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Arsal_AK said:
He is not pathetic, just about average. The upcoming series will prove where he stands.Though I doubt he will pass the test.
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He is above average test batsman but not in the very good bracket, 40+ average batting at no. 3 is not average, it is acceptable for most teams
 
wasimjunior said:
Shafiq averages 41 with 7 hundreds in odis?
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According to Mamoon Shafiq is some ATG in the making in ODIs though... and Azhar is even boring to watch for a test match so it says something. Normally test players naturally accelerate as they progresss, he bats at a SR of 30 whether he has faced 10 balls or 300 balls. He was on the verge of getting dropped (was benched for first 2 tests) against SL, he was lucky to score a century in the 3rd courtesy of defensive field placement by SL.
 
Orbis said:
According to Mamoon Shafiq is some ATG in the making in ODIs though... and Azhar is even boring to watch for a test match so it says something. Normally test players naturally accelerate as they progresss, he bats at a SR of 30 whether he has faced 10 balls or 300 balls. He was on the verge of getting dropped (was benched for first 2 tests) against SL, he was lucky to score a century in the 3rd courtesy of defensive field placement by SL.
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Boring or not boring

41 average with 7 hundreds is good enough for a no. 3 batsman in tests
 
hur rizvi said:
Boring or not boring

41 average with 7 hundreds is good enough for a no. 3 batsman in tests
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The purpose of sports is to provide entertainment for fans, that is the fundamental aspect of sports.

I don't want to watch someone blocking half volleys all day, I want to see proper shots on merit in tests. I woke up once at 5am to watch Babar Azam bat and he scored 266, I would never pay to watch Misbah or Azhar
 
... especially after he continues to line up an impressive array of < 20 scores with a < 70 SR in ODIs.. ?
 
Orbis said:
Ands BTW, look at Azhar's away average. Pretty much averages in the 20s with a SR of 30 EVERYWHERE apart from UAE. So yeah, he is as good as Shafiq in ODIs.
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Shafiq doesnt deserve a place in ODI XI, Azhar is good enough to hold his place even if he only performs in UAE because that is where we play 80% of our matches
 
Orbis said:
The purpose of sports is to provide entertainment for fans, that is the fundamental aspect of sports.

I don't want to watch someone blocking half volleys all day, I want to see proper shots on merit in tests. I woke up once at 5am to watch Babar Azam bat and he scored 266, I would never pay to watch Misbah or Azhar
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Sports is about winning for your country, entertainment is secondary aspect

You would wake up at 5 am for someone like Umar Akmal or Maqsod or Afridi but will sleep at 5:15 am, Azhar will stick it out and make true cricket fans value their loss of sleep
 
hur rizvi said:
Boring or not boring

41 average with 7 hundreds is good enough for a no. 3 batsman in tests
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No, it is not. Seven hundreds into the sixth year of his career is nothing to write home about. Couple the average with the SR at which he gets those runs and it looks even less promising. Your no. 3 must be dynamic and capable of going at a SR of 50 if are to become a good side.


He is yet to cement his place in the side. Was on the verge of being dropped once before the Aus series and got dropped the other time; all in the last year(despite playing in the U.A.E for majority of his career)
 
hur rizvi said:
Sports is about winning for your country, entertainment is secondary aspect

You would wake up at 5 am for someone like Umar Akmal or Maqsod or Afridi but will sleep at 5:15 am, Azhar will stick it out and make true cricket fans value their loss of sleep
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Am I talking about international, I said sports. I said the fundamental aspect of sports, so starting from the lowest league you can imagine where it is meant for entertainment.

There is a reason people don't turn up to watch the test team in UAE. Even I prefer tests over everything and I don't want to watch a line-up of Misbah, Shafiq and Azhar. Would rather watch Younis, Fawad, Haris, Babar, Sami etc.
 
So you mean he didn't play international players before, he played many of them in worldcup including nz bowling and english and handeled them quite well though.
 
Orbis said:
The purpose of sports is to provide entertainment for fans, that is the fundamental aspect of sports.

I don't want to watch someone blocking half volleys all day, I want to see proper shots on merit in tests. I woke up once at 5am to watch Babar Azam bat and he scored 266, I would never pay to watch Misbah or Azhar
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That is a ridiculous argument.
 
hur rizvi said:
Sarfraz did fine in NZ/Aus conditions, I expect him to do as good in England

Rizwan is another option for opening slot, I dont think Sami and babar deserve ahead of him ATM
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Maybe but I like Sarfaraz at 5 - busy in the middle overs.

I think we will be back with Shehzad by then too. Hopefully with his head screwed on
 
Looks like BCB is still on the line to defeat us. Our bowling is the best
 
Orbis said:
Am I talking about international, I said sports. I said the fundamental aspect of sports, so starting from the lowest league you can imagine where it is meant for entertainment.

There is a reason people don't turn up to watch the test team in UAE. Even I prefer tests over everything and I don't want to watch a line-up of Misbah, Shafiq and Azhar. Would rather watch Younis, Fawad, Haris, Babar, Sami etc.
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People didnt turn up to watch tests in PAkistan when we had Inzi, Moyo and YK and bowling of Akhtar and Asif

Yes we are talking about international sports (Test cricket), I value 15 off 40 not out in tests rather than 15 off 5 (out)
 
Orbis said:
The purpose of sports is to provide entertainment for fans, that is the fundamental aspect of sports.

I don't want to watch someone blocking half volleys all day, I want to see proper shots on merit in tests. I woke up once at 5am to watch Babar Azam bat and he scored 266, I would never pay to watch Misbah or Azhar
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:facepalm:
 
Arsal_AK said:
No, it is not. Seven hundreds into the sixth year of his career is nothing to write home about. Couple the average with the SR at which he gets those runs and it looks even less promising. Your no. 3 must be dynamic and capable of going at a SR of 50 if are to become a good side.


He is yet to cement his place in the side. Was on the verge of being dropped once before the Aus series and got dropped the other time; all in the last year(despite playing in the U.A.E for majority of his career)
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" Was on the verge of getting dropped ", so what he cemented his place and performed, I expect him to perform against BAn,SL, England and India and maintain his average or even better it in an year or so.

7 hundreds in 39 matches is decent, that equates to about 17-18 hundreds in 100 tests, which is a very good test career
 
There is a reason why I have always said Yasir Shah is not a LOI bowler. His poor LA stats say that, and I am a strong believer in domestic stats.

Guy has no variation at all, and he was favoured over Raza Hasan for no reason. And this poor treatment of Raza led to the unfortunate events that are happening now.
 
Orbis said:
There is a reason why I have always said Yasir Shah is not a LOI bowler. His poor LA stats say that, and I am a strong believer in domestic stats.

Guy has no variation at all, and he was favoured over Raza Hasan for no reason. And this poor treatment of Raza led to the unfortunate events that are happening now.
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Yasir was preferred over Raza only for WC, before that there was Ajmal, Rehman and HAfeez who were performing
 
hur rizvi said:
People didnt turn up to watch tests in PAkistan when we had Inzi, Moyo and YK and bowling of Akhtar and Asif

Yes we are talking about international sports (Test cricket), I value 15 off 40 not out in tests rather than 15 off 5 (out)
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Let me ask you, did you watch the WC final or not? You are saying sports are about winning for your country, so with an argument like that you don't watch other teams?

I wouldn't watch Zimbabawe vs. Bangladesh because it is boring, sports are about entertainment. Whether or not you have the capacity to see the fundamentals is out of my hands.
 
Orbis said:
According to Mamoon Shafiq is some ATG in the making in ODIs though... and Azhar is even boring to watch for a test match so it says something. Normally test players naturally accelerate as they progresss, he bats at a SR of 30 whether he has faced 10 balls or 300 balls. He was on the verge of getting dropped (was benched for first 2 tests) against SL, he was lucky to score a century in the 3rd courtesy of defensive field placement by SL.
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Azhar is a solid bat, who will bring you consistency, but won't light the world on fire. And the beauty of him is that he knows his limits, and plays within them. He's a sensible and hard working guy, and will stay away from controversy, and will continually strive to improve. We probably need someone like that in the team. At first I was also skeptical about him being in the ODI team, but if you think about it, he can't be any worse than Shehzad. Plus he brings a better attitude, and is a bowling option. Win-win situation to me.

Asad on the other hand has undeniably had a bad start to his ODI career. However he has tremendous potential, and he's doing well in Test Cricket too. He has it in him to be Pakistan's best batsman. He's got great technique, all the shots, and is a gutsy, pressure player. It's about time he steps up in the ODI arena, it's difficult for a player of his calibre to be kept out for any longer. Not sure why he hasn't done well yet. There are many factors, he seems to have bad concentration, and is a little bit of a victim of mismanagement. However, that being said, he's wasting his potential right now, he's a lot better than what he's achieved thus far.

I can safely say that the PCB invested in the right two batsmen 5 years ago, now it's up to them to grab the opportunity they were given, and start winning more games for Pakistan.
 
hur rizvi said:
Yasir was preferred over Raza only for WC, before that there was Ajmal, Rehman and HAfeez who were performing
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And Zulfiqar? Raza made his debut before Zulfiqar and is half his age, performed excellently but was then displaced by Zulfiqar who is now out of the picture because PCB realised he is too old
 
Pakistan have no answer for Shabbir Rahman! This lad single-handedly destroying Pakistan bowling.
 
Orbis said:
Let me ask you, did you watch the WC final or not? You are saying sports are about winning for your country, so with an argument like that you don't watch other teams?

I wouldn't watch Zimbabawe vs. Bangladesh because it is boring, sports are about entertainment. Whether or not you have the capacity to see the fundamentals is out of my hands.
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WC final was ODI or test? We are discussing Azhar's stature as a test player

I am also not convinced by him as an ODI player but saying that he is garbage in tests is OTT
 
The future of our team is really bleak. We are struggling against Bangladesh B/C grade team. What we will do against BD main team. They whitewashed NZ who are much better team than us
 
hussain.r97 said:
Azhar is a solid bat, who will bring you consistency, but won't light the world on fire. And the beauty of him is that he knows his limits, and plays within them. He's a sensible and hard working guy, and will stay away from controversy, and will continually strive to improve. We probably need someone like that in the team. At first I was also skeptical about him being in the ODI team, but if you think about it, he can't be any worse than Shehzad. Plus he brings a better attitude, and is a bowling option. Win-win situation to me.

Asad on the other hand has undeniably had a bad start to his ODI career. However he has tremendous potential, and he's doing well in Test Cricket too. He has it in him to be Pakistan's best batsman. He's got great technique, all the shots, and is a gutsy, pressure player. It's about time he steps up in the ODI arena, it's difficult for a player of his calibre to be kept out for any longer. Not sure why he hasn't done well yet. There are many factors, he seems to have bad concentration, and is a little bit of a victim of mismanagement. However, that being said, he's wasting his potential right now, he's a lot better than what he's achieved thus far.

I can safely say that the PCB invested in the right two batsmen 5 years ago, now it's up to them to grab the opportunity they were given, and start winning more games for Pakistan.
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With these two pathetic batsmen our team is going no where we are hardly going to cross 210 to 230 in modern day of game , enough with bringing stability , time to move on from 60-70 strike rate
 
Orbis said:
And Zulfiqar? Raza made his debut before Zulfiqar and is half his age, performed excellently but was then displaced by Zulfiqar who is now out of the picture because PCB realised he is too old
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You are firm beleiver in domestic stats and dont know what are babar's stats?
 
hussain.r97 said:
Azhar is a solid bat, who will bring you consistency, but won't light the world on fire. And the beauty of him is that he knows his limits, and plays within them. He's a sensible and hard working guy, and will stay away from controversy, and will continually strive to improve. We probably need someone like that in the team. At first I was also skeptical about him being in the ODI team, but if you think about it, he can't be any worse than Shehzad. Plus he brings a better attitude, and is a bowling option. Win-win situation to me.

Asad on the other hand has undeniably had a bad start to his ODI career. However he has tremendous potential, and he's doing well in Test Cricket too. He has it in him to be Pakistan's best batsman. He's got great technique, all the shots, and is a gutsy, pressure player. It's about time he steps up in the ODI arena, it's difficult for a player of his calibre to be kept out for any longer. Not sure why he hasn't done well yet. There are many factors, he seems to have bad concentration, and is a little bit of a victim of mismanagement. However, that being said, he's wasting his potential right now, he's a lot better than what he's achieved thus far.

I can safely say that the PCB invested in the right two batsmen 5 years ago, now it's up to them to grab the opportunity they were given, and start winning more games for Pakistan.
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They have shown nothing in past 5 y ears, are at the age when batsmen should be at their peak and still performing rubbish. They may need another 5 years to grab the opportunity and by that time they can do a Misbah and forge a 6 year career from 35 yo to 41 yo.
 
hur rizvi said:
You are firm beleiver in domestic stats and dont know what are babar's stats?
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Yeah, I am not saying Zulfiqar is rubbish, he is a bloody darn good bowler. But what was the point of selecting him over a 20 year old with equal potential?
 
Shafi said:
The future of our team is really bleak. We are struggling against Bangladesh B/C grade team. What we will do against BD main team. They whitewashed NZ who are much better team than us
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We did fine at WC after getting Whitewashed by NZ club cricketers, expect same in coming ODI series
 
Orbis said:
They have shown nothing in past 5 y ears, are at the age when batsmen should be at their peak and still performing rubbish. They may need another 5 years to grab the opportunity and by that time they can do a Misbah and forge a 6 year career from 35 yo to 41 yo.
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azhar show great performances since 5 years. (test) currently he is the more solid batsman in test.
 
Orbis said:
Yeah, I am not saying Zulfiqar is rubbish, he is a bloody darn good bowler. But what was the point of selecting him over a 20 year old with equal potential?
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Raza after injury was an average bowler, without any turn
 
And why isn't Fawad bowling? Probably the best part-time spinner in the team after Hafeez (though that means he is the best bowler cus Hafeez is banned).
 
Cricketfan no 1 said:
With these two pathetic batsmen our team is going no where we are hardly going to cross 210 to 230 in modern day of game , enough with bringing stability , time to move on from 60-70 strike rate
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A little bit a of stability is exactly what Pakistan needs, though not stability at an extreme (Misbah). We need to stop trying to copy exactly what every other team does, and only take the points relevant to us.

Our bowling attack is capable of defending anything around 250 in this day and age. 220-230 is something we do regularly too. We need to base our batting attack around stable batsman with one or two hitters at the end.

In the past, successful Pakistan teams have had people accumulating for much of the innings, with the all-rounders/keepers/tail doing the hitting at the end. We need to stick with the winning formula, play to our strengths, and take relevant points from other teams (i.e. improve fielding standard, and tail batting standard).
 
There is a funny battle going on to prove Azhar and Asad superior to one another. It proves that how serious is the problem of the scarcity of talent in Pakistan now. In fact both these 2 are very average by international standard, May be they are good by Pakistani standard. Azhar is better than Asad no doubt. Asad must have a strong backing in the back door.He is extremely lucky to represent Pakistan for so many matches with his poor calibre.
 
hussain.r97 said:
A little bit a of stability is exactly what Pakistan needs, though not stability at an extreme (Misbah). We need to stop trying to copy exactly what every other team does, and only take the points relevant to us.

Our bowling attack is capable of defending anything around 250 in this day and age. 220-230 is something we do regularly too. We need to base our batting attack around stable batsman with one or two hitters at the end.

In the past, successful Pakistan teams have had people accumulating for much of the innings, with the all-rounders/keepers/tail doing the hitting at the end. We need to stick with the winning formula, play to our strengths, and take relevant points from other teams (i.e. improve fielding standard, and tail batting standard).
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Stop talking nonsense. Maybe you have short term memory but no one complained before 2010-2011 about batting like they have now. I don't like blaming things but captain makes a massive difference and Misbah has implemented this ridiculous defensiveness in our cricket and is trying to extend his legacy through Azhar.
 
Orbis said:
They have shown nothing in past 5 y ears, are at the age when batsmen should be at their peak and still performing rubbish. They may need another 5 years to grab the opportunity and by that time they can do a Misbah and forge a 6 year career from 35 yo to 41 yo.
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Drop them by all means if they continue to fail for the next 1.5-2 years. But this is the time where they will turn a corner. With the seniors gone, the added responsibility is likely to bring the best out of them.
 
Shafi said:
How long until we end up 10 in ranking?
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we won't end up 10 in ranking dont worry.
this new team will give spark to the team and its performance.
our team is bad but not the worst.
and its just practice match, where team is trying to make suitable combinations. dont be pre judgmental
 
Our bowling are really world standard. An average player already hit seven 6s
 
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