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Bangladesh v England | 2nd Test | Dhaka | 20-24 Mar 2010

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Desi said:
I really don't think bangla know how to win. Even if you guys get shot out for under 200, even under 150, I'd still put my money on England.
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I would agree that Bangladesh and NZ are the two sides we could still beat if we really bombed in the first innings, and that could happen here. either way, lots of hard work to be done here to draw or win, I hope they're up to it. about time some of these players delivered when it matters, Trott hasn't done so for 5 tests.
 
Whippy what are you on about? If Bangladesh can bundle out England for less than 300 I will eat my hat. The Bangladeshi no. 10 got a 50 on this wicket. :danish
 
we've got 6 batsmen, we are average players of spin, there is scoreboard pressure.
 
well done captain cook. of all the places to hit an aerial shot, hit it to the single boundary fielder. all we need now is for KP to fluff one and we're in the poo.
 
not really. we've settled down a bit now, Pietersen looks good while Trott is doing his best 'out of form Dravid' impression.
 
anyone else watching? gahhhhhh. Trott was dropped at short leg which was a chance that sometimes gets taken, sometimes not, so no complaints there. but KP...is VERY VERY lucky to still be at the crease, LB appeal last over before tea that looked completely out to the naked eye (him being my man I of course mumbled 'out' under my breath lamentably) and to be frank I don't know how the umpire didn't give it out, hawkeye had it marginally clipping the top of middle and leg so there is maybe a bit of an excuse there, but basically, we are incredibly fortunate to have such a solid platform. Bangaldesh could look back on that session as the one that got away.

KP really needs to make this let-off and flat pitch count, because when you look at the list of averages and career runs of England batsmen on the tv coverage, it really puts it into perspective how much better he is than the others, and how we need him to be back to his run-machine best ASAP. There are only a few more tests to warm up for the decent teams (Pakistan and Australia)
 
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I feel for Trott because he is a natural #4 or #5 but he gets shunted up and down the order to try to protect KP and Bell. As if KP needs protection! Slow wicket, limited attack, test average 50 - he should be coming in ahead of Trott.
 
I wouldn't trust anyone else to open though
 
that cover drive was KP's best shot in ages
 
KP gone. another disappointing end to a promising knock, but it was a reasonably handy contribution when the innings could have subsided. hopefully JT digs in for three figures and we can get 400 of our own, because the platform has been set.
 
Rubel nips out Collingwood, a perfect full swinging delivery for a new batsman. good decision. time for Bell to deliver when the pressure is on, for once.
 
Fortunately, Bell averages 350 against the Bangles.
 
350 from Bell would be nice right now. best gameplan for England is to make 400, then skittle Bangladesh and have a chase. I still think it's difficult for us to actually lose this, we'll have to be really bad to conspire to do that.
 
England in serious trouble, if Bangla score 300 in their nxt innings they will be done for on a turning track.
 
by all accounts this is a bona-fide road, the commies think it is not even a turning track. a poor cricket wicket. someone somewhere will succeed for England, they should be fine for a draw.
 
anakin said:
England in serious trouble, if Bangla score 300 in their nxt innings they will be done for on a turning track.
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Someone will drop anchor and get a century at some point.

What this has revealed is that our second-string bowlers are not test class. Australia are going to muller us next winter.
 
Yes we are going to get a pasting in Oz. They play well at home in nearly every game and the pitches are just too flat for us. I reckon that we are at least capable of winning a match this time though :D
 
Whippy said:
by all accounts this is a bona-fide road, the commies think it is not even a turning track. a poor cricket wicket. someone somewhere will succeed for England, they should be fine for a draw.
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It will start turning at some point.
 
JT 50 up. not been pretty, but could be a vital contribution in the context of the test match.

Shakib fans. he has now bowled 22 overs and i don't care about his economy rate, I've watched the whole innings and he hasn't bowled a SINGLE threatening delivery. not ONE. out of 140 balls that is dire.
 
swann will hit a 100 and trott a double 100
bangla AO for 150 in second innings haha just joking bangla fans . . .

Whippy on wickets like these all bowlers struggle. remember aus almost lost a test in bangla with great bowlers in their side.
 
Whippy said:
JT 50 up. not been pretty, but could be a vital contribution in the context of the test match.

Shakib fans. he has now bowled 22 overs and i don't care about his economy rate, I've watched the whole innings and he hasn't bowled a SINGLE threatening delivery. not ONE. out of 140 balls that is dire.
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why will you not care about economy rate when the pitch is dead flat? bangladesh's run rate was 3.57 per over. i thought england had superior batsmen.

trott survived a catch, shakib should have gotten 2 wickets.
 
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24 overs without a threatening delivery. Cook played a daft shot and Trott was a sitting duck. 24 OVERS, that's a session's worth of bowling for nowt. never seen anything like it. even in the first innings our bowlers were better than that.
 
what are you talking about? shakib got the wicket of kevin pietersen and could have gotten more. he was tight.

batsmen of england were too scared to hit shakib out of the park, so they decided to play him defensively.

i am not saying he is the best all rounder in cricket history, i am saying he deserves a bit more respect.
 
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we do have superior batsmen, which is why we win matches and you don't. we are 400 runs behind, against completely alien and dead bowling on a hot road wicket, in other words completely opposite to home conditions, and we're holding our own here and 4-0 up on the tour. wait til you come to England and the gulf in class will be even more evident.
 
Whippy said:
we do have superior batsmen, which is why we win matches and you don't. we are 400 runs behind, against completely alien and dead bowling on a hot road wicket, in other words completely opposite to home conditions, and we're holding our own here and 4-0 up on the tour. wait til you come to England and the gulf in class will be even more evident.
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that is why they only managed to score 22 runs in 22 overs in a dead batting pitch.

we would have won matches if umpires did not rob us out. i do not blame the umpires, they want to make sure they do not get kicked from the elite panel.
 
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England don't bat well in Asia. it's a fact. they never have. the cricket is totally opposite to what they're brought up with. it's baking, attritional, unexciting. the ball doesn't come onto the bat and everything is slow and low. does not compute. for us to be 4-0 up on the tour despite this is a good effort.
 
56 more runs to avoid the follow on for england.

we need to get rid of abdur razzak from the test team. england would have scored less than 150 if it was not for abdur razzak.
 
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less point in risking it. if they can last til the end of day 3 or longer then the series is basically safe. it has been incredibly slow, but I don't see what else they could have done. we've been in situations like this in Asia, tried to push the scoreboard and ended up all holing out for 200. if that had happened here we would have been in big trouble (it still might happen)

this was always going to be a thankless tour, if England win nobody cares, if they lose everyone gets sacked. a test and ODI series win is what was required, and this is what they are after, quite professionally too.
 
Whippy said:
England don't bat well in Asia. it's a fact. they never have.
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Oh, I don't know about that, but you'd have to go back to Gower and Gatting. They got big runs on the Subcon.
 
we don't win tests in the subcontinent. must be able to count such occasions on one or two hands over the last few...decades?
 
Whippy said:
we don't win tests in the subcontinent. must be able to count such occasions on one or two hands over the last few...decades?
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Hmmmmm.... :13:

Beat India 1-2 in '84/5 series
Beat Pakistan 0-1 in 2000
Beat SL 1-2 in 2002?
Drew with India 1-1 last series
Beating Bangladesh 0-1 now.

Two hands then...... ;-)
 
wasi90lk said:
that is why they only managed to score 22 runs in 22 overs in a dead batting pitch.
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There is such a thing as playing tactically, you know! They were three down for not many at one point. It's called consolidation. And Trott is batting out of position.

England, SA and NZ sides tend to go defensive when they lose quick wickets, while Australia, India and SL will counterattack.

170-3 is a goodish position to be in. I hope one of these can go on to get a century, Prior tends to hammer the weaker test attacks.
 
Robert said:
There is such a thing as playing tactically, you know! They were three down for not many at one point. It's called consolidation. And Trott is batting out of position.

England, SA and NZ sides tend to go defensive when they lose quick wickets, while Australia, India and SL will counterattack.

170-3 is a goodish position to be in. I hope one of these can go on to get a century, Prior tends to hammer the weaker test attacks.
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shakib's bowling figure was 4-4-0-0 at one point (at that time they lost 1 wicket). so there was no "tactical" playing at any point. they simply wanted to play defensively to shakib and attack the rest of the bowlers (i think).

yes, 170-3 is not very bad. it could have been 170-5 if we were not lazy in the field. a draw for bangladesh will not be very bad (better than losing). but i hope bangladesh will play for the win.
 
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wasi90lk said:
shakib's bowling figure was 4-4-0-0 at one point (at that time they lost 1 wicket). so there was no "tactical" playing at any point. they simply wanted to play defensively to shakib and attack the rest of the bowlers (i think).
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Well, that was their tactic, then. The better batting sides have flexible tactics - this is part of how England are able to take test matches off India, Australia and SA.
 
Robert said:
Hmmmmm.... :13:

Beat India 1-2 in '84/5 series
Beat Pakistan 0-1 in 2000
Beat SL 1-2 in 2002?
Drew with India 1-1 last series
Beating Bangladesh 0-1 now.

Two hands then...... ;-)
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that was last to last series,last series you lost 1 - 0 i think ..
 
Whippy said:
we don't win tests in the subcontinent. must be able to count such occasions on one or two hands over the last few...decades?
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When you have a batsman averaging 350 against BD, needless to worry. We don't have the bowlers to take 20 English wickets. Also Swann can bat better than any Bangladeshi batsmen.
 
I am sorry but that was plumb infront. I am really frustrated now. Rubel Hossain to Matt Prior and was not given, never hear about these issues in this board. Umpires are making England win. If you have watched this entire series and take a look at all the bad decisions, no one can claim that over the series the bad decision and been evenly spread through both team. Bangladesh is being unfairly victimized with more of the wrong decisions going against them.
 
Go_Bangladesh said:
I am sorry but that was plumb infront. I am really frustrated now. Rubel Hossain to Matt Prior and was not given, never hear about these issues in this board. Umpires are making England win. If you have watched this entire series and take a look at all the bad decisions, no one can claim that over the series the bad decision and been evenly spread through both team. Bangladesh is being unfairly victimized with more of the wrong decisions going against them.
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Yup, but many here wouldn's agree with us.
 
Even the biased English commentators have beeen talking about it for about 15 minutes after the decision, they too were bemused.
 
Cheering for Bangladesh here! Comeon plz win this time. You guys are in a really good position. Bring your mascot tiger out.................for once. :)
 
How many bad decisions have gone against Bangladesh in this match? Were there any in the 1st test match?
 
kirketer, the last one was plumb. dead plumb. i have nothing to say, these umpires are just not competent.
 
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wasi90lk said:
kirketer, the last one was plumb. dead plumb. i have nothing to say, these umpires are just not competent.
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Can you load a clip?
 
a massive moment in the match. I imagine we would have crumbled pretty quickly if Prior had been given out so early in the day. as it is 112-2 is very much England's session, suddenly we are playing expansively and threatening first innings parity. with Bell, Bresnan, Swann, Broad, Tredwell, Finn I reckon we can blag at least another 100 runs. Credit to Bell for keeping his head, hopefully this is the day where finally, under pressure and when it could be a unique match-winner, he scores that big hundred.

The plan to build a platform yesterday and then push on with wickets in hand now looks like a good one for England - Trott's early wicket was a blessing in disguise, as it set the wheels in motion. I'm genuinely embarrassed about how much we've profited from the Prior and Pietersen LBWs though...two shockers. really sorry, not even being sarcastic either, we are the luckiest team everrrrrr.
 
we scored at nearly 6 an over against the new ball. this changed the game.
 
Geordie Ahmed said:
So no referrals being used?

Who decides what series it is used for?
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The home board. So if the Bangladeshis have any issues with the umpiring, its no one's fault but their own!
 
this is ridiculous, bresnan survived another catch appeal. i am wondering how come england does not get a single bad decision (we got 3 already)?

ShehryarK said:
The home board. So if the Bangladeshis have any issues with the umpiring, its no one's fault but their own!
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are umpires really that blind to give 5 bad decisions for one team and literally no bad decision for another team? why does icc keep sending incompetent umpires?
 
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barely hundred behind now. cmon lads. this is what test cricket is all about - skill in the face of adversity.
 
bell survived another lbw appeal, it was hitting leg stump.
 
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wasi90lk said:
why does icc keep sending incompetent umpires?
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Unfortunately, most umpires aren't that good - except for the couple of top ones.

Which is why using technology to minimise errors, and remove howlers is essential. The ICC should make it mandatory in all forms of cricket (not just in a few Tests as currently in vogue).
 
ShehryarK said:
Unfortunately, most umpires aren't that good - except for the couple of top ones.

Which is why using technology to minimise errors, and remove howlers is essential. The ICC should make it mandatory in all forms of cricket (not just in a few Tests as currently in vogue).
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it is funny that umpires are giving not a single bad decision against england. we already got 4 bad decisions today (it is not tea yet).
 
Well they are the batting side, so maybe the umpires are giving the benefit to the batsmen.

But I think what's more likely is that the umpires are just making some outrageous errors.

I am not watching the match so cannot really comment on the specifics any more than this.
 
ShehryarK said:
Well they are the batting side, so maybe the umpires are giving the benefit to the batsmen.

But I think what's more likely is that the umpires are just making some outrageous errors.

I am not watching the match so cannot really comment on the specifics any more than this.
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when we were batting, tamim (one of our best batsmen) got out to a controversial catch. the ball hit his forearm, how come we did not get the benefit of the doubt?

this game reminds me of the infamous "pakistan vs england" test, where daryl harper was giving wrong decisions.
 
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im following the score on cricinfo ,read the umpiring has been a bit poor...?
poor decisions or 50/50's??
 
sakss said:
im following the score on cricinfo ,read the umpiring has been a bit poor...?
poor decisions or 50/50's??
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one bad decision is not a big deal, how can you explain 4 bad decisions within 60 overs? 1 of the shouts was dead plumb, another catch should have been given by any sane umpire.
 
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umpiring standards have dropped drastically in the last few years...


Would be interesting to see how much Bell averages vs other teams excluding Bangla and windies.
 
sakss said:
Would be interesting to see how much Bell averages vs other teams excluding Bangla and windies.
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Not many! :)))

To be fair to Bell he has a 199 against SA, and did get big runs in Pakistan against a rampaging Shoaib.
 
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Robert said:
Not many! :)))

To be fair to Bell he has a 199 against SA, and did get big runs in Pakistan against a rampaging Shoaib.
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ya i remember that tournament against pak :)

He does get sme runs which seems to keep in the team ..otherwise he doesnt look impressive at all
 
he has been getting better IMO, got a very important 70 in SA, a very very important 70 in the 5th Ashes test in August, and I know this hundred is against Bangladesh but we would have been jiggered without it.
 
woooo only 49 behind now. if we can score at 4 an over for the rest of the day we will have a handy lead building up :) win is still on.
 
4 plumb outs not given. Well done umpires. Don't know why England bothered showing up, the umpires should have played against us.
 
The 4 decisions that went against us clearly demoralized the boys, remember they are all around 20 - 23, not matured yet so by the sign of their body language they gave up. England and the umpires have ruined us yet again, if this happened against India the umpires would have been sacked and effigies of Hill and Tucker would be burning.
 
This is just ridiculous! Even the English commentators are saying that the players should begin to question the umpires.

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Shakib Al Hasan to Bresnan, no run, oh dear, another decision goes against Bangladesh. Bresnan leant forward and this pitched and spun via a clear inside edge on to the pad and looping up to silly point. Bangladesh were very confident but again they have been wrongly denied.
 
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This game seem to be turning into a bore draw zzzzz!
 
England are the most boring International team there is! It is a crime to go under 3 an over in this wicket against this bowling attack. Players like Trott, Bell are horrible to watch. With no Flintoff and KP sidelined England has no flair, Ponting was right.
 
This is appalling from England at the moment, haven't scored a run for some 15 balls, some credit to the Bangladeshis for keeping a tight rein, but where's the intent?

For England a draw would be an embarrassment against this young Bangladeshi side, flat wicket it may be but they should still be far too good. When you consider they've had good fortune with some decisions it makes it look even worse.

Still a lot of cricket left in this test, but someones gotta wake up the snoozing spectators before they ask for their money back.
 
I am SO bored. worst game and wicket ever. we have pretty much guaranteed a series win today, but it has not been pretty.

quick note...to be fair, people have to stop calling the English commentators biased all the time. I know Willis is a fool, but nobody cares about him or Botham. Bumble is awesome, and Atherton in particular a fantastic and objective commentator, Nasser is quality, Knight isn't too bad, and Mann, Hughes, Butcher, Cork (in fact the whole English TMS team) have spent the whole day talking about how rubbish the umpires are, and how dull and substandard England are.
 
On English commentators, I find Bob Willis incredibly dull and it seems that he is doing commentary because he has to not because he enjoys it. Botham and Hussain have a touch of arrogance about them which I hate when listening to them. I didn't like Atherton's commentary at the start of the series when he kept on complaining about the traffic instead of analysing a cricket match but now I enjoy listening to him. And I have always been a fan of David Lloyd, he is a good man.
 
Bresnan and Trott have taken 200+ balls each to add fifties, that's not good enough.
 
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