages of this World Cup, but Joe Root is confident that both recent and distant history have the tournament hosts ready for revenge in the rematch.

England were downed in convincing fashion by their fiercest rivals at Lord’s last month and looked in serious danger of missing out on the semi-finals at their home tournament.

But back-to-back wins over India and New Zealand turned the tables and have put the No.1 ODI side in world on a collision course with Australia at Edgbaston in the second semi-final on Thursday.

England have lost their last two clashes with Australia including a warm-up game before the ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup began, but before that Root and co had the edge with a series win Down Under and a 5-0 whitewash on home soil.

“If you look at the past 11 games against them we have won nine,” he said.

“These guys and this group over the last four years, their experience against Australia have been very positive and they have got a lot of success in the bank.

“I don’t see that as a big worry for this group, we will be drawing on that confidence that over a long period of time now we have been successful against Australia and we should take that into Thursday.”

Add to that the fact that England have found their best form – with Jason Roy back firing fit at the top of the order – and the mood is clearly buoyant.

Root added: “I feel we are in a good place coming into it, I feel like the last two days have almost been like knockout cricket for us.

“We have been playing in a high-pressure environment for a while now and hopefully that will hold us in good stead going into this game.

“It doesn’t matter (who are the favourites). It comes down to who plays their best cricket on the day. If we play in the manner we have the last two games, we will be a very difficult side to play against.

“You can look at form, statistically who is stronger, but it all comes down to who handles the day better, who plays the stronger cricket for the longest period and who will stand up and be victorious at the end of it.”

The left-arm attack of Mitchell Starc and Jason Behrendorff, who took a five-for at Lord’s, have proved England’s undoing in the last two encounters.

But Root is confident lessons have been learned ahead of that encounter.

“They bowled extremely well with the new ball, and those early wickets basically dictated the way the game went,” he added.

“It is about understanding that will be the main threat early on, that ball swinging and if we can combat that and make a good start then we give ourselves a better chance.

“It is something that seems to have been very effective throughout the tournament, that left-arm angle and throughout one day cricket for a while now and they have exploited that nicely.

But we have also seen that we can score quite nicely if they don’t get it right. Trying to be very objective about it, and clear on how you approach it will be very important.

“The guys have faced a lot of left arm stuff over their careers and in build up to last game. There will be a lot talked about it and with that comes pressure for them as well to deliver. It works both ways.”
 
Sherlock said:
Reading reports that both the actual date of the match and the reserve day could both be ruined by rain.

If that's the case Aussies will go through because of the rules of being above England in the final group stage table.
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I believe Ian Botham will run out of things to say if that happens!
 
Weather looks good for the reserve day according to weather websites.

England beat two quality sides under pressure. Both teams will be confident.

This should be a mouth watering contest and the theme of the tourny is bat first, score runs and put the opposition under pressure.
 
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