BCCI looking to organise mini IPL overseas

[RamLakhan]

In their bid to cash in on the popularity of IPL among Indian diaspora, Indian Test captain Virat Kohli could be pitted against limited overs skipper Mahendra Singh Dhoni in exhibition matches for their respective franchises in the United States.

According to highly placed sources in the BCCI, three franchises namely Mumbai Indians, RCB and Rising Pune Supergiants have expressed their desire to play some exhibition matches in the US where there is a sizeable Indian and South Asian population.

"The matter is expected to be discussed at the IPL Governing Council in Bengaluru before start of the final match on Sunday. The venue is tentatively Houston," a senior BCCI official told PTI on Saturday.

"However the dates need to be chalked out. Earlier, it was being discussed it would happen in the window available between India's tour of Zimbabwe and West Indies. But it could now be held in September also. All three teams are expected to play against each other. Obviously, major attractions will be Kohli and Dhoni," the official said.

"Houston is one centre that has been zeroed in as it having multiple centres will be a case of logistical nightmare for a short trip of exhibition matches," he said.

For BCCI officials, it would be an opportunity to test waters in the US market which had remained untapped so far.

"In the US, T20 is the only game that can be marketed because of its duration. If we have to squeeze in a Mini-IPL next year, this is the time to send the popular franchises like MI, RCB and check what's response of NRIs and Indian diaspora.

"If the response is good, we can think about expansion. We can also harbour hopes that sponsorship market in the US will open up."

Source: http://www.rediff.com/cricket/repor...o-be-held-in-the-us-in-september/20160528.htm

 

[Arham_PakFan]

May draw in the crowds due to expats but won't help 'white' and African-Americans develop an interest in cricket.

 

[Rafay Shafiq]

Should be on proper cricketing pitch unlike all star matches last year

 

[Slog]

May draw in the crowds due to expats but won't help 'white' and African-Americans develop an interest in cricket.

It's clear motivation is money

In the recent all stars 90+% of the attendees were desi folks. Barely any American even knew of those matches.

This would be same

 

[marlonbrowndo]

The greed is absolutely cringeworthy. Feel sorry for the people who think this is for "spreading the game"

 

[MartyMsd]

Really? If true, awesome. I've never been to a cricket match. Was busy with work during the all-star games. It'd be great to go to an ipl game and experience the atmosphere.

 

[Slog]

The problem is that most second or third generation Indian Americans don't know a whole lot about cricket either

Indian American community is very different from British Indian community in terms of their adherence to Indian sports

 

[Indian_Supporter]

IPL also need to give it a rest. One tournament per year in enough. No need to spread the game in America. Have they ever organized any NFL promotional games in India yet?

2 months of IPL in Apr/May is good enough. No need for more.

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[Kaptan]

People here expect BCCI and IPL to spread cricket.
Its not the job of BCCI to popularize cricket in USA its job of ICC.

"In the US, T20 is the only game that can be marketed because of its duration. If we have to squeeze in a Mini-IPL next year, this is the time to send the popular franchises like MI, RCB and check what's response of NRIs and Indian diaspora. - See more at: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-in-the-U-S-in-September#sthash.Bk2ppxDG.dpuf

And its clear they are only eyeing NRI's and to some extent south asian, they dont care about Americans.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

The greed is absolutely cringeworthy. Feel sorry for the people who think this is for "spreading the game"

Giving fans what they want is greed, but playing Tests to appease a decreasing minority is a great idea?

 

[Zak_Fan]

Greed or not, this is a great service to Cricket. At least more people will hear about our beloved sport.

 

[Hasan123]

Just keep it away from month of February in UAE and have it whenever you want

 

[RamLakhan]

Just keep it away from month of February in UAE and have it whenever you want

All those ground things will be checked by BCCI before organizing.

 

[Hasan123]

All those ground things will be checked by BCCI before organizing.

They can do that just keep it away from February in UAE

 

[RamLakhan]

People here expect BCCI and IPL to spread cricket.
Its not the job of BCCI to popularize cricket in USA its job of ICC.

And its clear they are only eyeing NRI's and to some extent south asian, they dont care about Americans.

At least BCCI are doing this. Americans doesn't have any hope of organizing Baseball in India If Americans don't care about it, then even BCCI doesn't care about Americans, so true!

 

[hussain.r97]

The IPL already takes up 2 months on the calendar, and now they want more

Holding an IPL in the USA has no purpose other than making money. When are they actually going to promote the game to non Indians in the US?

 

[#GreenRoars]

Good luck then.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Holding an IPL in the USA has no purpose other than making money. When are they actually going to promote the game to non Indians in the US?

When they will find some way to make profit, surely they will arrange it for non Indians

 

[hussain.r97]

When they will find some way to make profit, surely they will arrange it for non Indians

Successfully promoting cricket to Americans would actually be profitable and beneficial to cricket in the long run. These people are so short sighted, they just want to make quick profits.

 

[MartyMsd]

Instead of a whole mini-season (whatever it may be),may be they can have ipl all-star games. Like two teams with MS vs Virat or something. Would definitely be better received than last years' series. Or may be matches against CPL teams.

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

Playing a few exhibition matches will be fine. Helps spread the IPL brand and will let the franchises connect with their ovrseas fan base. Not a bad idea.

May not earn any profit though - limited fan base, high operating costs, awkward time for Indian audiences (hence low TV rights value).

Franchises should also look at having a 2nds X1 tournament in Setember. Will help unearth some unknown Indian talents.

 

[Sachin136]

The IPL already takes up 2 months on the calendar, and now they want more

Holding an IPL in the USA has no purpose other than making money. When are they actually going to promote the game to non Indians in the US?

Do you have any ideas about how to do that?

 

[MenInG]

3 hrs game = baseball game so ideal for marketing.

 

[GullyCricketFlop]

This is nothing but a way to mint more money.

2 months of IPL is more than enough.

 

[Executioner]

Don't think it is intended to spread the game really

It really is exhibition matches after all! And ICC really needs to do something about spreading the game but not necessarily in USA. USA are already engaged in a lot of sports but there are some countries in Africa and Asia where cricket is gaining grounds and they will do good to publicize the sport there.

 

[hussain.r97]

Do you have any ideas about how to do that?

It may not be easy, but it's possible. Look at the way football and rugby have made inroads in America, all due to proper promotion of the game.

Why don't the ICC actually spend money on bringing cricket to mainstream TV there, establish cricket in schools there, advertise cricket through mainstream channels of advertising, and hold highly hyped up events involving top players around the world (including non Indian players, to remove the perception of cricket as an Indian sport).

They could even look into hosting a World T20 in the USA with a huge amount of hype. Also, they should try hosting cricket in NFL stadiums rather than Baseball ones. Baseball stadiums are far too small, NFL stadiums would at least give you New Zealand sized stadiums.

 

[Junaids]

People here expect BCCI and IPL to spread cricket.
Its not the job of BCCI to popularize cricket in USA its job of ICC.

And its clear they are only eyeing NRI's and to some extent south asian, they dont care about Americans.

It's a fool's errand to try to make Americans watch cricket.

They already have their own sports, which are part of their identity. Even if it was T10 they still wouldn't go.

 

[hussain.r97]

It may not be easy, but it's possible. Look at the way football and rugby have made inroads in America, all due to proper promotion of the game.

Why don't the ICC actually spend money on bringing cricket to mainstream TV there, establish cricket in schools there, advertise cricket through mainstream channels of advertising, and hold highly hyped up events involving top players around the world (including non Indian players, to remove the perception of cricket as an Indian sport).

They could even look into hosting a World T20 in the USA with a huge amount of hype. Also, they should try hosting cricket in NFL stadiums rather than Baseball ones. Baseball stadiums are far too small, NFL stadiums would at least give you New Zealand sized stadiums.

Scratch that, I misread the dimensions

 

[Junaids]

It may not be easy, but it's possible. Look at the way football and rugby have made inroads in America, all due to proper promotion of the game.

Why don't the ICC actually spend money on bringing cricket to mainstream TV there, establish cricket in schools there, advertise cricket through mainstream channels of advertising, and hold highly hyped up events involving top players around the world (including non Indian players, to remove the perception of cricket as an Indian sport).

They could even look into hosting a World T20 in the USA with a huge amount of hype. Also, they should try hosting cricket in NFL stadiums rather than Baseball ones. Baseball stadiums are far too small, NFL stadiums would at least give you New Zealand sized stadiums.

Rugby has made no inroads at all. Football is watched by the same people who watched the NASL forty years ago.

 

[hussain.r97]

Rugby has made no inroads at all. Football is watched by the same people who watched the NASL forty years ago.

Rugby has made a lot more progress than Cricket, I recall the All Blacks playing in the USA in front of a packed house. Maybe cricket can't make inroads in the USA, but overall the ICC aren't even trying, and are doing a very poor job of spreading cricket worldwide, even in countries with the potential to do well.

 

[USofA]

We have our NFL, MLB, NBA and NHL. No other sport has even a sporting chance of going mainstream. Not Cricket,Soccer, Rugby or anything else that is not American.

 

[dauntless]

Cpl is going to america this year

 

[MartyMsd]

The article in the OP is misleading, here is a better one

http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket...s/news-story/7e63b0e9f80218c9cae85f12e8484f89



Yet their motivation for supposedly seeking a ‘mini-IPL’ comes from an unexpected source.

The country's Supreme Court.

The court handed down several recommendations to the BCCI as part of its ‘Lodha Panel Report’ that initially began looking into corruption in Indian cricket.

One of those recommendations was to drastically reduce the number of advertisements shown during matches played by India’s national team.

If that were to take place, the BCCI would suffer a significant loss of income and would need to make up for that in other ways.

Given the advertising recommendations from the Lodha Panel don’t extend to IPL matches, the BCCI could be keen to stage even more games between IPL franchises to make back this money.

 

[rhony]

The problem is that most second or third generation Indian Americans don't know a whole lot about cricket either

Indian American community is very different from British Indian community in terms of their adherence to Indian sports

Speak for yourself. A lot of 2nd and 3rd gen love their American sports but are also cricket fans.

 

[rhony]

Taking advantage of the enthusiasm in the Indian Diaspora. Nothing wrong with that. BCCI knows how to make money and they couldn't care less about spreading the game. Why is the onus on BCCI to spread the game anyway? Their motives have always been to restrict the number of cricket playing nations and control that group.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

If Im not mistaken, Mark Wahlberg owns a team in the CPL

 

[cric_lover]

Wish this tournament was between IPL and the PSL teams.

 

[hefaith]

Man all those who are saying its for money are the type of people who would do the same.

Money is the most motivating incentive in the world, in all honesty if the BCCI could make decent amounts of money doing this and don't I would question the brains running it, if the PCB was doing everyone here would be singing their praise.

 

[Zohaib Shah]

Why would anyone care about some Indian cities? If they really want to spread cricket than they should do India vs Pakistan in the USA. To show people how its like watching the greatest rivalry of cricket in action.

 

[zoeyfactor]

This is a great idea! I would go and watch

 

[Sidilicious]

Why would anyone care about some Indian cities? If they really want to spread cricket than they should do India vs Pakistan in the USA. To show people how its like watching the greatest rivalry of cricket in action.

Because it's not really a rivalry anymore. Not on cricketing levels at least. And it won't be until you start playing in Pakistan on a regular basis again.


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[Abhilash93]

Its a replacement for Champions league...Hope its better than its predecessor

 

[Thivagar]

The greed is absolutely cringeworthy. Feel sorry for the people who think this is for "spreading the game"

PSL operates the same way.

 

[Thivagar]

Play a game in Toronto. Gujarat vs Punjab or Mumbai will easily get a 40,000+ crowds. I will be attending atleast one IPL game.

 

[Thivagar]

IPL also need to give it a rest. One tournament per year in enough. No need to spread the game in America. Have they ever organized any NFL promotional games in India yet?

2 months of IPL in Apr/May is good enough. No need for more.

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There aren't many US immigrant living in India in large numbers to organize an NFL tournament. There are large cricket fans in US.

 

[f.b.m]

Is there a cricket stadium in the US other than the one in Fort Lauderdale?

 

[Suleiman]

Shows how badly India needs approval of white people, especially the great United States of America.

Think American authorities need to decline this. We already have baseball which is better than IPL but worse than cricket.

Thanks.

 

[Balthazar]

Good, but I would've preferred it in February. They should add some games in that window too.

 

[Asim2Good]

great achievement by IPL if its go ahead
these Franchise leagues are future and BCCI is planing ahead for one of biggest markets in the world

 

[Junaids]

great achievement by IPL if its go ahead
these Franchise leagues are future and BCCI is planing ahead for one of biggest markets in the world

Which big market is that? Indian immigrants to the USA? There are only 3 million of them, and most of them work all the time.

 

[Asim2Good]

Which big market is that? Indian immigrants to the USA? There are only 3 million of them, and most of them work all the time.

USA, once u get into that market then you know it.
it ll take time, but once you are settled, its jackpot. All you need it proper promotion and tv coverage

 

[Junaids]

USA, once u get into that market then you know it.
it ll take time, but once you are settled, its jackpot. All you need it proper promotion and tv coverage

Football still hasn't got that after 45 years.

And almost all immigrants are from football-loving countries.

It is just fantasy to imagine a white, black or Hispanic American taking to cricket ahead of baseball, American Football, basketball or ice hockey.

 

[Asim2Good]

Football still hasn't got that after 45 years.

And almost all immigrants are from football-loving countries.

It is just fantasy to imagine a white, black or Hispanic American taking to cricket ahead of baseball, American Football, basketball or ice hockey.

not saying locals taking cricket as their game, if BCCI is able to make money, that's good enough.
As for football, none of country has tried to get into USA market on regular basis (dont count 4-5 friendly matches in a year)

 

[Junaids]

Mini IPL likely to be held in the U.S. in September

not saying locals taking cricket as their game, if BCCI is able to make money, that's good enough.
As for football, none of country has tried to get into USA market on regular basis (dont count 4-5 friendly matches in a year)

NBC shows English football every Sunday morning and of course MLS has signed global stars like Gerrard, Lampard, Kaka and Pirlo who have much greater recognition than any cricketer ever to have lived.

But this is the crunch. Sports are consumed as viewers by people as their country develops and workers her leisure time.

India is a developing market, in which IPL filled a vacant niche. But that niche is already occupied in the USA.

The only sport with a chance of success is football. Cricket and rugby will be lucky to sell out one match per year - and All Blacks tickets for the match in Chicago are only $45 for the best seats.

In contrast, I'm going to the Final of football's Copa America in New Jersey next month, and my tickets cost $721 each.

 

[Asim2Good]

NBC shows English football every Sunday morning and of course MLS has signed global stars like Gerrard, Lampard, Kaka and Pirlo who have much greater recognition than any cricketer ever to have lived.

But this is the crunch. Sports are consumed as viewers by people as their country develops and workers her leisure time.

India is a developing market, in which IPL filled a vacant niche. But that niche is already occupied in the USA.

The only sport with a chance of success is football. Cricket and rugby will be lucky to sell out one match per year - and All Blacks tickets for the match in Chicago are only $45 for the best seats.

In contrast, I'm going to the Final of football's Copa America in New Jersey next month, and my tickets cost $721 each.

showing football matches and bringing in full teams 2 each from France,Uk,Italian, German leagues on regular basis is totally different.
$720 ticket for game which haven't got into market is pretty good, isn't it

 

[street cricketer]

It's a good move. If there is any tiny way for cricket to tap into the American market, it can only be done through T20 cricket like IPL, BBL or the CPL. The Americans aren't going to be too excited at the prospect of seeing England roll over Sri Lanka, Pakistan or India in tests.

Anyway I think even that is a miniscule chance at best because the Americans already have their slots filled with their own sports and also they have an aversion to anything English. That's why they took to their own version of cricket that is baseball. Still I think they'll make a good profit from south asian immigrants.

 

[big_gamer007]

Lol people here have so much jealousy/hatred.. No one will force you to watch the matches, it's a good thing they are doing it in USA should do exhibition matches around the world every year.. Get up their brand value and entertain the crowd.. Win win for all apart from jealous PPers

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Lol people here have so much jealousy/hatred.. No one will force you to watch the matches, it's a good thing they are doing it in USA should do exhibition matches around the world every year.. Get up their brand value and entertain the crowd.. Win win for all apart from jealous PPers

Stop being so defensive. No one is jealous. What about Indians who hate IPL. Are they also jealous? The fact is that T20 leagues are bringing the quality of cricket down.

 

[big_gamer007]

Stop being so defensive. No one is jealous. What about Indians who hate IPL. Are they also jealous? The fact is that T20 leagues are bringing the quality of cricket down.

It's a string of exhibition matches.. If you don't like don't watch.. I am not defending IPL I haven't followed it since season 3.. I watch matches here and there but don't follow it.. But I don't bash it like other Indians/Pakistanis.. How hard is to switch the channel??

Regarding quality of cricket buddy the world is changing, Tests are in decline for last many years T20s is in ascendency.. With the busy lifestyle of people and other forms of entertaining sports T20s and league cricket might well be the future of sport in next 10-15 years..

 

[Junaids]

It's a string of exhibition matches.. If you don't like don't watch.. I am not defending IPL I haven't followed it since season 3.. I watch matches here and there but don't follow it.. But I don't bash it like other Indians/Pakistanis.. How hard is to switch the channel??

Regarding quality of cricket buddy the world is changing, Tests are in decline for last many years T20s is in ascendency.. With the busy lifestyle of people and other forms of entertaining sports T20s and league cricket might well be the future of sport in next 10-15 years..

I don't know what you're talking about.

Here in Australia the average wage is $30 per hour. But as an employer I pay penalty rates to any employee who has to work after 5 pm or on a weekend. On a Saturday they get $45 per hour and on a Sunday they get $60 per hour.

And all my employees get a Rostered Day Off - an extra day off once per month in return for working 5 x 8 hour days per week when the working week is actually 38 hours, not 40.

This has the happy and intended effect of ensuring that most people are not trapped in a "busy lifestyle" as if we were a developing country. Most people work 830 am to 5 pm Monday to Friday. We have made the trade off of not having as much money as wealthy Americans by not working as hard as them.

And we all get at least 4 weeks paid vacation per year, and many of us get more - as a doctor I get 9 weeks paid time off per year.

So what would be the purpose of condensing all cricket into a 3 hour format? I go in person to at least 5 days of Test cricket per year and I watch as much cricket as I can. The only minor tweak that is required is moving Test cricket to a Day/Night format.

The Adelaide Day/Night Test ran from Friday to Sunday. I took the Friday off and watched the whole thing. What's the problem with that?

 

[Sidilicious]

I don't know what you're talking about.

Here in Australia the average wage is $30 per hour. But as an employer I pay penalty rates to any employee who has to work after 5 pm or on a weekend. On a Saturday they get $45 per hour and on a Sunday they get $60 per hour.

And all my employees get a Rostered Day Off - an extra day off once per month in return for working 5 x 8 hour days per week when the working week is actually 38 hours, not 40.

This has the happy and intended effect of ensuring that most people are not trapped in a "busy lifestyle" as if we were a developing country. Most people work 830 am to 5 pm Monday to Friday. We have made the trade off of not having as much money as wealthy Americans by not working as hard as them.

And we all get at least 4 weeks paid vacation per year, and many of us get more - as a doctor I get 9 weeks paid time off per year.

So what would be the purpose of condensing all cricket into a 3 hour format? I go in person to at least 5 days of Test cricket per year and I watch as much cricket as I can. The only minor tweak that is required is moving Test cricket to a Day/Night format.

The Adelaide Day/Night Test ran from Friday to Sunday. I took the Friday off and watched the whole thing. What's the problem with that?

and what is your point? You might like test cricket, but I may prefer T20 cricket. That doesn't make either of us wrong or right. If there are enough of you who are willing to spend money on test cricket, then test cricket will carry on. If there are enough of people like me, who want to watch only T20s, then T20s will carry on.

Sport, like most things in this world, is governed by economics. If there is a demand, there will be supply. Currently, there is enough demand to fulfil both your and my requirements. Things might change 1 to 2 decades down the line. In any case, the salaries earned by Test only cricketers vs T20s cricketers give you an idea where the demand lies.

And my argument is on a global level. Not what are the preferences of English, Aussies etc.

 

[street cricketer]

I don't know what you're talking about.

Here in Australia the average wage is $30 per hour. But as an employer I pay penalty rates to any employee who has to work after 5 pm or on a weekend. On a Saturday they get $45 per hour and on a Sunday they get $60 per hour.

And all my employees get a Rostered Day Off - an extra day off once per month in return for working 5 x 8 hour days per week when the working week is actually 38 hours, not 40.

This has the happy and intended effect of ensuring that most people are not trapped in a "busy lifestyle" as if we were a developing country. Most people work 830 am to 5 pm Monday to Friday. We have made the trade off of not having as much money as wealthy Americans by not working as hard as them.

And we all get at least 4 weeks paid vacation per year, and many of us get more - as a doctor I get 9 weeks paid time off per year.

So what would be the purpose of condensing all cricket into a 3 hour format? I go in person to at least 5 days of Test cricket per year and I watch as much cricket as I can. The only minor tweak that is required is moving Test cricket to a Day/Night format.

The Adelaide Day/Night Test ran from Friday to Sunday. I took the Friday off and watched the whole thing. What's the problem with that?

I'm very happy for you Junaids, but the IPL's target audience aren't Australians.

 

[Indian_Supporter]

and what is your point? You might like test cricket, but I may prefer T20 cricket. That doesn't make either of us wrong or right. If there are enough of you who are willing to spend money on test cricket, then test cricket will carry on. If there are enough of people like me, who want to watch only T20s, then T20s will carry on.

Sport, like most things in this world, is governed by economics. If there is a demand, there will be supply. Currently, there is enough demand to fulfil both your and my requirements. Things might change 1 to 2 decades down the line. In any case, the salaries earned by Test only cricketers vs T20s cricketers give you an idea where the demand lies.

And my argument is on a global level. Not what are the preferences of English, Aussies etc.

And the irony is he is posting on an IPL thread when there is a live test match going on. Shows who is how much of a test fan, lol.

 

[Junaids]

I'm very happy for you Junaids, but the IPL's target audience aren't Australians.

I was referring to [MENTION=141093]big_gamer007[/MENTION] and his assertion that busy lifestyles will leave only T20 surviving.

My point is that in Third World markets, possibly.

But in advanced economies our lifestyles allow us to consume sport in much larger volumes.

 

[Junaids]

And the irony is he is posting on an IPL thread when there is a live test match going on. Shows who is how much of a test fan, lol.

You really don't understand me, do you?

I have a mild passing interest in the bloodbath of a Test mismatch.

But I'm from Lancashire, and we have a Roses match in the County Championship against our eternal rivals away at Headingley.

And currently we have them 6-2 in the second over.

Lancashire v Yorkshire in the County Championship means much more than a Test match against a minnow like Sri Lanka.
[MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION] or [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] would understand! And our Yorkie friend whose name has slipped my dementing mind!

 

[Sidilicious]

I was referring to [MENTION=141093]big_gamer007[/MENTION] and his assertion that busy lifestyles will leave only T20 surviving.

My point is that in Third World markets, possibly.

But in advanced economies our lifestyles allow us to consume sport in much larger volumes.

But you cant predict the future. You can only use current trends and extrapolate it to see the impact on the long run. On a GLOBAL level (this means just not England and Aus, but also other asian countries and the caribbean) a T20 only players, earns a lot more than a test only player. That will give you an idea of the demand of the sport.

 

[MartyMsd]

There are only 3 million of them, and most of them work all the time

But in advanced economies our lifestyles allow us to consume sport in much larger volumes

Oh well!

 

[Junaids]

There are only 3 million of them, and most of them work all the time

But in advanced economies our lifestyles allow us to consume sport in much larger volumes

Oh well!

I don't consider the US to be an advanced economy. It's very much an economy based upon immigrants and an underclass working huge hours for hourly wages which would be illegal in England, Australia or New Zealand, not to mention getting less than half as much paid annual leave.

Targeting a sporting event at those low paid immigrants who work endless hours seems to me like a terrible idea.

 

[street cricketer]

I was referring to [MENTION=141093]big_gamer007[/MENTION] and his assertion that busy lifestyles will leave only T20 surviving.

My point is that in Third World markets, possibly.

But in advanced economies our lifestyles allow us to consume sport in much larger volumes.

I would not go as far as that. Consuming sport in much larger volumes is possible only in England and to some extent in Australia. Even there cricket has become a minority sport from being a national pastime. Keeping cricket from free to air television has made cricket largely a sport for geriatrics and privileged children in England. I don't know how many children from public schools play cricket in England.

And in countries like USA, Canada and other european countries, I don't think they would give a damn for 5 day cricket in their fast paced lifestyle. Everything is commercialized in the US and they would prefer entertainment packaged in a short duration rather than watching two teams go head to head for five days and emerging without a winner. I think it's a matter of time before England and Australia follow suit. And to be fair, Australia has already changed and the test audiences are dwindling except for the Ashes. They would much prefer the AFL and would watch the BBL in the off season.

 

[big_gamer007]

I don't know what you're talking about.

Here in Australia the average wage is $30 per hour. But as an employer I pay penalty rates to any employee who has to work after 5 pm or on a weekend. On a Saturday they get $45 per hour and on a Sunday they get $60 per hour.

And all my employees get a Rostered Day Off - an extra day off once per month in return for working 5 x 8 hour days per week when the working week is actually 38 hours, not 40.

This has the happy and intended effect of ensuring that most people are not trapped in a "busy lifestyle" as if we were a developing country. Most people work 830 am to 5 pm Monday to Friday. We have made the trade off of not having as much money as wealthy Americans by not working as hard as them.

And we all get at least 4 weeks paid vacation per year, and many of us get more - as a doctor I get 9 weeks paid time off per year.

So what would be the purpose of condensing all cricket into a 3 hour format? I go in person to at least 5 days of Test cricket per year and I watch as much cricket as I can. The only minor tweak that is required is moving Test cricket to a Day/Night format.

The Adelaide Day/Night Test ran from Friday to Sunday. I took the Friday off and watched the whole thing. What's the problem with that?

Are you even for real? The whole world knows about the decline going on in test viewership.. ICC is trying new things day and nights test championships to revive test matches.. And just coz you go to test matches you think they are not in decline? What sort of weird logic is this..

Tests are in decline of you do not believe that you are delusional.. Nowadays people have multiple forms of entertainment and most people do not want to watch a game which lasts for 5 days a bowler runs in 6 times in an over and a batsmen just leaves the ball all 6 times.. Sure some test matches can be exciting last day finishes and all but even those matches most people would not care to watch it for entire 5 days..

If the sport has to grow T20 is the way forward.. Whether you like it or not it's the truth..

 

[Junaids]

I would not go as far as that. Consuming sport in much larger volumes is possible only in England and to some extent in Australia. Even there cricket has become a minority sport from being a national pastime. Keeping cricket from free to air television has made cricket largely a sport for geriatrics and privileged children in England. I don't know how many children from public schools play cricket in England.

And in countries like USA, Canada and other european countries, I don't think they would give a damn for 5 day cricket in their fast paced lifestyle. Everything is commercialized in the US and they would prefer entertainment packaged in a short duration rather than watching two teams go head to head for five days and emerging without a winner. I think it's a matter of time before England and Australia follow suit. And to be fair, Australia has already changed and the test audiences are dwindling except for the Ashes. They would much prefer the AFL and would watch the BBL in the off season.

Firstly, I don't think Americans or Canadians will ever become cricket viewers.

Secondly, Day/Night Test viewing figures on TV and gate receipts completely demolished all non-Ashes records in Australia, but also dwarfed ODI ratings.

What we learned was that Test cricket is the format people want to watch in Australia, just after work. ODI survived for 35 years simply because it was the only evening cricket.

 

[big_gamer007]

I was referring to [MENTION=141093]big_gamer007[/MENTION] and his assertion that busy lifestyles will leave only T20 surviving.

My point is that in Third World markets, possibly.

But in advanced economies our lifestyles allow us to consume sport in much larger volumes.

Ugh you totally misunderstood my point.. I'm not saying test cricket will finish completely.. Sure people will watch test cricket the hardcore fans will surely..

But the younger generation in india at least is more excited about T20s.. I doubt many kids nowadays watch entire test matches.. Regarding third world country and cricket most money in cricket is in India.. If it continues like this then Whatever the Indian audience craves for in future cricket will follow that path, whether you accept it or not it's the harsh truth..

 

[MartyMsd]

I don't consider the US to be an advanced economy. It's very much an economy based upon immigrants and an underclass working huge hours for hourly wages which would be illegal in England, Australia or New Zealand, not to mention getting less than half as much paid annual leave.

Targeting a sporting event at those low paid immigrants who work endless hours seems to me like a terrible idea.

Glad you've said it. That's all everyone's trying to say, almost all your posts today were entirely based on your opinions formed by your own ideas/prejudices. Not based on any factual or verifiable evidence.

 

[Junaids]

Are you even for real? The whole world knows about the decline going on in test viewership.. ICC is trying new things day and nights test championships to revive test matches.. And just coz you go to test matches you think they are not in decline? What sort of weird logic is this..

Tests are in decline of you do not believe that you are delusional.. Nowadays people have multiple forms of entertainment and most people do not want to watch a game which lasts for 5 days a bowler runs in 6 times in an over and a batsmen just leaves the ball all 6 times.. Sure some test matches can be exciting last day finishes and all but even those matches most people would not care to watch it for entire 5 days..

If the sport has to grow T20 is the way forward.. Whether you like it or not it's the truth..

Except the Day Night Test broke every record. It turns out that people like low scoring Test cricket, they just want it to be played when they are not at work or at school.

 

[Junaids]

Glad you've said it. That's all everyone's trying to say, almost all your posts today were entirely based on your opinions formed by your own ideas/prejudices. Not based on any factual or verifiable evidence.

But it is a fact that Americans have a much lower minimum wage, people working multiple jobs and get less annual vacation time than people in other advanced countries. Do you dispute that?

And Major League Soccer has seen that those economic strictures which affect immigrants make it very hard for foreign sports to thrive in the USA.

 

[big_gamer007]

Except the Day Night Test broke every record. It turns out that people like low scoring Test cricket, they just want it to be played when they are not at work or at school.

it was a new idea so obviously the initial buzz created records.. In future the ratings will recline when people get used to it..

Secondly the ratings were high in Australia.. But unless anything related to cricket becomes successful in India it is not actually a success.. I'm not sure about current numbers but 7-8 years back there was a report saying 70% money in cricket is in India.. So yea like I said if anything has to be successful in cricket Indian audience needs to accept it coz the real money is there..

 

[Junaids]

Ugh you totally misunderstood my point.. I'm not saying test cricket will finish completely.. Sure people will watch test cricket the hardcore fans will surely..

But the younger generation in india at least is more excited about T20s.. I doubt many kids nowadays watch entire test matches.. Regarding third world country and cricket most money in cricket is in India.. If it continues like this then Whatever the Indian audience craves for in future cricket will follow that path, whether you accept it or not it's the harsh truth..

Actually I fully agree with you, my friend!

My only caveat is that I don't expect Indians and westerners to have the same habits and consumption patterns. I always get surprised when people argue EITHER that "westerners will switch to T20 too" or "Indians will move on up from T20 to Tests".

I think we're different and we are going to stay different.

 

[MartyMsd]

But it is a fact that Americans have a much lower minimum wage, people working multiple jobs and get less annual vacation time than people in other advanced countries. Do you dispute that?

And Major League Soccer has seen that those economic strictures which affect immigrants make it very hard for foreign sports to thrive in the USA.

Well now, I dispute several of your assertions, of course I do not disagree with the one 'rare' fact you cherry picked.

For example: I asked you to provide any evidence about Australian 'ipl' cricketers talking to their families and friends about how lame ipl is.

Or

more personally, how me and my fellow 3 million american-indians work hours on hours for a poor wages with little to no paid leave and do not deserve to watch an ipl match in America.

 

[big_gamer007]

And in countries like USA, Canada and other european countries, I don't think they would give a damn for 5 day cricket in their fast paced lifestyle. Everything is commercialized in the US and they would prefer entertainment packaged in a short duration rather than watching two teams go head to head for five days and emerging without a winner.

This is exactly what is happening in India as well.. People are starting to prefer faster forms of entertainment.. When I started watching premier league in 2000 I was the only kid in my class who used to watch it.. All the other kids watched cricket but now I see live screenings for premier league matches, finals having 1500+ people attending..

And now most of my friends don't even know anything about test series or that India lost 4-0 to England Australia etc.. More people like IPL than tests..

 

[street cricketer]

Firstly, I don't think Americans or Canadians will ever become cricket viewers.

Secondly, Day/Night Test viewing figures on TV and gate receipts completely demolished all non-Ashes records in Australia, but also dwarfed ODI ratings.

What we learned was that Test cricket is the format people want to watch in Australia, just after work. ODI survived for 35 years simply because it was the only evening cricket.

I never told cricket will make inroads into the USA and Canada. I mean, cricket is a minority sport even in countries like Australia and England where it is the national sport. Cricket has no hope in hell of tapping into the American market. Cricket is still viewed as a "boring" sport there. I just said all other first world countries like their sport packaged in short versions.

As far as Australia, it's good that the CA is trying to tackle the dwindling test numbers by introducing different versions in Test cricket to arrest the death of Test cricket there. However it's something still in experimental stages where even many Aussie players have expressed their concerns about playing the pink ball. Let's see how it goes but as it stands, the BBL is beating cricket attendances hands down in Australia. More women and children are involved in cricket and it is the only reason cricket is grabbing their audiences back. Lack of cricket on terrestrial tv hasn't helped either thanks to Murdoch. As I said, I see Test cricket being attended only by the geriatric population and the posh society if things don't change and the decline isn't arrested.