Bangladesh v England | 2nd Test | Dhaka | 20-24 Mar 2010

[James]

Broad has really lost his touch as a batsman. can't remember him contributing with the bat for ages. looks like it will be a small lead, but better than the 150 run deficit i was expecting.

 

[Amjid Javed]

The quicker england get bowled out the better the chances of a postive result in this game rather then a bore draw!

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Broad has really lost his touch as a batsman. can't remember him contributing with the bat for ages. looks like it will be a small lead, but better than the 150 run deficit i was expecting.

The umpires made sure you guys give some sort of a lead.

 

[Equinox]

Not a bad way to end the day.

 

[Equinox]

We need to bat the whole day tomorrow and give England 280+ to chase on Day 5 to have any chance of a positive result in our favour.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Bresnan doesn't deserve a hundred, he was clearly out. Hope he gets out on 99.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

We need to bat the whole day tomorrow and give England 280+ to chase on Day 5 to have any chance of a positive result in our favour.

First we need to get 4 wickets, (2 english wickets = 4)

 

[James]

we probably deserve a deficit, but was always gonna be a bore draw either way. if this was Flintoff, Anderson, Broad, Swann and Onions i'd back us to knock them over cheaply in 2nd innings. as it is we have Swann, an injured and out-of-form Broad and never mind about the rest.

 

[mastermind_quad]

this match is heading for a draw....with the help from Umpire...but it seems England have decided from start they will go for a draw.....it would always be better if 4 batsman got 100 in an inning if to play for draw....anways hard luck Bangla ...but to draw a test against England is always positive rather then loss.....i hope a better show from a class batting from Bangla with some brain ...go for the draw and make atleast 2 100's in 2nd Innning......

 

[mastermind_quad]

we probably deserve a deficit, but was always gonna be a bore draw either way. if this was Flintoff, Anderson, Broad, Swann and Onions i'd back us to knock them over cheaply in 2nd innings. as it is we have Swann, an injured and out-of-form Broad and never mind about the rest.

Broad is never effective in sub continent condition either In-form or Out-of-Form

 

[James]

I agree but he's particularly bad when obviously not fit.

 

[Muhammad]

Approach from England in the last session was very disappointing.

It may be dull, but it'll be a fine achievement for Bangladesh to draw this match, they've been getting hammered by pretty much all comers in similarly oppressive conditions.

Progress comes in small steps.

 

[James]

this is why they are thankless tours. no matter what the higher ranked team does it will get criticised. we are on the verge of winning the tour 4-0 (very easily) and yet all England will get is questions and points of concern, whilst Bangladesh will be applauded for drawing one match. I'm not complaining on my own behalf, I can just see why cricketers hate playing Bangladesh.

 

[Muhammad]

I can just see why cricketers hate playing Bangladesh.

Doubt Ian Bell and the other batters would agree with you!!!

But to be honest playing such weak oppo you are on a hiding to nothing.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Ideal scenario would be bangladesh gaining a lead of 220-50 and then england to try and chase it down on last day on a wearing wicket!

 

[Go_Bangladesh]

this is why they are thankless tours. no matter what the higher ranked team does it will get criticised. we are on the verge of winning the tour 4-0 (very easily) and yet all England will get is questions and points of concern, whilst Bangladesh will be applauded for drawing one match. I'm not complaining on my own behalf, I can just see why cricketers hate playing Bangladesh.

No cricketer hates playing, having reading interviews of subcontinent players and non subcontinent players, everyone enjoyes the Bangladesh hospitality and enjoyes playing cricket in our conditions.

 

[Go_Bangladesh]

Have you guys noticed how these South Africans fans say that we leave the forums when Bangladesh loose against England and dont have face critisism about our team but the two South African in this board have not once discussed the bad decisions that they have been favored with. They were on about how quick and essestial Kevin Pietersen's innings was but did not once mention that he was given a life by the umpirs, these werent even close calls they were dead on.

 

[James]

I referred to the rubbish umpiring decisions numerous times.

 

[Poison]

There has been an unbelievable amount of whinging from Bangali's I know in real life and on this forum. Get over it!

 

[Robert]

it seems England have decided from start they will go for a draw.....

Hardly, since they went in with only five batters this time. Nothing less than two wins out of two would be a good result for them. As it is their second-string bowlers have been exposed.

Looks like Bres has justified his positioning at #7, though.

 

[ali_ed2006]

Have to say after watching the clip of umpiring decisions, Bangladesh have been quite unlucky in this match!

 

[Bangla Tiger]

this is why they are thankless tours. no matter what the higher ranked team does it will get criticised. we are on the verge of winning the tour 4-0 (very easily) and yet all England will get is questions and points of concern, whilst Bangladesh will be applauded for drawing one match. I'm not complaining on my own behalf, I can just see why cricketers hate playing Bangladesh.

what a sore loser!

 

[Robert]

what a sore loser!

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Err, how many games have Bangladesh beaten England in this tour?

Or ever?

 

[pak4life]

Have to say after watching the clip of umpiring decisions, Bangladesh have been quite unlucky in this match!

Thats what happens when the mediocre umpires are left to officiate test matches. The two best umpires rauf and dar are in new zealand and the others are in india earning their dollars. Tony Hill is up their amongst the worst umpires.

 

[Go_Bangladesh]

what a sore loser!

I know he is such a sore loser. He is very loud in his criticism of Bangladesh and praise for his South African team. Now when we point out something against his South African team, he barely discusses it. And on top that he accuses us of doing the same thing. I remember in one of the discussions in PP, we are discussing cricket and he goes on about how superior his South African team is and has the bitterest words for our cricket (which I must say was valid in the scope of the discussion and I am not disagreeing with his point on our performances) but finishes his sentance by taking a dig at us being a poor country by mentionning how superior the facilities are in England compared to Bangladesh which was not in the scope of that discussion (we werent discussing infrastrcture), it was just his cheap shot at Bangladesh.

 

[Go_Bangladesh]

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Err, how many games have Bangladesh beaten England in this tour?

Or ever?

your lack of understanding of a simple sentance is proof why England cannot find English born cricketers. Anyways...
He meant the post was of loser mentality which I agree with. The statement you made was completely out of the scope of what was being discussed.

 

[mastermind_quad]

Hardly, since they went in with only five batters this time. Nothing less than two wins out of two would be a good result for them. As it is their second-string bowlers have been exposed.

Looks like Bres has justified his positioning at #7, though.

Big No....England thought they can win this test very easily with there mediocre bowling line up....when Bangladeshi batsman put up a good show in 1st session on first day then they decided to go safest route i.e., draw ....i have seen how England batsman didn't attack Sakib and other bowlers...and if Umpire have given 2 out of those 4 decisions in the favor of Ban,Ban would have batted today ...

Yes Bres has justified his position...but with the help of Umpires......!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bangla Tiger]

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Err, how many games have Bangladesh beaten England in this tour?

Or ever?

well there's a good answer for that:

"mohammad rafique was out of form"

"mashrafee was oft-injured"

"we had a second string side"

"many matches were in english conditions"

"we only played 5 batsmen"

"bangladeshi cricketers don't like playing against england but do so anyway"

"ashraful was out of form"

"english weather was too cold"

"we failed to recruit half our team from south africa"

 

[ali_ed2006]

Bangladesh is still not out of this match as of yet. This will be a big test for them whether they can compete for the full match or not. If they fail in 2nd innings then all the hard work and effort will go down the drain.

 

[Bangla Tiger]

Bangladesh is still not out of this match as of yet. This will be a big test for them whether they can compete for the full match or not. If they fail in 2nd innings then all the hard work and effort will go down the drain.

given the atrocious officiating of the match, i will be pleased with a draw. even a draw will punish those critics of bangladesh who refuse to accept the unequal playing fields that the ICC have turned a blind eye to. the ICC is destroying test cricket by allowing the big 4 boards to hold the game hostage, and victimizing ALL non-white teams via poor umpiring decisions.

if a match is drawn in Delhi or Nagpur - its bad for cricket. if a turning track is prepared in colombo against SA, Eng, or AUS ... its cowardly and bad for cricket.

but if 2000 runs a scored in a ashe's test...then god forbid, anyone for questioning the batting ability of the flat track bullies involved.

 

[James]

If the few Banglas all hate us already then summer v Pakistan is going to be fun on the forum

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

given the atrocious officiating of the match, i will be pleased with a draw. even a draw will punish those critics of bangladesh who refuse to accept the unequal playing fields that the ICC have turned a blind eye to. the ICC is destroying test cricket by allowing the big 4 boards to hold the game hostage, and victimizing ALL non-white teams via poor umpiring decisions.

if a match is drawn in Delhi or Nagpur - its bad for cricket. if a turning track is prepared in colombo against SA, Eng, or AUS ... its cowardly and bad for cricket.

but if 2000 runs a scored in a ashe's test...then god forbid, anyone for questioning the batting ability of the flat track bullies involved.

Ashes is overrated.

 

[Go_Bangladesh]

You would think that after so many years of playing the game, this is their 897th test match, and Ian Botham is the only exciting player they produced. All their players are boring to watch. The exciting ones are either South African or Irish.

 

[mastermind_quad]

If the few Banglas all hate us already then summer v Pakistan is going to be fun on the forum

I hope Pakistan will show your batsman true class.....

 

[Go_Bangladesh]

yeah its true, If Pakistan play to their potential, they will thrash England.

 

[Khabri420]

Abdur Razzak bowled well to wrap up England's innings. Was getting really boring watching them bat

 

[azfar wali]

Terdwell gone

Bangladesh doing well

 

[azfar wali]

Bangladesh needs to give england around 220-250 to chase for that at least one of the bangla batsman will need to score a century.

 

[James]

effectively 9/2, can England finish the job?

 

[James]

3 down now

 

[Robert]

given the atrocious officiating of the match, i will be pleased with a draw. even a draw will punish those critics of bangladesh who refuse to accept the unequal playing fields that the ICC have turned a blind eye to. the ICC is destroying test cricket by allowing the big 4 boards to hold the game hostage, and victimizing ALL non-white teams via poor umpiring decisions.

All Bangladesh had to do was stump up for the referral system.

but if 2000 runs a scored in a ashe's test...then god forbid, anyone for questioning the batting ability of the flat track bullies involved.

No Ashes test has ever seen 2000 runs scored. And when there is a high scoring draw we would say "the pitch is too flat for a result".

But this current match is not going to be drawn.

 

[Robert]

effectively 9/2, can England finish the job?

Yeah, expect a win in the final session tomorrow.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Bangla effectively 30/3

I can see them losing this match. Usual thing from them compete for 3/4 of a game and then throw it away with 1 or 2 sessions poor cricket.

 

[Turbokam512]

116/3

very unlucky Junaid siddique

"Tredwell to Junaid Siddique, OUT, 49.3 mph, oh dear, unlucky for Siddique! He drives firmly off the back foot into Cook's boot, who was taking evasive action at silly point, it looped gently back to Tredwell to collect his first wicket of the innings. Desperate misfortune for Siddique and Bangladesh really wobbling now.
Junaid Siddique c & b Tredwell 34 (113b 5x4 0x6) SR: 30.08"

 

[Amjid Javed]

Bangladesh will need to post 300 atleast here. lead 200+ to even attempt to stay in the game. Time for a bangla batsmen to step up!

 

[Robert]

The level of whingeing by the Bangla posters is becoming farcical.

 

[James]

Ah my usual setup. TMS commentary and live video streaming. I slept through the first 2 sessions but TMS says we dropped 5 catches? Bangladesh...unluckiest team ever indeed. 53/4 and looking good.

 

[Equinox]

Tim Bresnan has been England's best bowler in this series.

 

[Equinox]

My Test XI against England in May:
Tamim Iqbal
Zohirul Islam
Zunaed Siddique
Mushfiqur Rahim
Mahmudullah
Naeem Islam
Shakib Al Hasan*
Dhiman Ghosh+
Shafiul Islam
Shahadat Hossain
Rubel Hossain

 

[Amjid Javed]

Tim Bresnan has been England's best bowler in this series.

Pretty much somes up how poor Banglas batting has been then!

 

[Amjid Javed]

England just need to keep slowly chipping away with wickets and they will end up with an expect 2-0 win and a satisfactory end to the tour.

 

[Muhammad]

Pretty much somes up how poor Banglas batting has been then!

A bit harsh, on Bresnan that is, he has bowled pretty well this series and comfortably been their best seamer.

 

[Robert]

Bangles effectively 70-4 now.

 

[Luton Bad Boy]

England just need to keep slowly chipping away with wickets and they will end up with an expect 2-0 win and a satisfactory end to the tour.

If Bangladesh muster a draw from them, that must be a victory for them...

However, I see Broad and Swann to return and take these wickets and England will be chasing a small total tomorrow (140 odd)

 

[anakin]

I see a proper draw on the cards!!! both sides don't have the bowling to finish it off in 1 day

 

[Equinox]

Pretty much somes up how poor Banglas batting has been then!

I would usually agree as I am not a big fan of Bresnan but he has outbowled Broad by miles. He was able to get reverse swing (although not as much as Rubel) and also got the ball to bounce on this surface. I have been impressed by him. He did well in the ODIs as well.

 

[Robert]

I would usually agree as I am not a big fan of Bresnan but he has outbowled Broad by miles. He was able to get reverse swing (although not as much as Rubel) and also got the ball to bounce on this surface. I have been impressed by him. He did well in the ODIs as well.

He's taken his chance well and may have a chance of getting on the plane to Australia.

 

[Robert]

I see a proper draw on the cards!!! both sides don't have the bowling to finish it off in 1 day

Bangles basically 80-5 with a day and a bit left. I think England will win this.

 

[Robert]

Bangles six down now and sinking to another defeat.

They just don't seem to understand how to bat in test cricket.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Bangles six down now and sinking to another defeat.

They just don't seem to understand how to bat in test cricket.

They do seem to know how to bat but not consistanly. Yet another test where they have competed for 3/4 days and then thrown away all hard work with 1/2 sessions of inept batting or bowling.

Until the irradicate that problem they wont get postive results!

 

[James]

4 wickets in the morning and 150 runs in the afternoon. you never know...but should be ok.

 

[James]

He's taken his chance well and may have a chance of getting on the plane to Australia.

he has proved me wrong so far. if he gets in the sides for the summer he could really do something. the plump fella is gonna get SLEDGGGED if he goes to Aus though

 

[Robert]

They do seem to know how to bat but not consistanly.

They seem stuck in ODI mode. Their domestic structure should change, or they should get jobs for English counties, else they will keep getting out for 80 off 80 balls instead of 150 off 250.

As for their bowling, there is no quick answer but by piling on the runs they can at least create 'scoreboard pressure'.

 

[wasi90lk]

i think we can draw this test match. shakib and naeem should be able to hang around until lunch, shafiul can bat too. if they can bat 40 more overs and set a target of around 200, a draw is possible.

 

[Seen Sheen]

another 70-80 runs from tail could make this match a bit interesting,chasing anything over 150 is not that easy on 5th day especially in sub-continent...

 

[Amjid Javed]

They seem stuck in ODI mode. Their domestic structure should change, or they should get jobs for English counties, else they will keep getting out for 80 off 80 balls instead of 150 off 250.

As for their bowling, there is no quick answer but by piling on the runs they can at least create 'scoreboard pressure'.

Rob,

Lets be realistic how many Counties are queuing up to sign Bangladesh players? Not many.

Domestically yes the structure needs to change and more emphasis needs to be put on 3/4 day cricket. Sadly this is not done enough in Asia.

Compared to a few years ago their batsmen are showing more application then they did before. They use to get rolled over fun but now atleast they are competetative even if they are still losing. I think Mentally these players need to prove because they lose concentration easily when well set or just get bogged down and dont think about strike rotation etc.. I guess its a learning curve that they need to grip very quickly.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Bangladesh will need to bat atleast 2 sessions to save this game. I cant see it happening even if they got 200 ahead i can see england chasing it in 50 overs or so!

 

[Amir]

Rob,

Lets be realistic how many Counties are queuing up to sign Bangladesh players? Not many.

Domestically yes the structure needs to change and more emphasis needs to be put on 3/4 day cricket. Sadly this is not done enough in Asia.

Compared to a few years ago their batsmen are showing more application then they did before. They use to get rolled over fun but now atleast they are competetative even if they are still losing. I think Mentally these players need to prove because they lose concentration easily when well set or just get bogged down and dont think about strike rotation etc.. I guess its a learning curve that they need to grip very quickly.

I agree with Rob and you at the same time (on not many opportunities). They can still start at grade cricket though. Get experienced in swinging conditions and who knows, maybe they will be picked up after showing some class in lower leagues?

 

[Oxy]

Bangladesh should be looking towards their other neighbours on learning how to bat!

Instaed they seem to be following the Pak batting model on self-destruction

Tamin Iqbal could be owning England - with BIG hundreds and consistent big score, but he seems to want to entertain rather than help Bang post huge scores

 

[Amjid Javed]

I agree with Rob and you at the same time (on not many opportunities). They can still start at grade cricket though. Get experienced in swinging conditions and who knows, maybe they will be picked up after showing some class in lower leagues?

I guess minor county cricket in UK or Club cricket would be a way to go. However problem there is standard of oppostion etc.. you get exposure to conditions but not always against decent quality players which can be a hinderance.

 

[Go_Bangladesh]

Ah my usual setup. TMS commentary and live video streaming. I slept through the first 2 sessions but TMS says we dropped 5 catches? Bangladesh...unluckiest team ever indeed. 53/4 and looking good.

Ohh please, cut the effective crap, effectively your South African immigrants scored approximately 210 extra runs because absolute stone wall decisions have gone against us.

 

[Robert]

Ohh please, cut the effective crap, effectively your South African immigrants scored approximately 210 extra runs because absolute stone wall decisions have gone against us.

Your cricket board should have paid for the referral system then.

As our coach Andy Flower points out, the weaker side tends to get the wrong decisions. He should know, playing for Zimbabwe.

 

[Bangla Tiger]

Bangles six down now and sinking to another defeat.

They just don't seem to understand how to bat in test cricket.

the RR was never above 3 this innings as oppossed to the first innings blitz. it was just a matter of not being good enough this time around. i can't say i blame them at all.

there is still an outside chance of a draw, but it all depends on shakib and naeem.

 

[Bangla Tiger]

All Bangladesh had to do was stump up for the referral system.

agreed. i'm not blaming the english in any way for the umpires fiasco...just saying that that has drastically changed the color of the match from possible english loss, to highly possible english draw to whatever will happen which is likely an english win.

No Ashes test has ever seen 2000 runs scored. And when there is a high scoring draw we would say "the pitch is too flat for a result".

But this current match is not going to be drawn.

you might say that but your friend whippy was just bragging about how by the end of the year english and aussie batsmen will lead the run scorers chart. which means that either the pitches will be flat or they'll get 10 innings more than anyone else to bat. granted he has a point about the bangladeshi batsmen's places there, but if one is going to do it himself, don't complain about flat pitches or number of matches played. don't say anything at all.

 

[Equinox]

Andrew Miller has hinted that Tamim is on the radar of a few English counties. If he can impress in the tour next month then I think he will seal a County deal. Shakib has been signed already by Northampton and I sincerely hope Mushfiq gets a chance as well. These three are our core and the team will be built around them in the years to come.

 

[lethalyorker]

Bd need to bat another 40 overs to be safe of drawing this game or even possibly winning it.

 

[James]

Mushy is actually ace. apart from Broad's spot-on spell today we haven't had a a clue against him. unfortunately after his numerous stellar innings he was due a failure (test cricket often works by law of averages, sometimes beneficially and sometimes cruelly) and today was not his day. but he will be back. I tell you what, a top 6 that includes Tamim, Siddique, Mushy, Shakib in the right order could actually do something

 

[Equinox]

Mushy is actually ace. apart from Broad's spot-on spell today we haven't had a a clue against him. unfortunately after his numerous stellar innings he was due a failure (test cricket often works by law of averages, sometimes beneficially and sometimes cruelly) and today was not his day. but he will be back. I tell you what, a top 6 that includes Tamim, Siddique, Mushy, Shakib in the right order could actually do something

Siddique still has some technical issues which Siddons needs to sort out and I expect him to struggle in England. I am also impressed with Zohirul, not many Bangladeshis are comfortable against the short ball when they start their careers. After Siddons is through with him he can become the long-awaited partner for Tamim. But you are spot on

 

[Robert]

Andrew Miller has hinted that Tamim is on the radar of a few English counties. If he can impress in the tour next month then I think he will seal a County deal. .

He will be a big help for a county side in the shorter game, and they will teach him how to bat long in the four day stuff, which can only help the Bangla team.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

it really was a case of deja Pakistan this morning. A Bangladesh implosion that their Pak counterparts would be proud of.