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Ball-tampering: Steve Smith suspended for a Test, Cameron Bancroft handed 3 demerit pts [Update#677]

The thing with ban is Smith admitted he, along with other senior players, planned this. What about them?

Think he's opened a can of worms he can't put back in.
 
Looks like Smithy is done for. I really hope they do Lehman over too. There's just too much smoke.

In-regards to [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] you'll likely see the presser being streamed/periscoped on twitter.
 
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The thing with ban is Smith admitted he, along with other senior players, planned this. What about them?

Think he's opened a can of worms he can't put back in.
I can't believe Lehmann didn't take the fall for this and say it was a directive from him. He was only going to be around for another year anyway.
 
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I can't believe Lehmann didn't take the fall for this and said it was a directive from him. He was only going to be around for another year anyway.

Lehman didn't even have the guts to go to the presser where Bancroft and Smith owned up. I think that tells you a lot about the man.
 
MEDIA ADVISORY
March 25, 2018
James Sutherland Press Conference

Cricket Australia CEO, James Sutherland will address media today in Melbourne at midday.

Who: James Sutherland, CEO Cricket Australia

When: 25 March 2018, 12pm AEDT
 
Australia admit ball tampering against South Africa after being caught red-handed

The ill-tempered series between South Africa and Australia took an extraordinary turn yesterday as Australia’s Cameron Bancroft and Steve Smith admitted to ball tampering after being caught by TV cameras on the third day of the third Test in Cape Town. On a day when South Africa strengthened their grip on the game — they led by 294 runs with five second-innings wickets in hand — Bancroft, who had been working on the ball when he was in the field, was captured rubbing a piece of tape, coated with dust from the pitch.

After 12th man Peter Handscomb came on to speak to him, he tried to hide it down his trousers. Umpires Nigel Llong and Richard Illingworth, both from England, spoke to Bancroft, who produced his sunglasses carry-bag from his pockets as if to show that it was the only thing he had on his person. The umpires took no action but he was charged by the match officials after play finished.

He and Smith then appeared at a press conference, when the captain admitted to a policy of ball tampering. “The leadership group spoke about it at lunch. I’m not proud of what’s happened, it’s not within the spirit of the game. My integrity and the integrity of the leadership group has come into question, rightfully so.”

Smith declined to say who was in the leadership group. Bancroft said: “We had a discussion with the match officials and I’ve been charged with attempting to change the condition of the ball. I was in the vicinity when the leadership group were discussing it. I was obviously nervous and with hundreds of cameras it’s always a risk. I saw an opportunity to use some tape and granules from rough patches of the wicket to change the ball’s condition. Once I was sighted on the screen I panicked quite a lot, and that’s why I shoved it down my trousers.”

Cricket Australia chief executive James Sutherland was due to address domestic media last night, with a board meeting to discuss what action it might take expected to take place today.

The series, tied at 1-1 after two Tests, has been marked by rancour, with David Warner restrained by teammates after he went to confront South Africa’s Quinton de Kock, following an on-field exchange, during the tea interval in the first Test. On Friday, Australia coach Darren Lehmann confirmed that his team had lodged an official complaint about abuse from South Africa fans.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...frica-after-being-caught-red-handed-2pxvd8qs0


I love the last paragraph! Now Australia must face the abuse from the cricketing world!
 
I respect Smith for admitting it.
You respect a captain for admitting, after being caught, that he and his team preplanned to cheat, and then carried out the plan? He had no option but to admit to cheating considering that everything was captured by tv cameras. What was the alternative? Deny it all despite the video evidence?
 
MEDIA ADVISORY
March 25, 2018
James Sutherland Press Conference

Cricket Australia CEO, James Sutherland will address media today in Melbourne at midday.

Who: James Sutherland, CEO Cricket Australia

When: 25 March 2018, 12pm AEDT

Sweet! So in about 3.5 hours!
 
I am faintly surprised by how unbothered I am by this affair. I find it funny more than anything.
 
Needs to be sacked as captain and banned for 5 tests along with Bancroft. Coach if involved needs to be fired as well.
 
Any link to this?

Well the presser doesn't seem to have started yet. Should be soonish.

Edit: Never mind. Confused by the Australian timings. I think noon in Australia is still a couple hours away.

Still, should be interesting.
 
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Well the presser doesn't seem to have started yet. Should be soonish.

Edit: Never mind. Confused by the Australian timings. I think noon in Australia is still a couple hours away.

Still, should be interesting.

It’s around a hour and half away
 
Well the presser doesn't seem to have started yet. Should be soonish.

Edit: Never mind. Confused by the Australian timings. I think noon in Australia is still a couple hours away.

Still, should be interesting.
1.5 hours

To clarify the Aussies weren’t trying to swing the ball Bancroft tried to tamper with, they were intentionally trying to damage the ball so they could get a replacement ball.
 
Disgusting by the leadership group (which I’m assuming is Smith, Warner, Paine and S. Marsh) to pressurise Bancroft, the youngster to do the deed.
 
The rumours in oz media is that smith will loose the captaincy

Yeah, been reading some Aussie journos saying the same. Will be a great shame, but once he opened his gob about planning this whole episode behind closed doors, his head was on the block.
 
The rumours in oz media is that smith will loose the captaincy
Yep, he only has himself to blame. He should have never opened his mouth, Lehmann should have taken the fall for this.

Warner isn't captaincy material either so that leaves possibly Starc or Hazlewood?
 
I've been following some Aussie sites, the backlash is huge. Most want Smith gone as captain, Warner gone as VC and Lehmann out completely.

Not surprising though, they've humiliated their country and brought doubt onto each success this team has had.
 
Yep, he only has himself to blame. He should have never opened his mouth, Lehmann should have taken the fall for this.

Warner isn't captaincy material either so that leaves possibly Starc or Hazlewood?

Tim Paine, Khawaja and Shaun Marshe’s names come up the most

Personally I can’t see any of them happening, perhaps Paine in the short term
 
Yep, he only has himself to blame. He should have never opened his mouth, Lehmann should have taken the fall for this.

Warner isn't captaincy material either so that leaves possibly Starc or Hazlewood?
Tim Paine as the short term option is the logical choice if he isn’t part of the “leadership group”.
 
Yeah, been reading some Aussie journos saying the same. Will be a great shame, but once he opened his gob about planning this whole episode behind closed doors, his head was on the block.

Yeah the fact this was a premeditated plan is what makes it worse, it wasn’t impulsive like Afridi biting the ball or Sachin using his nail
 
Tim Paine, Khawaja and Shaun Marshe’s names come up the most

Personally I can’t see any of them happening, perhaps Paine in the short term
Smith took the Warne route. Throw everyone under the bus
:)))

Renshaw is considered the next long term Australian captain. So they're going to have to have a couple short term captains before he's probably ready.
 
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What a few months for Tim Paine though, only little while back was playing in Lahore, now he could be the next Aus captain

Its sort of rivals Misbahs comeback in 2010
 
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Don’t agree with everything he says there, but this wouldn’t have happened under Clarke
 
It's a shame, Smith is a great batsmen and don't know who else could lead Australia. If some of you are right in saying the coach was leaving a year anyway, he should have taken it upon himself. I'm pretty sure he was part of the leadership group, but as he himself won't take responsibility, the whole team will suffer.
 
If Paine is the new captain, who will be the new VC?

Starc or Hazlewood?
 
If Paine is the new captain, who will be the new VC?

Starc or Hazlewood?

No idea nothing is confirmed yet, just the media buzz

I’ll be shocked if they announce a new captain today


I suspect this what will happen, they will announce today that smith and warner will loose their leadership positions once this game is done

After the match I think we can see these 3 things happening

1. Paine as captain provided he wasn’t in the leadership group
2. Mitchell Marsh as VC
3. Lehman sacked
 
The most hilarious part of the video is that the guy is wearing the blood red bandana and no body else is even acknowledging that it is happening :))
 
The most hilarious part of the video is that the guy is wearing the blood red bandana and no body else is even acknowledging that it is happening :))
It’s his central piece of clothing, it’s something synonymous with the guy. Think his kids gave it to him years back and he’s been rarely seen without since.
 
The most hilarious part of the video is that the guy is wearing the blood red bandana and no body else is even acknowledging that it is happening :))

Lol he always does it like his trademark, even when he was head of the Republican movement. All of Australia is used to it. I think his kids gave it as gift to him or something and he decided to keep wearing it cause he can
 
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I think you have misunderstood what I said.

There is an aussie sports pundit in the video with Clark. He wears a red bandanna like a pirate. That’s what I was joking about

The "why" was about wantinf to know if there was a story behind the bandana, nothing against your op.
 
The "why" was about wantinf to know if there was a story behind the bandana, nothing against your op.

Ahh k, apologies

His kids bought it for him or something like that, became his trademark thereafter. Pretty much always wears it now
 
Tim Paine, Khawaja and Shaun Marshe’s names come up the most

Personally I can’t see any of them happening, perhaps Paine in the short term

Should give it to Khawaja for the time-being. CA need all the good-will they can get and Khawaja becoming their first non-white captain will help.

If Paine is the new captain, who will be the new VC?

Starc or Hazlewood?

It can't be anyone from the "leadership group" otherwise why even bother sacking Smith? Starc and Hazlewood are apparently part of the leadership group.
 
I reckon Cummings has a chance as VC if Paine is implicated

That would make Mitch Marsh the captain imo
 
One thing I don't understand, they said Bancroft used a "tape" to tamper with the ball. What kinda "tape" is this?

I thought it was sandpaper or some kind yellow plastic.
 
One thing I don't understand, they said Bancroft used a "tape" to tamper with the ball. What kinda "tape" is this?

I thought it was sandpaper or some kind yellow plastic.
They were trying to ruin the condition of the ball to get a replacement ball. Not try to
swing the existing ball.

How the tape would do so idk.
 
One thing I don't understand, they said Bancroft used a "tape" to tamper with the ball. What kinda "tape" is this?

I thought it was sandpaper or some kind yellow plastic.

The sticky side of the tape was rubbed against dirt to make it rough, that was then used against the ball. Cunning idea if they got away with it (which I suspect they have in the past)
 
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The sticky side of the tape was rubbed against dirt to make it rough, that was then used against the ball. Cunning idea if they got away with it (which I suspect they have in the past)

I honestly don't think it was tape. The object in question looked more sturdy when they showed Bancroft hiding it inside his pants. Maybe it's just me.
 
I honestly don't think it was tape. The object in question looked more sturdy when they showed Bancroft hiding it inside his pants. Maybe it's just me.

Maybe one of those fibre tapes used on bats for repairs or maybe it was something else you said, they could be saying it’s tape as that doesn’t sound as bad as sandpaper
 
I honestly don't think it was tape. The object in question looked more sturdy when they showed Bancroft hiding it inside his pants. Maybe it's just me.

I am with you in that they are lying that is a tape to make it sound a bit better.

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Got it, thanks Sherlock!


I wonder if anyone in the media will call them out for passing it off as just "tape"
 
Why didn’t the umpires award SA 5 runs?

I get not changing the ball but no run penalty just seems ridiculous
 
Why didn’t the umpires award SA 5 runs?

I get not changing the ball but no run penalty just seems ridiculous

Exactly. That'll be an interesting question to ask the umpires. They had the evidence, hard evidence at that, yet didn't do anything about it. Maybe they'll get that rectified, and corrected the following day of the Test.
 
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Wouldn’t put it past Nigel Long, crap umpire. I have noticed he seems far more patronising when umpiring Asian sides
 
what a shocka .. didn't realise the aussies would stoop so low , what happened to the 'play hard but fair' mantra of aussie teams of old ? :eek:
 
Clocks go forward tonight!

James Sutherland conference in 15 min!

Anyone know where it can be watched live?
 
The FoxSports website needs a VPN-addon if you're not from Australia/NZ.

The HeraldSun is working fine and doesn't need a VPN.
 
im not making excuses but surely everyone cant be surprised.
the game is so heavily tilted towards the batsmen the bowlers are just trying to find a way to get ahead....and got found out.
 
Given how much white teams pontificate about this, I want to see life bans. The hypocrisy overwhelms me.
 
Given how much white teams pontificate about this, I want to see life bans. The hypocrisy overwhelms me.

Life bans for ball tampering? Yer avin a laff ain’t ya, some kind of short-term ban maybe but life ban is crazy harsh.
 
And as I have mentioned since the Wellington Test two years ago - in which Mitchell Marsh suddenly became Waqar Younis - Australia currently “work the ball” more than anyone else.

Mind you, a year ago I uploaded a picture of Umesh Yadav sporting a comically long fingernail during a Test match.

It should be Steve Smith who gets the ban. Punish the organ grinder, not his monkey.

I would say any captain found to have a player use a foreign object on the ball gets a Life Ban.

Then it would stop.
All teams do this to a greater or lesser degree: Imran Khan admitted to using a bottle top in his spell of 5-7 bowling on a fractured leg.

But I have said again and again on PakPassion since Wellington 2016 that Australia has been obtaining more reverse than anyone else - which strongly implies that they have been using foreign objects to doctor the ball.
 
Matters will be taken further, CA head of integrity sent to SA

No decisions today
Obviously Cricket Australia needs to discover who knew - if Warner (vice captain) or Lyon or Starc or Hazlewood were accessories they can’t be the new skipper.

But they should have recalled Smith and Bancroft back to Australia to investigate this, and finish the Test with nine men like would have happened in any other sport.

I remain convinced that Tim Paine and Pat Cummins are the two men best qualified to skipper Australia.

Paine is the most mature player with the doh dear temperament. And Cummins is the player whose IQ is 20 higher than his teammates.
 
James Sutherland.

The CA chieftain was not giving much away content-wise, but the poor chap sounded like he was about to choke up his cornflakes at any moment - seemed rather shellshocked and extremely despondent about the whole thing, which is understandable.

My view is that Smith, Warner and Lehmann are all for the chop.

Lehmann is in a double-bind already because he either knew about it and cheated, or he didn’t know and therefore his players will be perceived to be out of his control. Not sure which is worse.

Smith and Warner meanwhile will both get sanctioned by CA, stood down from their posts, and suspended from selection for a while, then offered a way back but as players only and under a new leadership team.
 
Sutherland answering about 15 or so questions from the media. Main points

* Smith remains captain for now

* CA sending two personnel to investigate

* no sanctions issued by CA for now

* A sad and embarrassing day for Australia

* Sutherland stopped short of calling this cheating
 
It’s being reported that the leadership group is Smith, Warner, Hazelwood and Starc. All will face some sanction
 
I feel sorry for them, it looks like a conference after they've spot fixed. They tried to win the game, the ball wasn't doing anything they tampered with it slightly. I know rules are rules, but personally I don't see minor tampering with the ball a big deal. I'm sure players from accross the countries try and tamper with the ball in their own not so obvious ways, problem was it looked blatant as the camera showed him putting it down his trousers. But yeah I feel sorry for him, must have felt the ground go below him when he found out it was caught on camera.

As I said, Cameron was merely a tool. I feel sorry for his career. Hope he can bounce back. But I don't feel one bit sorry for them having to sit there.

Am sure plenty of teams do this sort of thing but the Aussies have a special way of always claiming the moral high ground which is as ridiculous as things get. Their latest hoohaa over the Warner wife thing is just an example. And the brazenness of Smith sitting there and lying "I promise you this is the first time" when new videos have started emerging of them having done it during the Ashes.

This is what annoys about them. The fact that they like to have the best of both worlds and have the audacity to try and claim some sort of morality instead of just accepting that they do anything to win. Remember the brain fade? and the conviction with which he tried to pull that off.
 
Aussies have been doing all the stuff Pakistanis are usually demonised for. They are just very good at overpowering the authorities to take any strong action against them. This time they had no way out, if they did have the slightest of opportunities to deny it they would still be walking around with their moral high ground rubbish and saying nothing happened. If the cameras did not catch the yellow paper, or Bancroft had not been such a fool and run off for a fake toilet brake and got rid of it in the dressing room, they still would be fighting against the world to say they are not cheats.

They should be banned from cricket for a year. Totally a disgrace to the integrity of the sport
 
Disgracefull stuff...even they did in first test also..its just camera which didnt caught ...no chance they winning against any team without cheating...shame that smith encouraged this to his teammates..he shuld be removed from captancy immediately..its nothing less than match fixing...icc please take strict action against thease cry babies...
 
I think a 2 test ban for Smith and a fine for Bancroft is more than enough. I dont think this is that big of a deal, ppl here are over reacting. Smith is a good kid, he will learn from this and wont repeat it again.
 
He needs to be banned and stripped off his captaincy immediately. He does not have the moral authority to lead a national team
 
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