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Balochistan [279/6] beat Punjab [275] by four wickets in the Pakistan One Day Cup

Amin needz to have a massive tourney here I would not mind him getting one of the opening slots for OD's
 
ask_analyse_act said:
correction: never given a consistent run ... he and hammad are the biggest victims of hiding seniors behind dropping the youngsters during MISBAH era of odi captaincy....dave gave him the chance to open but not backed by MISBAH, dropped in the following series..
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Actually hammad azam showed promise and he delivered. He was instrumental in paks win against bangladesh in asia cup final with his gritty 30/40 in that low scoring match

He performed well in u19 where he lead his team to victory by scoring in crunch situations while chasing

Then he hit broad for a few sixes in t20 at uae when our other batters were having issues in clearing the boundary.

Hammad Azam cannot be compared to umar amin. I realy feel bad for Hammad Azam, he almost did everything that he was required to do so as to seal his place in pak odi team for atleast 1 year.


So what if he bowls at 110kph. Dont ask him to bowl. I pray that he gets a chance to represent Pakistan with khair InshAllah soon.
 
shah_1 said:
Most of Amin chances in 2013 were at 6


So many Pakistani batsmen destroyed like this.
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Thanks to MISBAH and the team mgmt... haris sohail was also given chances to come at 5 and 6 intially... then in CWC ANZ he is the no.3 and all legends hiding behind him from the new ball.. MISBAH never promotes himself to no.3 too... terrible times then and now...
 
pacesensation said:
Actually hammad azam showed promise and he delivered. He was instrumental in paks win against bangladesh in asia cup final with his gritty 30/40 in that low scoring match

He performed well in u19 where he lead his team to victory by scoring in crunch situations while chasing

Then he hit broad for a few sixes in t20 at uae when our other batters were having issues in clearing the boundary.

Hammad Azam cannot be compared to umar amin. I realy feel bad for Hammad Azam, he almost did everything that he was required to do so as to seal his place in pak odi team for atleast 1 year.


So what if he bowls at 110kph. Dont ask him to bowl. I pray that he gets a chance to represent Pakistan with khair InshAllah soon.
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take a look at his career in cricinfo... he is in did well, dropped next series, then in doing decently dropped next series....
 
ask_analyse_act said:
Thanks to MISBAH and the team mgmt... haris sohail was also given chances to come at 5 and 6 intially... then in CWC ANZ he is the no.3 and all legends hiding behind him from the new ball.. MISBAH never promotes himself to no.3 too... terrible times then and now...
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Lets give Kaptaan benefit of the doubt. I mean maybe he wanted to save him from new ball etc

As for hammad azam's axing. I think maybe some powerful lobby influenced selection committee. I do not think Misbah ul Haq did that at his own whim.

Not a Misbah'ul-Haq fan, just saying

Eg nowadays some individuals are playing in our team. And its not that Sarfaraz was responsible for their selection rather someone in backdround was pulling strings
Regards
 
Xoib said:
Moin khan says he is 20.Does not matter right now he is atleast 2 seasons away from being remotley international standard also a high probablity may never amount to anything.
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There is a reasonable theory that pakistan win a lot of these under 19 under 15 tournaments, because they are all over-age
 
ask_analyse_act said:
get proper batsmen and back them... they flourish in the long run... that is what we say investing in the right horse...eg: hashim amla...
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a domestic list A average of 35 and a highest international score of 50 odd against Zim should be a representative sample, I think.
The Amla example is only valid if his List A averages were mediocre before debut: they were not.
 
pacesensation said:
Actually hammad azam showed promise and he delivered. He was instrumental in paks win against bangladesh in asia cup final with his gritty 30/40 in that low scoring match

He performed well in u19 where he lead his team to victory by scoring in crunch situations while chasing

Then he hit broad for a few sixes in t20 at uae when our other batters were having issues in clearing the boundary.

Hammad Azam cannot be compared to umar amin. I realy feel bad for Hammad Azam, he almost did everything that he was required to do so as to seal his place in pak odi team for atleast 1 year.


So what if he bowls at 110kph. Dont ask him to bowl. I pray that he gets a chance to represent Pakistan with khair InshAllah soon.
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Hammad is the type of finisher we needed after Razzaq. He has singlehandedly finish matches.

I blame Sohail Tanvir too for what he did to Hammad in Rawalpindi Rams.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
Hammad is the type of finisher we needed after Razzaq. He has singlehandedly finish matches.

I blame Sohail Tanvir too for what he did to Hammad in Rawalpindi Rams.
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He is a batsman. Its still not too late for him. He can play for atleast 5 to 7 more years. I hope he gets a chance to play for pakistan after CT
 
Umar amin has the best footwork in the country when in form , but he usually gives away his wicket with laziness.
 
some more sense prevailing, sending fahim ahead of bilal... good and keep it up Punjab, please dont do waqar at any stage...
 
Woke up to watch IPL match - Amin brought me here. Punjab has lost 5 PAK International inside 28 overs, all in single digit & this guy has scored one of the classiest 88 at 100+ SR!!!! I am sure, he won't be picked for PAK team, because he failed in ENG in 2010.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
will see Fahim first time.
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Lots of people think that Fahim Ashraf is 130- 138 kph medium pace but i think his pace range is 125 to 133

And he is a batter batsman than a bowler

I might be wrong since i could not see more of him. i only saw a few deliveries that he bowled
 
MMHS said:
Woke up to watch IPL match - Amin brought me here. Punjab has lost 5 PAK International inside 28 overs, all in single digit & this guy has scored one of the classiest 88 at 100+ SR!!!! I am sure, he won't be picked for PAK team, because he failed in ENG in 2010.
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Scored against a very toothless bowling attack. Not trying to take credit away from him though.

I think he will get a chance to play for pakistan but after CT
 
pacesensation said:
Scored against a very toothless bowling attack. Not trying to take credit away from him though.

I think he will get a chance to play for pakistan but after CT
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I am actually talking about the way he has scored the runs. Problem in PAK's batting intelligence is that batsmen are picked on their stats, not how they have scored the runs. This is the biggest reason why PAK has produced highest number of minnow bashers - players with flawed, bottom hand technique are picked on their domestics stats & they keep making stats against lower quality teams at Internationals. You take Awais Zia, Fakhar Zaman .... they'll crash BD, ZIM, SRL or WI attack, because of hitting power, with flawed technique. Afridi, MoHa & Mian has made 20 years career through this window .....

The way batsmen are picked in PAK, I can tell you that Tamim & Soumya would have never played more than handfull of International matches. Look at a batsman how he has sent the ball, not where - Technique, footwork, 360 shot making ability on either feet with proper timing is the fundamental of a batsman, temperament will come with experience (though not under Captains like Misbah, who is waiting for anyone U29 to fail once).
 
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MMHS said:
Woke up to watch IPL match - Amin brought me here. Punjab has lost 5 PAK International inside 28 overs, all in single digit & this guy has scored one of the classiest 88 at 100+ SR!!!! I am sure, he won't be picked for PAK team, because he failed in ENG in 2010.
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No, he won't be picked because of
- a highest score of 52 against zim in 19 games: most of those games in flat conditions
- a list A average of 35
- and nowhere near the top 10 of domestic cricket in the last two odi tournaments.

Nonetheless if we had to select a team basis just this match and nothing else, his would be the first name on the list
 
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strike rotation still nil
 
Pete Rose said:
No, he won't be picked because of
- a highest score of 52 against zim in 19 games: most of those games in flat conditions
- a list A average of 35
- and nowhere near the top 10 of domestic cricket in the last two odi tournaments.

Nonetheless if we had to select a team basis just this match and nothing else, his would be the first name on the list
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Coupleof years back, in this same PAK Cup, Amin scored 2 of the bst domestic hundreds I have ever seen in IND-PAK - YK was taken to WC.

He had a 44 as opener against WI in a T20, one of the classiest I have seen - next ODI match he was dropped.
 
MMHS said:
I am actually talking about the way he has scored the runs. Problem in PAK's batting intelligence is that batsmen are picked on their stats, not how they have scored the runs. This is the biggest reason why PAK has produced highest number of minnow bashers - players with flawed, bottom hand technique are picked on their domestics stats & they keep making stats against lower quality teams at Internationals. You take Awais Zia, Fakhar Zaman .... they'll crash BD, ZIM, SRL or WI attack, because of hitting power, with flawed technique. Afridi, MoHa & Mian has made 20 years career through this window .....

The way batsmen are picked in PAK, I can tell you that Tamim & Soumya would have never played more than handfull of International matches. Look at a batsman how he has sent the ball, not where - Technique, footwork, 360 shot making ability on either feet with proper timing is the fundamental of a batsman, temperament will come with experience (though not under Captains like Misbah, who is waiting for anyone U29 to fail once).
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GOod post. I think Sarkaar has an average domestic record but still was picked for BD
 
MMHS said:
I am actually talking about the way he has scored the runs. Problem in PAK's batting intelligence is that batsmen are picked on their stats, not how they have scored the runs. This is the biggest reason why PAK has produced highest number of minnow bashers - players with flawed, bottom hand technique are picked on their domestics stats & they keep making stats against lower quality teams at Internationals. You take Awais Zia, Fakhar Zaman .... they'll crash BD, ZIM, SRL or WI attack, because of hitting power, with flawed technique. Afridi, MoHa & Mian has made 20 years career through this window .....

The way batsmen are picked in PAK, I can tell you that Tamim & Soumya would have never played more than handfull of International matches. Look at a batsman how he has sent the ball, not where - Technique, footwork, 360 shot making ability on either feet with proper timing is the fundamental of a batsman, temperament will come with experience (though not under Captains like Misbah, who is waiting for anyone U29 to fail once).
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Makes sense but someone people are bashing Misbah ul Haq for destroying careers of promising youngsters.
If tht was true than sarfaraz was supposed to be responsible for ttf in pak team right now.
Its just that bad people have influence on final 11 picks. Inzi is picking new guys unlike his predecessors but inzi cannot force anyone to play young player in the final 11.

I think ttf know someone people who help them get selected in final 11 :facepalm:
 
Pete Rose said:
No, he won't be picked because of
- a highest score of 52 against zim in 19 games: most of those games in flat conditions
- a list A average of 35
- and nowhere near the top 10 of domestic cricket in the last two odi tournaments.

Nonetheless if we had to select a team basis just this match and nothing else, his would be the first name on the list
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since 2016 he has been quite decent to good in the domestics among the runs... very disappointed that he didnt get a chance in the PSL..
 
Amin is a delight to watch

He can't be worse than Shehzad and Kamran
 
Aamer Yamin seems at his most effective with the new ball, but what does he offer beyond that ? Getting hit around here.
 
ask_analyse_act said:
since 2016 he has been quite decent to good in the domestics among the runs... very disappointed that he didnt get a chance in the PSL..
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he played in psl 2016 but pitches were pathetic so could not score much. Further mgt did not utilize him good
babar azam did not score much in psl ist
 
No PAK batsman has that back lift & bat swing. In fact apart from Tamim, I doubt how many in world cricket has
 
ask_analyse_act said:
since 2016 he has been quite decent to good in the domestics among the runs... very disappointed that he didnt get a chance in the PSL..
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fact: he was not in top 10 to top 20 scorers in last two domestic odi tournaments.
 
pacesensation said:
he played in psl 2016 but pitches were pathetic so could not score much. Further mgt did not utilize him good
babar azam did not score much in psl ist
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On top of that PAK plays cricket in UAE, otherwise Amin could have been the medium pace version of MoHa. He can reach 125km & can swing the ball.
 
MMHS said:
Coupleof years back, in this same PAK Cup, Amin scored 2 of the bst domestic hundreds I have ever seen in IND-PAK - YK was taken to WC.

He had a 44 as opener against WI in a T20, one of the classiest I have seen - next ODI match he was dropped.
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Nope. He was not in the top 25 or top 30 run scoring aggregates of Pakistan Cup 2015 or 2016. Maybe this time he will perform what everyone imagines his past performance to be.
 
MMHS said:
I am actually talking about the way he has scored the runs. Problem in PAK's batting intelligence is that batsmen are picked on their stats, not how they have scored the runs. This is the biggest reason why PAK has produced highest number of minnow bashers - players with flawed, bottom hand technique are picked on their domestics stats & they keep making stats against lower quality teams at Internationals. You take Awais Zia, Fakhar Zaman .... they'll crash BD, ZIM, SRL or WI attack, because of hitting power, with flawed technique. Afridi, MoHa & Mian has made 20 years career through this window .....

The way batsmen are picked in PAK, I can tell you that Tamim & Soumya would have never played more than handfull of International matches. Look at a batsman how he has sent the ball, not where - Technique, footwork, 360 shot making ability on either feet with proper timing is the fundamental of a batsman, temperament will come with experience (though not under Captains like Misbah, who is waiting for anyone U29 to fail once).
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Agreed... That is why they cant produce elegant stylish batsmen who can score runs against top 3 sides... after MOYO, it took nearly a decade to see Babar again of the same clone...
 
MMHS said:
On top of that PAK plays cricket in UAE, otherwise Amin could have been the medium pace version of MoHa. He can reach 125km & can swing the ball.
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really! i dont think he bowls that much

I heard pcb guys saying that its expenive to play in uae. They are looking for alternative route bang lanka and eng.

Lanka does not bring lots of spectators. Eng will not rent out their top tier grounds to pakistan unless pak hires a great marketing guy who can persuade them. ( i know butt messed it up for pakistan in 2010 )

Bangladesh, about bangladesh they said that if they approve then bangladesh will bring in lots of spectators. Not sure whether bangladesh will agree to this
 
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Pakpak said:
Opinions on Amin?

His international showing was average
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He was picked to fail & that is been used as an excuse for eternity. In 2010, English summer was one of the wettest & he has sent to bat at 3 in a line up that had Frahat-Butt opener & Umar at 4. In similar condition, check what that English attack did to much vaunted Indian batting line up a year later.

Since then, I ma not sure if he has played 3 consecutive matches. Last time I saw him is in UAE - got bowled to an absolute beauty from Strac. I must add that only PAK & it's think tank can send a batsman with his core at 6 .......
 
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