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A MAJORITY of Australian voters believe the country is full and almost half support a partial ban on Muslim immigration, a new survey has revealed.

In a blow for official multiculturalism, it found that just over 50 per cent of voters agree that Australia has changed beyond recognition and “sometimes feels like a foreign country”.

The explosive data from the poll, commissioned by The Australian Population Research Institute, has enormous implications for the main political parties as ordinary Australians cope with massive population growth driven by record migrant intakes.

The nation’s population grew by 384,000 in the year to March 2017, with 60 per cent of that due to net overseas migration.

Melbourne has among the highest growth rates of any city in the Western world — it added nearly one million people over the last decade to reach a population of more than 4.7 million.

Arrivals from Asia dominate annual migration to Victoria, with those born in India and China the top settlers.

The TAPRI survey, to be released on Thursday, was done in July-August and based on a random national sample of 2067 voters from an online panel of 300,000 people run by The Online Research Institute.

It found that 74 per cent thought Australia did not need more people, with big majorities believing that population growth was putting “a lot of pressure” on hospitals, roads, affordable housing and jobs.

Fifty-four per cent wanted a cut to migration, while 55 per cent agreed Australia “was in danger of losing its culture and identity”, and 52 per cent said the country had changed so much that it sometimes felt foreign.

On Muslim immigration, 48 per cent supported a partial ban, a quarter opposed a ban and 27 per cent neither supported or opposed it.

While Coalition and One Nation voters were more likely to voice concerns over migration and cultural diversity, substantial minorities of ALP voters had similar views.

In their report on the data, TAPRI researchers Dr Katharine Betts and Dr Bob Birrell said that the results revealed much higher public concern over such issues, than recent surveys by outfits like the pro-migration Scanlon Foundation.

The authors said the nation’s political and economic elites had relied on the foundation’s consistent reports that most Australians supported their migration and multicultural policies, partly because Australia had been insulated from the economic shocks suffered by some other Western countries.

“(But) Australian voters’ concern about immigration levels and ethnic diversity does not derive from economic adversity,” the TAPRI report said.

“Rather it stems from the increasingly obvious impact of population growth on their quality of life and the rapid change in Australia’s ethnic and religious make-up.”

The authors said that such voter angst could easily be exploited in campaigns by parties like One Nation and Australian Conservatives, but it also offered the Coalition government a lifeline in the face of consistently bad opinion polls.

“The Liberal Party may have little choice but to mount such a campaign because it faces electoral oblivion in 2018 if it does not guard its voter base from challengers from the right,” they said.

“If the Liberals do make such a move, Labor is likely to be a big loser, given that many of its supporters are potentially responsive to such a move.”

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...t/news-story/c79cbc2b4d87e0e48270a5c2425f25bf

Beyond the anti-immigration rhetoric, it's comical to note that Australians think their country is bursting in the seams when the net population barely rivals any two given densely populated Asian cities.
 
Almost everyone thinks their country is 'full' (whatever that means), no matter which country they live in. Not that citizens of whatever country shouldn't have concerns over immigration controls but, whatever. Australia is a particularly weird example given it's a country built on immigration, more than most in fact (and not entirely in the most peaceful way, mind).
 
Read in a thread that there are more kangaroos than humans. If true then the roos must be culled to accommodate more humans.
 
What's with banning Muslims being the 1st step to reducing immigrants?
Here in Melbourne, the number of Asians is just crazy.
I can swear, you'll see more Asians on the street than Australians in the city centre.
I say ban the lame ol' Asians man. They're so annoying. I might sound racist but you'll get what I mean when you come here.
 
It's a hard call to determine whether the Aussis or the Yanks have a large proportion of complete idiots and biggots in their land. They should at least know Muslims wont come and wipe them out, as their ancestors did to the natives.
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What's with banning Muslims being the 1st step to reducing immigrants?
Here in Melbourne, the number of Asians is just crazy.
I can swear, you'll see more Asians on the street than Australians in the city centre.
I say ban the lame ol' Asians man. They're so annoying. I might sound racist but you'll get what I mean when you come here.

You're talking about South Asians ??
 
It's an empty desert with 90% of the population concentrated in the tiny strip of 'fertile' land just off the coast.
 
You're talking about South Asians ??
To Americans (and Australians too?) Asians are those from China, Japan, Korea, Philippines and other parts of East Asia, but not Indians / Pakistanis. Whereas 'Asians' in the UK usually means Indians/Pakistanis/Bangladeshis/Sri Lankans.
 
What's with banning Muslims being the 1st step to reducing immigrants?
Here in Melbourne, the number of Asians is just crazy.
I can swear, you'll see more Asians on the street than Australians in the city centre.
I say ban the lame ol' Asians man. They're so annoying. I might sound racist but you'll get what I mean when you come here.

What if they ban you too and send you home to Pakistan?
 
If you deduct the desert, there is still massive land left to live on. No excuses for not accepting immigration.

They got no excuse, they're a settler colonialist state. i meant that Australia isn't all that.and don't understand the fascination some immigrants have with this poor imitation of America lol.
 
If you deduct the desert, there is still massive land left to live on. No excuses for not accepting immigration.

The desert areas are almost uninhabitable for large scale population.

I grew up in Australia in the 90s and I certainly agree that Australia has changed beyond recognition, for the worst.

In a large part this is due to immigration and over population in our main cities.

House prices have become over inflated due to Chinese taking over the market, Indians are coming in and taking over industries simply by paying their workers a fraction of what older generations would pay their workers.

I don't see the muslim connection though personally, maybe t a cultural level as a lot of muslim communities have popped up that look more like Kabul then Sydney.
 
What's with banning Muslims being the 1st step to reducing immigrants?
Here in Melbourne, the number of Asians is just crazy.
I can swear, you'll see more Asians on the street than Australians in the city centre.
I say ban the lame ol' Asians man. They're so annoying. I might sound racist but you'll get what I mean when you come here.

Yes, you sound racist.

I agree that in Melbourne is flooded with chineses/Vietnamese/HK etc, but I did not find them annoying a bit .
 
They got no excuse, they're a settler colonialist state. i meant that Australia isn't all that.and don't understand the fascination some immigrants have with this poor imitation of America lol.

Better standard of living, public health care, better education, lower crime.... Australia is second on the Human Development Index table behind only Norway.
 
The desert areas are almost uninhabitable for large scale population.

I grew up in Australia in the 90s and I certainly agree that Australia has changed beyond recognition, for the worst.

In a large part this is due to immigration and over population in our main cities.

House prices have become over inflated due to Chinese taking over the market, Indians are coming in and taking over industries simply by paying their workers a fraction of what older generations would pay their workers.

I don
't see the muslim connection though personally, maybe t a cultural level as a lot of muslim communities have popped up that look more like Kabul then Sydney.

Sounds pretty much like Britain post 1960. This might be Australia's Brexit voice yearning to go back to a 'better' and less multicultural age.
 
I'm not the one spreading the use of drugs, doing indecent stuff in public and teaching in the worst way possible.

Its better to keep silent when there is insufficient knowledge about a matter.

I am sure not all muslims/immigrants are drug dealers. You are an example yourself. Many of them are probably decent citizens and many who will come in the future will become decent citizens as well.

It sounds a bit odd to me that you want asien immigration stopped when you yourself isan asian who moved to Australia.
 
I am sure not all muslims/immigrants are drug dealers. You are an example yourself. Many of them are probably decent citizens and many who will come in the future will become decent citizens as well.

It sounds a bit odd to me that you want asien immigration stopped when you yourself isan asian who moved to Australia.

Dude when I say "Asian" I mean South-East Asians like Chinese, Vietnamese, Indonesian, Malaysian etc etc.
 
To stop any immigrant they dont want from entering their country.Every country has that right.

Read about how the aboriginals were treated by the people that are called Australians today.
I am not saying you should let anyone in or take indefinite numbers in, but no country has the right to full stop immigration.
 
They got no excuse, they're a settler colonialist state. i meant that Australia isn't all that.and don't understand the fascination some immigrants have with this poor imitation of America lol.

America is not what it used to be, I live here, and it's not what it made out to be anymore. Other developed countries are far better than this current America.
 
Better standard of living, public health care, better education, lower crime.... Australia is second on the Human Development Index table behind only Norway.

Australia is ranked high mainly cause of two metrics:

Education (due to self funded foreign students, this also generates $20B) and Environment (low emission rate).
Australia is behind in other metrics.

We should also note, HDI improved since they relaxed immigration policies.
 
To stop any immigrant they dont want from entering their country.Every country has that right.

That's up to the laws in the country and the government in power, not what some poll says in a newspaper owned by the Murdoch empire with their own agenda.
 
Read about how the aboriginals were treated by the people that are called Australians today.
I am not saying you should let anyone in or take indefinite numbers in, but no country has the right to full stop immigration.

Thats 200 or 300 year old history.The Australians today are The Australians.

Yes every country has the right to stop immigration if they want.
 
I'm not the one spreading the use of drugs, doing indecent stuff in public and teaching in the worst way possible.

Its better to keep silent when there is insufficient knowledge about a matter.

This post is very important for everyone of us to see that we need to stop being racist to other communities! Do you know how racism works.

Imagine a scenario where a South East Asian, a Phillipino or a Vietnamese living in Australia, posting about Pakistanis on their forum.

I'm not the one spreading the use of drugs, doing grooming of white girls, making gangs, driving taxis, low education and being involved in terrorist activities. It's the Pakistanis. Ban them. (These are the stereotypes of Pakistanis in Europe).

And now imagine a scenario where a white Australian guy is now posting about south East Asians and Pakistanis.....

Ban the south East Asians in my Australia. I'm not the one spreading the use of drugs, doing indecent stuff in public and teaching in the worst way possible. It's the south East Asians. Ban these south East Asians. Also Ban Pakistanis. I'm not the one spreading the use of drugs, doing grooming of white girls, making gangs, driving taxis, low education and being involved in terrorist activities. It's the Pakistanis. Ban them. Ban both of them!!

Hope you get my point. If the immigrants don't step for each other and stop making racist remarks about other communities, then one day you will have no one to support you when your community will be targeted in a racist attack.
 
It's always easy to look at stories like this and immediately think "racist". But the influx of foreigners can cause actual issues too - in Melbourne (as with Dublin, where I am from), they have a massive housing issue. Much of this has surely got to be linked with the number of people living there, and the fact that people are coming in faster than construction can provide new homes for them. In Dublin the consequence is that people simply cannot afford homes and have to move to a different country.
 
This post is very important for everyone of us to see that we need to stop being racist to other communities! Do you know how racism works.

Imagine a scenario where a South East Asian, a Phillipino or a Vietnamese living in Australia, posting about Pakistanis on their forum.

I'm not the one spreading the use of drugs, doing grooming of white girls, making gangs, driving taxis, low education and being involved in terrorist activities. It's the Pakistanis. Ban them. (These are the stereotypes of Pakistanis in Europe).

And now imagine a scenario where a white Australian guy is now posting about south East Asians and Pakistanis.....

Ban the south East Asians in my Australia. I'm not the one spreading the use of drugs, doing indecent stuff in public and teaching in the worst way possible. It's the south East Asians. Ban these south East Asians. Also Ban Pakistanis. I'm not the one spreading the use of drugs, doing grooming of white girls, making gangs, driving taxis, low education and being involved in terrorist activities. It's the Pakistanis. Ban them. Ban both of them!!

Hope you get my point. If the immigrants don't step for each other and stop making racist remarks about other communities, then one day you will have no one to support you when your community will be targeted in a racist attack.

Ok 1st of all, my community is Muslim (or South Asian if you see geographically).

Secondly, I don't see any other immigrant communities (read Asians) stand up for Muslims when we're being banned or restricted in some form or another (burka ban etc etc).

It takes 2 to tango. I can't be expected to care for other communities (again read Asian) when they didn't stand up in our time of need.
 
Ok 1st of all, my community is Muslim (or South Asian if you see geographically).

Secondly, I don't see any other immigrant communities (read Asians) stand up for Muslims when we're being banned or restricted in some form or another (burka ban etc etc).

It takes 2 to tango. I can't be expected to care for other communities (again read Asian) when they didn't stand up in our time of need.

So at worst, ignore these other communities. Why are you calling for their ban?
 
Ok 1st of all, my community is Muslim (or South Asian if you see geographically).

Secondly, I don't see any other immigrant communities (read Asians) stand up for Muslims when we're being banned or restricted in some form or another (burka ban etc etc).

It takes 2 to tango. I can't be expected to care for other communities (again read Asian) when they didn't stand up in our time of need.

I have nothing more to say. If you don't even understand the basics of racism, then be ready for a Chinese Aussie or a black Aussie to bully you with racism.
 
I have nothing more to say. If you don't even understand the basics of racism, then be ready for a Chinese Aussie or a black Aussie to bully you with racism.

So at worst, ignore these other communities. Why are you calling for their ban?



You never understood what I said.

I don't go around being racist towards Asians or blacks. Also, I do have a couple of Asian friends.

What I meant was that if anyone of them would support a Muslim ban or be indifferent to it then I'll oppose them, IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE.
 
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You never understood what I said.

I don't go around being racist towards Asians or blacks. Also, I do have a couple of Asian friends.

What I meant was that if anyone of them would support a Muslim ban or be indifferent to it then I'll oppose them, IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE.

Just read your original post again. I am assuming you are a young kid.

Here in Melbourne, the number of Asians is just crazy.
I can swear, you'll see more Asians on the street than Australians in the city centre.
I say ban the lame ol' Asians man. They're so annoying. I might sound racist but you'll get what I mean when you come here.
 
Just read your original post again. I am assuming you are a young kid.

I'm an adult, legally.

Hmm..........maybe I was just a bit angry back then.

Then again, too much of anything is still annoying (referring to my previous post).
 
They should deport half million people back to World’s biggest democracy to make space for Muslim brothers and sisters.
 
It's a hard call to determine whether the Aussis or the Yanks have a large proportion of complete idiots and biggots in their land. They should at least know Muslims wont come and wipe them out, as their ancestors did to the natives.
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Saudis takes the cake in that regard.
 
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Multiculturalism at a fast pace has failed,it has to be done gradually over the years.
 
Well India is a multicultural country, i guess you suppose breaking it up?

Its always better to see how long India fought among its cultures before it somehow got unified,almost 2000 years,hence the word "pace".
 
If Australia is full why don't they ban all immigrants?

As always there are 2 sides of the coins, a lot want to change immigrant policies while others think its ok and we have a responsibility to take in migrants.

There is also the governmental and business side of things, more population means increasing demand for housing, meaning more money for banks who will hand out loans and more money for government in terms of taxes and levies.

If population stagnates then Australia will struggle to compete on the international level, however for us locals its hard to understand as we only see at a local level how things are effecting us and how life is becoming tougher compared to the heaven Australia was in the 80s and 90s.
 
And in terms of the article i don't think Australians dislike your average moderate muslim who is able to assimilate well into the Australian culture while still practicing their religion.

The issue they have is with the large portion who create their own ghettos, don't interact with the rest of the population and bring the issues they have from their original countries to the new ones.

For example issues of sectarian violence, womens rights and a ridiculous attitude that their way of doing things is better then other cultures and religions therefore they are better then others.

The wearing of ancient garments with beards and covering of the whole face just instigates this further.

Its like if white people decided to settle in Lahore and walked around in bikinis and short shorts all day while drinking bear on the streets and acting like the locals are inferior to them. I am sure the locals in Lahore would feel the same way that Aussies do about some muslim immigrants too.
 
And in terms of the article i don't think Australians dislike your average moderate muslim who is able to assimilate well into the Australian culture while still practicing their religion.

The issue they have is with the large portion who create their own ghettos, don't interact with the rest of the population and bring the issues they have from their original countries to the new ones.

For example issues of sectarian violence, womens rights and a ridiculous attitude that their way of doing things is better then other cultures and religions therefore they are better then others.

The wearing of ancient garments with beards and covering of the whole face just instigates this further.

Its like if white people decided to settle in Lahore and walked around in bikinis and short shorts all day while drinking bear on the streets and acting like the locals are inferior to them. I am sure the locals in Lahore would feel the same way that Aussies do about some muslim immigrants too.

Yeah I'm sure the aboriginals feel that way about European settlers in Australia. You come off as a white wannabe trying to justify white supremacy. Australia's failure tp integrate immigrants is their govts fault, something tells me that all this is deliberate so Australia can brag about their own immigration and multiculturalism problema so they can be like the other big boys but no matter how hard they try Australia will never be on the level of America or even Canada so they need to stop trying to be relevant and creating artificial problems.
 
I feel all there concerns are valid other than imposing a Muslim ban because why single out just Muslims?

I’m sure there are immigrants coming from all over the world not just Muslim countries. It’s not as if Muslims are the sole set of immigrants that are changing their national identity or putting pressure on the national services.

So if people want to put a ban on immigration than they’re well within their rights to do so but they shouldn’t just restrict this to Muslim immigrants because it’s not as if Muslims are going around changing Australia for the worst.
 
It's ironic these white "Australians" saying their country is full :))

lol..true..everytime an aussie opens their mouth and moans about immigration I burst out laughing...I think the aboriginal people need to demand immigrants leave their land so they can live in peace.
 
And in terms of the article i don't think Australians dislike your average moderate muslim who is able to assimilate well into the Australian culture while still practicing their religion.

The issue they have is with the large portion who create their own ghettos, don't interact with the rest of the population and bring the issues they have from their original countries to the new ones.

For example issues of sectarian violence, womens rights and a ridiculous attitude that their way of doing things is better then other cultures and religions therefore they are better then others.

The wearing of ancient garments with beards and covering of the whole face just instigates this further.

Its like if white people decided to settle in Lahore and walked around in bikinis and short shorts all day while drinking bear on the streets and acting like the locals are inferior to them. I am sure the locals in Lahore would feel the same way that Aussies do about some muslim immigrants too.

so what is it about Muslims that white immigrant aussies hate?

personally I think they should suck it up. Nobody asked them to travel a billion miles to this land and colonise it..chup kur kay arram say bhaitho!
 
These sort of results will help the political parties shape their policies, there are votes to be won by appealing to the masses.
 
Yeah I'm sure the aboriginals feel that way about European settlers in Australia. You come off as a white wannabe trying to justify white supremacy. Australia's failure tp integrate immigrants is their govts fault, something tells me that all this is deliberate so Australia can brag about their own immigration and multiculturalism problema so they can be like the other big boys but no matter how hard they try Australia will never be on the level of America or even Canada so they need to stop trying to be relevant and creating artificial problems.

The problem with Aboriginals stems from 200 years ago and is pretty much irrelevant to this article as it is its own issue which would need.a whole other post to delve into.

I am not sure why I come off as white supremacist to you when I am very very brown haha.

Ofcourse its partly the governments fault however I do believe that blaming others for your problems gets you no where and instead the change needs to happen from within rather then waiting for an external source to change things.

For example I grew up in a culture where whites are bad and only Pakistanis are good, or only muslims are good.

Now I could have continued with this mindset and blamed the whites or the government or the west for everything but I chose to make the changed from within. This helped me tremendously in my self development and today I am a much better person for it.

I have no hate in my heart for anyone and see everything from an objective perspective rather then subjective. I subscribe to truth before anything in this world.

Your assessment on Australias immigration policy comes across as extremely misinformed and more of an opinion based on ego rather then an objective rational argument.

And personally, I am not sure what you mean by trying to be one of the big boys. Australian society is far better off then their American counterparts.

Not only socially but also at an economic level and sustainability level. We constantly are in the top 10 as the best cities to live in in the world. We have far less homeless and poor people.

Our middle class is huge and there is not the irrational discrepancy of resources between rich and poor that America has.
 
You are correct, the reasoning is sound but the singling out of muslims is not.

I think it stems from the media bombarding local public with misinformation about muslims, plus minority of muslims coming to Australia and creating a bad name for the rest of the community which further instills these racist ideas.

It must be noted that most of those that have these extreme views of muslims are not based around major suburban and metropolitan cities but rather in rural areas and smaller cities.
 
so what is it about Muslims that white immigrant aussies hate?

personally I think they should suck it up. Nobody asked them to travel a billion miles to this land and colonise it..chup kur kay arram say bhaitho!

Please see my above post
 
Beyond the anti-immigration rhetoric, it's comical to note that Australians think their country is bursting in the seams when the net population barely rivals any two given densely populated Asian cities.

I had read somewhere that even Mumbai has a bigger population than Australia.
 
And in terms of the article i don't think Australians dislike your average moderate muslim who is able to assimilate well into the Australian culture while still practicing their religion.

The issue they have is with the large portion who create their own ghettos, don't interact with the rest of the population and bring the issues they have from their original countries to the new ones.

For example issues of sectarian violence, womens rights and a ridiculous attitude that their way of doing things is better then other cultures and religions therefore they are better then others.

The wearing of ancient garments with beards and covering of the whole face just instigates this further.

Its like if white people decided to settle in Lahore and walked around in bikinis and short shorts all day while drinking bear on the streets and acting like the locals are inferior to them. I am sure the locals in Lahore would feel the same way that Aussies do about some muslim immigrants too.

I'm not having a go at you here but in general i really hate this argument

Pakistan is not secular, it's in the name Islamic Republic, now how well that is being carried out is seperate debate, but we dont attest to be something we arent.

The Burka issue itself is very overblown, a small percentage of a small minority wear it, yes it is confronting for those not used to it but its negligable issue peddled by the like of Pauline and Christensen to get more votes.


The whole point of Multiculturalism is that you bring your culture with you

When people talk about assilimation they dont realise that what they are refering to is the French model which in theory is " anyone can be French but you must be French."
 
I'm not having a go at you here but in general i really hate this argument

Pakistan is not secular, it's in the name Islamic Republic, now how well that is being carried out is seperate debate, but we dont attest to be something we arent.

The Burka issue itself is very overblown, a small percentage of a small minority wear it, yes it is confronting for those not used to it but its negligable issue peddled by the like of Pauline and Christensen to get more votes.


The whole point of Multiculturalism is that you bring your culture with you

When people talk about assilimation they dont realise that what they are refering to is the French model which in theory is " anyone can be French but you must be French."

It's a fair argument..
no one should hide behind nomenclature.
 
I'm not having a go at you here but in general i really hate this argument

Pakistan is not secular, it's in the name Islamic Republic, now how well that is being carried out is seperate debate, but we dont attest to be something we arent.

The Burka issue itself is very overblown, a small percentage of a small minority wear it, yes it is confronting for those not used to it but its negligable issue peddled by the like of Pauline and Christensen to get more votes.


The whole point of Multiculturalism is that you bring your culture with you

When people talk about assilimation they dont realise that what they are refering to is the French model which in theory is " anyone can be French but you must be French."

No the actual point is you come and adopt other cultures not just bring your own culture. Muslims don't indulge in other cultures and become truly multicultural they maintain their own culture and reject other cultures.
 
No the actual point is you come and adopt other cultures not just bring your own culture. Muslims don't indulge in other cultures and become truly multicultural they maintain their own culture and reject other cultures.

Yeah I thought that would be self evident, however dont you see the irony of your generalisation ?

Do you honestly think the levels of intergration on average between gulf Arab Australian and Turkish Australians or Bosnians are the same?

The other issue is everyone has different standards of assimilation. To some I'm never Australian enough because I dont drink.

To others I'm a traitor Uncle Tom because I take issue with Idenity Poltics and moving Australia Day.

These issues are so damn subjective that its impossible to find a broadly accepted common ground.
 
It's a fair argument..
no one should hide behind nomenclature.

So what we are meant to ignore state constitutions? They exist for a reason. That entire argument is a false equivalency. If Pakistan was Turkey or pre Zia then I'd agree with you.

This isn't to excuse the increase of ghetto's or identity politics but its important that these distinctions are made.
 
Yeah I thought that would be self evident, however dont you see the irony of your generalisation ?

Do you honestly think the levels of intergration on average between gulf Arab Australian and Turkish Australians or Bosnians are the same?

The other issue is everyone has different standards of assimilation. To some I'm never Australian enough because I dont drink.

To others I'm a traitor Uncle Tom because I take issue with Idenity Poltics and moving Australia Day.

These issues are so damn subjective that its impossible to find a broadly accepted common ground.

I'm Australian and I don't drink (I will have the odd stubbie to be sociable), in fact most of my family don't drink and many of my friends don't drink.

I work and socialise with people from all around the world and have no problem with any one. I go to Kiwi hungi's, have Vietnamese friends, close family friends with Thai's, best mate is Hungarian. We all meet and have dinners and BBQ's and go to sporting events. Muslims don't want to mix with people that drink and eat non halal food, they just don't want to mix with other cultures. They want to be in multicultural societies but not be multicultural.
 
I'm Australian and I don't drink (I will have the odd stubbie to be sociable), in fact most of my family don't drink and many of my friends don't drink.

I work and socialise with people from all around the world and have no problem with any one. I go to Kiwi hungi's, have Vietnamese friends, close family friends with Thai's, best mate is Hungarian. We all meet and have dinners and BBQ's and go to sporting events. Muslims don't want to mix with people that drink and eat non halal food, they just don't want to mix with other cultures. They want to be in multicultural societies but not be multicultural.
Idk about Australia but over here lots of Muslims eat non halal barring pork and many do in fact drink, although most of us don't. My roommates are white and drink and I've been to been frat parties with other Muslims that do drink, although I choose not too. You're really generalizing Muslims and it's kinda weird how Australia has issues with Lebanese people whereas in America they're well respected as a community, perhaps the problem lies with the Australian society.
 
Idk about Australia but over here lots of Muslims eat non halal barring pork and many do in fact drink, although most of us don't. My roommates are white and drink and I've been to been frat parties with other Muslims that do drink, although I choose not too. You're really generalizing Muslims and it's kinda weird how Australia has issues with Lebanese people whereas in America they're well respected as a community, perhaps the problem lies with the Australian society.

People from all over the world including Asia come and settle in Australia with no problem because they intergrate well and become part of the community.
 
I'm Australian and I don't drink (I will have the odd stubbie to be sociable), in fact most of my family don't drink and many of my friends don't drink.

I work and socialise with people from all around the world and have no problem with any one. I go to Kiwi hungi's, have Vietnamese friends, close family friends with Thai's, best mate is Hungarian. We all meet and have dinners and BBQ's and go to sporting events. Muslims don't want to mix with people that drink and eat non halal food, they just don't want to mix with other cultures. They want to be in multicultural societies but not be multicultural.

how can you be abitratior of all muslim in Australia.

I work in firm with 2 other muslims, none of us drink but we attend the firm events, we go to dinners where people are eating pork. I may not stay as long as other's especially where drinking is occuring but that doesnt mean im not participating.

I know other muslims in my field who drink, and eat pretty much anything only really abstaining during Ramadan.

There are some others who are more religious who obviously dont attend at all, but you cant generalise as broadly as you are.
 
how can you be abitratior of all muslim in Australia.

I work in firm with 2 other muslims, none of us drink but we attend the firm events, we go to dinners where people are eating pork. I may not stay as long as other's especially where drinking is occuring but that doesnt mean im not participating.

I know other muslims in my field who drink, and eat pretty much anything only really abstaining during Ramadan.

There are some others who are more religious who obviously dont attend at all, but you cant generalise as broadly as you are.

That's another common trait from muslims and in particular Pakistanis, they generalise and complain that others generalise. Its fine for posters on this forum to call Australians racist and call them convicts but lose their rag when anyone generalises muslims.
 
No the actual point is you come and adopt other cultures not just bring your own culture. Muslims don't indulge in other cultures and become truly multicultural they maintain their own culture and reject other cultures.

Define the your culture youd like immigrants to adopt?
 
Define it. It could mean anything.

It is not something you could put in a post, it would be pages and pages, I will give you some examples though.

In Australian culture your religion is something that is personal, Australian law overrides anything religious. Just recently in Australia on two occasions I know about muslims have refused to stand for judges in court stating that they only stand for Allah.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/3536242...r-judge-charged-with-disrespectful-behaviour/


Muslim leader blames women for sex attacks
Richard Kerbaj
TheAustralian

THE nation's most senior Muslim cleric has blamed immodestly dressed women who don't wear Islamic headdress for being preyed on by men and likened them to abandoned "meat" that attracts voracious animals.

In a Ramadan sermon that has outraged Muslim women leaders, Sydney-based Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali also alluded to the infamous Sydney gang rapes, suggesting the attackers were not entirely to blame.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...s/news-story/d8b6a183c6a976752cb07be532543afd

Like I said I could go on for ages but that is a separate discussion.
 
It is not something you could put in a post, it would be pages and pages, I will give you some examples though.

In Australian culture your religion is something that is personal, Australian law overrides anything religious. Just recently in Australia on two occasions I know about muslims have refused to stand for judges in court stating that they only stand for Allah.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/3536242...r-judge-charged-with-disrespectful-behaviour/




Like I said I could go on for ages but that is a separate discussion.

The truth is you have no clue.

So please dont expect immigrants to follow your culture, when you yourself dont know what it is.
 
The truth is you have no clue.

So please dont expect immigrants to follow your culture, when you yourself dont know what it is.

OK so I'm not an expert on Australian culture like you are, perhaps you could tell us why 48% of Australians support a partial ban on Muslims.
 
OK so I'm not an expert on Australian culture like you are, perhaps you could tell us why 48% of Australians support a partial ban on Muslims.

Simple, because they are ignorant and xenophobic idiots.

So you have to be an expert now to define what Australian culture is? lol
 
Let me guess, because you are muslim you can make these judgements.

Its basic logic. Anyone who wants to ban a person who is of a particular religion or race is either racist or xenophobic.

You should be ashamed so many people in your country are like this.
 
Its basic logic. Anyone who wants to ban a person who is of a particular religion or race is either racist or xenophobic.

Yes that is basic logic for someone with a small brain, others though are capable of more complex logic.

You should be ashamed so many people in your country are like this.

No not at all, they are only responding to the issues that are present in their lives.
 
Yes that is basic logic for someone with a small brain, others though are capable of more complex logic.



No not at all, they are only responding to the issues that are present in their lives.

I'm wondering if there are some better examples of these issues because two people refusing to stand up for a judge doesn't seem representative of a fairly large group of people. And while the statement from the (former) senior cleric is alarming, it's from 11 years ago I believe.
 
Yes that is basic logic for someone with a small brain, others though are capable of more complex logic.



No not at all, they are only responding to the issues that are present in their lives.

lol. What logic? You have showing nothing so far.

The Australian government felt the need to invade and help occupy a Muslim nation when no Muslim from this nation ever attacked anyone in Australia. Even so almost all Muslims in Australia are law abiding citizens.
 
I'm wondering if there are some better examples of these issues because two people refusing to stand up for a judge doesn't seem representative of a fairly large group of people. And while the statement from the (former) senior cleric is alarming, it's from 11 years ago I believe.

There are plenty more examples, like the 15yo muslim (suppported by at least four others from his mosque) boy who shot a police accountant in the head and then there is the cleric that supported the killing of homosexuals.
 
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