Australia vs India | 2nd Test | Sydney | 02/01/08

[MarathaPride]

apart from India deserve symonds wicket, i felt that you guys over reacted

thats it if you hear the commentry on sky sports Mr Ashish the cricket journalist said like he sense they felt hard done and did not move on

but some of my post are of high quality, therefore some poster will find it hard to understand

but no offence at The end of the day i hope Indian should Enjoy thier cricket
and should not think about Draw right now

Sorry for being rude...I was generally pissed at both our ridiculous performance and the stupid Bucknor's umpiring

 

[purplehaze]

Well played Oz, and hard luck India! Let's hope we will fight it out tomorrow and make a good game out of this...

 

[MarathaPride]

AND yeah i have sympathy for some of Indian posters

as i myself have gone through this situation

it was against England when we last toured them it was TEST match 3 and Hair was umpiring and i remember Hair not giving 4 caught behind in one session

so my sympathies are with you guys but because its India i have to support aussie

Why, do you dislike us??

 

[xtwo]

cry babies


i am sure Indian will to get some of those while they bat after 400+

lets see whose the boss

Yaar sohaib...take it easy yaar...would you really be saying all that had it been Pakistan instead of India today?? That was one of the worst umpiring you'll ever see..simply not good enough for international level.

 

[PlanetPakistan]

Interesting thing to note was that the umps missed almost all the edges
1- Ponting edged it to Dhoni- missed by the ump
2- Ponting edged it on his pads- Given LBW
3- Symo edged it to Dhoni- missed by the ump

 

[sohaib17]

Why, do you dislike us??

frankly speaking i just want to bring my agony out of Pakistan losing both series against India

and also becuz India did not gave me chance to rub salt in their wounds during PAK INDO series



apart from that i am a very humble person and as i live in CANADA where there are Indians and PAKis all around and live like brother

my girlfriend is an Indian so i don't have anything against Indians

 

[Lightning]

apart from India deserve symonds wicket, i felt that you guys over reacted

thats it if you hear the commentry on sky sports Mr Ashish the cricket journalist said like he sense they felt hard done and did not move on

but some of my post are of high quality, therefore some poster will find it hard to understand

but no offence at The end of the day i hope Indian should Enjoy thier cricket
and should not think about Draw right now

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[siddharth]

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[MarathaPride]

frankly speaking i just want to bring my agony out of Pakistan losing both series against India

and also becuz India did not gave me chance to rub salt in their wounds during PAK INDO series



apart from that i am a very humble person and as i live in CANADA where there are Indians and PAKis all around and live like brother

my girlfriend is an Indian so i don't have anything against Indians

Hmm ok.

 

[OZGOD]

the umpiring has been down right awful.

Ponting was given out when he was not out, but then earlier was clearly out and did not walk

and oh Symonda have some shame, he knew that it was out

Ponting and Symonds have already said that they do not walk.

Sure, Ponting got juked when he was given LBW off a nick. In any case, I don't whinge about umpiring, because it's something outside your control. You win some, you lose some. I find it ironic that people always remember bad decisions that go against their side, but that decisions that go in favour of their side are rationalised as either a ) "we had so much bad decisions against us we deserve one our way" or b ) "what bad decision? that wasn't a bad decision".

Sure, the standard of umpiring needs to improve. But has anyone here whinging about umpiring as it they are biased and favour one side over another actually ever umpired a game and stood out there in the middle looking at the same thing (the ball being delivered) over and over again for hours on end without benefit of slow motion replays, snicko, hawkeye and all the other crap that we enjoy in the comfort of our lounge rooms?

Rather than whinging about umpiring so that there's a ready-made excuse in the event of defeat, back your team to overcome all external obstacle. Umpires make mistakes - in fact they usually make less mistakes than players, given how many decisions they have to get right without the benefit of camera angles, replays and whatnot.

Match is still on a knife-edge though. If Symmo can stick around and help us to 400+ then that's a decent enough target for the bowlers to bowl at.

 

[OZGOD]

why does it become so difficult to even accept that India is the wronged party and Aussies have the advantage of the umpires largesse?

Maybe it's because when India is in a bad position Indian supporters in general (not all, just in general - Crying Out Loud and Nikred never whinge about umpiring, and if they do they don't dwell on it as the cause of defeat but move on) always seem to be the wronged party and Australia always seems to have the advantage of the umpires' largesse (to put it in your words). Something about the boy who cried wolf too many times - when the wolf finally arrived nobody believed him.

 

[david_becks]

Maybe it's because when India is in a bad position Indian supporters in general (not all, just in general - Crying Out Loud and Nikred never whinge about umpiring, and if they do they don't dwell on it as the cause of defeat but move on) always seem to be the wronged party and Australia always seems to have the advantage of the umpires' largesse (to put it in your words). Something about the boy who cried wolf too many times - when the wolf finally arrived nobody believed him.

Believe it or not bad umpiring decisions against the asian countries is not a new thing.You will always get those advantages.And whenever something goes against your team you just have to read the next days newspaper. ) ) But time will change. Wait for Mr. Sharad Pawar to take over as icc president in 2010.

 

[Rickz]

Well played Australia, after being down on the ropes at 134-6, to get to 376 is a good effort. I'v been hearing that India had a few decision's go against them? anyway, it's time to move on, let's hope for a better day tommorow. India is not out of this match or series yet.

 

[OZGOD]

Believe it or not bad umpiring decisions against the asian countries is not a new thing.You will always get those advantages.And whenever something goes against your team you just have to read the next days newspaper. ) ) But time will change. Wait for Mr. Sharad Pawar to take over as icc president in 2010.

Yeah, whatever. Keep feeling sorry for yourself mate.

 

[david_becks]

Yeah, whatever. Keep feeling sorry for yourself mate.

naah i am not feeling sorry for myself here.As i have said its time for BCCI and asian countries to show their power.ICC(Aus and eng) are not running cricket.They are strict against asian countries.
Your mr ponting before the ashes said that we dont want asian or west indian umpires before this high voltage series.Why?

 

[Megadeth]

137/6 to 376 ???...*** man..why bother playing against this side...

 

[flawed_genius]

On ya Hoggy. You little ripper!

 

[Daoud]

Should be at the game tomorrow. My uncle has a spare ticket so will take advantage of that. Will report back on that when I can..

Was a fantastic comeback by the Aussies. They had their share of luck but doesnt take away from how well they played

 

[Rajan]

Should be at the game tomorrow. My uncle has a spare ticket so will take advantage of that. Will report back on that when I can..

Was a fantastic comeback by the Aussies. They had their share of luck but doesnt take away from how well they played[/QUOTE]


Very True.
This is the stuff champion teams are made of.
India would have been all out by 220 had they been 134-6, even if they had a couple of lucky decisions.

 

[nikred]

Maybe it's because when India is in a bad position Indian supporters in general (not all, just in general - Crying Out Loud and Nikred never whinge about umpiring, and if they do they don't dwell on it as the cause of defeat but move on) always seem to be the wronged party and Australia always seems to have the advantage of the umpires' largesse (to put it in your words). Something about the boy who cried wolf too many times - when the wolf finally arrived nobody believed him.

Defeat?? what defeat??

I was frustrated because the guy who should have been at the pavilion twice was continuing to clobber the Indians. Dont worry if Indians lose i wont come back and blame the umpiring but what frustrates me is that such decisions turn the match upside down.

Its not everyday you get a chance to bowl out aussies around 200.

 

[siddharth]

Defeat?? what defeat??

I was frustrated because the guy who should have been at the pavilion twice was continuing to clobber the Indians. Dont worry if Indians lose i wont come back and blame the umpiring but what frustrates me is that such decisions turn the match upside down.

Its not everyday you get a chance to bowl out aussies around 200.

True .They are the best in the world .Indians are not in that league .But when some one comes close to a fight , they will get screwed up makes things even more difficult .I can under stand for the ground umpires ,even the 3rd umpire ?.

 

[nikred]

Very True.
This is the stuff champion teams are made of.
India would have been all out by 220 had they been 134-6, even if they had a couple of lucky decisions.

Thats exactly what i was thinking. Thats why its so difficult to beat them in a test match, but they can be beaten in T20, they can bounce back even if they have a horrible session. Mantra for their success- aggressive cricket.

Indians have a long way to go, even against a struggling pak team they were looking scratchy.

 

[Rickz]

Symonds should have gone the first time, if not, then the second time, these are basic mistakes, a clear edge and daylight between foot and ground. It has cost India over 100 runs.

 

[W63L35]

Here is a list of the highest partnerships (complete or incomplete)
for each wicket achieved on the first day of a Test match.

 Wkt  Runs
 1st  368  GC Smith/HH Gibbs        SAf v Pak  Cape Town  2002-03
 2nd  451  WH Ponsford/DG Bradman   Aus v Eng  The Oval   1934
 3rd  319  A Melville/AD Nourse     SAf v Eng  Nottingham 1947
 4th  267* CL Walcott/GE Gomez      WI  v Ind  Delhi      1948-49
 5th  281  Javed Miandad/Asif Iqbal Pak v NZ   Lahore     1976-77
 6th  189  DCS Compton/TE Bailey    Eng v NZ   Lord's     1949
 7th  173  A Symonds/GB Hogg        Aus v Ind  Sydney     2007-08
 8th  150  ND McKenzie/SM Pollock   SAf v SL   Pretoria   2000-01
 9th  136  IDS Smith/MC Snedden     NZ  v Ind  Auckland   1989-90
10th  103  AJ Stewart/AR Caddick    Eng v Aus  Birmingham 2001

Note: All partnerships were completed on the first day except for the
fourth wicket, however, Walcott was out the next day without any
addition to the total.

 

[Indiafan]

Yeah, whatever. Keep feeling sorry for yourself mate.

You know your comments would really be valued if you HAD been in such situations before and taken it all in your stride. Its very easy for a team which is not on the recieving end of such desisions to make comments like " Its all a part of the game". When was the last time Aus was ion the recieving end of potentialy match-turning descisions? If you do recieve such descisons and then talk the same way I will agree to your point. Kinda like Ponting advocating walking for batsmen. We all saw what happens when its his turn to

Surely, it cant be a co-incidence that all teams touring Aus, (lately SL, WI and now Ind) complain about the standards of umpiring with only the visiting teams feeling cheated? You can talk about us whinging but i feel if we had made enough noise last time maybe this time it would have been different?

 

[OZGOD]

You know your comments would really be valued if you HAD been in such situations before and taken it all in your stride. Its very easy for a team which is not on the recieving end of such desisions to make comments like " Its all a part of the game". When was the last time Aus was ion the recieving end of potentialy match-turning descisions? If you do recieve such descisons and then talk the same way I will agree to your point. Kinda like Ponting advocating walking for batsmen. We all saw what happens when its his turn to

Whenever did Ponting advocate walking for batsmen? I think you've got your wires crossed there, mate. Ponting has never advocated walking for batsmen - in fact he disapproved of Gilly's walking, because of the "it all evens out" principle. In this he's no different to 95% of today's batsmen who do not walk either.

As for "being in such situations before" - we have. England 2005. Martyn got juked 3 times which pretty much ended his career as it was all downhill from there. But you don't hear about it as we don't whinge about it (or at least I don't). At the end of the day I expect my team to overcome whatever obstacles are placed in its way, whether they are fair or not. We face obstacles in life every day, and they are not always fair. I look at cricket, and other sports, the same way.

But that's my opinion and I reserve the right to express it as I believe I am doing so in a reasonable, courteous fashion. I'm not trying to stop anyone from whinging or using umpiring as the reason/excuse their team is not doing well. If it makes them feel better, then more power to them. I'm just calling it out.

 

[Indiafan]

Whenever did Ponting advocate walking for batsmen? I think you've got your wires crossed there, mate. Ponting has never advocated walking for batsmen - in fact he disapproved of Gilly's walking, because of the "it all evens out" principle. In this he's no different to 95% of today's batsmen who do not walk either.

As for "being in such situations before" - we have. England 2005. Martyn got juked 3 times which pretty much ended his career as it was all downhill from there. But you don't hear about it as we don't whinge about it (or at least I don't). At the end of the day I expect my team to overcome whatever obstacles are placed in its way, whether they are fair or not. We face obstacles in life every day, and they are not always fair. I look at cricket, and other sports, the same way.

But that's my opinion and I reserve the right to express it as I believe I am doing so in a reasonable, courteous fashion. I'm not trying to stop anyone from whinging or using umpiring as the reason/excuse their team is not doing well. If it makes them feel better, then more power to them. I'm just calling it out.

I remember Ponting claiming before the Ashes that all batsmen should walk and teams should have an agreement.

I remember in the recent ODI series in india when Ponting criciticised Karthik for not walking. As i said being on top of the world, its pretty easy to cope with unfairness. But if country after country complain about unfairness on yet another Aussie tour there is definitley something more than luck, or bad descisions at play.

I dont see anyone making it an excuse for their loss. SL did not, nor did the windies. i am sure Indians wont either. But i only wish we had raised a huge stink in the last series, maybe we wouldnt have had to gone thorugh it again.

 

[OZGOD]

I remember Ponting claiming before the Ashes that all batsmen should walk and teams should have an agreement.

You are incorrect. Ponting was advocating that batsmen should accept the word of a fielder in the event of a catch close to the ground due to the inconclusiveness of replays. That is different to walking when you think you are out (i.e. because you nicked it or whatever).

I remember in the recent ODI series in india when Ponting criciticised Karthik for not walking

Link please? I would like to understand the context in which this statement was allegedly made.

 

[Indiafan]

You are incorrect. Ponting was advocating that batsmen should accept the word of a fielder in the event of a catch close to the ground due to the inconclusiveness of replays. That is different to walking when you think you are out (i.e. because you nicked it or whatever).



Link please? I would like to understand the context in which this statement was allegedly made.

Not sure whether I have a link, but Karthik had nicked one in the last ODI and was given not out. Ponting not only sledged him horughout his innings baout not walking but after Karthik admitted that he had nicked it in a press conference cricticised him in the conference too.

Needless to say, Aus had lost that one

 

[Inswinger]

Day 2 is underway.
Lets see if Symonds can continue his 3rd innings of the match and score a double hundred.

 

[12thMan]

there is another thread for Day 2

 

[Inswinger]

oh yeah sorry
DAY 2 comments go here http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=51413