Bangladesh v England | 2nd Test | Dhaka | Oct 28-Nov 1, 2016 | Day 2

[Aman]

Actually, quite predictable - this is probably 6th or 7th time, a Test match against BD is decided by the tail. LO cricket doesn't need bowling concentration - you can choke a side with run rate pressure - from the body language of the boys, I was expecting something like this.

True, only quality sides are able to be ruthless and finish the job.

That's why we have dropped a lot of matches the last few years despite being in good positions,

 

[Aman]

English tail will be tasked in India, I can tell you. Once 5 down, Ash & Jad 'll bowl with 6-3 field on absolute dead straight - every ball you have to play & on stick. Since 8th wicket - how many wicket taking ball was there? They are just waiting for English tail to throw the towel.

Do you think England are any chance in India?

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

We gotta kick out Shuvagata, Riyadh, Mushfiq, Kamrul from test. In Mosaddek, Nasir Hossain, Liton Das and Shahid. Taijul out and another pacer.

No Mustafiz and Taskin, don't want to destroy them for meaningless test.

 

[MMHS]

Do you think England are any chance in India?

NO.

If they win 5 toss, may be 1-4 or at max 2-3. On the wicket here, by now, ENG would have been 151/7 at the end of Day 2, facing 383 ..........

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Do you think England are any chance in India?

Let's just say Rashid will score a double ton with his bowling.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

English tail will be tasked in India, I can tell you. Once 5 down, Ash & Jad 'll bowl with 6-3 field on absolute dead straight - every ball you have to play & on stick. Since 8th wicket - how many wicket taking ball was there? They are just waiting for English tail to throw the towel.

I don't think we have any pacer in BD who can clean the tail.

 

[Haroon786]

England take the lead.

 

[Big Mac]

Good captaincy from Mushfiqur. He obviously reads PP and saw the criticism Misbah received for being too reliant on Yasir and not bowling Nawaz so decided that, rather than win the game, he should give everyone a bowl and let England take a first innings lead.

 

[Slog]

Good captaincy from Mushfiqur. He obviously reads PP and saw the criticism Misbah received for being too reliant on Yasir and not bowling Nawaz so decided that, rather than win the game, he should give everyone a bowl and let England take a first innings lead.

He obviously needs to work on his comprehension and reading skills then because he clearly didn't understand that a situation where you have a 450 run lead and some of your main bowlers are struggling to take wickets is different from the situation which he find himself in where England were 8 down and still trailing

 

[Robert]

England never was that good in spin. Murali, Warne, Vettori got lots of wickets against them

The first two were champions. I don't remember Vettori ever doing much though.

Plenty of England batters have been fine players of spin- Boycott, Gooch, Gower, Gatting, Botham, Atherton, Thorpe, KP, Cook, Root.

And apparently Woakes too

 

[MMHS]

I don't think we have any pacer in BD who can clean the tail.

Ash & Jad are not pacers man. At 149/8 what we needed was tight left arm spin from both ends & complete shut down of singles - go for big hit or dot. Test is almost gone, I can tell you. Only hope is that ENG will bat 4th, that's probably worth of 35-50 here.

 

[pakistani pride]

The first two were champions. I don't remember Vettori ever doing much though.

Plenty of England batters have been fine players of spin- Boycott, Gooch, Gower, Gatting, Botham, Atherton, Thorpe, KP, Cook, Root.

And apparently Woakes too

Cook has been so so since that win in india. Even Lyon got him a few times last year.

Also now he is having a hard time.

 

[MMHS]

How many bowling changes made in this pair?

 

[Junaids]

I still think that England has a chance in India.

These two Tests are brilliant preparation. And it's clear that Ballance has to go and I'm unconvinced by Duckett.

I'd be looking at:

1 Cook
2 Hameed
3 Root
4 Bairstow (not keeping)
5 Ali
6 Stokes
7 Buttler (wk)
8 Ansari
9 Rashid
10 Broad
11 Batty

 

[Hasan123]

I still think that England has a chance in India.

These two Tests are brilliant preparation. And it's clear that Ballance has to go and I'm unconvinced by Duckett.

I'd be looking at:

1 Cook
2 Hameed
3 Root
4 Bairstow (not keeping)
5 Ali
6 Stokes
7 Buttler (wk)
8 Ansari
9 Rashid
10 Broad
11 Batty

Looool where is Woakes?

 

[Robert]

I still think that England has a chance in India.

These two Tests are brilliant preparation. And it's clear that Ballance has to go and I'm unconvinced by Duckett.

I'd be looking at:

1 Cook
2 Hameed
3 Root
4 Bairstow (not keeping)
5 Ali
6 Stokes
7 Buttler (wk)
8 Ansari
9 Rashid
10 Broad
11 Batty

No Woakieee?

 

[Robert]

I still favour the Bangles despite this small lead. The ball is shooting along the deck and England must bat last.

 

[Big Mac]

I still think that England has a chance in India.

These two Tests are brilliant preparation. And it's clear that Ballance has to go and I'm unconvinced by Duckett.

I'd be looking at:

1 Cook
2 Hameed
3 Root
4 Bairstow (not keeping)
5 Ali
6 Stokes
7 Buttler (wk)
8 Ansari
9 Rashid
10 Broad
11 Batty

India would be licking their lips if they saw that XI at the coin toss.

 

[Ab Fan]

So 44 from Rashid and 46 from Woakes.

40% of Bangladesh total has been scored by no. 8 and 9 combined.

With a lead of 22 runs, England would have to get Bangladesh all out at less than 200. A 225+ score won't be easy batting in 4th inning against their spinners.

 

[MMHS]

I still think that England has a chance in India.

These two Tests are brilliant preparation. And it's clear that Ballance has to go and I'm unconvinced by Duckett.

I'd be looking at:

1 Cook
2 Hameed
3 Root
4 Bairstow (not keeping)
5 Ali
6 Stokes
7 Buttler (wk)
8 Ansari
9 Rashid
10 Broad
11 Batty

Boss, you said same thing before NZ Series. Let's accept one thing first - IND at home is damn good, almost untouchable, since I don't know what PAK will do there. If any team can stand against that spin pain on those wickets, it's PAK.

Now, coming too IND-ENG; trust me, batting 2nd, ENG has no chance. Last time ENG won 2 Tests batting 2nd, because they 2 out standing batsmen in KP & Cook in brilliant form. ENG's only chance is to bat first & get a target over 200 in 4th innings - if they can do that 5 times, at least they'll win 1 or may be 2 Tests.

Now, your team is not going to do anything against ENG. You have picked 2 Offie against an Indian side which might have 11 right handers - so, first think - NO Batty, Root can be the back-up offie.

Then you have dropped Woakes, who probably will make the team as batsman. 3rd, you have picked that Ansari guy for his batting - Indians play better left-arm spinners in their gulli cricket. And, I am not convinced with his batting against Ash/Jad. By the way, Jaddu, in India is a bit better bowler than Santner boy & a bit more valuable Test cricketer - the more respect ENG gives to him than you, it'll be better for them.

Your top 7 is fine, because I have no options - personally, I'll pick Bell over Hameed, but that's out of option. Woakes has to bat at 8 & he'll take the new ball with Jimmy - if Jimmy is out, bring someone who can swing the ball - Berbi or Plunket is not going to much harm. Stokes is excellent option for 2nd/3rd seemer, hence, I might not play 3 pacers at all if Jimmy is not fit, rather, I'll play one more batsman. Simple reason is, low scoring Tests are won by small margin - there is no point taking bowlers for the sake of it - we lost CTG Test (& probably this one as well) because we played 9 & 10 players - those 2 pacers & here the pacer & Hom is absolutely wastage of spot. Posters might laugh, but I'll play Samit Patel at No. 9 - can bowl decent tight left-arm on rank turners, but can hit some meaty blows with tail.

Ideally, ENG should call Monty - Moeen, Monty, Adil + Woakes & Stokes (& Root, if required) + 6 batsmen including Josh (& Bell) - that's a good English side. When Jimmy returns, then we'll see whom to drop.

 

[MMHS]

I still favour the Bangles despite this small lead. The ball is shooting along the deck and England must bat last.

Hope so met; but I am disgusted with Mushfiq. Last Test, he should have noticed that Cook bowled 16 overs with Stokes/Moeen then Stokes/Berbi & kept things tight against tail - here this idiot has used probably 7 bowlers in 20 spells!!!!

This is preciously because of playing only ODI cricket, where you don't need to take wickets - restricting runs works & every BD Captain is master of that - choking scores & put score board pressure. I can tell you, if ENG gets a target below 200, again the same choking mode will win then this Test. That almost cost us the 2nd ODI, but in ODI, balls are limited, hence once you have to go after - so we got out of jail.

 

[Junaids]

No Woakieee?

Yep, no Woakes.

I know that Bayliss wants three quicks and three spinners but that means no Batty - and Batty is the only spinner who can control the scoring rate.

You need Moeen Ali, Zafar Ansari and Adil Rashid as much for their batting as their bowling.

Similarly with the bowling, Broad has to play and Stokes plays as much for his batting as his bowling.

So I have a choice between Batty and Woakes. And I am going with Batty.

 

[MMHS]

This pair has to put 50 - then that 9th pair impact will be normalized.

 

[MMHS]

We should have sent a right hander to open with Tamim - 3 left-handers (4 in top 5) is bringing Moeen from 1st over.

 

[HitWicket]

Yep, no Woakes.

I know that Bayliss wants three quicks and three spinners but that means no Batty - and Batty is the only spinner who can control the scoring rate.

You need Moeen Ali, Zafar Ansari and Adil Rashid as much for their batting as their bowling.

Similarly with the bowling, Broad has to play and Stokes plays as much for his batting as his bowling.

So I have a choice between Batty and Woakes. And I am going with Batty.

Out of interest why do you feel the need for Ansari? I'd go with the same bowling attack from the first test.

 

[Junaids]

Out of interest why do you feel the need for Ansari? I'd go with the same bowling attack from the first test.

Because I want a slow left-armer in the team.

And Ansari probably has even more batting potential than Moeen Ali. I think he's a better cricketer than Jadeja, just much less experienced in the conditions.

 

[Justcrazy]

Rashid and woakes partnership can be the difference.

 

[MMHS]

Rashid and woakes partnership can be the difference.

Still awaken?

That partnership actually normalizes the 2nd wicket partnership (170 @ 4.5 on this wicket is like gold), but this match will be decided on 2nd innings - we'll need to score 250+ here.

 

[MMHS]

If we can keep Moeen wicket less, that'll be first telling blow. Top 3 is left-hander, don't think Ansari or Adil is going to trouble much & they leak runs.

 

[Big Mac]

Yep, no Woakes.

I know that Bayliss wants three quicks and three spinners but that means no Batty - and Batty is the only spinner who can control the scoring rate.

You need Moeen Ali, Zafar Ansari and Adil Rashid as much for their batting as their bowling.

Similarly with the bowling, Broad has to play and Stokes plays as much for his batting as his bowling.

So I have a choice between Batty and Woakes. And I am going with Batty.

Yeah, when you have the chance to pick a club level leg-spinner because he adds value at #9 you've got to pull the trigger. India will be quaking in their boots.

 

[street cricketer]

Good positive cricket from Bangladesh here. They really do want to make up for the last match's close loss.

 

[MMHS]

Got Moeen out of attack without damage.

 

[MMHS]

Good positive cricket from Bangladesh here. They really do want to make up for the last match's close loss.

ENG made a mistake of dropping Batty, with 4 left-handers in top 5. If batsmen can play out Moeen, Cook'll have to bring Roots here.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Tamim is a legend against Eng.
Rollicking start by Desh.

 

[MMHS]

It's a well planned wicket - exactly what Ansari was trying. Match again even.

 

[Justcrazy]

Still awaken?

That partnership actually normalizes the 2nd wicket partnership (170 @ 4.5 on this wicket is like gold), but this match will be decided on 2nd innings - we'll need to score 250+ here.

Just woke up now.

 

[Hasan123]

ENG made a mistake of dropping Batty, with 4 left-handers in top 5. If batsmen can play out Moeen, Cook'll have to bring Roots here.

He won't bring on root. Root has a dodgy back they won't to risk that further by having him bowl long spells in this heat

 

[Justcrazy]

BD need couple of good partnership here

 

[Justcrazy]

It's a well planned wicket - exactly what Ansari was trying. Match again even.

I think England have edge because of deep batting.

 

[Shafi]

They are experimenting too much.

Who? Bangladesh or England

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Riyadh in already we have exposed our tail

Kayes will edge anytime here

 

[street cricketer]

ENG made a mistake of dropping Batty, with 4 left-handers in top 5. If batsmen can play out Moeen, Cook'll have to bring Roots here.

Yeah, BD get into good positions a lot but lack the ruthlessness in finishing the job. They need to put on atleast 200 here because England have good batting depth. They should not get complacent here like they did in the first match.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

I don't know what Imrul is trying to do, block block and then tries giving a catch to Moeen Ali. Such a liability like his team members, apart from Tamim, I don't think rest should play test cricket. Shakib and Miraz should be considered as bowlers. Shuvagata? Can't bowl, can't bat, can't field but he is selectors number 1 choice. I have a feeling he is related to someone in the management.

 

[street cricketer]

Brilliant from Bangladesh here. They have brought themselves into a position of advantage as long as they don't lose 8 wickets for the next 40 runs like in the first innings.

 

[GenericBrand]

Kayes 2.0 is a decent bat, either him or a walking wicket Soumya

 

[Slog]

It's good to see Bangladeah making a game out of it

Our two test series last year there was depressing to say the least. They didn't even attempt for a win at any point in the match, even the first session

 

[MMHS]

A bit of nap & boys have done wonders!

We are actually scoring at a faster rate than IND in ODI.

 

[MMHS]

Absolute rubbish from Mahmudullah, I should have kept sleeping

 

[Big Mac]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Mahmudullah you idiot

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Brilliant from Bangladesh here. They have brought themselves into a position of advantage as long as they don't lose 8 wickets for the next 40 runs like in the first innings.

Every time You have said 'Brilliant from Bangadesh' we lost a wicket

 

[MMHS]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Mahmudullah you idiot

It's not idiocy, it's stupid arrogance - he thought he had won the game within a session. The game again comes in balance, as I expect ENG to knock couple early in 1st session.

 

[shah_1]

What was that Mahmudullah?


Seems like Bangladesh don't want to win

 

[MMHS]

Every time You have said 'Brilliant from Bangadesh' we lost a wicket

Mahmud has to bat at 6, we need Batu at 4.

 

[street cricketer]

Every time You have said 'Brilliant from Bangadesh' we lost a wicket

Stop watching test cricket.

Remember you said you hate it.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Stop watching test cricket.

Remember you said you hate it.

Yeah I still do, i watched the last one hour but Bangladesh batted at a decent rate so I wasn't bored.

I still prefer ODI's, Miraz is a must in our Odis, instead of Moshas and Taijul we finally found a spinner who actually spins the ball, that's a rarity.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Mahmud has to bat at 6, we need Batu at 4.

Agree brother 120%. Also I would replace Shuva Modhu with Nasir or Liton Das.

 

[MMHS]

Agree brother 120%. Also I would replace Shuva Modhu with Nasir or Liton Das.

There are 4 baggage in this series - Shafiul is Batu's Bogra para met; that other pacer might play in T20 for that slingy action, but shouldn't come near longer game; while Shuvo should always remain at Hom. Probably Papon is his back-up, otherwise Mussaddek is 3 times the player - could have been the difference in both Test.

4th one is Captain Batu, as Cuptan - almost conceded 100 runs lead.

 

[Executioner]

I get it now. Riad is the Bangladeshi Rohit

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

There are 4 baggage in this series - Shafiul is Batu's Bogra para met; that other pacer might play in T20 for that slingy action, but shouldn't come near longer game; while Shuvo should always remain at Hom. Probably Papon is his back-up, otherwise Mussaddek is 3 times the player - could have been the difference in both Test.

4th one is Captain Batu, as Cuptan - almost conceded 100 runs lead.

Also Shaf is the best net bowler, impressed Walsh. He plays mind games, he needs to go and use steroids and come back like Chris Tremlet.

I don't know who should captain Bangladesh in Test, Tamim & Shak are defensive. Mushy doesn't have brains, Riyadh hasn't scored a 50 in his last 12 innings. Maybe A newbie like Miraz the captain and groom him to replace Mash in odi's.

I am just glad we found a genuine spinner, those darters used to get into my nerves.

Shuva out, Mosaddek in.
Mushy out, Liton in.
Kamrul out, shahid in.
I would bring in Nazmul Shanto for Riyadh. The kid looks hungry for runs and food.

 

[Fahdi]

BD need 100 runs more to win this match.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I am tired of Bangladesh's stupidity.

Dumbest players in world cricket along with WI.

Damn.

 

[MMHS]

Also Shaf is the best net bowler, impressed Walsh. He plays mind games, he needs to go and use steroids and come back like Chris Tremlet.

I don't know who should captain Bangladesh in Test, Tamim & Shak are defensive. Mushy doesn't have brains, Riyadh hasn't scored a 50 in his last 12 innings. Maybe A newbie like Miraz the captain and groom him to replace Mash in odi's.

I am just glad we found a genuine spinner, those darters used to get into my nerves.

Shuva out, Mosaddek in.
Mushy out, Liton in.
Kamrul out, shahid in.
I would bring in Nazmul Shanto for Riyadh. The kid looks hungry for runs and food.

Probably, Sakib is the best choice. Now, the situation is like that we'll be always under batting pressure - at home to post match winning total for spinner, at away to take the game to Day 5 & try for the best. In that regard, I don't want any batsman as Captain - he'll be defensive & might suffer as batsman. Sakib can play his natural game with bat & bowl with a free mind.

 

[Last Monetarist]

Another 50-60 runs and I think the lead will be beyond England on a crumbling wicket. Bangladesh have been fantastic in their approach to the second innings; a masterclass of aggressive batting against mediocre spin bowlers on a turning track.

 

[King Kong]

Anything less than 260, England will be favourites. People said the same thing in 3rd odi when Bangladesh scored 270 odd that England would stand no chance. Bangla has to score at least 140-150 more runs tomorrow to feel safe.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Good stuff from Bangladesh. On top

 

[Last Monetarist]

Anything less than 260, England will be favourites. People said the same thing in 3rd odi when Bangladesh scored 270 odd that England would stand no chance. Bangla has to score at least 140-150 more runs tomorrow to feel safe.

It's a test match on a deteriorating pitch; no comparison with limited overs conditions. The only way England win here chasing a target above 180 is if the pitch eases up and the Bangladesh spinners bowl absolute filth. England need to hope that Duckett comes off like Imrul Kayes and Tamim Iqbal have in this match and gives them a rapid start against the new ball. They can't afford to scratch around as they're doomed to ultimately succumb to accurate balls on a good length that straighten upon pitching.

 

[King Kong]

It's a test match on a deteriorating pitch; no comparison with limited overs conditions. The only way England win here chasing a target above 180 is if the pitch eases up and the Bangladesh spinners bowl absolute filth. England need to hope that Duckett comes off like Imrul Kayes and Tamim Iqbal have in this match and gives them a rapid start against the new ball. They can't afford to scratch around as they're doomed to ultimately succumb to accurate balls on a good length that straighten upon pitching.

Bangladesh almost chased the score in the first test. England will not let Bangla set a target of >260 and I expect Bairstow and Stokes to win it for England.

 

[Last Monetarist]

Bangladesh almost chased the score in the first test. England will not let Bangla set a target of >260 and I expect Bairstow and Stokes to win it for England.

No way do Bangladesh need anywhere near 250 to win this match. They have demonstrably better spinners than England, who probably have the worst spin attack in the world. Another fact that might cripple England's chances is Root's illness and his ability to bat tomorrow.

 

[Executioner]

Bangladesh chasing 280 and England chasing 250 is completely different.

Bangladesh are better against spin and have good spinners. England lacked good spinners which is why they struggled to tie down our batsman. It's difficult to score more than 250 on this wicket batting last

 

[FreakCricket]

anything above 250 BD will win easily, only problem is Rashid and Woakes can seriously play!