BCCI wants 'no terror attack' guarantee following Pakistan Cricket Board's 'visa assurance' demand

[Invincible Gujjar]

pathetic response from pathetic country. what anyone can expect.india go to hell.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I agree with you in principle, but the issue that PCB has no leg to stand on when it comes whining about politicizing sports.

They played politics when they blocked Pakistani players from playing in IPL 2009 which backfired big time, and they regularly played politics in the 80s and 90s when they were in a position of relative strength.

Now that we have become helpless losers and cannot do anything in return except make statements, there is no point in whining about politicization.

When you are on the receiving end and in the weaker position, It is always easy to take the moral high ground and argue that sports and politics should not be mixed.

That was 11 years ago! These incidents are barely a year old. By your theory we should blame Zimbabwe for politicizing cricket since they wore black arm-bands at the 2003 World Cup. Difference though still remains that Pakistan and Zimbabwe's cases were one-off incidents. India has done this repeatedly since last year.

 

[Mamoon]

That was 11 years ago! These incidents are barely a year old. By your theory we should blame Zimbabwe for politicizing cricket since they wore black arm-bands at the 2003 World Cup. Difference though still remains that Pakistan and Zimbabwe's cases were one-off incidents. India has done this repeatedly since last year.

Yes 11 years ago when PCB was still more relevant than they are today and BCCI had not become the all-powerful board on the back of IPL riches.

So when PCB were not helpless losers they didn’t mind playing politics. So what is the point of taking the moral high ground and crying now? As I said, it is very easy to do when you are on the receiving end.

PCB would have had credibility in their stance had they never mixed politics with sports, which they did regularly in the 80s and 90s and also in 2009. So it wasn’t a one-off incident like Zimbabwe’s. Where was this morality then?

If BCCI becomes a poor board in the future and loses its clout and then conveniently takes the moral high ground by claiming that politics should not be mixed with sports, will they have any credibility? Of course not.

 

[Moh@n]

Ummm, the BCCI is hosting an international tournament? If BCCI can't ensure visas for players playing a tournament then why would they even host it? Ridiculous twisting of the situation

So we should stop bidding for hosting rights because of the possibily of Pakistanis being denied visa due to unforseen circumstances?

How can BCCI ensure visas when they are not the body who issue it? And that too an year before a tournament?

PCB's expectation was a written commitment. Why would BCCI make themselves liable to be sued?

Try to make sense in an argument at the very least.

 

[Mamoon]

That was 11 years ago! These incidents are barely a year old. By your theory we should blame Zimbabwe for politicizing cricket since they wore black arm-bands at the 2003 World Cup. Difference though still remains that Pakistan and Zimbabwe's cases were one-off incidents. India has done this repeatedly since last year.

And what is the formula? 11 years is in the past so should not be remembered. So how many years need to pass before it is forgotten?

1, 2, 3, 10?

If BCCI stops politicizing sports today, how many years will it take before we forget about their past?

 

[Moh@n]

PCB would have had credibility in their stance had they never mixed politics with sports, which they did regularly in the 80s and 90s and also in 2009. So it wasn’t a one-off incident like Zimbabwe’s. Where was this morality then?

Ever since I started watching cricket, PCB's Patron in Chief has been Pakistan's Prime Minister. Pakistanis should be the last people to whine about politics being mixed with sports.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

So we should stop bidding for hosting rights because of the possibily of Pakistanis being denied visa due to unforseen circumstances?

Well, yeah. Or rather, India is free to bid for hosting rights, but ICC has a responsibility to not grant those hosting rights unless it can guarantee that all member nations can play and that the World Cup won’t be politicized.

In other words, the grievance is with the ICC not BCCI. And PCB knows this very well, which is why WK is playing this entire situation very smartly.

To put it bluntly, by WK asking for a commitment he knows BCCI won’t give, he is telling the ICC in advance that you have made a decision to grant hosting rights to India at the potential risk of Pakistan being excluded.

He is making them aware of the issue — most likely scenario is that BCCI doesn’t give a written guarantee, this fuss dies down, and Indian government does indeed issue visas. Pakistan plays the world cups in 2021 and 2023 without a hitch. All is well.

However, in the 5% scenario that BJP or someone interferes, PCB have the bases covered with ICC.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Yes 11 years ago when PCB was still more relevant than they are today and BCCI had not become the all-powerful board on the back of IPL riches.

So when PCB were not helpless losers they didn’t mind playing politics. So what is the point of taking the moral high ground and crying now? As I said, it is very easy to do when you are on the receiving end.

PCB would have had credibility in their stance had they never mixed politics with sports, which they did regularly in the 80s and 90s and also in 2009. So it wasn’t a one-off incident like Zimbabwe’s. Where was this morality then?

If BCCI becomes a poor board in the future and loses its clout and then conveniently takes the moral high ground by claiming that politics should not be mixed with sports, will they have any credibility? Of course not.

There is no comparison between that and this. For one thing Pakistan never used the stage to make political statements like the Army caps thing. Nor did Pakistan ever ask for a team to be banned. IPL is not even international cricket to begin with. Its a pointless T20 league. It's absolutely ludicrous to compare that case to international cricket.

 

[The cricket enthusiast]

any pathetic soul defending this is not his views is just the hate . Period.

 

[viveks]

So we should stop bidding for hosting rights because of the possibily of Pakistanis being denied visa due to unforseen circumstances?

How can BCCI ensure visas when they are not the body who issue it? And that too an year before a tournament?

PCB's expectation was a written commitment. Why would BCCI make themselves liable to be sued?

Try to make sense in an argument at the very least.

Yes they should mate. Doesn't BCCI have approval from the government for hosting an international tournament? Or do they just do it all illegally? And if they have approval to host an international tournament then why can't they get approval for Pakistanis to come to India? And your stupid "unforeseen circumstances" comment is more nonsense.

 

[Rajdeep]

I am still awaiting an answer on the below -

If Pak can play T20 WC in India in 2016 (4 months after Pathankot attacks) under same govt regime without any issues, what has changed since then that they want written assurance from ICC for 2021 and 2023?

Anyone?

 

[Rana]

I am still awaiting an answer on the below -

If Pak can play T20 WC in India in 2016 (4 months after Pathankot attacks) under same govt regime without any issues, what has changed since then that they want written assurance from ICC for 2021 and 2023?

Anyone?

When was the last time Pakistan were in India? What happened with the IOC with regards to events in India?

 

[Rajdeep]

When was the last time Pakistan were in India? What happened with the IOC with regards to events in India?

Ummm...Last time Pakistan was in India was when last time an ICC event was played in India?

This is exactly my point that no one seems to answering. You want assurance for something if something immoral happened to you in the past. But Pak team faced no issues at all in 2016. So what has changed since ?

Ind-Pak always had border skirmishes. Pathankot happened in Jan 2016 and anti Pakistan sentiments were all time high back then. JNU sloganeering, rising intolerance, Amir Khan being asked to leave the country, Pak actors being banned all going on at that time. Still Pak cricket team faced no issue. Infact their demand being met and venue for Indo-Pak game got shifted from Dharmasala to Eden Gardens. Mamta Banerjee/CAB went out of their way to felicitate ex Pakistani/Indian cricketers which resulted in 18 over game. Remember?

So what changed since then and why Wasim Khan want written assurance now?

 

[Mamoon]

There is no comparison between that and this. For one thing Pakistan never used the stage to make political statements like the Army caps thing. Nor did Pakistan ever ask for a team to be banned. IPL is not even international cricket to begin with. Its a pointless T20 league. It's absolutely ludicrous to compare that case to international cricket.

Well there is no comparison for you because you want to justify PCB politicking in the past when it suited them.

What difference does it make if IPL is a league? The bottom-line is that PCB blocked it’s players from participating in IPL 2009 because of political reasons.

BCCI and IPL franchises had nothing to do with the Indian government accusing ISI of masterminding Mumbai attacks.

PCB has also refused to

And what is wrong with paying tribute to the Indian army by wearing army caps? India did not do it against Pakistan. It was against Australia.

That is no different to Pakistani players doing salutes and push-ups in England in 2016 as tribute to the Pakistani army who had a training camp with the players prior to that tour.

PCB had no problem politicking in the 80s and 90s and as recently as 2009 because it suited them. Now that it doesn’t, we have adopted a fake moral high ground and want BCCI to not miss politics with sports.

PCB is getting exactly what it deserves. It does not have an ounce of credibility and would probably act a lot worse than BCCI if it had the same power and clout.

 

[zamana]

There is no need of shooting the messenger. BCCI’s response is reasonable and I will explain why.

The Indian government stance, whether you agree with it or not, is that Pakistan funds militants and insurgencies in J&K and that is the reason why they do not what bilateral cricket between the two countries.

So BCCI cannot promise Pakistan that the players would be issued visas if Pakistan cannot promise that they would not sponsor attacks in J&K.

PCB once again made a statement without thinking it through.

There is hostility between the two Governments based on disputes that require mediation and resolution both bilaterally and Internationally. The dispute is recognized by the UN and Governments around the world. Unless both Governments recognize this and address it, true peace is unlikely. Both Nations need to understand that resolution of conflict and peaceful coexistence is the only viable way forward. They should focus on education, alleviation of poverty, development of the social sector, job development and propagation of peace. There is a large population across both sides that wish to pursue these ideals. They have to politically influence their leaders at the polls to choose this path and eschew confrontation. The statement from the BCCI is puerile and inconsequential if they wish to host international events!

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Well there is no comparison for you because you want to justify PCB politicking in the past when it suited them.

What difference does it make if IPL is a league? The bottom-line is that PCB blocked it’s players from participating in IPL 2009 because of political reasons.

BCCI and IPL franchises had nothing to do with the Indian government accusing ISI of masterminding Mumbai attacks.

PCB has also refused to

And what is wrong with paying tribute to the Indian army by wearing army caps? India did not do it against Pakistan. It was against Australia.

That is no different to Pakistani players doing salutes and push-ups in England in 2016 as tribute to the Pakistani army who had a training camp with the players prior to that tour.

PCB had no problem politicking in the 80s and 90s and as recently as 2009 because it suited them. Now that it doesn’t, we have adopted a fake moral high ground and want BCCI to not miss politics with sports.

PCB is getting exactly what it deserves. It does not have an ounce of credibility and would probably act a lot worse than BCCI if it had the same power and clout.

Your response to everything is BCCI did that but we did something just as bad 11-40 years ago.

This is a really dishonest way of whitewashing BCCI's shameful actions. If something is wrong it should be condemned regardless of who did it. If PCB did use politics during the 80s, 90s and I am not aware if they did or didn't then obviously they shouldn't have. And no, there is absolutely no comparison between not sending your players to a foreign league and asking ICC to ban a full-member nation from the World Cup. There simply isn't.

The army caps thing was criticized by Indians just as much as it was by anyone else so for you to defend it goes against the grain of rationality. I know you have very deep biases but please don't defend everything that the BCCI does just because you like Indian cricket. More than anything it hurts your credibility as poster.

 

[Mamoon]

Your response to everything is BCCI did that but we did something just as bad 11-40 years ago.

This is a really dishonest way of whitewashing BCCI's shameful actions. If something is wrong it should be condemned regardless of who did it. If PCB did use politics during the 80s, 90s and I am not aware if they did or didn't then obviously they shouldn't have. And no, there is absolutely no comparison between not sending your players to a foreign league and asking ICC to ban a full-member nation from the World Cup. There simply isn't.

The army caps thing was criticized by Indians just as much as it was by anyone else so for you to defend it goes against the grain of rationality. I know you have very deep biases but please don't defend everything that the BCCI does just because you like Indian cricket. More than anything it hurts your credibility as poster.

I am not defending BCCI, my point is that PCB has no credibility when it comes to whining about BCCI mixing politics and sport.

If PCB had a clean past, I would not be criticizing them. In fact, I would be supporting the assertion that sports and politics should not be mixed.

Any person who criticized the army caps but had no issues with the Pakistani salutes in England has double-standards.

 

[Rohan]

pathetic response from pathetic country. what anyone can expect.india go to hell.

Let’s not ask for anything from BCCI or India to begin with.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I am not defending BCCI, my point is that PCB has no credibility when it comes to whining about BCCI mixing politics and sport.

If PCB had a clean past, I would not be criticizing them. In fact, I would be supporting the assertion that sports and politics should not be mixed.

Any person who criticized the army caps but had no issues with the Pakistani salutes in England has double-standards.

Why do you keep bringing PCB into this? It was BCCI who made this outrageous political statement not PCB. PCB may have been ignorant to ask ICC for such a thing but that is no way to respond. Shows a complete lack of professionalism. And you are defending them because of PCB's history? If we get into that argument you could blame every board in the world for one reason or another because practically none of them has a clean past. The statement was made in the present so stick to the present.

 

[Mamoon]

Why do you keep bringing PCB into this? It was BCCI who made this outrageous political statement not PCB. PCB may have been ignorant to ask ICC for such a thing but that is no way to respond. Shows a complete lack of professionalism. And you are defending them because of PCB's history? If we get into that argument you could blame every board in the world for one reason or another because practically none of them has a clean past. The statement was made in the present so stick to the present.

Because PCB and some Pakistani fans have occupied the moral high ground and give lectures on why you should not mix politics and sports. They might have forgotten their past but others remember.

 

[zain41]

Comparing Pakistan not sending players to ipl and the possibility of India denying pakistani visas is like comparing apples and oranges.. one is an issue between a country and a domestic league of another country while the other is denying access to a global event.

Pakistan has every right to ask for confirmation of visas being issued firstly because in the last edition BCCI mulled asking ICC to ban Pakistan from wc.. also the incident where Pakistani women cricket team couldn’t get visas to play basically qualifiers for a wc and denial of visas in other sports.

The onus is on BCCI to ensure every signatory gets to play if they are to ask for hosting rights.

 

[Rana]

Comparing Pakistan not sending players to ipl and the possibility of India denying pakistani visas is like comparing apples and oranges.. one is an issue between a country and a domestic league of another country while the other is denying access to a global event.

Pakistan has every right to ask for confirmation of visas being issued firstly because in the last edition BCCI mulled asking ICC to ban Pakistan from wc.. also the incident where Pakistani women cricket team couldn’t get visas to play basically qualifiers for a wc and denial of visas in other sports.

The onus is on BCCI to ensure every signatory gets to play if they are to ask for hosting rights.

Agreed. BCCI’s response suggests that they are not looking to issue Pakistan a visa in their next two global events.

 

[zain41]

I am still awaiting an answer on the below -

If Pak can play T20 WC in India in 2016 (4 months after Pathankot attacks) under same govt regime without any issues, what has changed since then that they want written assurance from ICC for 2021 and 2023?

Anyone?

Are you that naive.. things have gotten way worse since 2016.. if bcci can consider asking icc to ban pak from wc being held in another country and like I mentioned earlier the women’s cricket team saga pak has every right to be concerned...

You never know in modi’s head not letting Pakistan play World Cup will be a huge political victory.. anything is possible in modis india

 

[zain41]

i can argue if the roles were reversed ..some posters here would be maligning PCB for not assuring indian participation in a wc in pak..calling it highly unprofessional etc..sadly some posters here have lost credibility

 

[Thunderbolt14]

I am still awaiting an answer on the below -

If Pak can play T20 WC in India in 2016 (4 months after Pathankot attacks) under same govt regime without any issues, what has changed since then that they want written assurance from ICC for 2021 and 2023?

Anyone?

What has changed are increased tensions between India-Pakistan, and the denial of visas in other sports such as shooting.

 

[U$ofA]

BCCI's actual statement seems to be lost in this whole discussion. Did Ganguly make the statement or is it some letter sent to ICC, PCB?

 

[Mujtaba2900]

Because PCB and some Pakistani fans have occupied the moral high ground and give lectures on why you should not mix politics and sports. They might have forgotten their past but others remember.

You don't even know what u are talking about .Even the most naive person will know how pathankot and Peshawar School attack are related .or why Kashmir and Balochistan little rebellion groups are related or why Pakistan controls majority Talibans in afg and why India is trying to get hold of afg for nearly 2 decades now.
Who is bcci or pcb in all of this ?
Should we ask Bcci that we don't want Raw agents in Balochistan?
Ofc Pakistan plays dirty ,they are playing proxy wars Since 1980 and why won't they They have a disadvantage of Numbers against India from the beginning and they Clearly had to neutralize that.
Why are we talking about Countries military Policies here on cricket forum?
There's no connection whatsoever and u are looking pathetic by thinking they are related and so is bcci.

 

[shah_1]

So we should stop bidding for hosting rights because of the possibily of Pakistanis being denied visa due to unforseen circumstances?

How can BCCI ensure visas when they are not the body who issue it? And that too an year before a tournament?

PCB's expectation was a written commitment. Why would BCCI make themselves liable to be sued?

Try to make sense in an argument at the very least.

International Olympic Committee threatens India ‘isolation’ after visa denial to Pakistani athletes

The IOC demanded "clear written guarantees... from the Indian government to ensure the entry of all participants" after Pakistan said two shooters and a coach were denied visas to compete at a World Cup shooting event in New Delhi.
The IOC also suspended "all discussions with the Indian national Olympic committee and government regarding the potential applications for hosting future sports and Olympic-related events in India".

It recommended that individual sports federations "neither award to nor hold sports events in India" until the guarantees areare given

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1916285/3-india-fears-olympic-isolation-pakistan-visa-row?amp=1

Not related to cricket, only sharing

 

[Ryw]

So after todays incident in Pakistan Stock exchange PCB should repeat
bcci 's question
back to BCCI

 

[cricketjoshila]

The funny thing is, I wouldn’t expect these BCCI officials to show this daleri face to face with PCB officials. You can practically do or say anything at the comfort of your home

They can and may do it in face of pcb officials. PCB can do little to the bcci in ICC or anywhere else.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Bcci cannot give such an assurance because bcci doesn't issue visas.

Pakistan team has got visas for every icc tournament held in India, PCB may be trying to be too cheeky knowing they may get Manohar's support in this regard and try to take away the hosting rights. Since Manohar's initial plan to take away the hosting plans failed as members voted against it and Bcci was given an extension.

Tommorow when BCCI retaliates in some way, i hope posters here dont whine about it.

 

[MenInG]

Bcci cannot give such an assurance because bcci doesn't issue visas.

Pakistan team has got visas for every icc tournament held in India, PCB may be trying to be too cheeky knowing they may get Manohar's support in this regard and try to take away the hosting rights. Since Manohar's initial plan to take away the hosting plans failed as members voted against it and Bcci was given an extension.

Tommorow when BCCI retaliates in some way, i hope posters here dont whine about it.

Then BCCI should say that exactly and muzzle their people from saying stupid things about terror etc

 

[Rana]

They can and may do it in face of pcb officials. PCB can do little to the bcci in ICC or anywhere else.

No they can’t and will not.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

They can and may do it in face of pcb officials. PCB can do little to the bcci in ICC or anywhere else.

Nobody is interested in that bro. Let's fight them on the field. Let's arrange a series when things become normal.

 

[cricketjoshila]

No they can’t and will not.

They have in the past and they will again. There is nothing PCB can do to BCCI. Nothing.

 

[Rana]

They have in the past and they will again. There is nothing PCB can do to BCCI. Nothing.

They have NEVER shown this kind of bravery with PCB officials present in the same room. Maybe they have In Bollywood movies.

 

[cricketjoshila]

They have NEVER shown this kind of bravery with PCB officials present in the same room. Maybe they have In Bollywood movies.

Oh they have. Esp when Srini was Bcci president. Others would ignore pcb as pcb was largely inconsequential once bcci took power in icc. But Srinivasan made it sure he rubbed it in. Not that i agree with it, but he did it.

 

[Monsee]

any pathetic soul defending this is not his views is just the hate . Period.

As much as I respect and appreciate your opinion, from looking at responses in this thread, there are tons of those from your fellow countrymen....I suppose they are the same folks who try to lecture people in the West that there is nothing wrong with what India is doing in Kashmir! Also, that all Muslims and other minorities are perfectly safe in India

 

[cricketjoshila]

Are you drawing up fantasies like Modi does regarding the LAC?

Ask past PCB presidents how bcci was disdainful during the 2008 to 2013 era.

Situation improved under Shehryar Khan as he was respected among Bcci circles.

PCB has no power to do anything to BCCI, so your fantasies that Bcci will not dare is far fetched.

Regarding Modi, well Chinese are still afraid to reveal their casualties.

 

[cricketjoshila]

And we want assurance this time. We will likely get that too

You wont get jack. Once Manohar is out of ICC, PCB will have little support left.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

You wont get jack. Once Manohar is out of ICC, PCB will have little support left.

Oh they absolutely get what we need. The problem with those in power is the delusion that things will always stay the same.

They won't. But it's cool though. I'm sure you'll be able to reminisce about the good old days in a few years time.

Also, hilarious to mention China being 'afraid of revealing casualties' when they don't really reveal much ever. I doubt they're afraid of a leader whose initial response to a pandemic was using the power of countrywide singing, clapping and candle waving.

Maybe he thought his entire population was at a boyband concert.

 

[Mujtaba2900]

Oh they absolutely get what we need. The problem with those in power is the delusion that things will always stay the same.

They won't. But it's cool though. I'm sure you'll be able to reminisce about the good old days in a few years time.

Also, hilarious to mention China being 'afraid of revealing casualties' when they don't really reveal much ever. I doubt they're afraid of a leader whose initial response to a pandemic was using the power of countrywide singing, clapping and candle waving.

Maybe he thought his entire population was at a boyband concert.

seriously u replied just before i was going to say the same thing , china never really reveals anything , its always indian media that like to exaggerate numbers like they did in balakot by killing 10 trees .like really who was counting Chinese military casualties rofl, and they are giving u really tough times so much so that u have to boycott their products to fight instead of fighting on the conventional level isn't it so humiliating enough and u guys still have atrocity to have discussion on lac

 

[Monsee]

Every time I read posts from this Indian poster (see couple of posts above), it is as if BCCI/Modi have employed this Rabid Cyborg who likes to go debate on chat boards and gets really upset when someone even minutely suggests that the other party (PCB/Chinese etc.) had an upper hand on them...no other qualities lol

I can just imagine it being end of this world while this cyborg is still trying to win the key board wars

 

[U$ofA]

I am still not clear. Did BCCI make the request to ICC or PCB?

 

[Rana]

I am still not clear. Did BCCI make the request to ICC or PCB?

They made it to the ICC

 

[zarak]

You don't even know what u are talking about .Even the most naive person will know how pathankot and Peshawar School attack are related .or why Kashmir and Balochistan little rebellion groups are related or why Pakistan controls majority Talibans in afg and why India is trying to get hold of afg for nearly 2 decades now.
Who is bcci or pcb in all of this ?
Should we ask Bcci that we don't want Raw agents in Balochistan?
Ofc Pakistan plays dirty ,they are playing proxy wars Since 1980 and why won't they They have a disadvantage of Numbers against India from the beginning and they Clearly had to neutralize that.
Why are we talking about Countries military Policies here on cricket forum?
There's no connection whatsoever and u are looking pathetic by thinking they are related and so is bcci.

Well said brother. There are no good guys or bad guys. It varies depending on which side your bias is on and who controls mainstream narratives. Cricket and politics should not be mixed keeping in mind that everyone is playing dirty