Bangladesh v New Zealand l 2nd Test l Dhaka | Oct 21-25, 2013

[Mamoon]

You may think it's a good thing but don't forget the Test Championship is in England not the UAE.

A two man spin attack will do nothing in England.

When was the last time you drew a series away from home?

The nonsense you post against a small country like NZ is hilarious, despite the odds we're quite competitive.

Did I say we'll win the Test Championship?

Qualifying for it alone is an honor. It makes you part of the top tier.

NZ fans have some big words for a small country. You brought this on yourself with your relentless criticism of Pakistan and sugar coating New Zealand

 

[Aman]

Pakistan beats NZ home and away. Not sure what is your point.

Yes, we lost a Test to Zimbabwe but you on the other hand are completely incapable of beating England or South Africa in any conditions.

Call it arrogance or what but NZ simply cannot compete with Pakistan's A game. The only way you can beat us if we have a howler like we did in Zimbabwe.

If both teams play their best cricket, there is going to be only one result.

I don't know, I still think our batsmen are better than yours and with the ball moving around Southee and Boult can run through some of the best teams in the world.

 

[Aman]

Did I say we'll win the Test Championship?

Qualifying for it alone is an honor. It makes you part of the top tier.

NZ fans have some big words for a small country. You brought this on yourself with your relentless criticism of Pakistan and sugar coating New Zealand

Put's the worlds eyes on you and at the moment I can only see Pakistan embarrassing themselves.

 

[Executioner]

Herath is up there with Ajmal and Swann, I rate him very highly.

Our batsmen have shown they can play quality spin, we just need to show more consistently and aim up even when playing against minnows.

well the issue is there is no other decent bowler in lanka apart from herath. even mathews is better than etanga and lakmal

 

[Aman]

well the issue is there is no other decent bowler in lanka apart from herath. even mathews is better than etanga and lakmal

The same could be said about Bangladesh except they have one decent bowler.

 

[Mamoon]

Put's the worlds eyes on you and at the moment I can only see Pakistan embarrassing themselves.

A bigger embarrassment than not even contending to qualify for the Test championship?

 

[Aman]

A bigger embarrassment than not even contending to qualify for the Test championship?

No a bigger embarrassment is the world questioning how a team qualified!

And imagine if it was India who knocked you out with a convincing thrashing.

 

[Mamoon]

The same could be said about Bangladesh except they have one decent bowler.

And you still can't beat them

 

[Aman]

And you still can't beat them

Still 3 days left.

 

[Mamoon]

Still 3 days left.

If you don't win, then?

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Within Three days we are winning this one.

 

[Executioner]

The same could be said about Bangladesh except they have one decent bowler.

Gazi and shakib are decent, maybe not at the same class as herath currently.

Robiul has been decent in the few tests he has played. Yes he has 2 5-fers against zimbabwe but still, its not that ridiculous. Considering that Zimboks are better players of pace than Bangladesh and Pakistan

 

[Mamoon]

NZ aren't minnows, neither are Pakistan. We are the little fish the real minnows are teams like Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.

LOL at "we".

Did you just put Pakistan and New Zealand in the same category?

 

[Aman]

LOL at "we".

Did you just put Pakistan and New Zealand in the same category?

There's the big boys, the little fish and minnows.

Pakistan are neither powerful enough or good enough to be with the big boys.

Big Boys
SA
England
Australia
India

Little Fish
Pakistan
NZ
SL
WI

Minnows
Zimbabwe
Bangladesh

 

[pungi]

LOL at "we".

Did you just put Pakistan and New Zealand in the same category?

Both Pak and NZ are good teams and right up there with big guys, 10 times better than Bangladesh. Esp. NZ, whose performance has been on the upswing in the last couple of years. They have won test matches IN Australia, IN SL, and after many years have a solid batting line up with players like Rutherford, Taylor, Williamson etc. etc. I see NZ becoming a much better team from here on.

 

[Aman]

Both Pak and NZ are good teams and right up there with big guys, 10 times better than Bangladesh. Esp. NZ, whose performance has been on the upswing in the last couple of years. They have won test matches IN Australia, IN SL, and after many years have a solid batting line up with players like Rutherford, Taylor, Williamson etc. etc. I see NZ becoming a much better team from here on.

I think we have a brighter future than Pakistan. I see us getting better, I have no clue where Pakistan cricket is going and honestly I don't think they'll ever be a top team with their instability and poor cricketing structure.

 

[Executioner]

Bangladesh will also be a good team in the future. The next generation of players: Gazi, Nasir, Al Amin, Mominul and Ayub look really good if you compare it with Bashar, Ashraful, Riad, Naeem.

Some people acts as if Bangladesh will be a walk in the park even at home. I dont think we should be under-estimated

 

[Aman]

Bangladesh will also be a good team in the future. The next generation of players: Gazi, Nasir, Al Amin, Mominul and Ayub look really good if you compare it with Bashar, Ashraful, Riad, Naeem.

Some people acts as if Bangladesh will be a walk in the park even at home. I dont think we should be under-estimated

You have stroke players but your batsmen don't have the temperament to succeed at level and you don't have any quality in your bowling line up.


You will be a decent team in ODI's though considering it's all about how much and how quick you can score rather than wickets which are of little importance.

It's all about dpo/dpb

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Bangladesh will also be a good team in the future. The next generation of players: Gazi, Nasir, Al Amin, Mominul and Ayub look really good if you compare it with Bashar, Ashraful, Riad, Naeem.

Some people acts as if Bangladesh will be a walk in the park even at home. I dont think we should be under-estimated

Riad was a good batsman, also Naeem was just getting his act together at International level. I have a feeling if Anamul continues to fail at Test level, we might see him being dropped and Ayub might open with Tamim and Riad or Naeem back in the team.

Anamul needs to work with Salauddin and improve his footwork or else he will continue to fail in Test cricket. He's lethal in ODI and T20 though.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Rubel Hossain averaging 74.88, soon enough he'll surpass

 

[Space Cat]

LOL at "we".

Did you just put Pakistan and New Zealand in the same category?

Pakistan are a better test team than us.

I'd put them in the notch above us but not in the top tier. Their unpredictable nature means they can sometimes be a minnow and sometimes a top tier. As clearly seen in the last 2 tests.

Pakistan can boss teams in their home conditions. Something that NZ hasn't been able to do for about 10 years.

We don't have seam friendly pitches anymore. Something i wish we really went back to.

 

[Space Cat]

Kiwi does have a point about Rugby draining all the talent from NZ cricket.

Most kids here play Rugby in winter and Cricket in summer. The super talented kids always chose rugby. Especially the kids capable of bowling fast.

There is still more than enough talent there. Its just squandered and poorly nurtured by NZ cricket constantly.

 

[Executioner]

Riad was a good batsman, also Naeem was just getting his act together at International level. I have a feeling if Anamul continues to fail at Test level, we might see him being dropped and Ayub might open with Tamim and Riad or Naeem back in the team.

Anamul needs to work with Salauddin and improve his footwork or else he will continue to fail in Test cricket. He's lethal in ODI and T20 though.

anamul is hafeez's favourite student

But I think he can only get better from here onwards. He has everything other than footwork to become a top player. His hand eye coordination is superb and he has the temperament to bat for long hours.

we should not forget that he was the best performer in the last WC for the youths. will be a great talent if he can move his feet

 

[Mamoon]

There's the big boys, the little fish and minnows.

Pakistan are neither powerful enough or good enough to be with the big boys.

Big Boys
SA
England
Australia
India

Little Fish
Pakistan
NZ
SL
WI

Minnows
Zimbabwe
Bangladesh

Pakistan is in a category of its own. Between Big Boys and Little Fish.

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan has achieved things in the last couple of years that none of the "Little Fish" have and we are ranked higher than them so that makes us a level above the likes of NZ, SL and WI.

 

[IJWBS]

Haha New Zealand's best young batting prospect averages 34 after almost 30 Tests and today he got knocked out by Rubel Hossain. )

NZ are a joke!

 

[Space Cat]

Haha New Zealand's best young batting prospect averages 34 after almost 30 Tests and today he got knocked out by Rubel Hossain. )

NZ are a joke!

If NZ are a joke what does that make Bangladesh?

An unflushable smear on the toilet bowl of test cricket.

 

[Space Cat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGGx6Z11rPw

Hardly a bouncer as it didn't bounce. Which is why Williamson wore it on the helmet.

 

[akheR]

Kiwi does have a point about Rugby draining all the talent from NZ cricket.

Most kids here play Rugby in winter and Cricket in summer. The super talented kids always chose rugby. Especially the kids capable of bowling fast.

There is still more than enough talent there. Its just squandered and poorly nurtured by NZ cricket constantly.

Didn't McCullum had the opportunity to play pro. rugby ? Just imagine him going for it, and I'm sure that many "potential McCullum" probably did.
Always though that in terms of "talent per capita" NZ ranks not far from WI (the "cricketing islands" make 7 millions I think - who also lost prestige when their young population began to looks towards more economically viable basket ball), some nations would kill for (in the 80s only three teams had a +1 Test W/L ratio, WI, PAK and NZ - that order - thanks to Hadlee mainly)/Bond, not forgetting the rest (Crowe, Cairns, ...)

NZ are a joke!

lol.

Hope Williamson hits a daddy ton, also disappointed by Rutherford. Remember his steady hundred on debut against ENG, and even if it was T20 format he was in a divine form during the recently concluded CT (aggressive, good cricketing shots all over the ground.)
Would have expected him to bully the BD trundlers on such tracks and inflate his average instead of actually respecting it.

 

[Executioner]

I don't know how everyone sees it but this sure has been a very good contest so far and hence we are seeing so much drama even on a forum.

I knew from the beginning that in these conditions both teams will be on the same page. The first.test ended with a draw but we performed slightly better than them kiwis. This match so far is in the balance and anyone can win from here. the first session is crucial.

don't know whether NZ are a joke or not, but their catching has been horrible. a total of 7 dropped catches. on the other hand, look at what rubel did to get baz out

 

[Space Cat]

Didn't McCullum had the opportunity to play pro. rugby ? Just imagine him going for it, and I'm sure that many "potential McCullum" probably did.
Always though that in terms of "talent per capita" NZ ranks not far from WI (the "cricketing islands" make 7 millions I think - who also lost prestige when their young population began to looks towards more economically viable basket ball), some nations would kill for (in the 80s only three teams had a +1 Test W/L ratio, WI, PAK and NZ - that order - thanks to Hadlee mainly)/Bond, not forgetting the rest (Crowe, Cairns, ...)



lol.

Hope Williamson hits a daddy ton, also disappointed by Rutherford. Remember his steady hundred on debut against ENG, and even if it was T20 format he was in a divine form during the recently concluded CT (aggressive, good cricketing shots all over the ground.)
Would have expected him to bully the BD trundlers on such tracks and inflate his average instead of actually respecting it.

McCullum was a very talented young rugby player. I heard he kept Dan Carter out of a under 16 rep team once. Dan Carter went on to be one of the great rugby players ever.

Rugby has an insanely deep talent pool here in NZ though so who knows how far he might of gone if he left cricket behind. Hes probably a bit to small for modern rugby but i've seen him at the gym he is a little tank of a man.

Regarding Rutherford he has has disappointed me somewhat also. He continues to get himself starts and then get out in soft fashion. His first class career prior to making NZ side was also a bit feast or famine. I think he would go a few matches without scoring much and then suddenly smoke a couple of back to back double hundreds.

 

[Space Cat]

I don't know how everyone sees it but this sure has been a very good contest so far and hence we are seeing so much drama even on a forum.

I knew from the beginning that in these conditions both teams will be on the same page. The first.test ended with a draw but we performed slightly better than them kiwis. This match so far is in the balance and anyone can win from here. the first session is crucial.

don't know whether NZ are a joke or not, but their catching has been horrible. a total of 7 dropped catches. on the other hand, look at what rubel did to get baz out

Dropped catches have been annoying considering how good a fielding side we are. Maybe they slacked off during winter.

 

[SmugP]

So Kiwi's prediction of his team getting at least one 550+ score is in the balance now. I mean you'd think he'd be happy with the 469 in the first Test, no? I mean the Kiwi batting lineup is arguably weaker than Bangladesh's.

 

[Energetic]

Tomorrow will tell us a lot where the game is likely to be heading. Surprised Gazi didn't bowl as much. If Bangladesh can get a lead of a minimum 200 then New Zealand will have a tough job to either draw/win since batting last on the wicket will be a devils nightmare. Game is evenly poised.

 

[SmugP]

Shakib isn't as great as you think he is... He may be great by Bangladeshi standards but I'd rate him a touch below Hafeez. I mean if Hafeez played for Bangladesh he'd have plenty of 5'fers too seeing as you have little competition for wickets.

Which is why you would measure the strike rates of "one-men" bowling attacks like Shakib. And on that front, he's got a better strike rate than Vettori without beefing it up against a weaker team.

Sodhi doesn't even look as talented as Graeme Cremer, from the little I've seen of him.

 

[Energetic]

Which is why you would measure the strike rates of "one-men" bowling attacks like Shakib. And on that front, he's got a better strike rate than Vettori without beefing it up against a weaker team.

Sodhi doesn't even look as talented as Graeme Cremer, from the little I've seen of him.

I bet people like Kiwi will say that Shakib takes his test wickets against Bangladesh lol

 

[SmugP]

I bet people like Kiwi will say that Shakib takes his test wickets against Bangladesh lol

There is some element of truth to that though. Sodhi has underachieved in this series. I mean its Bangladesh and in the subcontinent. Any spinner ought to be taking 10 wickets a match, and Sodhi should have been getting 15+. And Bangladeshis are also weak against pace, so for any NZ bowler to not take 30 wickets in the series is a massive failure and Hesson ought to held accountable.

 

[Aman]

Pakistan is in a category of its own. Between Big Boys and Little Fish.

You don't have a category for one team...

 

[Aman]

Which is why you would measure the strike rates of "one-men" bowling attacks like Shakib. And on that front, he's got a better strike rate than Vettori without beefing it up against a weaker team.

Sodhi doesn't even look as talented as Graeme Cremer, from the little I've seen of him.

Vettori played most of his games in non friendly wickets. When you don't have the batsmen's respect you tend to get wickets e.g. Shakib.

 

[Aman]

Too early to tell, but he's got a ways to go before catching up to Gazi and Shakib, let alone the likes of Swann or Ajmal.

At any rate, looks like we'll take the first innings lead of a few runs, and I don't expect our boys to throw their wickets away twice in the same match, so if the rain stays away, you'll be chasing 300 or so on a 4th innings track which according to the commentary is already turning a bit.

Match will either be drawn, or we'll squeak by to 1-0 series win.

I know the guy from high school and his work ethic was the reason why he was picked

 

[Energetic]

Vettori played most his games in non friendly wickets unlike Shakib. When you don't have the batsmen's respect you tend to get wickets e.g. Shakib.

Bangladesh pitches itself I thought was flat. Make up your mind dude!

Anyway I agree with you Shakib is no Ajmal, Warne or Murali but you're forgetting that he's a left arm spinner and left arm spinner don't have as much variations as to right arm bowlers and usually contain batsman. In fact, the best left arm spinner in tests (subject to minimum 30 tests) was Iqbal Qasim with an average of 28. Shakib is not far off. Herath whom you rate is a touch under 30.

So I think you need to do your homework mate!!

Shakib already has 5 wicket hauls against England, New Zealand and South Africa all IN these countries as well

 

[Aman]

Bangladesh pitches itself I thought was flat. Make up your mind dude!

Anyway I agree with you Shakib is no Ajmal, Warne or Murali but you're forgetting that he's a left arm spinner and left arm spinner don't have as much variations as to right arm bowlers and usually contain batsman. In fact, the best left arm spinner in tests (subject to minimum 30 tests) was Iqbal Qasim with an average of 28. Shakib is not far off. Herath whom you rate is a touch under 30.

So I think you need to do your homework mate!!

Shakib already has 5 wicket hauls against England, New Zealand and South Africa all IN these countries as well

SC wickets are flat but there tends to be a bit for the spinners, it's the pacers that get spanked around.

Mate I don't think you get it, you could put Ajmal or Swann in the Bangladeshi team and the odds are they would get 8-9 wickets per innings. It's easy getting wickets when there's no competition and the opposition batsmen don't respect you.

 

[Energetic]

Also take Vettori test bowling record away from Bangladesh and Zimbabwe and his bowling average increases lol whereas with Shakib he already plays for Bangladesh and his bowling test record against Zimbabwe is even worse than his current average so good luck with your excuses mate.

 

[Aman]

Also take Vettori test bowling record away from Bangladesh and Zimbabwe and his bowling average increases lol whereas with Shakib he already plays for Bangladesh and his bowling test record against Zimbabwe is even worse than his current average so good luck with your excuses mate.

If you've ever seen Vettori bowl you'd know why doesn't have as many wickets as he should.

He is light years ahead of Shakib as a bowler and we both know that.

 

[Energetic]

SC wickets are flat but there tends to be a bit for the spinners, it's the pacers that get spanked around.

Mate I don't think you get it, you could put Ajmal or Swann in the Bangladeshi team and the odds are they would get 8-9 wickets per innings. It's easy getting wickets when there's no competition and the opposition batsmen don't respect you.

Yes I'm not denying that but it still doesn't change the fact for bowlers like Shakib having success on pitches that don't suit spinners at all i.e. his 5 fors in South Africa. Your arguments is just not adding up.

 

[Aman]

Didn't a hopeless Aussie spinner get 8-9 wickets against India in his debut innings? Better than Vettori

 

[Energetic]

If you've ever seen Vettori bowl you'd know why doesn't have as many wickets as he should.

He is light years ahead of Shakib as a bowler and we both know that.

Vettori of course was a good spinner not denying that but like I said take away his stats from Zimbabwe and Bangladesh and its gets worse. And that's playing for over a 100 tests.

 

[Aman]

Yes I'm not denying that but it still doesn't change the fact for bowlers like Shakib having success on pitches that don't suit spinners at all i.e. his 5 fors in South Africa. Your arguments is just not adding up.

Do you not understand the word respect?

 

[Energetic]

lol If you exclude Vettori test record against 'minnows' Zimbabwe and Bangladesh, his bowling average increases from 34 to 38.62 Kiwi. 111 tests with 20 5 wicket hauls but 6 of them against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh.

Shakib currently in his 32 test match and already 9 5 wicket hauls likely a 10th one in current match. He almost has half of Vettori 5 wicket hauls despite playing almost 4 times as many matches than Shakib lol

Vettori stike rate is also poorer than Shakib almost 80 whereas Shakib 68.

This argument is closed my friend. Stats don't lie.

 

[Aman]

lol If you exclude Vettori test record against 'minnows' Zimbabwe and Bangladesh, his bowling average increases from 34 to 38.62 Kiwi. 111 tests with 20 5 wicket hauls but 6 of them against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh.

Shakib currently in his 32 test match and already 9 5 wicket hauls likely a 10th one in current match. He almost has half of Vettori 5 wicket hauls despite playing almost 4 times as many matches than Shakib lol

Vettori stike rate is also poorer than Shakib almost 80 whereas Shakib 68.

This argument is closed my friend. Stats don't lie.

Comparing minnow stats with a top team's players (top 8) is different the stats just don't hold the same weight.


If you've actually seen Vettori play you'd understand why he has a poor S.R.

Batsmen respect him tend to just survive him rather than attack him and lose their wicket to him. Vettori seems to have the knack of picking up wickets in bunches if he get's one, more often than not he picks up 2 and 3 shortly after.

 

[Justcrazy]

NZ should look to be positive here , get runs quickly , if they want to win this game.

 

[Justcrazy]

:4

with that NZ move to 120 / 3

 

[Justcrazy]

:4

50 up for Taylor

 

[Justcrazy]

shakib gets wicket number 4

 

[Justcrazy]

Rubel Hossain currently averaging 76.19 with the ball.

 

[Aman]

Gah none of our batsmen have the appetite for runs


50 isn't enough :umarakmal

 

[Justcrazy]

Gazi on now , good move by bangladesh.

 

[Justcrazy]

Gah none of our batsmen have the appetite for runs


50 isn't enough :umarakmal

This is true. Generally NZ batsmen do not get big hundreds. That is why they are moree effective in shorter formats , they can easily play innovative , bold shots.

 

[Aman]

This is true. Generally NZ batsmen do not get big hundreds. That is why they are moree effective in shorter formats , they can easily play innovative , bold shots.

They only score big when they have a point to prove.

I've been really disappointed by Ross Taylor especially, he should be doing much better these kind of series are the ones you boost your average.

He is our KP, obviously not as good but similar nonetheless.

 

[Justcrazy]

Good chance of Shakib getting another 5 fer here.

 

[Justcrazy]

They only score big when they have a point to prove.

I've been really disappointed by Ross Taylor especially, he should be doing much better these kind of series are the ones you boost your average.

He is our KP, obviously not as good but similar nonetheless.

I think NZ have been doing really well , if you consider the population of the country , they have competed well over the years.

 

[Aman]

Good chance of Shakib getting another 5 fer here.

Not much competition for wickets

Ish would have easily gotten 5+ as well had Wagner not done the damage

 

[Aman]

I think NZ have been doing really well , if you consider the population of the country , they have competed well over the years.

That's not good enough.

We should be thrashing this team, we don't win often and if we can't even put the minnows away it's disheartening.

 

[Justcrazy]

Runs have dried up , Kiwis playing cautiously now.

 

[Justcrazy]

That's not good enough.

We should be thrashing this team, we don't win often and if we can't even put the minnows away it's disheartening.

If this game was played in NZ , NZ would have won 8 out of 10 times. Outside , there strength is neutralized by unfriendly pitches.

 

[Wattoo]

few players like shakib and BD will be a very good test team.

 

[Justcrazy]

37 runs partnership here , Kiwis 164 / 4

 

[Justcrazy]

Match in balance at the moment. If this partnership carries on , it will be tough for BD

 

[Justcrazy]

:4

Anderson looking solid.

 

[Justcrazy]

185 / 4

 

[Justcrazy]

Al Amin has bowled only 7 overs , he should be used a little more.

 

[pungi]

NZ just showing Bdesh where they belong. It would be unfortunate if rain interrupts, otherwise nothing can avoid YET another Bdesh defeat.

 

[Justcrazy]

Partnership 71 runs

 

[Aman]

Looking good only rain and ourselves can prevent us from winning from here.

 

[Justcrazy]

200 up for kiwis

 

[Justcrazy]

apart from Shakib , none of the bowlers made any impression here

 

[pungi]

If NZ gets a full day today, then even if 50% of the remaining match is washed away, NZ would still win the match. 90 overs are good for them to get Bdesh out.

 

[Justcrazy]

Rain likely to spoil the game here

 

[Kianig89]

is there also a NZ commentator or you guys just have to bear the Bangladeshis Athar Ali KHan n Shamim

 

[Justcrazy]

If NZ gets a full day today, then even if 50% of the remaining match is washed away, NZ would still win the match. 90 overs are good for them to get Bdesh out.

far fetched.

Rain likely to play a big part here. Clouds already gathering.