BCCI influence on game rules and ICC staff

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"It was a little slippery the amount of rain it had had," Shakib said. "But normally that suits the batting side rather than the bowling side. We should not make that an excuse."

- Captain Shakib.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Kohli also did fake fielding in the 7th over, for which India were not penalized 5 runs. In the grand scheme of things, those 5 runs could have made a big difference.

The quality of umpiring was truly shambolic today.

 

[Smbhayi]

Difference is Kohli gets even those which are suspect. Difference is such continued behaviour will get other players penalized, not Kohli.

I guess you will not understand this.

And who are those players penalized for such gestures..?

 

[Marathonrunner]

If it was a conspiracy theory then ICC would have asked India to play all the games in MCC or SCG. It was a great game and Ban made a game out of it . They had nothing to lose. Even though Ban was cruising I doubt if they could have pulled a win if there was no rain interference. 1wicket and we then see a collapse .

 

[ex-q-zit]

Younis Khan and Kamran Akmal in a tv program categorically brush aside the conspiracy theories about the wet outfield. But they also mentioned if it wouldn't have rained BD would have had a chance as they had the momentum.

 

[Mamoon]

Yes we all saw 100 times that he was out. No need to waste time on further video analysis. Umpires gave him out because He was really out and The umpires also wanted Indian runrate to go up by getting useless Axar out.

You can watch it a million times and spend a lifetime analyzing it. You will not find a frame where it is conclusive that the bails were dislodged by the ball and not the gloves.

There was no evidence either in favor or against Axar Patel. It was a 50-50 call that went Pakistan's way even though the benefit of doubt could have easily gone to the batsman.

As I said, if the roles were reversed and it was a Pakistani batsman, the crybaby fans would be crying as usual and using it as an example to show how the umpires were biased towards India.

 

[NishanKonar]

Younis Khan and Kamran Akmal in a tv program categorically brush aside the conspiracy theories about the wet outfield. But they also mentioned if it wouldn't have rained BD would have had a chance as they had the momentum.

This is true. Bangladesh lost momentum due to rain break. It happens lot of times where a batsman loses his wicket just after a rain break due to loss of concentration

 

[Mamoon]

Are you saying Liton's shoes didnt get wet on that field? Amazing. Bcci should pay you if they already arent.

His shoes might have got wet but so did the Indian fielders'. Why didn't Rahul slip? Why did Litton did?

Not blaming Litton, but the conditions were slippery for everyone in the ground. The odds were stacked against India because Bangladesh had all 10 wickets on hand, the RRR was manageable and it easier to bat in wet conditions than it is to bowl and field. Still, Bangladesh messed up.

It was a great game of cricket and the team that held its nerve in the end prevailed. There is no reason for Pakistani fans to cry. If they are disappointed that it closes the door on their team, then they would be better off criticizing their team for choking against India and getting embarrassed by Zimbabwe.

 

[ekpakistani]

And who are those players penalized for such gestures..?

Here is just one example ..now I wait for you to twist this

https://www.t20worldcup.com/news/1258348

 

[Front Foot Pull]

"It was little slippery, normally that suits batting side rather than bowling side...we should not make that an excuse"
- shakib in press conference when asked about wet field after the play resumed.
Some posters have got their answers i guess.

 

[Mamoon]

I have been reluctant to call you out as believe in live and let live but you sound like Manzoor Pashteen. Are you two related? Just asking as hatred for Pakistan seems quite similar.

To your question, I can't speak for all Pakistani fans but for me if umpires or ICC benefits/sides with Pakistan or any other team doesn't make it right. It is about the game of cricket that is being turned into WWE. Of course you do not seem to understand this as you enjoy trolling and ride on high horse.

Axar Patel's runout went to third ump whereas Kohli forcing / pressuring umpires is different. Similarly with restarting the game when clearly it was wet and Das slipped and hurt himself. Now you tell me honestly - if India was ahead instead of BD , do you think umpires will rush to restart?

Lastly, since you favour Indian team more than your supposed country of birth , don't you feel upset that India being such strong team winning matches in such circumstances? If they are really that good then Kohli shouldn't be pressuring umpires and neither umpires (potentially awaiting IPL contracts) be forced to restart match in a rush as India were behind.

I don't have hatred for Pakistan. I dislike the Pakistani fans because Pakistani fans are by far the most delusional set of fans in the world who don't know the first thing about cricket and will always play victim whenever India is involved.

Nawaz the choker bowled two identical, borderline full-tosses in the over. The umpire could have easily declared the first one no-ball but Nawaz got away with it. If you do the same thing again in the same over, the chances are high that you will be punished.

Whether the Axar Patel run-out was adjudged by the TV umpire or on-field umpire is not even relevant. The point is that it was not a conclusive decision and it went Pakistan's way when it could have easily gone in favor of the batsman because of the benefit of doubt premise. If the roles were reversed and it was a Pakistani batsman batting, our crybaby fans would use that example to criticize the umpires for showing bias.

However, now that it does not fit the narrative, it has become an inconvenient example. Yes the game would have restarted if India was behind D/L. Thankfully, I am not a Pakistani supporter with an incurable victim mentality. The wet conditions favored Bangladesh more because it is difficult to bowl with the wet ball, the RRR was manageable and they had all 10 wickets in hand.

The conditions were slippery for everyone not just the Bangladeshis. Bangladesh choked and India held its nerve under pressure.

As far as Kohli pressurizing umpires is concerned, discussing decisions with umpires and voicing your opinion is not illegal as long as you are not being aggressive. It happens in every sport. When Sarfaraz was Pakistan captain, he would frequently contest on-field decisions. How many times did these IPL paid umpires ask him to stop?

Ultimately, it is the umpire's decision to make and they have not made any call in this World Cup in favor of India that can be considered as unfair. In fact, a lot of close decisions have gone against India in this very World Cup including DK's run-out and catch today. However, there is no limit to the imagination of delusional Pakistani supporters.

This has been a great World Cup with a lot of twist and turns and unpredictable events, but there is only constant: Pakistani fans crying.

India vs Pakistan - Pakistani fans crying because of biased umpiring
India vs South Africa - Pakistani fans crying because India lost deliberately to harm Pakistan's chances of going through
India vs Bangladesh - Pakistani fans crying because of biased umpiring

Luckily, Bangladesh gave India a proper fight today because we all know what would have happened if it would have been a one-sided thrashing. Pakistani fans insulting and abusing Bangladeshi players and Bangladeshi board for selling out and fixing the game just like they accused Afghanistan last year. Full credit goes to Bangladeshi players for saving their dignity from rabid Pakistani fans.

 

[Front Foot Pull]

When did a damp outfield become a disadvantage to fielding side? You are saying that a damp field where the ball is gonna stop is a disadvantage? Really?

Shakib himself said normally wet outfield favours batting side, go watch.
wet ball + slipping fielders outweighs any disadvantage of ball not running fast enough to boundary. why is it so difficult to understand such an easy thing for some one who watches so much cricket? haven't you heard comms mention this millions of times in all of the previous wet outfield matches that ever happened?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Fake fielding lol May be Shami should have mankaded Litton Das as he was outside the crease for Shami backing up, but when Ashwin bowled he stayed in the crease. He didn't get a head start. A reason why he was run out.

 

[ekpakistani]

Everybody should listen to Shakib's post match comments where he clearly said that wet conditions are usually worse for the fielding side and he didn't see much wrong with the fame being restarted.

BD captain not complaining but intellectuals who haven't played club cricket are whinging.

And then people say it has nothing to do with PAK's qualification

If you are taking that into account then should also accept what Nurul said today.

Nurul mentioned the incident while talking to reporters after the game.

"We all saw that it was a wet ground," Nurul said. "Eventually, when we talk about these things, there was also a fake throw. It could have been a five-run penalty. That also could have gone our way, but unfortunately, even that didn't materialise."

 

[ekpakistani]

Kohli also did fake fielding in the 7th over, for which India were not penalized 5 runs. In the grand scheme of things, those 5 runs could have made a big difference.

The quality of umpiring was truly shambolic today.

Exactly and this is what BD player Nurul mentioned today.

Nurul mentioned the incident while talking to reporters after the game.

"We all saw that it was a wet ground," Nurul said. "Eventually, when we talk about these things, there was also a fake throw. It could have been a five-run penalty. That also could have gone our way, but unfortunately, even that didn't materialise."

 

[ekpakistani]

I don't have hatred for Pakistan. I dislike the Pakistani fans because Pakistani fans are by far the most delusional set of fans in the world who don't know the first thing about cricket and will always play victim whenever India is involved.

Nawaz the choker bowled two identical, borderline full-tosses in the over. The umpire could have easily declared the first one no-ball but Nawaz got away with it. If you do the same thing again in the same over, the chances are high that you will be punished.

Whether the Axar Patel run-out was adjudged by the TV umpire or on-field umpire is not even relevant. The point is that it was not a conclusive decision and it went Pakistan's way when it could have easily gone in favor of the batsman because of the benefit of doubt premise. If the roles were reversed and it was a Pakistani batsman batting, our crybaby fans would use that example to criticize the umpires for showing bias.

However, now that it does not fit the narrative, it has become an inconvenient example. Yes the game would have restarted if India was behind D/L. Thankfully, I am not a Pakistani supporter with an incurable victim mentality. The wet conditions favored Bangladesh more because it is difficult to bowl with the wet ball, the RRR was manageable and they had all 10 wickets in hand.

The conditions were slippery for everyone not just the Bangladeshis. Bangladesh choked and India held its nerve under pressure.

As far as Kohli pressurizing umpires is concerned, discussing decisions with umpires and voicing your opinion is not illegal as long as you are not being aggressive. It happens in every sport. When Sarfaraz was Pakistan captain, he would frequently contest on-field decisions. How many times did these IPL paid umpires ask him to stop?

Ultimately, it is the umpire's decision to make and they have not made any call in this World Cup in favor of India that can be considered as unfair. In fact, a lot of close decisions have gone against India in this very World Cup including DK's run-out and catch today. However, there is no limit to the imagination of delusional Pakistani supporters.

This has been a great World Cup with a lot of twist and turns and unpredictable events, but there is only constant: Pakistani fans crying.

India vs Pakistan - Pakistani fans crying because of biased umpiring
India vs South Africa - Pakistani fans crying because India lost deliberately to harm Pakistan's chances of going through
India vs Bangladesh - Pakistani fans crying because of biased umpiring

Luckily, Bangladesh gave India a proper fight today because we all know what would have happened if it would have been a one-sided thrashing. Pakistani fans insulting and abusing Bangladeshi players and Bangladeshi board for selling out and fixing the game just like they accused Afghanistan last year. Full credit goes to Bangladeshi players for saving their dignity from rabid Pakistani fans.

You are mixing things. It happens due to bias or tunnel vision. You seem to be making conclusions that just because someone complains about biased umpiring that they have victim mentality.

If it helps you I do think Pakistan has played poorly in first two games. Yet at same time facts are umpires have sided with India and Kohli. Let me repeat what I said - even if umpires favoured Pakistan or any other team , it will be wrong and should be called out.

We can agree to disagree as I am not trying to change your mind.

Just stop throwing tantrums (or don't) where you make sweeping statements against all Pakistan fans. If you have so much dislike/hatred for Pakistan fans then I wonder what you are doing on this forum, besides trolling.

 

[murakh1]

This is what we are saying the wet ball doesn't travel very far which was a Hugh disadvantage for bangladesh so the conditions we not equal for both teams bangla were doing very well until rain. Also why was it was called off when it rained roughly around the same amount of time during the ireland and England game the referee waiting good hour or so for field to get dried while covers were lifted while it's still raining during india vs Bangladesh game??

So According To Your Logic Umpires Wanted Ireland To Win That Match Against England With The Help Of DLS But Not Bangladesh Against India? But Sir Have You Think, May Be Because Thats Why This Time Umpires Have Shown The Urgency, Who Knows? 2 3 Washed Out Games In This ICC WC Event Might Be Another Reason

 

[charlie007]

Here is just one example ..now I wait for you to twist this

https://www.t20worldcup.com/news/1258348

Try again - Braithwaite was fined for dissent (he spoke a few choice words and gestured to the umpire) after the umpire gave a wide. He had done it before in a game against England too and had gotten fined.
Numerous Indian batsmen have gotten fined for protesting against umpire’s decisions.
Kohli did not dissent - he asked for it before the umpire gave it. If you watched the match, that last Bangladeshi batsman too asked for a wide having already shuffled and gone close to the ball.

Now stop whining like a kid who’s candy has been stolen and cheer up! The world’s not falling.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I don't get why certain cynical and self-loathing posters keep bringing Pakistan into this. As if it's impossible for a poster from Pakistan to talk about this match objectively. Bangladesh had a great chance to cause a major upset today but were robbed of the opportunity to do so because of some very dubious decisions taken by the umpires. Don't get what that has to do with Pakistan, who, for all intents and purposes, were out of the tournament anyway.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Fake fielding lol May be Shami should have mankaded Litton Das as he was outside the crease for Shami backing up, but when Ashwin bowled he stayed in the crease. He didn't get a head start. A reason why he was run out.

Here's the difference between the two: Kohli did DO fake-fielding. Shami and Ashwin did NOT mankad.

Also, if Liton Das was getting a head-start and India did not mankad him, then that's incompetence on their part. Had they gotten Das out early, maybe the game wouldn't have gone as deep and India would have gotten a huge NRR boost as well.

 

[JaDed]

I don't get why certain cynical and self-loathing posters keep bringing Pakistan into this. As if it's impossible for a poster from Pakistan to talk about this match objectively. Bangladesh had a great chance to cause a major upset today but were robbed of the opportunity to do so because of some very dubious decisions taken by the umpires. Don't get what that has to do with Pakistan, who, for all intents and purposes, were out of the tournament anyway.

Yes but surprisingly BD skipper doesn’t seem to think so , my assumption is Pakistani posters are robbed off something and that’s why maybe Pakistan team comes into picture?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Yes but surprisingly BD skipper doesn’t seem to think so , my assumption is Pakistani posters are robbed off something and that’s why maybe Pakistan team comes into picture?

You mean the same Bangladeshi skipper who was having animated conversations with the umpires when they hold him that his team had to go bat on a soaking wet outfield? There's a difference between being diplomatic and being stupid.

Pakistani fans were robbed of nothing. They lost their chance to qualify the moment they lost to Zimbabwe.

 

[happydavy]

This is why i have been saying from the beginning that india can't win the tournament. Thr entire ecosystem helps us in every possible manner from umpires to administrators to scheduling to venue selection, and the most embarassing part is we still aren't able to win trophies.

Game was restarted in such urgency only and only because as per D/L more the overs lost, easier was B'desh target. Had 10 overs been lost, their target would have been 23 runs of 3 overs.

As a kid, i remember crying my heart out when we lost the 96 semis to Lanka, such was the passion and for a brief moment post victory against Pakistan in the first match, i felt somewhat similar passion when Kohli did what he did to make our diwali special. But after watching today's game highlights, it's back to normal for me. I detest Indian cricket of today's, the tipping point for me was the shameless manner in which IPL games were being played in Delhi last year hoarding crucial resources from ambulances to beds while the entire city needed those badly. And as much as i dislike Ashwin for he's such an ordinary spinner, but he's the only player i respect as a human being as he was the only one to raise his hand and said enough is enough and he can't continue playing IPL when people were dying around him.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Kohli also did fake fielding in the 7th over, for which India were not penalized 5 runs. In the grand scheme of things, those 5 runs could have made a big difference.

The quality of umpiring was truly shambolic today.

Neither Shanto nor Litton Das were even watching KOhli. it was a single. That's it. Nobody was distracted. Nurul Hossein watching on TV may got distracted

Watch this. This is what the actual distraction

 

[rhony]

You mean the same Bangladeshi skipper who was having animated conversations with the umpires when they hold him that his team had to go bat on a soaking wet outfield? There's a difference between being diplomatic and being stupid.

Pakistani fans were robbed of nothing. They lost their chance to qualify the moment they lost to Zimbabwe.

Umpires will decide when the game will start. BD skipper can hide in the dugout dreaming of winning without completing the game.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Did you watch shakibs full pc ? He also said "what can I do?"

Besides Nurul complained publicly about Kohlis fake fielding and wet conditions, why do you ignore him?

As I said I pity Indian team as they resort to winning in such a manner. Naturally Modi is your pm ... What else to expect.

Unless it is an attempt to distract a batsman Nurual is talking trash. Law is not for distracting players sitting in the dug out. It is for distracting the actual players. Nobody got distracted there. Both completed their run and settled.

 

[happydavy]

Umpires will decide when the game will start. BD skipper can hide in the dugout dreaming of winning without completing the game.

Of course umpires have the right to decide, just that they are using that right to pass favours to India is what's being debated on this forum.

 

[Gollum]

The game is losing its appeal after decisions on and off the field that seem to favour India against other teams. I hope ICC corrects it sooner than later other wise welcome to WWE Cricket.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Of course umpires have the right to decide, just that they are using that right to pass favours to India is what's being debated on this forum.

It doesn't look like a debate. More like desperation as Pakistan's chances in WT hinged mainly on this match. Unusually Pakistan fans significantly showed more concern about these "imaginary biases" than Bangladesh fans. Same fans who trolled, crucified BD at every chance are suddenly showing outrage on behalf of them One Bangladeshi fan had to say this "They just pretend to care because they depend on the result of this match" lol

 

[James]

I’ve had to delete a lot from today.

Please improve the posting quality in this thread.

 

[happydavy]

Unless it is an attempt to distract a batsman Nurual is talking trash. Law is not for distracting players sitting in the dug out. It is for distracting the actual players. Nobody got distracted there. Both completed their run and settled.

Sorry you are wrong. Law is about the attempt to distract a batsman and not whether the batsman actually got distracted or not, even as per Cricinfo which usually never types anything against India or Kohli. I just saw the replay and while Nurul doesn't need to raise this point as batsman easily completed the run but technically he's absolutely correct as Kohli was trying to distract the batsman and umpire indeed missed it.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Sorry you are wrong. Law is about the attempt to distract a batsman and not whether the batsman actually got distracted or not, even as per Cricinfo which usually never types anything against India or Kohli. I just saw the replay and while Nurul doesn't need to raise this point as batsman easily completed the run but technically he's absolutely correct as Kohli was trying to distract the batsman and umpire indeed missed it.

No. Which batsman was distracted there? Tell me. He should have immediately raised it. India was actually impacted by it when Bhuvi attempted a second run. Chandimal did a sliding fielding where there was no ball.

According to the new ICC rules, this is “fake fielding”. However, on-field umpires – Nigel Llong, Joel Wilson decided against handing a penalty. This left an animated Indian skipper Virat Kohli visibly unimpressed as he gestured towards the cameras for a penalty of five runs.

So much for Pro BCCI lol. Umpires make the final call whether batsman got distracted or not. They don't blindly follow the book.

https://crickettimes.com/2017/11/vi...l-attempts-fake-fielding-but-goes-unpunished/

 

[jnaveen1980]

Not long ago Fakhar Zaman was run out after getting distracted by Dekock's gesture. Not penalized. This law is a stupid law in the first place. That is why they evaluate whether it is distracting anyone or not before awarding penalty.

 

[happydavy]

No. Which batsman was distracted there? Tell me. He should have immediately raised it. India was actually impacted by it when Bhuvi attempted a second run. Chandimal did a sliding fielding where there was no ball.

According to the new ICC rules, this is “fake fielding”. However, on-field umpires – Nigel Llong, Joel Wilson decided against handing a penalty. This left an animated Indian skipper Virat Kohli visibly unimpressed as he gestured towards the cameras for a penalty of five runs.

So much for Pro BCCI lol. Umpires make the final call whether batsman got distracted or not. They don't blindly follow the book.

https://crickettimes.com/2017/11/vi...l-attempts-fake-fielding-but-goes-unpunished/

Did u even read my post? I said that just the attempt by a fielder to distract is good enough for umpire to give penalty runs. It doesn't matter whether batsman actually got distracted or not. Law is based upon someone doing a foul act and not whether the act itself caused any damage or not.


As per Cricinfo - The replay could be interpreted as an attempt at deception from Kohli, given that Arshdeep's throw from the deep passed by his right hand at the same moment that he motioned a relay throw. ESPNcricinfo understands that the ruling, which needs to be made by the umpires in real time, is about the attempt to deceive the batters, rather than them actually being deceived.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Did u even read my post? I said that just the attempt by a fielder to distract is good enough for umpire to give penalty runs. It doesn't matter whether batsman actually got distracted or not. Law is based upon someone doing a foul act and not whether the act itself caused any damage or not.

Not really. If someone soemewhere on the boundary doing some bowling action he will be penalized?

 

[happydavy]

Not really. If someone soemewhere on the boundary doing some bowling action he will be penalized?

"Since Arshdeep's throw from the deep passed by his right hand at the same moment that he motioned a relay throw", hence deception. Someone doing Bhangra at boundary line with ball nowhere around him is harmless.

 

[jnaveen1980]

"Since Arshdeep's throw from the deep passed by his right hand at the same moment that he motioned a relay throw", hence deception. Someone doing Bhangra at boundary line with ball nowhere around him is harmless.

Who did he attempt to "distract" tell me. Chandimal did far worse which actually impacted the batsman. Umpires flat out rejected awarding penalty. Other t han those who watched outside the ground nobody knew about that lol

 

[Major]

Shakib himself said normally wet outfield favours batting side, go watch.
wet ball + slipping fielders outweighs any disadvantage of ball not running fast enough to boundary. why is it so difficult to understand such an easy thing for some one who watches so much cricket? haven't you heard comms mention this millions of times in all of the previous wet outfield matches that ever happened?

Listen to what Nuruk said than. On nvm, you will pick and choose who to listen

 

[Front Foot Pull]

Listen to what Nuruk said than. On nvm, you will pick and choose who to listen

let the umpires take a look at the incident and take appropriate action, whatever that is. least cares. good job ignoring the rest of the post. so many years of watching cricket yet pretending that the wet outfield favours bowling side
also rofl at all those conspiracy threads have nothing to do with pak..statements getting brutally exposed by screenshots of your posts by other members )

 

[Punjab Kings]

You can watch it a million times and spend a lifetime analyzing it. You will not find a frame where it is conclusive that the bails were dislodged by the ball and not the gloves.

There was no evidence either in favor or against Axar Patel. It was a 50-50 call that went Pakistan's way even though the benefit of doubt could have easily gone to the batsman.

As I said, if the roles were reversed and it was a Pakistani batsman, the crybaby fans would be crying as usual and using it as an example to show how the umpires were biased towards India.

But in case of Axar Patel decision was given after proper checking....

 

[pakpassfan]

Please give me an honest reply..do you think the match would have restarted the way it did if India was ahead in d/l?

India brings most of the money..literally 95% of revenue for everyone involved comes if India is involved in cricket so it's understandable that India gets the privileged treatment.

 

[rhony]

Please give me an honest reply..do you think the match would have restarted the way it did if India was ahead in d/l?

India brings most of the money..literally 95% of revenue for everyone involved comes if India is involved in cricket so it's understandable that India gets the privileged treatment.

Yes it would have. The completed game shows umpires were right. The umpires tried to continue the Zim vs SA game while it was raining. The goal is to play. Shakib and a bunch of fans are crying for no reason. The outfield was fine. There were a lot of boundaries. Lots of catches. Bowlers were able to grip the ball.

 

[bluefan]

The BCCI had no influence to resume play. If you are a neutral fan; Bangladesh winning would have been a good outcome; since the rest of the group matches would matter. I feel bad for Litton Das, since he played a special innings. I realize a losing player will not get man of the match; but I feel he deserved it.

 

[pakpassfan]

Yes it would have. The completed game shows umpires were right. The umpires tried to continue the Zim vs SA game while it was raining. The goal is to play. Shakib and a bunch of fans are crying for no reason. The outfield was fine. There were a lot of boundaries. Lots of catches. Bowlers were able to grip the ball.

Where is shakib crying..he is literally giving diplomatic answers in press conference..you hate is showing

 

[rhony]

Where is shakib crying..he is literally giving diplomatic answers in press conference..you hate is showing

He was crying and arguing when the umpires wanted to start the play. My guess is he was already dreaming of the parade in Dhaka. He changed his tune post match and indicated rightly that rain helps batting side more than the bowling side. Common sense finally prevailed. My hate or love is immaterial

 

[Sunny_majoka]

Wet outfield favours batting side, Bangladesh played poorly, we should blame our own team for choking against Zimbabwe and not icc or BCCI for every match india plays.

 

[WengerOut]

When SA and Zim were playing water polo, batting side did not have complaints and they were smacking sixes and fours at will. It was the bowling side who complained about the situation. However when India is involved, common logic goes out of the window even if it is not raining.

 

[mastermind_quad]

When SA and Zim were playing water polo, batting side did not have complaints and they were smacking sixes and fours at will. It was the bowling side who complained about the situation. However when India is involved, common logic goes out of the window even if it is not raining.

Yeah, in these type of situation it is always fielding side who can complain and request to stop playing citing dangerous situation for fielder etc.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Please give me an honest reply..do you think the match would have restarted the way it did if India was ahead in d/l?

India brings most of the money..literally 95% of revenue for everyone involved comes if India is involved in cricket so it's understandable that India gets the privileged treatment.

Then soft signal would not have been NOT OUT for DK's catch. Almost always soft signal is OUT. Only reason DK's catch of LItton Das was not out because soft signal was NOT OUT. If that had been given out he would have been gone. This is not privelege. They have mechanisms in place to ascertain whether condition are okay for play. The rain break cost only 4 overs meaning they didn't lose a whole lot of time. Also it was only a drizzle. it was not exactly pouring.

 

[Smbhayi]

Here is just one example ..now I wait for you to twist this

https://www.t20worldcup.com/news/1258348

showing dissent at an umpire’s decision during an international match..
Means he argued with umpire.. Kohli there didn't argue, he just asking (like other batsman do in same situation).. and Kohli too get fined for showing dissent in the past..

 

[Smbhayi]

Not long ago Fakhar Zaman was run out after getting distracted by Dekock's gesture. Not penalized. This law is a stupid law in the first place. That is why they evaluate whether it is distracting anyone or not before awarding penalty.

Fake fielding should be allowed, it's batsman responsibilty to know where is the ball .

 

[jnaveen1980]

Fake fielding should be allowed, it's batsman responsibilty to know where is the ball .

Even if the law exists umpires determine what constitutes fake fielding. First and foremost thing they look for is whether the players were impacted or not.

 

[Executioner]

I saw the fake fielding incident in real time and it was definitely one that should have been penalized. Now once again, I am not accusing ICC and umpires of being biased.

This happened just prior to the rain break and it looked like Kohli was faking a throw. Whether the batsman got distracted ultimately is irrelevant here, you are not supposed to make a fake attempt nonetheless and it should be penalized nonetheless. Now for those saying that it is upto the batsman for being smart enough not to be distracted by a fake throw. Well yes but as a fielder you cannot perform a fake throw. I am not bothered about the fact whether these 5 runs would have impacted the outcome of the match, which we should have won but we failed to do so due to our shortcomings, but rather the fact that someone made a violation and got away with it.

 

[Executioner]

Then soft signal would not have been NOT OUT for DK's catch. Almost always soft signal is OUT. Only reason DK's catch of LItton Das was not out because soft signal was NOT OUT. If that had been given out he would have been gone. This is not privelege. They have mechanisms in place to ascertain whether condition are okay for play. The rain break cost only 4 overs meaning they didn't lose a whole lot of time. Also it was only a drizzle. it was not exactly pouring.

If you look at that, replays shows that the ball hit the ground just before it got into his gloves. The third umpire didnt spend too much time seeing the replay which means there was not much of a doubt in his mind. So even if Das was given out on-field, the decision would probably have been reviewed. Even when I saw it in real time it looked like it dropped short of DK.

 

[jnaveen1980]

If you look at that, replays shows that the ball hit the ground just before it got into his gloves. The third umpire didnt spend too much time seeing the replay which means there was not much of a doubt in his mind. So even if Das was given out on-field, the decision would probably have been reviewed. Even when I saw it in real time it looked like it dropped short of DK.

In real time it looked out. Even the angle they showed was inconclusive. Umpires these days give soft signal out based on the word from players in deep. If the umpires are 'sell out" as some imply they would have given OUT as soft signal.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I saw the fake fielding incident in real time and it was definitely one that should have been penalized. Now once again, I am not accusing ICC and umpires of being biased.

This happened just prior to the rain break and it looked like Kohli was faking a throw. Whether the batsman got distracted ultimately is irrelevant here, you are not supposed to make a fake attempt nonetheless and it should be penalized nonetheless. Now for those saying that it is upto the batsman for being smart enough not to be distracted by a fake throw. Well yes but as a fielder you cannot perform a fake throw. I am not bothered about the fact whether these 5 runs would have impacted the outcome of the match, which we should have won but we failed to do so due to our shortcomings, but rather the fact that someone made a violation and got away with it.

No. It is entirely subject to umpire inrepretation. Umpires didn't see, actual batsmen didn't see. India had similar situation where chandimal did fake fielding and prervented an extra run from Bhuvi. Kohli himself suggested it should have been penalized. Umpires flat out refused. otherwise batsmen can claim everything as distraction. Umpire would not have awarded 5 run penalty. The batsmen completed the 2 runs that were available without any fuss. Where is this fake fielding coming into picture. With fakhar zaman he was even run out based on his distraction by QDK's signal. He was declared out. No penalty awarded.

 

[WengerOut]

The logic behind soft signal decision.

Umpire goes to leg umpire

Umpire : "What did you see?"

Leg Umpire : " Wait, are we suppose to look at these things? When in doubt call the third umpire dude "

U : "The custom is we need to give a soft signal. What should we do?"

LU: "What is the current score? If it is odd number, lets give OUT, even is NOT OUT."

U: "Genius.. The third umpire should be looking all these. We are here to signal boundaries and dismissals."

 

[Shafi]

@ Major, that's how this System works. When you have money and power you can claim night as day and others will agree with you.
But we should blame ourselves for having lool captain, players selection, coaching staff along with play poorly. We should deserve to loose both againsr S Africa and BD. Even Netherlands won against Zimbabwe.

 

[Executioner]

No. It is entirely subject to umpire inrepretation. Umpires didn't see, actual batsmen didn't see. India had similar situation where chandimal did fake fielding and prervented an extra run from Bhuvi. Kohli himself suggested it should have been penalized. Umpires flat out refused. otherwise batsmen can claim everything as distraction. Umpire would not have awarded 5 run penalty. The batsmen completed the 2 runs that were available without any fuss. Where is this fake fielding coming into picture. With fakhar zaman he was even run out based on his distraction by QDK's signal. He was declared out. No penalty awarded.

1 - It is subjective yes, and subjectively that certainly looked like fake fielding which was an attempt to either deceive or get into the batsmen's head or both. Either way you are supposed to penalize these.

2 - I believe i didnt see that game but based on your account that should have been penalized and 5 runs should have been awarded. I maintain my stance here.

3 - Yes batsmen got the runs easily and the fake fielding is inconsequential. But my point is simple, the fielders should not make me faking throws. Both openers can be very well inside the crease and the fielder can still fake a throw and i believe the fielding team should be penalized. Once again, i am not making a fuss because of being robbed off runs or anything. I do not think BD should have won the match even after being awarded, rather I think such activities should not be done in the game and should be penalized. Heck if its a post-match fine or NRR penalty or something I am fine with it.

4 - I watched the De kock incident in the past and there are two possibilities - De kock actually deceived in which case he should be penalized OR he was asking the bowler to go to the other end in case of a relay but need an actual account of the players.

Once again, i am fine if the rule says BD should be awarded 1 run for that incident and goes onto lose.

 

[Executioner]

In real time it looked out. Even the angle they showed was inconclusive. Umpires these days give soft signal out based on the word from players in deep. If the umpires are 'sell out" as some imply they would have given OUT as soft signal.

Obviously we both can be biased here but I would like for you to trust me on my opinion. In RT i believed that looked short and from the replay it did feel like the ball dropped in front which is why it seemed conclusive to the umpire for which he didnt take too long to make a call.

Now, i will add that this what I observed and what the umpire observed from 2D image. We are watching a 2D image of something in 3D which makes things slightly unclear and I am not too educated on this so experts can give better idea.

And I do not feel the umpires are sellout. They make wrong decisions true but those are mistakes. here are my opinions about a few decisions

1) That last over no-ball should not have been called a no-ball
2) Axar should not have been given runout because rizwan hit the stumps first
3) Yesterday DK was given out but i think though the ball hit the stumps first, it did not push the stumps enough to dislodge the bail - it was ultimately the hands. Now i am not fully aware of the exact law and I could be wrong but to me that should not have been out. Although one can argue that the heavier zing bails weigh too much and a traditional bail would have easily been dislodged.

 

[Executioner]

Irrespective of whatever happened, Bangladesh unfortunately missed out on the win because of not just being good enough with their catching, giving extras and middle order panicking.

I firmly believe that the umpires are slightly biased subconsciously (NOT CONCIOUSLY) towards big teams - not just India, but I also firmly believe that Bangladesh had an easy total to chase after the interruption and 100 percent of the blame goes to the players. ICC - Umpires had no agenda of ensuring India gets over the line.

 

[jnaveen1980]

1 - It is subjective yes, and subjectively that certainly looked like fake fielding which was an attempt to either deceive or get into the batsmen's head or both. Either way you are supposed to penalize these.

2 - I believe i didnt see that game but based on your account that should have been penalized and 5 runs should have been awarded. I maintain my stance here.

3 - Yes batsmen got the runs easily and the fake fielding is inconsequential. But my point is simple, the fielders should not make me faking throws. Both openers can be very well inside the crease and the fielder can still fake a throw and i believe the fielding team should be penalized. Once again, i am not making a fuss because of being robbed off runs or anything. I do not think BD should have won the match even after being awarded, rather I think such activities should not be done in the game and should be penalized. Heck if its a post-match fine or NRR penalty or something I am fine with it.

4 - I watched the De kock incident in the past and there are two possibilities - De kock actually deceived in which case he should be penalized OR he was asking the bowler to go to the other end in case of a relay but need an actual account of the players.

Once again, i am fine if the rule says BD should be awarded 1 run for that incident and goes onto lose.

Other than Nurul nobody noticed even from outside. We all watched live. Did anyone see that? It was an inconsequential act which played no part. Anyway first and foremost requirement is that has to be called in real time. Second of all umpire has to analyze and see if it is indeed a deliberate attempt. Based on other incidents this would not have been considered a deliberate act.

Johnny Bairstow pretended to collect the ball and run Steve smith out as Steve smith was running towards his end. Ball was not in his hand. Smith believed it and ended up diving. This was not considered a fake fielding because England did not gain any advantage of it. This law was introduced was also for another reason. Often times at lower levels, keeper/fielders pretend as if they failed to collect the ball and let the batsman take a run. Once they are out of the crease they would run the batsman out. Same way preventing batsman from taking a run by pretending to have the ball. Even this is very vague definition at best. Umpire still has to determine whether it is deliberate or not. If nobody on the ground mainly the players didn't see this , fake fielding argument goes right out of the window.

Regarding De kock incident Bavuma said Dekock was smart there. DIdn't do anything wrong. He may have distracted. But Fakkhar has no reason to turn his head around and see. He should have made a dash without looking at other things.

This is a completely trivial thing. Trying to steal 5 runs on a "technicality" was never going to materialize even if this was reported in real time. Neither batsmen had any issues with that.

 

[Sir Alex]

Re : Fake fielding, isn't it the law that umpires give a final warning first?

 

[Executioner]

Other than Nurul nobody noticed even from outside. We all watched live. Did anyone see that? It was an inconsequential act which played no part. Anyway first and foremost requirement is that has to be called in real time. Second of all umpire has to analyze and see if it is indeed a deliberate attempt. Based on other incidents this would not have been considered a deliberate act.

Johnny Bairstow pretended to collect the ball and run Steve smith out as Steve smith was running towards his end. Ball was not in his hand. Smith believed it and ended up diving. This was not considered a fake fielding because England did not gain any advantage of it. This law was introduced was also for another reason. Often times at lower levels, keeper/fielders pretend as if they failed to collect the ball and let the batsman take a run. Once they are out of the crease they would run the batsman out. Same way preventing batsman from taking a run by pretending to have the ball. Even this is very vague definition at best. Umpire still has to determine whether it is deliberate or not. If nobody on the ground mainly the players didn't see this , fake fielding argument goes right out of the window.

Regarding De kock incident Bavuma said Dekock was smart there. DIdn't do anything wrong. He may have distracted. But Fakkhar has no reason to turn his head around and see. He should have made a dash without looking at other things.

This is a completely trivial thing. Trying to steal 5 runs on a "technicality" was never going to materialize even if this was reported in real time. Neither batsmen had any issues with that.

If it is trivial then might as well remove it from the law, as simple as that.

 

[Executioner]

I watched it live and yes I did notice it myself in real time. Not many did but it did not escape my eye. It was inconsequential and it didnt distract anyone but if the law states that a fielding unit should be penalized for this then penalize them.

Might as well scrap the law if you feel that it is not appropriate.

 

[Shafi]

Brutal World cup made Pakistanis cry every India match!

Nobody is crying. Most Pakistan fans wants us to fail otherwise same players will be retained for years with no improvement.
But truth is truth. Kohli did fake fielding and India should be penalised by 5 runs. If Umpires can't see they could refer to 3rd umpire. India is far better than Bangladesh, Pakistan for sure but what the point if other team plays better and they have to loose it because of their low rank?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Then last year, Pakistan was denied a fake fielding penalty in a close finish against South Africa. With Pakistan needing 31 runs to win off last six, Fakhar Zaman was run out after South African wicketkeeper, Quinton de Kock, appeared to signal that a throw from the deep was heading to the bowler’s end.

Fakhar, thinking that the ball wasn’t coming to his end, slowed down only for Aiden Markram’s throw to hit the stumps at the keeper’s end, catching him short of his crease.

Any opinion on this? Is SA also getting help from the umpires?

 

[WengerOut]

BCCI wants Pak to lose i guess. They have made umpires to decide to continue in rain. #EvilBCCI

 

[Shafi]

Then last year, Pakistan was denied a fake fielding penalty in a close finish against South Africa. With Pakistan needing 31 runs to win off last six, Fakhar Zaman was run out after South African wicketkeeper, Quinton de Kock, appeared to signal that a throw from the deep was heading to the bowler’s end.

Fakhar, thinking that the ball wasn’t coming to his end, slowed down only for Aiden Markram’s throw to hit the stumps at the keeper’s end, catching him short of his crease.

Any opinion on this? Is SA also getting help from the umpires?

To be honest this current Pakistan team has no future under lool management and captain. Deserve to loose so there could be some changes for better in future.

 

[Firebat]

There's a difference between pointing out hypocrisy and bad opinions vs opening troll threads where every post is sarcastic, unserious, trolling, throwing egg on other posters' faces etc. You can do that here.

Easy to understand, no need to be emotional.

 

[Major]

Now let's see what they do against Zimbabwe. Would be hilarious if they pull out something against them.

 

[Major]

'The match resumed immediately after rain': Afridi on journalist's 'ICC India ko semis mein pohuchana chahta hai' claim

"Shakib Al Hasan bhi yehi keh rahe thhe. Aur woh screen par bhi dikhaya gaya. Aap ne ground dekhi... geeli thi. Par mujhe lagta hai ki ICC ka jhukaav jo hai, woh zara India ko kisi tareeke se semifinal pohuchaane ke liye kar raha hai. Aur umpires bhi wohi thhe jo Pakistan ke match mein the. Puuri duniya ke behtereen umpire ka award bhi unko jaana chahiye," he said live on SAMAA TV.

Hindustan times

 

[Major]

Meanwhile rain has stopped but drying the outfield.

So that proves, this immediate start was only done in that India game against Bangladesh..

 

[Mamoon]

Now Pakistani fans have to rely on opinions of brain dead people like Afridi. The desperation is hilarious. )

 

[Cover Drive Six]

my bet is they will
thats all they know
BCCI and india is cancer to cricket

What India has to do with cricket match?
Grow up kid..

 

[Front Foot Pull]

my bet is they will
thats all they know
BCCI and india is cancer to cricket

says fan of the team whose revenue share is pooled majorly from india.

 

[cricketjoshila]

my bet is they will
thats all they know
BCCI and india is cancer to cricket

Do something about it.

 

[Smbhayi]

There's a difference between pointing out hypocrisy and bad opinions vs opening troll threads where every post is sarcastic, unserious, trolling, throwing egg on other posters' faces etc. You can do that here.

Easy to understand, no need to be emotional.

Not emotional at all..
Btw that thread should have been merged here then... This thread too just hypocritic..

 

[jnaveen1980]

If it is trivial then might as well remove it from the law, as simple as that.

This law was created more for faking that they don't have the ball rather than faking that they have the ball.
The first scenario does a lot more harm as batsmen can be easily caught off guard and get run out. The second scenario doesn't impact much unless the batsman is a ball watcher. Because once you set off for a run you try to run as fast as possible irrespective of whether someone is faking or not. Getting penalty 5 runs for the second scenario is much harder.

 

[sweep_shot]

I am personally not fussy about Kohli's fake throw. It is not a big deal and it shouldn't result in penalty.

But, the game should've been started a bit later (after rain). It was still raining apparently when they took off the cover. It was a bit surprising.