Australian Test batting average watch

[Junaids]

Pakistan tours Australia in 15 weeks, and the Test averages of the host batsmen are looking bad and in freefall.

Here are the grim facts:

1. DAVID WARNER - averaging 48.63
- stable, and quite scary.

2. JOE BURNS - averaging 41.52
- in free fall currently, at the end of the tour of New Zealand his average was 49.29.

3. USMAN KHAWAJA - averaging 44.03
- an even steeper decline, he had an average of 51.05 just a few Tests ago, but seems clueless against spin bowling.

4. STEVE SMITH - averaging 58.55
- like Warner, remains stable and scary.

5. ADAM VOGES - averaging 72.75
- the most misleading record of all.
- he averages 542.00 against the West Indies and 99.00 against New Zealand, thanks to some incredibly placid pitches.
- but he averages just 28.71 against England and 19.66 against Sri Lanka, and passes his 37th birthday before South Africa and Pakistan tour.

6. MITCHELL MARSH - averaging 24.00
- he has passed 50 only twice in 29 Test innings, ironically in his second and last Test matches. He went 15 Test matches in between without reaching 50 in an innings.
- until his 50 in the first innings of his most recent Test, he failed to reach 40 in 21 consecutive Test innings.

7. PETER NEVILL - averaging 20.88
- another stunningly poor Test record.
- he has only scored 2 fifties in 19 Test innings, and in his last 10 Test innings his highest scores are 24 and 32.
- In the other 8 of his last 10 innings he has not even reached a score of 15.

David Warner and Steve Smith are potential series-winners. But the bottom line is that two of Australia's top seven are tail-enders (Marsh and Nevill) while three more (Burns, Khawaja and Voges) are in serious danger of losing their place in the side.

 

[Convict]

I think Nevill's record is misleading.

He either comes in at 5/500 and in need of slogging when he's not a slogger or after a massive collapse.

 

[Mamoon]

The record of all of their batsmen barring Smith are misleading, who himself is not a 60 averaging player, more of a 50-55 average player, which means he's world class in every sense of the word.

Warner is a juggernaut on fast, bouncy pitches but he is rubbish against swing, spin and seam. Basically the biggest FTB/HTB in the world by a massive distance.

Doesn't deserve a 50 average, 40 odd would be a better reflection of his skills and deeply lacking temperament.

 

[QalandarFan]

It's better if we don't even talk about Adam's test record. The most Misleading record in the history of the game.

 

[QalandarFan]

Before this tour his average was above 100 and people were comparing him to Bradman!!! I was like

 

[QalandarFan]

The two with accurate Records are Warner and Smith. Two great batsman for Australia

 

[Convict]

Before this tour his average was above 100 and people were comparing him to Bradman!!! I was like

The only facepalms are for those that thought any comparison wasn't tongue in cheek

 

[Fahdi]

Khwaja, Voges and co. will be scoring tons for fun back in Australia.

Steve Smith's average of 58 flatters his performance. He is a great player but not that good. Definitely a 50+ average batsman though.

Warner is like the Sehwag of Australia. The king in conditions that suit him.

 

[Statsman]

Australian batting is weak and unstable these days. If any of their main bowlers (Hazewood, Starc) gets injured in the coming season Pakistan will have a strong chance of upsetting them. They already have a chance.

 

[kingusama92]

Thing is, they're lethal at home.

If we were playing in UAE, these numbers would mean something. Most of these guys do exceptionally well at home.

 

[Pete Rose]

Good to know, I guess. Their averages in Australia matter far more. Pakistan have a tough tough series ahead of them. It's difficult to be outright optimistic ahead of this tour. But one thing that they have to really work hard on is slip catching. It's been as poor as our batting and bowling there.
You need to hope that South Africa tires them out before we get to face them. And if Pakistan can somehow survive the Gabba, just maybe they can compete.

 

[Statsman]

Thing is, they're lethal at home.

If we were playing in UAE, these numbers would mean something. Most of these guys do exceptionally well at home.

Pakistan has an exceptional leg spinner this time. And leggies do far better than offies down under. Aussies have literally no clue on which way the ball spins so I think these numbers will still mean something.

 

[Ab Fan]

Smith is a world class batsmen but even still his avg flatters his performance. Most of his runs are on flat pitches and quite a few of them on dead rubber games.

Warner is match winner but only when conditions suits him.

Others are anyways overrated FTBs.

However, Australian bowling is underrated. Starc, Hazelwood, Cummins are all very good bowlers who know how to take wickets on flat pitches.

 

[Convict]

Pakistan has an exceptional leg spinner this time. And leggies do far better than offies down under. Aussies have literally no clue on which way the ball spins so I think these numbers will still mean something.

Australians have no idea which way the ball spins outside of Australia where it's more variable

 

[Pete Rose]

Pakistan has an exceptional leg spinner this time. And leggies do far better than offies down under. Aussies have literally no clue on which way the ball spins so I think these numbers will still mean something.

Yes, but spinners in general need scoreboard pressure to add doubt. Yasir is no doubt a fantastic performer, but you get true predictable bounce in Australia and he is not a big side spin bowler - he needs to beat the outside edge just enough times for his straight-ish legspin to be effective. The reason Australia struggled in India/SL/UAE is because, they were under pressure due to the variable nature of bounce/spin in these places: they did not know which would go straight, which would turn, which would stay low etc. In order to create that kind of doubt Pakistan will need (a) score big and prolong the innings whenever they bat and/or (b) take the match to day 4. So yes, Pakistan potentially have the bowling tools (a good legspinner, and pacers who can be discipined and are not interested in personal glory of seeing balls flying around but not dismissing the batsmen), it is really their batting that needs, to deliver, just like it needed to in England. If Pakistan bat long, they will make things happen. The batsmen need to set up the match for the bowlers and not the other way around. The Old Trafford test (where even moeen ali became effective) and the Oval test are examples of the pitches and the type of performance required.

 

[Junaids]

If the pitches in Australia are like last year, these are the facts of life for Pakistan.

The First Test will be a day/night affair with a pink ball, and the key bowlers are Mohammad Asif or failing that Ehsan Adil. It should be a very low-scoring affair, and Yasir Shah might not even get a bowl.

But Joe Burns, Usman Khawaja and Adam Voges showed against both the West Indies and New Zealand last year than modern grassless Aussie tracks for red ball Tests require a fast bowler to be at least 6 foot 4 tall or 145K, or both.

Trent Boult was toothless at Brisbane and Perth. I expect very little of most of Pakistan's bowlers - I fear that with the red ball the only ones who could trouble Australia are Mohammad Asif and Ehsan Adil for their height and Wahab Riaz. And I'd seriously consider giving Mohammad Irfan the MCG Test, just for his height.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Usman Khwaja is biggest disappointment so far, i was expecting some good knock from him.

 

[Slog]

Irrelevant thread and the averages decline you are mentioning doesnt help in anyway because these are on Sri Lankan pitches which are as spin friendly as it gets (UAE is fairly even imo. no minefields)

Australian batting is weak and unstable these days. If any of their main bowlers (Hazewood, Starc) gets injured in the coming season Pakistan will have a strong chance of upsetting them. They already have a chance.

Doesnt matter again re batting as these same weak and unstable lineup is unbelievable run machines at home and on flat wickets

Bowling, if Starc and Hazelwood play, is beyond capabilty of most Asian batsmen especially if its on pitches with bounce which even flat Aussie wickets have.

Starc alone will eat us alive. He is been in insane form since WC few weeks before start of 2015. India did well against him but they have Kohli, and Starc hadnt reached superhuman levels by then

 

[Haroon786]

Over the course of time, Smith might not be a 60 averaging batsman but right now in his peak he is certainly up there with all the ATGs - performing well everywhere he goes on all kinds of wickets.

Playing well against Starc and Hazelwood will be Pakistan's biggest challenge and the litmus test as to whether or not they'll win the series.

 

[street cricketer]

Irrelevant thread and the averages decline you are mentioning doesnt help in anyway because these are on Sri Lankan pitches which are as spin friendly as it gets (UAE is fairly even imo. no minefields)



Doesnt matter again re batting as these same weak and unstable lineup is unbelievable run machines at home and on flat wickets

Bowling, if Starc and Hazelwood play, is beyond capabilty of most Asian batsmen especially if its on pitches with bounce which even flat Aussie wickets have.

Starc alone will eat us alive. He is been in insane form since WC few weeks before start of 2015. India did well against him but they have Kohli, and Starc hadnt reached superhuman levels by then

Stop reverse jinxing Junaids.

 

[Hasan123]

Australia have a lot to prove in subcontinent but in Australia there batters are strong and will score runs. Warner is dangerous on tracks with pace and bounce which is what we should anticipate for the upcoming tour.


Not expecting big things from Warner, Khwaja, and Voges when Australia play India next year

 

[troodon]

In Australia,

Expect, Smith, Voges to play like Bradman
Expect Warner to play like Left Handed Viru
Expect Mitch Marsh to play like Woakes
Expect Khwaja to look all class.

Aus batsmen are totally different when they play on their home ground. Its an achievement to even draw a game against them.

Only Aus bowlers know how to take 20 wickets on those roads. When Hazlewood, Starc, Cummins bowl, the ball starts spitting venom. Some how Lyon also spins the ball on those surfaces.

 

[Pakprideuk]

A strong bowling attack and Misbahs way of captaining may just help neutralise Australia. Ive been critical of Misbah in the uk for his defensive mindset but against Aus it will help. Aussies like to play their shots and get bat on ball, if we keep the ball on a good length and tie them down with a few boundary riders, the likes of Warner, marsh, khawaja will throw it away.

 

[The_Odd_One]

This is the weakest Australian batting line up Pakistan will ever compete against. However, Australian pace bowling is the best in the world.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Over the course of time, Smith might not be a 60 averaging batsman but right now in his peak he is certainly up there with all the ATGs - performing well everywhere he goes on all kinds of wickets.

Playing well against Starc and Hazelwood will be Pakistan's biggest challenge and the litmus test as to whether or not they'll win the series.

Smith has just 1 century in 7 matches that he has played in Asia and that too came in a dead rubber when Marsh played a better inning and Australia still lost the test and got whitewashed in SL because Smith got out cheaply in the 2nd inning.

 

[SLcric123]

Smith is world class batsmen and Warner is just a very good test player. Other players are mostly FTBs.

 

[aloo paratha]

It's better if we don't even talk about Adam's test record. The most Misleading record in the history of the game.

Agree, feasted on WI and then scored 212 when he was bowled by Bracewell but wrongly called no ball, he was on 7...

 

[Haroon786]

Smith has just 1 century in 7 matches that he has played in Asia and that too came in a dead rubber when Marsh played a better inning and Australia still lost the test and got whitewashed in SL because Smith got out cheaply in the 2nd inning.

I wasn't watching, so I can't verify whether Marsh's innings was better or not. You're incorrect in thinking that the sole reason Australia lost a Test is because one batsman got out.

 

[90MPH]

It's better to attack spinners and use your feet if you are unsure on how much it is spinning or which way.

That's the mantra Australia should have had and planned against Sri Lanka. You can't just let good spin bowlers land on a length consistently on turning tracks because sooner or later you will get a ball with your name on it. You need to attack with calculation.

 

[Junaids]

Mitchell Marsh (0) and Usman Khawaja (4) on ever more shaky ground at the WACA......

 

[Suleiman]

Is Peter Nevill seriously the best keeper batsman in Aus??

Hard to believe.

Looks like a glorified Adnan Akmal who isn't doing too badly himself these days.

 

[Junaids]

Is Peter Nevill seriously the best keeper batsman in Aus??

Hard to believe.

Looks like a glorified Adnan Akmal who isn't doing too badly himself these days.

That's exactly what he is. Good point.

 

[Bilal7]

I really hope we get to play this Australian batting side later this year. Marsh and Neville are free wickets and Shaun Marsh and Voges won't be too difficult to dislodge.

The pace attack though is probably the best in the world.

 

[Junaids]

Adam Voges' Test average has now fallen to 67.40, which sounds fabulous.

Until you realise that it is comprised of:

England 28.71
South Africa 14.00
Sri Lanka 19.66
New Zealand 99.00
West Indies 542.00

 

[troodon]

I really hope we get to play this Australian batting side later this year. Marsh and Neville are free wickets and Shaun Marsh and Voges won't be too difficult to dislodge.

The pace attack though is probably the best in the world.

If Pakistan can play out Starc, the rest of the bowling looks weak.

Aus does not want to select Express pace men. Pattinson and Cummins rarely get to play. The likes of Siddle are just your average trundlers. Lyon is not threatening anywhere except Adelaide.

If Aus wants to win, they need to go with Starc, Haze and Pattinson. Zampa should also feature in the lineup.

Aus batting looks very weak outside of Warner and Smith. Even Smith looks out of Form considering his God like form until last year.

Pak has a decent chance of winning the Test series if they can consistently put up a score of 350+ on the board.

 

[Junaids]

MITCHELL MARSH -
- somehow batting at Number 6.
- has only ever scored 1 domestic First Class century in Australia.
- Scored 0 and 26 in this match.

- Now averaging 23.18 in Test cricket.

- he has passed 50 only twice in 31 Test innings.
- until his 50 in the first innings of his second most recent Test, he failed to reach 40 in 21 consecutive Test innings.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Never rated this team much. Bowling is good but their batting is probably weaker than most teams.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

So you're telling me Voges isn't the second coming of Bradman?

 

[Junaids]

There are real problems opening up in the Aussie batting order now, aren't there?

1. Dave Warner - superb, but never lasts 200 balls.
2. Shaun Marsh - averages barely 40, notoriously slow starter
3. Usman Khawaja - pretty good, averaging 44.50
4. Steve Smith - averages 57.40, but bowlers now know to bowl 2 feet outside off-stump
5. Grandpa Voges - averages 44.81 if you exclude the West Indies, at his peak wasn't good enough to get into the side.
6. Mitchell Marsh - averages 23.18 at number 6! That's Hafeez territory!
7. Peter Nevill - averages 22.05!
That is arguably the worst pairing of numbers 6 and 7 in world cricket, even including Mohammad Nawaz!

 

[delpiero10]

Aussies need to put out an SOS call to Watto ASAP - how does Mitch Marsh continually get picked?!

 

[Bilal7]

Khawaja is the only Aussie batsman to deserve his average. And Mitchell Marsh. He deserves his average too.

 

[TheFlashPoint]

Poor Peter Nevill. Didn't get a chance to bat against West Indies in the first two matches, and 7 not out in the last test.

 

[Hasan123]

Adam Voges average is the biggest joke of them all.

 

[Junaids]

1. DAVID WARNER - average steady at 48.50
- stable, and quite scary.

2. JOE BURNS - average down below 40 now, at 39.68.

3. USMAN KHAWAJA - averaging 43.10
- he had an average of 51.05 just a few Tests ago.

4. STEVE SMITH - averaging 58.06
- like Warner, remains stable and scary.

5. ADAM VOGES - averaging 64.47, average was 100 just 5 Tests ago!
- the most misleading record of all.
- I'm not sure that they should have kept him and dropped Marsh.

6. MITCHELL MARSH - averaging 23.18
- finally dropped today - which makes the team more unbalanced.

7. PETER NEVILL - averaging 23.10
- Mitch Marsh was dropped for this kind of record: Nevill is skating on awfully thin ice now, and only his 60 not out at the WACA is keeping him in the team.
- has reached 50 only 3 times in 22 Test innings.

 

[anuk]

voges got a perfect ball. did well to edge it imo.

 

[Junaids]

voges got a perfect ball. did well to edge it imo.

Definitely, absolutely.

But Voges is 37 years old. And I just don't believe that batsmen can be consistent in Test cricket outside Asia at that age.

If you look at Misbah and Younis, they both fail in 85% of innings outside Asia. Really good batsmen, but too old for the job.

I think Voges is the same.

 

[Sachin136]

1. DAVID WARNER - average steady at 48.50
- stable, and quite scary.

2. JOE BURNS - average down below 40 now, at 39.68.

3. USMAN KHAWAJA - averaging 43.10
- he had an average of 51.05 just a few Tests ago.

4. STEVE SMITH - averaging 58.06
- like Warner, remains stable and scary.

5. ADAM VOGES - averaging 64.47, average was 100 just 5 Tests ago!
- the most misleading record of all.
- I'm not sure that they should have kept him and dropped Marsh.

6. MITCHELL MARSH - averaging 23.18
- finally dropped today - which makes the team more unbalanced.

7. PETER NEVILL - averaging 23.10
- Mitch Marsh was dropped for this kind of record: Nevill is skating on awfully thin ice now, and only his 60 not out at the WACA is keeping him in the team.
- has reached 50 only 3 times in 22 Test innings.

I doubt Nevill would have been dropped even if he didn't get 60 in the first test. He is a safe keeper and hasn't gotten many chances to show his batting talent (he usually comes in after a collapse or when he has to score fast).

 

[Junaids]

Pakistan tours Australia in 15 weeks, and the Test averages of the host batsmen are looking bad and in freefall.

Here are the grim facts:

1. DAVID WARNER - averaging 48.63
- stable, and quite scary.

2. JOE BURNS - averaging 41.52
- in free fall currently, at the end of the tour of New Zealand his average was 49.29.

3. USMAN KHAWAJA - averaging 44.03
- an even steeper decline, he had an average of 51.05 just a few Tests ago, but seems clueless against spin bowling.

4. STEVE SMITH - averaging 58.55
- like Warner, remains stable and scary.

5. ADAM VOGES - averaging 72.75
- the most misleading record of all.
- he averages 542.00 against the West Indies and 99.00 against New Zealand, thanks to some incredibly placid pitches.
- but he averages just 28.71 against England and 19.66 against Sri Lanka, and passes his 37th birthday before South Africa and Pakistan tour.

6. MITCHELL MARSH - averaging 24.00
- he has passed 50 only twice in 29 Test innings, ironically in his second and last Test matches. He went 15 Test matches in between without reaching 50 in an innings.
- until his 50 in the first innings of his most recent Test, he failed to reach 40 in 21 consecutive Test innings.

7. PETER NEVILL - averaging 20.88
- another stunningly poor Test record.
- he has only scored 2 fifties in 19 Test innings, and in his last 10 Test innings his highest scores are 24 and 32.
- In the other 8 of his last 10 innings he has not even reached a score of 15.

David Warner and Steve Smith are potential series-winners. But the bottom line is that two of Australia's top seven are tail-enders (Marsh and Nevill) while three more (Burns, Khawaja and Voges) are in serious danger of losing their place in the side.

Four months ago, before the tour of Sri Lanka, people on this forum said that I was a fool for thinking that the South African pace attack might finish the careers of half the Aussie batting order before Pakistan even arrived for their Tests.

But look at what has happened:

WARNER: was averaging 48.63, now 48.47. Still a major threat to the opposition.
BURNS: was averaging 41.52 after Sri Lanka, now 37.95, about to be DROPPED
KHAWAJA: was averaging 44.03, now averaging 43.80. Safe for now.
SMITH: was averaging 58.55, now averaging 57.69. Still a major threat to the opposition.
VOGES: was averaging 72.75, now averaging 61.87, about to be DROPPED
M MARSH: was averaging 24.00, fell to 23.18, already DROPPED
NEVILL: was averaging 23.10, now averaging 22.28, about to be DROPPED

 

[samplepiece]

If this were to be the end of Voges career, people would look at his numbers 10 years down the road and wonder why he did not play more.

 

[Junaids]

Does this now look better or worse for Pakistan?

Warner, Smith and Khawaja survive and are as good as ever.

But we have seen the following changes:

Matt Renshaw in for Joe Burns - and he has an off technique.
Peter Handscomb in for Adam Voges - and he has an odd technique.
Nic Maddinson in for Callum Ferguson who replaced Mitch Marsh.
Matthew Wade in for Peter Nevill.

Is this an upgrade?

 

[Haroon786]

Not sure TBH, haven't really seen the new batsmen batting to judge whether it's a better team now than before.

 

[Smudger]

Mammon saab is Smith a 60 avg bstsman now

 

[Gabbar Singh]

The current lot:



Harris 37;
Kwaja 42;
Marnus L 24;
Shaun Marsh 34;
Head 33;
Handscom 39;
Paine 35;