Babar Azam versus Lokesh Rahul

[geraltofrivia]

The only times I have seen Babar Azam live is against India and there he is getting made a fool of by Kuldeep. And I'm like - what's the hype?

 

[KingT]

pakistanis like to hype babar as a great batsman, atg in the making, greatest among his contemporaries.

here are some stats of him and contemporaries:

babar azam - 2 100s at 37.05

let's see who else within 2 years of his age (either side so 23-27) have comparable or superior records:

aiden markram - 4 100s at 40
quinton dekock - 5 100s at 38.11
tom latham - 11 100s at 44.02
kusal mendis - 6 100s at 36.23
kl rahul - 5 100s at 34.6

so there are guys with similar records in the same age group, some even superior but no one hypes them as much as pakistanis do because they are starving for a good batsman.

also check out

rishabh pant - 44.35 with 2 100s

Why don't you mention the number of matches each of these players have played??

Latham, De Kock, Kusal Mendis have all played more than 40 test matches. But currently I'd rate Latham as a better batsman than Babar in Test Cricket.

Babar has only played 23 matches.

I've explained why Rahul hasn't performed "better" in my last point

Tell me the performances of these players in ODIs or T20is.
Where's Latham in ODIs?
Where's Mendis in ODIs?
Where's Rahul in ODIs?
Where's Markram in ODIs?
Babar is at no.3 in ODIs
Babar is hyped because he is performing in all three formats and his test average will just keep on increasing.

You are really embarrassing yourself right now if I'm honest. The fact that you didn't mention the number of matches the players you mentioned have played has really hurt your credibility.

 

[KingT]

The only times I have seen Babar Azam live is against India and there he is getting made a fool of by Kuldeep. And I'm like - what's the hype?

Is performing against India the benchmark now? )
If that is the case then you made Nasir Jamshed must be Brian Lara 2.0

 

[geraltofrivia]

Why don't you mention how many matches each of these players have played??

Latham, De Kock, Kusal Mendis have all played more than 40 test matches. But currently I'd rate Latham as a better batsman than Babar in Test Cricket.

Babar has only played 23 matches.

I've explained why Rahul hasn't performed "better" in my last point

Tell me the performances of these players in ODIs or T20is.
Where's Latham in ODIs?
Where's Mendis in ODIs?
Where's Rahul in ODIs?
Where's Markram in ODIs?
Babar is at no.3 in ODIs
Babar is hyped because he is performing in all three formats and his test average will just keep on increasing.

You are really embarrassing yourself right now if I'm honest. The fact that you didn't mention the number of matches the players you mentioned have played has really hurt your credibility.

number of matches is no excuse. your record is your record. your logic that it will keep on improving (like it did for jamshed, sharzeel, fakhar, amir, hasan, junaid, wahab et al) is a flawed one. prithvi shaw averages over 100 in test cricket. does that mean he's the greatest of all time as "HIS MATCHES ARE LOW AND AVERAGE WILL KEEP ON INCREASING"?

 

[geraltofrivia]

Is performing against India the benchmark now? )
If that is the case then you made Nasir Jamshed must be Brian Lara 2.0

Nasir Jamshed had one good series. Then flopped brutally in the future against India post the 12 series (like all Pakistani players in recent memory - Junaid, Amir, Fakhar et al. They get figured out). Considering the arc of recent Pakistani batsmen, Babar seems to be headed the same way.

Let's use a different benchmark - How many away test hundreds in victories?

 

[KingT]

Lol at no 13.

KL Rahul actually entered the top 10. Mayank Agarwal is actually 12 now (higher than Azam).

Your maths is very poor. Because he was averaging 20 2 years ago and now hes 37 doesnt mean he will average 40 after BD tour. This is not an interest rate that it keeps on rising. Using that logic he should average 200 when he is 60 years old. There is no guarantee he will go above 13.

All his test knocks are very soft knocks when match is already lost. He did nothing in Brisbane first innings when you had to get a good score. Only when the match is gone and no pressure he scores runs.

Where do you get all this ignorance from?

Babar scored 60 something against England in our first test against them in 2018 and he retired hurt. This was the joint second highest score in the match. He was the reason we were able to score 300+ and win the match.

In 2016, he scored 90* against NZ in NZ. Even though he came at no.3, he was the last one standing by the end. He would have gotten his hundred if the others around him didn't falter.

So don't give me that "soft innings" crap. You're just embarrassing yourself here.

 

[geraltofrivia]

Where do you get all this ignorance from?

Babar scored 60 something against England in our first test against them in 2018 and he retired hurt. This was the joint second highest score in the match. He was the reason we were able to score 300+ and win the match.

In 2016, he scored 90* against NZ in NZ. Even though he came at no.3, he was the last one standing by the end. He would have gotten his hundred if the others around him didn't falter.

So don't give me that "soft innings" crap. You're just embarrassing yourself here.

The only thing that's embarrassing is 0-14 and Babar making "soft" runs. How many away 100s in victories?

 

[KingT]

number of matches is no excuse. your record is your record. your logic that it will keep on improving (like it did for jamshed, sharzeel, fakhar, amir, hasan, junaid, wahab et al) is a flawed one. prithvi shaw averages over 100 in test cricket. does that mean he's the greatest of all time as "HIS MATCHES ARE LOW AND AVERAGE WILL KEEP ON INCREASING"?

You do realise that you're not making any sense whatsoever.

Babar has been averaging 50 in the last 2 years. His career average is 37. If he averages 50+ for the next two years as well then he'll easily have a career average of 40+. It's simple maths.

So you think Prithvi Shaw will consistently average 100+ for the next 2 years??

What an absurd comparison

 

[KingT]

number of matches is no excuse. your record is your record. your logic that it will keep on improving (like it did for jamshed, sharzeel, fakhar, amir, hasan, junaid, wahab et al) is a flawed one. prithvi shaw averages over 100 in test cricket. does that mean he's the greatest of all time as "HIS MATCHES ARE LOW AND AVERAGE WILL KEEP ON INCREASING"?

My God.

Babar has played HALF the number of matches than the players you mentioned. HALF.
Obviously the number of matches he's played is relevant.

As I've said 2 times before, stop embarrassing yourself. If you have nothing to reply with, then just don't because you're just making it worse for yourself

 

[geraltofrivia]

You do realise that you're not making any sense whatsoever.

Babar has been averaging 50 in the last 2 years. His career average is 37. If he averages 50+ for the next two years as well then he'll easily have a career average of 40+. It's simple maths.

So you think Prithvi Shaw will consistently average 100+ for the next 2 years??

What an absurd comparison

just because babar azam has been averaging 50+ in the last 2 years doesnt mean he will average 50_ in the next 2 years. It's simple logic.

If Babar will average 50+ in the next 2 years because of averaging 50+ in the previous two years, same holds for prithvi. there is no guarantee babar will average 50+ in the next two years. if you choose an arbitrary time period (like 2 years here) a lot of players have good averages.

Ishant Sharma averages 19 with the ball in the last 2 years. Will he average 19 in the next two. If he does then its 19 for 4 years, will it be 19 for the next 4 too?

Rahane average 51.37 with 8 100s in his first 29 matches. using your logic he too should have gone on too average the same, shouldn't he?

I understand emotions regarding Babar as he is the first batsman in a long time who is not crap but his recent record is nothing out of the world.

 

[geraltofrivia]

My God.

Babar has played HALF the number of matches than the players you mentioned. HALF.
Obviously the number of matches he's played is relevant.

As I've said 2 times before, stop embarrassing yourself. If you have nothing to reply with, then just don't because you're just making it worse for yourself

the only one who's embarrassing themselves is you. just because someone has played half the matches does not mean the next half will be better. batting careers are not extrapolated.

 

[geraltofrivia]

Do you just look at the hundreds and call it a day?
Rahul has played 10 more matches than Babar and has only 3 more hundreds.
I'm sure by the end of the Bangldesh tour, Babar will have the same, if not more, hundreds than Rahul.

Of course he's an ATG in the making. He was averaging 20 2 years ago now he's averaging 37. By the end of the BD tour, he'll be closing in on 40.

Just because you're an Indian doesn't mean you let that dilute the facts. Babar is no.13 right now in test cricket and that will only going up and he's the only second player in the world to be in the top 15 for each of the 3 formats (Kohli being the first).

"He's an OK batsman" )

Also this is a lie. I just checked.

Rohit is no 2 in ODIs, 8 in T20Is and was 10th after SA series.

But facts don't matter for Babar fans.

This is a common occurrence I am seeing right now where Babar fans just ignore other players with better records to make him look better.

"He averages 50 over the last two years" - Well so does a heap ton of players.

 

[Waleed93]

Lol at no 13.

KL Rahul actually entered the top 10. Mayank Agarwal is actually 12 now (higher than Azam).

Your maths is very poor. Because he was averaging 20 2 years ago and now hes 37 doesnt mean he will average 40 after BD tour. This is not an interest rate that it keeps on rising. Using that logic he should average 200 when he is 60 years old. There is no guarantee he will go above 13.

All his test knocks are very soft knocks when match is already lost. He did nothing in Brisbane first innings when you had to get a good score. Only when the match is gone and no pressure he scores runs.

This thread was actually a comparison between Babar and Rahul. The fact that you have to use players like Mayank, Pant, etc... just shows that you don't have valid arguments to show Rahul as a superior batsman than Babar.
Yes, Rahul was in the top 10 once upon a time. It doesn't make him a better batsman than Babar.
In fact, if I am not wrong, Rahul is currently ranked 51st in tests.
A lot of PPers had given up on Babar the Test batsman. He was averaging 20 a couple of years ago. Now he is just a good series away from averaging 40. Rahul may be a more dangerous T20 batsman, but rankings across formats simply show Babar as a much superior batsman than him.
You can criticise him for not winning us games, but you have to keep in mind the fact that he is the only world class batsman we have at the moment, and his early dismissial more often than not triggers a collapse. It is similar to Tendulkar's situation in the 90s (not comparing him with SRT).
At the moment, the only aspect where you can put Rahul ahead of Babar is his T20 power hitting, but it is simply not enough to call him a better batsman.

 

[KingT]

just because babar azam has been averaging 50+ in the last 2 years doesnt mean he will average 50_ in the next 2 years. It's simple logic.

If Babar will average 50+ in the next 2 years because of averaging 50+ in the previous two years, same holds for prithvi. there is no guarantee babar will average 50+ in the next two years. if you choose an arbitrary time period (like 2 years here) a lot of players have good averages.

Ishant Sharma averages 19 with the ball in the last 2 years. Will he average 19 in the next two. If he does then its 19 for 4 years, will it be 19 for the next 4 too?

Rahane average 51.37 with 8 100s in his first 29 matches. using your logic he too should have gone on too average the same, shouldn't he?

I understand emotions regarding Babar as he is the first batsman in a long time who is not crap but his recent record is nothing out of the world.

I said "IF"
I'm using the trend of Babar's performances
He needs 280 runs in the next Sri Lanka series to surpass the 40 mark for his career average.
He may or may not do it.

As for you trying to undermine us at the end, younis khan is a Pakistani ATG and he only retired 2 years ago.
Azhar before his downfall had scored a 200 in Aus and a 300 hundred against WI too.
Azhar was one of the top scorers in 2016.

So you saying that Babar is the first batsman in a long time who's not crap is just as an ignorant thing to say as you've said in your other posts

 

[KingT]

Also this is a lie. I just checked.

Rohit is no 2 in ODIs, 8 in T20Is and was 10th after SA series.

But facts don't matter for Babar fans.

This is a common occurrence I am seeing right now where Babar fans just ignore other players with better records to make him look better.

"He averages 50 over the last two years" - Well so does a heap ton of players.

Lol another Indian troll exposed.

Rohit is 16 in the test rankings so he isn't in the top 15 for all three formats is he??

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You really made a fool out of yourself with this one )

 

[topspin]

Isn’t Babar the best T20 batsman in the world by country mile? On what basis is Rahul better than him in T20?

I knew there would be someone who takes what they see in the T20I rankings at face value.

Going by your logic Babar (ranked no.1) > Kohli (ranked no.15) but everyone knows the latter is the bonafide number 1 T20I batsman in the world.

Now if you look at the T20I rankings below, are you also going to tell me that the first 14 names are all superior to Kohli with the bat in the shortest format?

1 Babar Azam
2 Aaron Finch
3 Dawid Malan
4 Colin Munro
5 Glenn Maxwell
6 Hazratullah
7 Evin Lewis
8 Rohit Sharma
9 Lokesh Rahul
10 Eoin Morgan
11 Martin Guptill
12 Reeza Hendricks
13 D'Arcy Short
14 Shikhar Dhawan
15 Virat Kohli

Babar Azam is a fine anchor and T20I batsman. His game has improved significantly this year and I feel his stint at Somerset shows he's enhanced his game, so we should expect more knocks from him of higher impact.

But currently, I would take Rahul's average of 43 at a strike rate of 145 (including 2 x tons) than Babar's average of 50 at a strike of 127. The latter's strike rate shows he doesn't match Rahul in scoring match defining knocks

 

[Shoaib88]

I knew there would be someone who takes what they see in the T20I rankings at face value.

Going by your logic Babar (ranked no.1) > Kohli (ranked no.15) but everyone knows the latter is the bonafide number 1 T20I batsman in the world.

Now if you look at the T20I rankings below, are you also going to tell me that the first 14 names are all superior to Kohli with the bat in the shortest format?

1 Babar Azam
2 Aaron Finch
3 Dawid Malan
4 Colin Munro
5 Glenn Maxwell
6 Hazratullah
7 Evin Lewis
8 Rohit Sharma
9 Lokesh Rahul
10 Eoin Morgan
11 Martin Guptill
12 Reeza Hendricks
13 D'Arcy Short
14 Shikhar Dhawan
15 Virat Kohli

Babar Azam is a fine anchor and T20I batsman. His game has improved significantly this year and I feel his stint at Somerset shows he's enhanced his game, so we should expect more knocks from him of higher impact.

But currently, I would take Rahul's average of 43 at a strike rate of 145 (including 2 x tons) than Babar's average of 50 at a strike of 127. The latter's strike rate shows he doesn't match Rahul in scoring match defining knocks

Going by your logic Kohli (ranked no.1) > Smith (ranked no.2) but everyone knows the latter is the bonafide number 1 Test batsman in the world.

 

[NoBallZombie]

I knew there would be someone who takes what they see in the T20I rankings at face value.

Going by your logic Babar (ranked no.1) > Kohli (ranked no.15) but everyone knows the latter is the bonafide number 1 T20I batsman in the world.

Now if you look at the T20I rankings below, are you also going to tell me that the first 14 names are all superior to Kohli with the bat in the shortest format?

1 Babar Azam
2 Aaron Finch
3 Dawid Malan
4 Colin Munro
5 Glenn Maxwell
6 Hazratullah
7 Evin Lewis
8 Rohit Sharma
9 Lokesh Rahul
10 Eoin Morgan
11 Martin Guptill
12 Reeza Hendricks
13 D'Arcy Short
14 Shikhar Dhawan
15 Virat Kohli

Babar Azam is a fine anchor and T20I batsman. His game has improved significantly this year and I feel his stint at Somerset shows he's enhanced his game, so we should expect more knocks from him of higher impact.

But currently, I would take Rahul's average of 43 at a strike rate of 145 (including 2 x tons) than Babar's average of 50 at a strike of 127. The latter's strike rate shows he doesn't match Rahul in scoring match defining knocks

How can someone ranked 15 be the bonafide number 1 batsman? Rubbish logic. So you are saying rankings are all crap? So what about the number 1 test team ranking? Australia are the bonafide number 1 team then. Babar is rightly the number 1 T20 bat just like kohli is rightly the number 1 odi batter and just like Bumrah is the number 1 odi bowler.


Coming back to the topic, I haven’t seen Rahul but judging by the posts and just checking his career stats, I am not sure why the neighbors are hyping him up. This thread is has bad as umar vs kohli thread. In all the matches this year, every neutral commentator has raved about the class of Azam. Bit sad to see people downplay his achievements by comparing him to an akmal of indian cricket.

 

[Abdullah719]

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[Abdullah719]

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One is on the way up. The other is on the way down. One is also 2.5 years older.

 

[topspin]

Going by your logic Kohli (ranked no.1) > Smith (ranked no.2) but everyone knows the latter is the bonafide number 1 Test batsman in the world.

Exactly

 

[topspin]

How can someone ranked 15 be the bonafide number 1 batsman? Rubbish logic. So you are saying rankings are all crap? So what about the number 1 test team ranking? Australia are the bonafide number 1 team then. Babar is rightly the number 1 T20 bat just like kohli is rightly the number 1 odi batter and just like Bumrah is the number 1 odi bowler.


Coming back to the topic, I haven’t seen Rahul but judging by the posts and just checking his career stats, I am not sure why the neighbors are hyping him up. This thread is has bad as umar vs kohli thread. In all the matches this year, every neutral commentator has raved about the class of Azam. Bit sad to see people downplay his achievements by comparing him to an akmal of indian cricket.

Lol all I can say there is no cure for delusion if you think Babar > Kohli in T20Is.

 

[geraltofrivia]

Lol another Indian troll exposed.

Rohit is 16 in the test rankings so he isn't in the top 15 for all three formats is he??

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You really made a fool out of yourself with this one )

No you are the one who had a fool of yourself as you lack reading comprehension. He was 10th in tests after the SA series so at that point he was in the top 15 in all three formats refuting the outright false lie that Babar is the 2nd person after Kohli to be in the top 15 in all three formats because at that point Rohit was and Babar wasn't.

 

[KingT]

No you are the one who had a fool of yourself as you lack reading comprehension. He was 10th in tests after the SA series so at that point he was in the top 15 in all three formats refuting the outright false lie that Babar is the 2nd person after Kohli to be in the top 15 in all three formats because at that point Rohit was and Babar wasn't.

You really need to brush up on your comprehension skills lol

Obviously I wasn't talking about all time rankings. De Villiers was in the top 15 fo all three formats in his time

I was talking about the current rankings.

Your problem that you don't understand English not mine

 

[jnaveen1980]

Rahul needs to bring his natural game into Test and ODIs

He did and but he kept getting bowled. Rahul has weaknesses. I have seen players with more weaknesses succeeding in Tests. But they are mentally tough. But KL Rahul is not. He is mentally a fragile boy. ALways shows lot of nerves except when he opens the batting in limited-overs.

 

[ak619]

Why don't you mention the number of matches each of these players have played??

Latham, De Kock, Kusal Mendis have all played more than 40 test matches. But currently I'd rate Latham as a better batsman than Babar in Test Cricket.

Babar has only played 23 matches.

I've explained why Rahul hasn't performed "better" in my last point

Tell me the performances of these players in ODIs or T20is.
Where's Latham in ODIs?
Where's Mendis in ODIs?
Where's Rahul in ODIs?
Where's Markram in ODIs?
Babar is at no.3 in ODIs
Babar is hyped because he is performing in all three formats and his test average will just keep on increasing.

You are really embarrassing yourself right now if I'm honest. The fact that you didn't mention the number of matches the players you mentioned have played has really hurt your credibility.

It's funny that on PP when it comes to Babar, he's considered great cause he is "performing in all formats".

But when the same argument is made between Kohli and Smith, suddenly it's "test cricket is the only one that counts. Nobody cares about JAMODIs."

Usually one needs to pay good money to witness such levels of psychosis.

 

[KingT]

It's funny that on PP when it comes to Babar, he's considered great cause he is "performing in all formats".

But when the same argument is made between Kohli and Smith, suddenly it's "test cricket is the only one that counts. Nobody cares about JAMODIs."

Usually one needs to pay good money to witness such levels of psychosis.

Wasn't me who said it so don't know why I have been quoted

 

[Mesozoic]

Babar is comfortably better than Rahul if you consider all the formats just like how Kohli is better than Smith. Only format where I would take Rahul over Babar is T20 (ironically).

My fellow Indian posters should have no shame in accepting this. Rahul has still not proven his potential in Tests (esp SENA) and ODIs.

 

[Sir Alex]

Rahul is mentally weak and undisciplined. It seems fame has gone to his head and is unable to manage it properly.

I think once he gets hitched/ married we will see an uptick in his performances.

 

[KingT]

No you are the one who had a fool of yourself as you lack reading comprehension. He was 10th in tests after the SA series so at that point he was in the top 15 in all three formats refuting the outright false lie that Babar is the 2nd person after Kohli to be in the top 15 in all three formats because at that point Rohit was and Babar wasn't.

Another one of your lies )

Just checked the rankings.

On Oct 18th, Babar rose to 15th in the test rankings and Rohit was 17th (after his two hundreds against SA in the same match).
After the Pune test, he dropped to the 22nd spot. Then he scored his double hundred.

Hence proven that Babar was in the top 15 for all three formats before Rohit.

You've really embarrassed yourself today. You really need to take a break.

 

[Sir Alex]

Babar on the other hand is everything Pakistan cricket is not. He is mentally stable, level headed, no ego and focussed on improving his batting constantly. He may or may not reach the Kohli esque levels but pretty sure he will end up being among Pak s best batsman ever.

 

[ak619]

Babar is comfortably better than Rahul if you consider all the formats just like how Kohli is better than Smith. Only format where I would take Rahul over Babar is T20 (ironically).

My fellow Indian posters should have no shame in accepting this. Rahul has still not proven his potential in Tests (esp SENA) and ODIs.

KL actually has twice as many test centuries in SENA compared to Babar. He also has daddy hundreds with a highest score of 199 against England. In terms of records (not current form) KL Rahul is actually a more successful test player than Babar.

But that's besides the point.

I think almost everyone here is saying what you are saying only. That they would pick KL over Babar in T20 format only. I would do the same. In tests currently I will prefer having Babar in my team over KL.

 

[Banton10]

Rahul is a hack, while babar is 2nd best player of world after virat.
He will leave behind virat choker kohli in next two years.

 

[KingT]

Another one of your lies )

Just checked the rankings.

On Oct 18th, Babar rose to 15th in the test rankings and Rohit was 17th (after his two hundreds against SA in the same match).
After the Pune test, he dropped to the 22nd spot. Then he scored his double hundred.

Hence proven that Babar was in the top 15 for all three formats before Rohit.

You've really embarrassed yourself today. You really need to take a break.

[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION]
You need to stop [MENTION=141829]geraltofrivia[/MENTION] from spreading lies. If I wasnt here to debunk his claims, people here would have believed them.

 

[Bel_Homme]

Babar Azam is a better batsman...what is there to argue so much guys??

 

[KingT]

KL actually has twice as many test centuries in SENA compared to Babar. He also has daddy hundreds with a highest score of 199 against England. In terms of records (not current form) KL Rahul is actually a more successful test player than Babar.

But that's besides the point.

I think almost everyone here is saying what you are saying only. That they would pick KL over Babar in T20 format only. I would do the same. In tests currently I will prefer having Babar in my team over KL.

By twice you mean 2 more right?
Considering Babar nearly scored 100 against Aus in the 2nd test match, I don't think Rahul having two more hundred than Babar makes that much of a difference. Also Rahul averages only 29 away. While Babar averages around 33 away. Look at the career record of both.

Babar averages more than Rahul and Rahul has only 3 more centuries than Babar despite playing 13 more matches than him

 

[KingT]

Really want Babar to score a double century soon.
It'll help his confidence immensely

 

[KingT]

Then
7th December 2017:

Rahul was 11th in the Test Rankings

Babar was 93rd in the Test Rankings

Now
7th December 2019:

Rahul is 51st in the Test Rankings

Babar is 11th in the Test Rankings

 

[BlueBeamer]

As of right now Babar is way ahead of KL as a batsman. KL needs to play way more meaningful innings to catch up.

 

[BlueBeamer]

Then
7th December 2017:

Rahul was 11th in the Test Rankings

Babar was 93rd in the Test Rankings

Now
7th December 2019:

Rahul is 51st in the Test Rankings

Babar is 11th in the Test Rankings

KL had a lot of chances to leave his mark in test cricket but for the last 2 years has failed almost every single time his team needed him. Was a big time flop in the ENG and AUS tours.

As of now, Babar is a way better batsmen than KL.

 

[KingT]

KL had a lot of chances to leave his mark in test cricket but for the last 2 years has failed almost every single time his team needed him. Was a big time flop in the ENG and AUS tours.

As of now, Babar is a way better batsmen than KL.

He could have been India's first choice but I guess it just wasn't to be

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Rahul is a ceritified hack, not sure why this hack is being compared to a classy batsman like Babar.

 

[Sultanofswing]

What a useless thread this is. KL will never match Babar ever. Different team and different roles.
In ODI Babar is allowed to play slow to rack up runs. Others are expected to pick his slack and play aggressive. Babar is not expected to take Pak home. A slow century in loosong cause and still he will be hailed like a hero. ODI ranking doesn't consider innings in context of the game.

In Ind team, If KL plays a slow inning like Babar he will be thrown out of scheme of things right away. He will become a national enemy.

Hence, Babar will always rack up more runs and maintain higher average.

Case closed.

 

[Mean&Green]

Did you at least read what I said? Or just got triggered seeing my username? Please quote me next time only when you have a point by point rebuttal instead of childish rant.

KL averages almost 44 with a strike rate of 147, which is comfortably better than Babar's average off 50 striking at 127 as far as t20 cricket is concerned. In terms of ability, KL has more shots than Kohli let alone Babar, has a well developed power game and can dominate bowling attack irrespective of the power play as evident from his two centuries in this format. Babar, albeit consistent, isn't much of a threat beyond power play overs, just doesn't have the power game, he needs someone to play the big shots while he sticks around and keeps the scoreboard ticking. Good but nothing special and he will not win you matches chasing 200.

Do not judge KL's t20 career based on his failures in ODI and test cricket. Please reply only with normal sentences with punctuation marks.

The T20 World Cup is not far away mate last time me and you had this conversation it was the odi World Cup and babar destroyed kl in that. Babar is the number one t20 batsman in the world and that’s a fact. Babar is regarded as one of the best in the world right now when kl doesn’t even get mentioned anywhere close to that list. Now coming to the t20 stats Babars way ahead when kl is not even consistent plus he is a certified choker couldn’t even finish this game had it not been for kohli. Honestly come back to this thread when kl starts even getting mentioned near like likes of kohli Sharma Babar smith Williamson. Until than please don’t even quote me again for the sake of cricket. The bitter truth is you guys thought he would be the next kohli but he turned out to be the next Umar akmal.

 

[KingT]

What a useless thread this is. KL will never match Babar ever. Different team and different roles.
In ODI Babar is allowed to play slow to rack up runs. Others are expected to pick his slack and play aggressive. Babar is not expected to take Pak home. A slow century in loosong cause and still he will be hailed like a hero. ODI ranking doesn't consider innings in context of the game.

In Ind team, If KL plays a slow inning like Babar he will be thrown out of scheme of things right away. He will become a national enemy.

Hence, Babar will always rack up more runs and maintain higher average.

Case closed.

There's no one in the team who "picks up Babar's slack". That used to happen in 2017 and early 2018. Now Babar has become the man who picks up their slack. It's a one-man show now.
We don't have a big hitter down the order so Babar has to play that role too.

No-one hails Babar for his "slow" centuries. When our team loses, just go on social media and see how people treat him.

Looks like you're living in 2017. Babar is a different player now and it'll become more obvious when the ODI championship comes round

 

[KingT]

The T20 World Cup is not far away mate last time me and you had this conversation it was the odi World Cup and babar destroyed kl in that. Babar is the number one t20 batsman in the world and that’s a fact. Babar is regarded as one of the best in the world right now when kl doesn’t even get mentioned anywhere close to that list. Now coming to the t20 stats Babars way ahead when kl is not even consistent plus he is a certified choker couldn’t even finish this game had it not been for kohli. Honestly come back to this thread when kl starts even getting mentioned near like likes of kohli Sharma Babar smith Williamson. Until than please don’t even quote me again for the sake of cricket. The bitter truth is you guys thought he would be the next kohli but he turned out to be the next Umar akmal.

Exactly. People are making it seem like Rahul was the one who won India the game.
Rahul actually got out at a time where India were controlling the game. It was the worst possible time for him to get out.
Kohli wasn't playing very well and they still needed around 75 runs off 6 overs to win. If it wasn't for Kohli's heroics, India would have fallen short by 10-15 runs

 

[geraltofrivia]

The T20 World Cup is not far away mate last time me and you had this conversation it was the odi World Cup and babar destroyed kl in that. Babar is the number one t20 batsman in the world and that’s a fact. Babar is regarded as one of the best in the world right now when kl doesn’t even get mentioned anywhere close to that list. Now coming to the t20 stats Babars way ahead when kl is not even consistent plus he is a certified choker couldn’t even finish this game had it not been for kohli. Honestly come back to this thread when kl starts even getting mentioned near like likes of kohli Sharma Babar smith Williamson. Until than please don’t even quote me again for the sake of cricket. The bitter truth is you guys thought he would be the next kohli but he turned out to be the next Umar akmal.

??

babar's team exited in the first round. and against india he was embarrassed by kuldeep, yet again.

 

[Sultanofswing]

Wake me up when Babar takes team home. Tired of his beautiful impact less fifties and hundred.

 

[Smudger]

Wake me up when Babar takes team home. Tired of his beautiful impact less fifties and hundred.

When has Rahul taken India home? He played at a below par sr for the chase and it was kohli who took India home

 

[saeed5646]

Wake me up when Babar takes team home. Tired of his beautiful impact less fifties and hundred.

Just recently he scored match winning hundred against nz in worldcup .so just shhhhh

 

[andy0204]

[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION]
You need to stop [MENTION=141829]geraltofrivia[/MENTION] from spreading lies. If I wasnt here to debunk his claims, people here would have believed them.

Look at his posts mostly you will see that he wants to put Pakistan down and hail India as no 1.

 

[Balthazar]

T20s: Babar is similar to Dhawan, as in high average and low strike-rate player, that we are trying to get rid of for KL Rahul but for Kohli's strong regional bias, Dhawan is still playing.

There's just no comparison between these two in this format.

ODIs: This is a tricky part. Babar has played 74 matches and KL has just 23 ODIs to his name, and he was in-and-out of the team like 10 times. How can anyone establish himself in such repulsive environment?

Still, to average 54 is no joke, so Babar is
ahead with this one.

Test: Here we are comparing a player with an average of 34 to a player with an average of 37. But one is on upward curve and the other is on downward curve.

This is where KL has truly lost it. With the cash-rich IPL, he will be the most sought out player in the next big auction, so I don't see him coming back to Test again, atleast for now.

 

[OmarKhan99]

T20s: Babar is similar to Dhawan, as in high average and low strike-rate player, that we are trying to get rid of for KL Rahul but for Kohli's strong regional bias, Dhawan is still playing.

There's just no comparison between these two in this format.

ODIs: This is a tricky part. Babar has played 74 matches and KL has just 23 ODIs to his name, and he was in-and-out of the team like 10 times. How can anyone establish himself in such repulsive environment?

Still, to average 54 is no joke, so Babar is
ahead with this one.

Test: Here we are comparing a player with an average of 34 to a player with an average of 37. But one is on upward curve and the other is on downward curve.

This is where KL has truly lost it. With the cash-rich IPL, he will be the most sought out player in the next big auction, so I don't see him coming back to Test again, atleast for now.

I hope you meant T20Is and not T20s since we are discussing international performances.

Shikhar Dhawan in T20Is
Average: 27.85
Strike rate: 128.21

Babar Azam in T20Is
Average: 50.17
Strike rate: 127.49


Babar almost has twice the average Dhawan has, so I'm not sure how your analogy/comparison works.

 

[RajBan]

Not a big fan of KL and personally I think Babar is a infinitely better batsman than KL in terms of application, composure and grit. However I admire the KL fans for their perseverance, I hope one day KL takes a leaf out of their book and demonstrates that for the sake of his fans. Its amusing how the KL fans still able to drag this thread and guess what, T20 is now the benchmark. Even though Babar has conveniently better and consistent numbers there, the debate is pivoted around strike rate now.

I will give you guys this without any bias. KL is better than Babar in underarm ping pong cricket and one drop - one hand version. He is also better in EA Sports 2020 version than Babur. Needless to say that he beats Babur hands down in book cricket. Let's not debate around this one. Let some be happy.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

In ODIs, Rahul won't displace either Rohit Sharma or Shikhar Dhawan anytime soon and in Tests he's going on a downward trend. With competition for that opening slot, it's only a matter of time before Rahul is dropped from the Test squad. So T20Is is the only format in which he can make it.

 

[Ab Fan]

Over 2200 posts for two players who are not even in top 10 test batsmen of the current era speaks the amount of time we have wasted on an insignificant thread.

 

[Balthazar]

I hope you meant T20Is and not T20s since we are discussing international performances.

Shikhar Dhawan in T20Is
Average: 27.85
Strike rate: 128.21

Babar Azam in T20Is
Average: 50.17
Strike rate: 127.49


Babar almost has twice the average Dhawan has, so I'm not sure how your analogy/comparison works.

No matter, they are similar in style and are not fit for T20s. The longer they stayed, the more beneficial it is for the opposition.

 

[KingT]

??

babar's team exited in the first round. and against india he was embarrassed by kuldeep, yet again.

The amount of times you've talked about that Kuldeep delivery shows how much importance you associated with that wicket.

So remember that moment and cherish it for the rest of your life.

Also Cherish the moment when Kohli was LBW while facing Trent Boult in the Semi Final of the 2019 CWC.
The same side who Babar scored a 100 against on a difficult wicket at a time where if we had lost we would have been knocked out there and then.

 

[Sir Alex]

The amount of times you've talked about that Kuldeep delivery shows how much importance you associated with that wicket.

So remember that moment and cherish it for the rest of your life.

Also Cherish the moment when Kohli was LBW while facing Trent Boult in the Semi Final of the 2019 CWC.
The same side who Babar scored a 100 against on a difficult wicket at a time where if we had lost we would have been knocked out there and then.

Got knocked out before knock outs didn't they still?

 

[KingT]

Got knocked out before knock outs didn't they still?

So you're saying getting knocked out when you still have 3 matches left is better than getting knocked out after winning your 4 remaining matches?

 

[NoBallZombie]

Heard Rahul and a defacto T20 number 1 batsman took their team to a win yesterday against a great bowling attack They may need a batsman who is reliable and has a solid average... I am thinking someone like Babar would do.

 

[JaDed]

Heard Rahul and a defacto T20 number 1 batsman took their team to a win yesterday against a great bowling attack They may need a batsman who is reliable and has a solid average... I am thinking someone like Babar would do.

Would be good if he can first take Pak above the line against BD in UAE...

 

[Sidilicious]

Heard Rahul and a defacto T20 number 1 batsman took their team to a win yesterday against a great bowling attack They may need a batsman who is reliable and has a solid average... I am thinking someone like Babar would do.

Nah, thanks. We already have Rohit and Kohli for that. Would rather have an explosive batsman as our 2nd opener.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Heard Rahul and a defacto T20 number 1 batsman took their team to a win yesterday against a great bowling attack They may need a batsman who is reliable and has a solid average... I am thinking someone like Babar would do.

India's problem is finishing. T20 is all about finishing big. Last year IPL Mumbai started slowly in most matches. But Pandya's dominating finishes helped them win most of the matches. India needs 2 more of them. Preferably reliable. T20 is such a format that in 2 overs you can completely change the game. India made like 18 runs in the last 3 overs which is a crime.

 

[OmarKhan99]

No matter, they are similar in style and are not fit for T20s. The longer they stayed, the more beneficial it is for the opposition.

What kind of an argument is that? Ahmed Shehzad/Shabbir Rehman and Kohli are of similar style, is the latter also not fit for International cricket?

You can't just present an argument with an analogy and then just skim over it once that analogy is refuted with stats.

Babar may have the relatively low strike rate that Shikhar does, but he's siginificantly more consistent in T20Is.

 

[Sunny_majoka]

Both are talented but only one is consistent

 

[BreadPakoda]

Both are talented but only one is consistent

Babar is more talented too

 

[tyron_woodley]

no both are not equally talented. babar is far more talented and it's an insult to compare a fodder like Rahul to an elite level talent like babar. Babar is not a a talent anymore btw, he is an established superstar.

babar should be compared with Kane Williamson, warner, ross Taylor, root and pujara.

in test cricket I.e

in odi he is easily top 3

in t20 top 3 easily.

 

[tyron_woodley]

The amount of times you've talked about that Kuldeep delivery shows how much importance you associated with that wicket.

So remember that moment and cherish it for the rest of your life.

Also Cherish the moment when Kohli was LBW while facing Trent Boult in the Semi Final of the 2019 CWC.
The same side who Babar scored a 100 against on a difficult wicket at a time where if we had lost we would have been knocked out there and then.

I understand where you are coming from but n.z got lucky. It was a 2 day game rather than a odi game. rain affected the play.

 

[Square Drive]

28 pages? Judging by the number of replies, one would think Babar is being compared to Kohli, as the latter atleast comes somewhat close to Babar.

But Rahul, seriously? What's there to talk about?

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Delusional Rahul fans are trying to keep this thread open, really pathetic to see. I always knew he's a hack, and some posters were comparing this talentless hack to Kohli. And look where he is now. Playing flashing strokes doesn't mean talent in 2019, performance does. Talent is the entire package, and Rahul doesn't have any.

 

[Slog]

28 pages? Judging by the number of replies, one would think Babar is being compared to Kohli, as the latter atleast comes somewhat close to Babar.

But Rahul, seriously? What's there to talk about?

Babar is not comparable to Kohli lol. Atleast not right now anyway.

Kohli is several leagues ahead of Babar right now in Babar's strongest format ie. ODI; so lets not even talk about Tests.

 

[Slog]

Delusional Rahul fans are trying to keep this thread open, really pathetic to see. I always knew he's a hack, and some posters were comparing this talentless hack to Kohli. And look where he is now. Playing flashing strokes doesn't mean talent in 2019, performance does. Talent is the entire package, and Rahul doesn't have any.

reminds me of Umar Akmal fans tbh when they were dragging the Kohli v Akmal debate for about 3 years longer than it shouldve

 

[Joseph Gomes]

reminds me of Umar Akmal fans tbh when they were dragging the Kohli v Akmal debate for about 3 years longer than it shouldve

Thankfully both have have kicked out of the major formats. They can enjoy playing domestic T20 leagues which is their ceiling.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Babar is not comparable to Kohli lol. Atleast not right now anyway.

Kohli is several leagues ahead of Babar right now in Babar's strongest format ie. ODI; so lets not even talk about Tests.

Unfair to compare Babar to any of Kohli, Smith or KW. They are established stars of the game. They have each played atleast two World Cups. Babar is nowhere near in terms of ability or experience.

Babar should be compared with the newer lot, and frankly he is a level above his peers right now.

 

[RainStopsPlay]

Babar is not comparable to Kohli lol. Atleast not right now anyway.

Kohli is several leagues ahead of Babar right now in Babar's strongest format ie. ODI; so lets not even talk about Tests.

Lol what? Kohli? Let the Babar star Azam attain the level of Rohit, Dhawan, Warner & Williamson first. Kohli is too high a benchmark for his abilities.

 

[Sir Alex]

So you're saying getting knocked out when you still have 3 matches left is better than getting knocked out after winning your 4 remaining matches?

Apart from the drama there is no difference. Played exactly the minimum matches would have.

 

[Mujtaba2900]

I knew there would be someone who takes what they see in the T20I rankings at face value.

Going by your logic Babar (ranked no.1) > Kohli (ranked no.15) but everyone knows the latter is the bonafide number 1 T20I batsman in the world.

Now if you look at the T20I rankings below, are you also going to tell me that the first 14 names are all superior to Kohli with the bat in the shortest format?

1 Babar Azam
2 Aaron Finch
3 Dawid Malan
4 Colin Munro
5 Glenn Maxwell
6 Hazratullah
7 Evin Lewis
8 Rohit Sharma
9 Lokesh Rahul
10 Eoin Morgan
11 Martin Guptill
12 Reeza Hendricks
13 D'Arcy Short
14 Shikhar Dhawan
15 Virat Kohli

Babar Azam is a fine anchor and T20I batsman. His game has improved significantly this year and I feel his stint at Somerset shows he's enhanced his game, so we should expect more knocks from him of higher impact.

But currently, I would take Rahul's average of 43 at a strike rate of 145 (including 2 x tons) than Babar's average of 50 at a strike of 127. The latter's strike rate shows he doesn't match Rahul in scoring match defining knocks

If flashy strokes and once in generation talent are benchmark for judging t20 player then reeza Hendricks should be no 1 when he is in flow he looks better then Every player mentioned in list

 

[MeanAndGreen]

If Babar was Indian, this thread would be closed right now. Just like the Hasan Ali vs Bumrah, Ashraf v Pandya, Dhawan v Shikhar comparisons are closed in India's favour.

He is leagues above Rahul.

 

[MeanAndGreen]

Rahul had the added benefit of batting in the Indian line-up; surrounded by genuine superstars, a proper cricketing culture and structure and the luxury of full home seasons and packed global tours yet he still couldn't make it.

What a waste of talent.