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Babar Azam is clearly not a Twenty20 player!

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Railu Katta

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This guy bats at 3 and kills all momentum. Regardless of the match situation, he starts the same way and bats selfishly tuktukking at 60-70 or max 100.

He has zero hitting ability and he should just stick to ODIs but being Mickey's favourite he continues to play at 3 in Karachi and Pakistan :babar
 
He has a use in the Pakistan team - needs to open and anchor the innings to prevent us collapsing.
 
13.1 6
Imran Tahir to Babar Azam, SIX runs, looped up on off, slightly flattish but Babar skips down the track and launches it over long-on. Clean six

:babar Now after warm up, he will attack!
 
He's the least of our problems. We just need good hitters around him
 
The pitches were bowling friendly in the early matches. He played a very good knock today, he's improving and getting his confidence back, hope to see some more good batting by him in the upcoming matches.
 
I think he's living off that MOS in the World XI series.
 
He can be used in the way Dravid used Rahane in IPL - Hold one end up and score at about 120 SR for 8-10 overs and then hit out/get out.
 
Railu Katta said:
This guy bats at 3 and kills all momentum. Regardless of the match situation, he starts the same way and bats selfishly tuktukking at 60-70 or max 100.

He has zero hitting ability and he should just stick to ODIs but being Mickey's favourite he continues to play at 3 in Karachi and Pakistan :babar
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Yet to see a positive post from you about anybody. :shadab
 
Recently Babar played some exceptional T20 innings in NZ and than this thread. :tahir2
 
Titan24 said:
Recently Babar played some exceptional T20 innings in NZ and than this thread. :tahir2
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Yea t20s?? That is after 5 failure in ODIs that you forget, which he then compensated for by his t20 knocks.. and that made him eligible to play in our all 3 formats for Pakistan
 
Please suggest his alternatives. Too much criticism for someone who with all of his weaknesses is still your best batsman.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Please suggest his alternatives. Too much criticism for someone who with all of his weaknesses is still your best batsman.
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Maybe try benching him for a few games, I don't like free passes to consistent failures. HIs time for Test Matches is up. Is he our best batsman in all 3 formats? No!

He might be our best in ODIs on par with Hafeez (in the past year both have averaged in their 50s with Hafeez a little higher than Babar)

In t20s its without a doubt Malik

In Tests its Azhar.

Is he still our best batsman?
 
I want him to open in T20s but if he takes a bit of time to rotate it might affect Fakhar. 1 down is the best place for him. But there's got to be another dasher along with Fakhar and one at 4.
 
Titan24 said:
Yet to see a positive post from you about anybody. :shadab
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There is no positive in Pakistan cricket. Pakistan cricket is dead and ESL proves it. We have no talent, we can only fluke.....:)) On a serious note, I am glad we have Fahim, Shadab, Hassan, Hussain and a few other players. I like Babar but he shouldn't be playing T20s.

The_Odd_One said:
Please suggest his alternatives. Too much criticism for someone who with all of his weaknesses is still your best batsman.
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Talat at 3.

rhony said:
I want him to open in T20s but if he takes a bit of time to rotate it might affect Fakhar. 1 down is the best place for him. But there's got to be another dasher along with Fakhar and one at 4.
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Oh bhai maaf kar de. He kills the momentum and will tuktuk opening and at 3. We should replace him with Talat.
 
I get that Babar Azam isn't exactly a great T20 batsman and needs to improve his hitting ability but some who is "clearly not a T20 batsman" doesn't get ranked number 1 in T20Is. His ranking is indeed misleading and he is honestly not even among the top 10 T20 bats around but it's harsh to say he isn't a T20 batsman.

It's not that Babar doesn't have the capability it's just that Babar cannot do it alone, he doesn't have the mindset to be able to play a lone warrior sort of innings or be able to lead the charge. So far from what I have seen of his career Babar will not be the hero of the match, he'll be the sidekick many times but never the hero. Remove his contributions and you fail but 9 times out of 10 he will be overshadowed. In the CT final and 2nd T20 of NZ series the hero was Fakhar with Babar being his trusty sidekick. In Australia the hero was Sharjeel with Babar as his support. He may seem like the hero on occasion but that will either be against weaker attacks where Babar already has the confidence to take them on or when someone helped him get going. That's not to say that he'll never have a good stand alone innings, everyone has good days and he may improve in the future but as of now he is the second fiddle, when the hero saves the day he'll pat Babar on the head and say "Thanks kid I couldn't have done it without you". We all want Babar to become the guy who stares down Starc and Rabada and then plays an innings to remember but right now he is not that guy so let's appreciate him for what he is.
 
I'm not going to compare Babar with Mushfiq Rahim here but my doubt is can Babar ever play an innings like Mush. Rahim's game yesterday? Can Babar ever take him team to a winning position by chasing totals alone? Only Time has the answer!
 
I believe that he is ok when he has a big-hitter around him who is scoring at a strike-rate of 150plus like Denly did the other day, but if you want him to chase down a big score or set a big target, then this guy is incapable of that.
 
I wouldn't say he isn't a T20 player - he looked really good at the start during the fielding restrictions, and even in the middle when they were just looking for singles

His strength is timing the ball, not getting underneath it - maybe opening is a better position for him
 
I don't have any issue with his batting ability, he's not a big hitter, but he is technically a very good batsman by Pakistani standards. For me his biggest drawback is his selfish streak, he often slows down when he's approaching milestones regardless of what the team requires. I've seen him do this in ODIs a lot.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I don't have any issue with his batting ability, he's not a big hitter, but he is technically a very good batsman by Pakistani standards. For me his biggest drawback is his selfish streak, he often slows down when he's approaching milestones regardless of what the team requires. I've seen him do this in ODIs a lot.
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Every Asian batsman has that problem. Have you seen the Indian Top 3 killing the momentum when they were reaching 100 in the recent SA series?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I don't have any issue with his batting ability, he's not a big hitter, but he is technically a very good batsman by Pakistani standards. For me his biggest drawback is his selfish streak, he often slows down when he's approaching milestones regardless of what the team requires. I've seen him do this in ODIs a lot.
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It’s the opposite... [MENTION=136079]ahmedwaqas92[/MENTION] did a study on it.
 
Three fifties in the last four innings :babar he's doing his job, he's an anchor not a slogger, other batsmen are responsible for slogging and scoring quickly.
 
babajee said:
It’s the opposite... [MENTION=136079]ahmedwaqas92[/MENTION] did a study on it.
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NO - it's exactly what it is. You can't look into batting just by straight numbers & SR - any batsman will improve on SR gradually with his stay at the wicket. You have to look at the SR in terms of relativity - open that thread, I posted a counter analysis on Babar's longer innings with correlation to other factors.

He has a tendency to play for personal milestone - which is clearly evident there.
 
Saying this for the nth time, a firm bottom hand grip is all that's stopping him opening up. The bat is consistently losing shape at contact thus losing power. He ends up hitting with half a bat.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Saying this for the nth time, a firm bottom hand grip is all that's stopping him opening up. The bat is consistently losing shape at contact thus losing power. He ends up hitting with half a bat.
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How long do you think it'll take to fully fix this issue
 
we know... or i know

if you want to play him
he needs to be an opener
him coming in at 3 just sucks the life out the inning especially if a large score is up
 
All that he needs to do is improve his power game. It can take years to do that but he has no glaring problems with technique or shot selection.
 
Babar Azam should not bat in first 6 overs and last 4 overs in T20

Babar Azam has a very good average for T20 but he lacks the power game. So I would suggest to not let him bat in first 6 overs and the last 4 overs where the power game is needed. Overs 7 to 16 should be his domain. :babar
 
Bobs is going to play at #3 as long as MA is around. Make of it what you will.
 
Babar needs to gain few pounds (very easy to do) and build some muscles and he will be as good as they come. Not sure wth the management is doing, it has been years and he looks as skinny as ever.
 
Darkrai said:
Babar needs to gain few pounds (very easy to do) and build some muscles and he will be as good as they come. Not sure wth the management is doing, it has been years and he looks as skinny as ever.
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Just look at Junaid. He has been part of the team for years but still has twigs for legs. On the one hand we have players who are not getting enough nutrition and on the other we have players becoming fat from water. Need to find a balance.
 
DeadBall said:
Just look at Junaid. He has been part of the team for years but still has twigs for legs. On the one hand we have players who are not getting enough nutrition and on the other we have players becoming fat from water. Need to find a balance.
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Who is that player?
 
DeadBall said:
I would have asked if you are new here but actually you are new here.

The player is Umar Akmal

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-weight-even-if-I-drink-water-quot-Umar-Akmal
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It's really annoying because even actors gain and lose ton of weight or get buffed to fit their character (Christian bale lost 60 pounds for one of his roles). That's insanely difficult to do, and it's only for a role in a movie. Why can't players, who are athletes, do the same. The couch and their trainer should realize that Babar needs to be put on the right diet and given the right workout plan. These players remain the same no improvement what so ever. It's very unprofessional from players and the management. They are expecting things to improve magically without putting in the work. Instead we got players like Sarfraz(the leader) and Imad who are becoming more unfit.
 
Rayyman said:
KK 27-1 and Babar has 27 off 18.
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He is MUCH, more capable than what he operates normally - but, that'll cost his 50+ average in shorter format. Looking at Azhar Ali, you can hardly recognize if the guy is on 2, 20 or 200; because he has very few gears. Babar can accelerate exponentially after reaching a milestone.
 
Babar Azam's T20 team will most likely lose if he gets to bat in first 6 overs or last 4 overs. He is good in the middle overs.
 
His SR should be the same or better than the required rate.
 
srh said:
Babar Azam's T20 team will most likely lose if he gets to bat in first 6 overs or last 4 overs. He is good in the middle overs.
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He made 33 runs off 21 balls in the powerplay today.

The other batsmen made 2 runs in the powerplay.
 
He scored a 50 today but in the context of the match that was a pretty ordinary innings.
 
He knew the target was beyond him. He should have given his wicket away. Play for the team.

Karachi had a chance - but they never could take it.
 
Should concentrate and replicate this 130-140 SR in ODIs. Not a T20 player. Wasted first 8 balls thats almost 1.2 overs. Thats a crime in chasing such a total.
 
Worrying thing is his match awareness and being too self centered ( let put it straight = selfish )knock .He is to blame for leaving it too late , if this guy is going to be future backbone of my country , then I am really worried.
 
This is Babar's best effort which is a tragedy. The best we have seen in the PSL's are 39 ball 94's, and 27 ball 77's. Babar is way off that mark. This lad plays Internationals for us, then why not bring Kamran Akmal back if his best can only be as good as 44 ball 66 which in these days is just average for a t20 batsman. Then don't talk about his rankings in t20s please.... He is overrrated beyond imagination
 
waleed88 said:
This is Babar's best effort which is a tragedy. The best we have seen in the PSL's are 39 ball 94's, and 27 ball 77's. Babar is way off that mark. This lad plays Internationals for us, then why not bring Kamran Akmal back if his best can only be as good as 44 ball 66 which in these days is just average for a t20 batsman. Then don't talk about his rankings in t20s please.... He is overrrated beyond imagination
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Don't worry you will soon replace him in our t20 squad.
 
Abdullah719 said:
He made 33 runs off 21 balls in the powerplay today.

The other batsmen made 2 runs in the powerplay.
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Unfair to be blaming Mukhtar for this, guy never got selected until you select him for the important semis... Usually most youngsters took 5-6 games to truely sure what they are capable of. Babar has a knack of selfish 50s in t20s and selfish 100s in ODIs... this just takes me back to his 100 vs Australia in the 5th ODi for some reason.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Please name any new talent in Pakistan who even comes close to Babar in limited overs?
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He is a good player for 50 over match. That's about it. The modern game has evolved so much further given the standards of IPL, BBL, etc. He just ain't cut for the T20 format.
 
waleed88 said:
Unfair to be blaming Mukhtar for this, guy never got selected until you select him for the important semis... Usually most youngsters took 5-6 games to truely sure what they are capable of. Babar has a knack of selfish 50s in t20s and selfish 100s in ODIs... this just takes me back to his 100 vs Australia in the 5th ODi for some reason.
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Bhai sahab my post is about one of the previous games.
 
Unfair to say that Babar is not a T20 player, he did play at a SR of 140, which normally would win a team matches. This target in 16 overs was excessive, was equivalent to 210-220 if they played the full 20 overs. KKs bowlers lost them the match.

He is the perfect player for the Pakistan national team. If he bats with a SR of 135-145, and the rest bat around him. Perfect with our bowling lineup.

In saying that, this type of batting won't work at the domestic level because he is counted as one of the gun batsmen.
 
mmkextreme_1 said:
Unfair to say that Babar is not a T20 player, he did play at a SR of 140, which normally would win a team matches. This target in 16 overs was excessive, was equivalent to 210-220 if they played the full 20 overs. KKs bowlers lost them the match.

He is the perfect player for the Pakistan national team. If he bats with a SR of 135-145, and the rest bat around him. Perfect with our bowling lineup.

In saying that, this type of batting won't work at the domestic level because he is counted as one of the gun batsmen.
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he couldn't even clear 60m boundaries...
 
The bat kept on slipping in his hand and he was struggling to middle the ball.

Seemed weak.
 
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