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[MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION], how do you see this playing in the final analysis? Is Australian cricket finished? Is this not an existential threat?
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Australian star David Warner says pay dispute puts Ashes summer in doubt
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No. Its two sides posturing during a pay dispute which will sorted out in a matter of months.
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Well yes. But ultimately the statements by Sutherland proceeding this and the statements by Warner are two sides over a pay dispute playing for public support.
The actual conflict isn't even over the wages of players like Warner. In the CA model their wages will not be decreased.
The savings will come at the cost of the Sheffield Shield/Big Bash players.
But because all the players are in a union it is the international players who are the ones involved.
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Ashes player boycott won't happen: Australian coach Darren Lehmann
Australian coach Darren Lehmann says cricket's warring parties will settle their pay dispute amicably and remains convinced a player boycott won't throw this year's Ashes series into unprecedented turmoil.
Lehmann spoke as he prepared to depart for England for the ICC Champions Trophy tournament, which will bring Australian cricket's leading male players together for the first time since the pay dispute escalated.
The Australian Cricketers' Association and the sport's governing body, Cricket Australia, remain at loggerheads over the details of a new memorandum of understanding (MOU), which would come into effect after the current pay deal expires.
CA wants to move away from the revenue-sharing model that has served the game for the past 20 years, a stance that has thrown players into an open revolt that has included the threat of a boycott.
"If it gets to the extreme they might not have a team for the Ashes," said opener David Warner earlier in the week. "We won't buckle at all; we are standing together and very strong."
Lehmann believes that's a bridge too far and while be believes negotiations will go down to the wire, has no doubt that Test cricket's showpiece series will go ahead as planned.
"No, I wouldn't think so (that a boycott would happen). And I'd hope not as a fan. I'm sure that won't happen," Lehmann said.
The Australian coach finds himself in a unique position during the pay dispute, having both the ear of the players and his employer, CA. He was a former president of the ACA (2006-2009) and was central to previous MOU negotiations.
He said he had his views on the best funding model for the game but was less than enthusiastic to divulge. He did urge both groups to find a way to get back to the table.
"I have my views on that but I'm not going to share it with you guys. I'm literally talking to both players and CA," Lehmann said.
"I think both parties have just got to get talking. That's what they've got to do. They'll get a deal done and once that happens, everyone will be right and we'll move forward and get the game going the way it should be.
"When we first started the ACA, I was part of that as a player, delegate and a president. You have those issues. Every sport has them, to be perfectly honest - there's sports around Australia having them now.
"It's just about communication and getting the right outcome for both parties, that's going to be key."
He conceded the dispute would undoubtedly be a distraction during the looming tournament but backed his players to perform in what shapes as an important piece on the pre-Ashes build up.
"So for us it's about concentrating on the game. There's going to be discussions, that's the natural way from a players' point of view and CA's point of view. And it's playing out in the media as we know.
"For us we can just concentrate on getting ready for cricket and we've got our guys, some in India, some in England, some here. Once we all get together we'll talk about it and move forward."
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket...ian-coach-darren-lehmann-20170518-gw7hfb.html
Australian coach Darren Lehmann says cricket's warring parties will settle their pay dispute amicably and remains convinced a player boycott won't throw this year's Ashes series into unprecedented turmoil.
Lehmann spoke as he prepared to depart for England for the ICC Champions Trophy tournament, which will bring Australian cricket's leading male players together for the first time since the pay dispute escalated.
The Australian Cricketers' Association and the sport's governing body, Cricket Australia, remain at loggerheads over the details of a new memorandum of understanding (MOU), which would come into effect after the current pay deal expires.
CA wants to move away from the revenue-sharing model that has served the game for the past 20 years, a stance that has thrown players into an open revolt that has included the threat of a boycott.
"If it gets to the extreme they might not have a team for the Ashes," said opener David Warner earlier in the week. "We won't buckle at all; we are standing together and very strong."
Lehmann believes that's a bridge too far and while be believes negotiations will go down to the wire, has no doubt that Test cricket's showpiece series will go ahead as planned.
"No, I wouldn't think so (that a boycott would happen). And I'd hope not as a fan. I'm sure that won't happen," Lehmann said.
The Australian coach finds himself in a unique position during the pay dispute, having both the ear of the players and his employer, CA. He was a former president of the ACA (2006-2009) and was central to previous MOU negotiations.
He said he had his views on the best funding model for the game but was less than enthusiastic to divulge. He did urge both groups to find a way to get back to the table.
"I have my views on that but I'm not going to share it with you guys. I'm literally talking to both players and CA," Lehmann said.
"I think both parties have just got to get talking. That's what they've got to do. They'll get a deal done and once that happens, everyone will be right and we'll move forward and get the game going the way it should be.
"When we first started the ACA, I was part of that as a player, delegate and a president. You have those issues. Every sport has them, to be perfectly honest - there's sports around Australia having them now.
"It's just about communication and getting the right outcome for both parties, that's going to be key."
He conceded the dispute would undoubtedly be a distraction during the looming tournament but backed his players to perform in what shapes as an important piece on the pre-Ashes build up.
"So for us it's about concentrating on the game. There's going to be discussions, that's the natural way from a players' point of view and CA's point of view. And it's playing out in the media as we know.
"For us we can just concentrate on getting ready for cricket and we've got our guys, some in India, some in England, some here. Once we all get together we'll talk about it and move forward."
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket...ian-coach-darren-lehmann-20170518-gw7hfb.html
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The Federation of International Cricketers’ Associations (FICA) today commented on the ongoing dispute in Australia in the context of the global cricket structure and players’ fundamental right to freedom of movement
"The situation in Australia, where there are indications that some of Australia's best players could be lost to international cricket, highlights the need for a better international structure in which international cricket and domestic T20 leagues (most of which are in any event owned by the Boards) can co-exist”, said Tony Irish, Executive Chairman of FICA. "FICA has been advocating for an improved global structure for some time.”
“In a better global cricket structure, which includes proper competition structures for the three formats of the game, we also believe some form of global regulatory framework agreed with the players and their representatives would be a positive. We have flagged with the ICC, and Boards with whom we engage, the co-development of a framework that would protect both the game and the players, and balance the interest of international cricket with T20 Leagues."
"As it stands, the ICC does have some existing regulations on the provision of ‘No Objection Certificates’ to players who wish to play in a domestic T20 league. These however were not specifically agreed with the players, and, given where the game now stands, we think a new framework is required. To the extent that a Board might now attempt to rely on existing ICC regulations to restrict players who are not contracted from playing in domestic T20 leagues, FICA believes that would be open to legal challenge in most jurisdictions as a restraint of trade."
"FICA stands for fundamental rights of players to freedom of movement and for players to play where they are valued. Because of the way the game is structured, there is more than one market open to players. It would be patently unfair not to allow a player to compete in one market, when he or she is not employed in the other. FICA will support appropriate player challenges to country Boards that attempt to prevent players from earning a living in markets where they are valued."
“Both international cricket and the T20 leagues are important to the overall game. We simply have to find a way to balance an improved form of international cricket with the leagues. We think this is possible with genuine will and co-operation and we look forward to continuing to work with the ICC and Boards on this.
"The situation in Australia, where there are indications that some of Australia's best players could be lost to international cricket, highlights the need for a better international structure in which international cricket and domestic T20 leagues (most of which are in any event owned by the Boards) can co-exist”, said Tony Irish, Executive Chairman of FICA. "FICA has been advocating for an improved global structure for some time.”
“In a better global cricket structure, which includes proper competition structures for the three formats of the game, we also believe some form of global regulatory framework agreed with the players and their representatives would be a positive. We have flagged with the ICC, and Boards with whom we engage, the co-development of a framework that would protect both the game and the players, and balance the interest of international cricket with T20 Leagues."
"As it stands, the ICC does have some existing regulations on the provision of ‘No Objection Certificates’ to players who wish to play in a domestic T20 league. These however were not specifically agreed with the players, and, given where the game now stands, we think a new framework is required. To the extent that a Board might now attempt to rely on existing ICC regulations to restrict players who are not contracted from playing in domestic T20 leagues, FICA believes that would be open to legal challenge in most jurisdictions as a restraint of trade."
"FICA stands for fundamental rights of players to freedom of movement and for players to play where they are valued. Because of the way the game is structured, there is more than one market open to players. It would be patently unfair not to allow a player to compete in one market, when he or she is not employed in the other. FICA will support appropriate player challenges to country Boards that attempt to prevent players from earning a living in markets where they are valued."
“Both international cricket and the T20 leagues are important to the overall game. We simply have to find a way to balance an improved form of international cricket with the leagues. We think this is possible with genuine will and co-operation and we look forward to continuing to work with the ICC and Boards on this.
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Australian government offers to resolve pay dispute
Greg Hunt, the sports minister of Australia, said on Sunday (May 28) that the federal government was ready to mediate between Cricket Australia (CA) and the players, represented by the Australian Cricketers’ Association (ACA), in the ongoing pay dispute.
David Peever, the CA chairman, has turned down the ACA’s request for independent mediation and there are fears the standoff could lead to a players’ boycott of the showpiece Ashes series later in the year.
Hunt clarified the government was hesitant about intervening in contract disputes in professional sport, but felt there was scope to act as a mediator if the dispute looked likely to threaten the home Ashes series.
“If it got to a last-minute situation, I suspect that we would offer to provide good officers brokering between the parties, but there’s six months between now and the Ashes,” Hunt was quoted as saying by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation. “It would be unthinkable that in the end we wouldn’t have a full team. I do not see either the players or the administration returning to the late 1970s where we had a second-rate team.
“The players love playing for Australia, Cricket Australia knows this is not just fundamental to sport, it is part of our national identity. I’m very confident they will reach an agreement.”
Hunt added that the advice he had was that “with six months to travel, the Ashes will be proceeding with a full Australian team, and on Boxing Day (the start of the fourth Test in Melbourne), you’ll have Steve Smith, David Warner and the rest of the team out there”.
Meanwhile, the ACA has described CA’s rejection of the players call for mediation as lacking in common sense. “The CA strategy is to refuse to deal with the ACA and go directly to individual players to try and break the model,” a spokesman said on Saturday. “This is despite the players repeated insistence for CA to respect their request and mediate with the ACA.
“To refuse mediation at a time when it’s the only sensible way forward shows a clear lack of common sense.”
CA is determined to scrap revenue sharing after 20 years, saying more funds were needed for the game’s development at the grassroots, and that the offer it had put on the table provided handsomely for players. But the ACA has been equally resolute in insisting that revenue sharing must continue, saying that the system was not broken and did not need fixing.
The current memorandum of understanding between the two groups expires on June 30.
http://www.wisdenindia.com/cricket-news/australian-government-offers-to-resolve-pay-dispute/255462
Greg Hunt, the sports minister of Australia, said on Sunday (May 28) that the federal government was ready to mediate between Cricket Australia (CA) and the players, represented by the Australian Cricketers’ Association (ACA), in the ongoing pay dispute.
David Peever, the CA chairman, has turned down the ACA’s request for independent mediation and there are fears the standoff could lead to a players’ boycott of the showpiece Ashes series later in the year.
Hunt clarified the government was hesitant about intervening in contract disputes in professional sport, but felt there was scope to act as a mediator if the dispute looked likely to threaten the home Ashes series.
“If it got to a last-minute situation, I suspect that we would offer to provide good officers brokering between the parties, but there’s six months between now and the Ashes,” Hunt was quoted as saying by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation. “It would be unthinkable that in the end we wouldn’t have a full team. I do not see either the players or the administration returning to the late 1970s where we had a second-rate team.
“The players love playing for Australia, Cricket Australia knows this is not just fundamental to sport, it is part of our national identity. I’m very confident they will reach an agreement.”
Hunt added that the advice he had was that “with six months to travel, the Ashes will be proceeding with a full Australian team, and on Boxing Day (the start of the fourth Test in Melbourne), you’ll have Steve Smith, David Warner and the rest of the team out there”.
Meanwhile, the ACA has described CA’s rejection of the players call for mediation as lacking in common sense. “The CA strategy is to refuse to deal with the ACA and go directly to individual players to try and break the model,” a spokesman said on Saturday. “This is despite the players repeated insistence for CA to respect their request and mediate with the ACA.
“To refuse mediation at a time when it’s the only sensible way forward shows a clear lack of common sense.”
CA is determined to scrap revenue sharing after 20 years, saying more funds were needed for the game’s development at the grassroots, and that the offer it had put on the table provided handsomely for players. But the ACA has been equally resolute in insisting that revenue sharing must continue, saying that the system was not broken and did not need fixing.
The current memorandum of understanding between the two groups expires on June 30.
http://www.wisdenindia.com/cricket-news/australian-government-offers-to-resolve-pay-dispute/255462
Warner says 'no contracts, can't play' in CA dig
Sydney - Vice-captain David Warner has attacked Cricket Australia's handling of a pay dispute and once again raised the spectre of an Ashes series boycott by players later this year.
The feisty opener has not backed away from claims he made last month of a potential players' strike during the showpiece home series against England, starting in November.
CA has threatened not to pay contracted players beyond the June 30 expiry of their current financial deal if they do not accept a new offer.
But Warner has gone on the front foot, claiming the governing body had prosecuted its argument primarily through media briefings.
"If we are unemployed, we have no contracts, we can't play," he told Fairfax Media Monday in England at the Champions Trophy.
"We are pretty sure that they will come to an agreement. But, as you know, we are going to be unemployed come July 1. So we have to wait and see."
Warner said beyond "a couple of emails" CA management had not engaged with its contracted players.
"It is only what we hear in the media and that's how CA have been driving it the whole way," he said.
"They have been using the media as a voice and we get the message from there."
Warner again pledged his "full support" to fellow players and affirmed he is "100 percent" behind the Australian Cricketers' Association (ACA).
"They are doing a great job for us," he said of the players' union's efforts in the dispute.
"From a players' point of view, we are pretty vocal and upbeat."
Warner added that he remains hopeful a new Memorandum of Understanding can be struck between now and June 30.
"It is a big thing that we could be unemployed, but from us, our job is to play cricket, focus on winning the (Champions Trophy) tournament and not let our country down," he said.
CA is determined to scrap revenue-sharing after 20 years, saying more funds were needed for the game's grassroots, and that the offer it has on the table provided handsomely for players.
But the ACA is equally resolved to keep revenue-sharing, saying the system does not need fixing.
With no end in sight to the impasse, the ACA has disclosed plans to form a new business to help male and female players directly negotiate sponsorship deals.
Establishing "The Cricketers' Brand", designed to manage and commercialise player's intellectual property (IP) rights, was necessary due to "the uncertainty of all parties regarding IP matters should the players be unemployed post June 30," it recently said.
http://m.sport24.co.za/sport24/Cric...ays-no-contracts-cant-play-in-ca-dig-20170605
Sydney - Vice-captain David Warner has attacked Cricket Australia's handling of a pay dispute and once again raised the spectre of an Ashes series boycott by players later this year.
The feisty opener has not backed away from claims he made last month of a potential players' strike during the showpiece home series against England, starting in November.
CA has threatened not to pay contracted players beyond the June 30 expiry of their current financial deal if they do not accept a new offer.
But Warner has gone on the front foot, claiming the governing body had prosecuted its argument primarily through media briefings.
"If we are unemployed, we have no contracts, we can't play," he told Fairfax Media Monday in England at the Champions Trophy.
"We are pretty sure that they will come to an agreement. But, as you know, we are going to be unemployed come July 1. So we have to wait and see."
Warner said beyond "a couple of emails" CA management had not engaged with its contracted players.
"It is only what we hear in the media and that's how CA have been driving it the whole way," he said.
"They have been using the media as a voice and we get the message from there."
Warner again pledged his "full support" to fellow players and affirmed he is "100 percent" behind the Australian Cricketers' Association (ACA).
"They are doing a great job for us," he said of the players' union's efforts in the dispute.
"From a players' point of view, we are pretty vocal and upbeat."
Warner added that he remains hopeful a new Memorandum of Understanding can be struck between now and June 30.
"It is a big thing that we could be unemployed, but from us, our job is to play cricket, focus on winning the (Champions Trophy) tournament and not let our country down," he said.
CA is determined to scrap revenue-sharing after 20 years, saying more funds were needed for the game's grassroots, and that the offer it has on the table provided handsomely for players.
But the ACA is equally resolved to keep revenue-sharing, saying the system does not need fixing.
With no end in sight to the impasse, the ACA has disclosed plans to form a new business to help male and female players directly negotiate sponsorship deals.
Establishing "The Cricketers' Brand", designed to manage and commercialise player's intellectual property (IP) rights, was necessary due to "the uncertainty of all parties regarding IP matters should the players be unemployed post June 30," it recently said.
http://m.sport24.co.za/sport24/Cric...ays-no-contracts-cant-play-in-ca-dig-20170605
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Cricket Australia Confirms New Offer
Cricket Australia today provided a new pay offer to the nation’s cricketers to find a solution to the current impasse.
The new offer allows for further negotiation. It was made in good faith and in an attempt to reach an agreement by 30 June. Contracts sent to players today do not ask for signatures. It has been made clear to the players that the contracts are subject to the completion of a new collective agreement.
Cricket Australia has listened to feedback from players and has also invited the ACA to explore the flexibility that it is prepared to offer in order to conclude a new Memorandum of Understanding (a five-year collective agreement).
Player feedback suggests that the sharing of international cricket surpluses with male and female domestic players, and the level of pay increases for male state players, are critical issues for them.
CA is now offering to:
- Increase the international cricket surpluses that are shared with players,
- Include all domestic players in the sharing arrangements, and
- Increase annual pay rises to male state players (with commensurate increases for WNCL and WBBL players to maintain gender pay equity; a base rate of pay for all players is a hallmark of CA’s ground-breaking offer).
Full financial information was provided to the ACA in confidence earlier this week, and the ACA currently has all figures and scenarios that Cricket Australia is working with. This information is sufficient for players and their union to assess CA’s pay offer. As CA has explained many times to the ACA, 80% of cricket’s revenue is uncontracted for the next five years, and confidential scenarios are the appropriate and financially responsible way to approach the issue.
Details of this offer are able to be negotiated with the ACA, which CA has indicated today.
Cricket Australia remains 100% committed to resolving the MOU by 30 June.
Cricket Australia today provided a new pay offer to the nation’s cricketers to find a solution to the current impasse.
The new offer allows for further negotiation. It was made in good faith and in an attempt to reach an agreement by 30 June. Contracts sent to players today do not ask for signatures. It has been made clear to the players that the contracts are subject to the completion of a new collective agreement.
Cricket Australia has listened to feedback from players and has also invited the ACA to explore the flexibility that it is prepared to offer in order to conclude a new Memorandum of Understanding (a five-year collective agreement).
Player feedback suggests that the sharing of international cricket surpluses with male and female domestic players, and the level of pay increases for male state players, are critical issues for them.
CA is now offering to:
- Increase the international cricket surpluses that are shared with players,
- Include all domestic players in the sharing arrangements, and
- Increase annual pay rises to male state players (with commensurate increases for WNCL and WBBL players to maintain gender pay equity; a base rate of pay for all players is a hallmark of CA’s ground-breaking offer).
Full financial information was provided to the ACA in confidence earlier this week, and the ACA currently has all figures and scenarios that Cricket Australia is working with. This information is sufficient for players and their union to assess CA’s pay offer. As CA has explained many times to the ACA, 80% of cricket’s revenue is uncontracted for the next five years, and confidential scenarios are the appropriate and financially responsible way to approach the issue.
Details of this offer are able to be negotiated with the ACA, which CA has indicated today.
Cricket Australia remains 100% committed to resolving the MOU by 30 June.
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Legal issues if CA stop exodus: Watson
Retired Test allrounder Shane Watson has cautioned of legal consequences should Cricket Australia stand in the way of unemployed players seeking to take part in overseas competitions.
With a new memorandum of understanding (MoU) highly unlikely to be struck by Friday's deadline, about 230 of Australia's most senior cricketers are set to become free agents.
Should the chasm between CA and the players union remain, Watson predicts many players would look abroad for opportunities in one of several lucrative domestic Twenty20 leagues including in the Caribbean, Bangladesh and South Africa.
Even while uncontracted, they would require a No Objection Certificate (NOC) from CA to play elsewhere.
Watson, an Australian Cricketers Association (ACA) executive member, said a failure to provide NOCs could leave the governing body facing legal ramifications.
"If Cricket Australia knock back an NOC that's a significant restraint of trade as well," Watson said.
"In the end I've got a Big Bash contract. Of course, I've got to get an NOC signed.
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"For them to restrict my potential to be able to actually play and be employed somewhere else, there would be some pretty serious legal issues there."
Watson said "it would be a disaster" if the crisis dragged on long enough to disrupt Australia's preparations for the summer Ashes series.
"Because in the end, everyone wants the best players playing all the time for Australia ... especially in the lead-up to the Ashes series," he said.
"The dream of any Australian cricketer is to play in that series. If the lead-up doesn't go to plan because the players aren't able to play high-quality cricket, we certainly don't want to give the English an upper hand.
"The players certainly don't want that and I'm sure Cricket Australia don't want that either, but where things are at at the moment is not great."
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Retired Test allrounder Shane Watson has cautioned of legal consequences should Cricket Australia stand in the way of unemployed players seeking to take part in overseas competitions.
With a new memorandum of understanding (MoU) highly unlikely to be struck by Friday's deadline, about 230 of Australia's most senior cricketers are set to become free agents.
Should the chasm between CA and the players union remain, Watson predicts many players would look abroad for opportunities in one of several lucrative domestic Twenty20 leagues including in the Caribbean, Bangladesh and South Africa.
Even while uncontracted, they would require a No Objection Certificate (NOC) from CA to play elsewhere.
Watson, an Australian Cricketers Association (ACA) executive member, said a failure to provide NOCs could leave the governing body facing legal ramifications.
"If Cricket Australia knock back an NOC that's a significant restraint of trade as well," Watson said.
"In the end I've got a Big Bash contract. Of course, I've got to get an NOC signed.
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"For them to restrict my potential to be able to actually play and be employed somewhere else, there would be some pretty serious legal issues there."
Watson said "it would be a disaster" if the crisis dragged on long enough to disrupt Australia's preparations for the summer Ashes series.
"Because in the end, everyone wants the best players playing all the time for Australia ... especially in the lead-up to the Ashes series," he said.
"The dream of any Australian cricketer is to play in that series. If the lead-up doesn't go to plan because the players aren't able to play high-quality cricket, we certainly don't want to give the English an upper hand.
"The players certainly don't want that and I'm sure Cricket Australia don't want that either, but where things are at at the moment is not great."
CA has been contacted for comment.
http://wwos.nine.com.au/2017/06/27/14/42/legal-issues-if-ca-stop-exodus-watson
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